Murdering God: Of Shotguns, American Capitalism, and Moral Expediency »
Posted By jovial 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsExperiencing decreasing levels of the comfort that ensures our loyalty to the criminal enterprise of American Capitalism, we "average" US Americans comprising the poor, working class, and rapidly shrinking middle class still revel in our relatively meaningless social freedoms.
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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Before you read the accompanying story, I should warn you that the language is graphic. The message is one that gnaws at the inside of my being, every time I look at the news headlines. What is the definition of morality, and how does it it fit into the accounts of God and religion in America under capitalist imperialism?
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Well jovial, I think what we are seeing is simply what happens in every military empire. The methods used against foreigners are eventually applied to the home population.
Given that foreigners have been experiencing our military imperialism for over a century, the rot is now very deeply rooted and a serious collapse of America may be required to reverse it.
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berkeley1 year, 5 months ago
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mcgrievysr1 year, 5 months ago
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Wow! Powerful stuff. I agree on all counts just as berkeley does. I'm trying to have hope, but I'm afraid that we're in too far. We have blood on our hands, and while we espouse religious platitudes, we've lost our moral compass. Great submission.
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DarkWizard1 year, 5 months ago
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Jovial,
Thank you for the invite and the article is very powerful in its description of our current status.
By allowing governments to be controlled by big business, our elected officials have sold America down the river. This is because big business lives by the capitalistic principle of bottom-line profits. Bottom-line profits have no soul and no conscious. God is truly dead when business and government exist for its own purpose and not for the good of humanity; as it does now.
Evil exists but is hard to identify because we have become willing participants in our own destruction and turn a blind eye away in denial.
Tomorrow will come and we will easily forget the reasons we are in such straits. We have met the enemy and it is us.
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Robocat1 year, 5 months ago
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Is this the same God that said "Thou shalt not kill", but later said to kill those who work on the Sabbath and to kill disobedient children? (just to name a few)
With the needle on God's moral compass spinning we simply chose whichever direction we want to follow. We didn't kill God.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Indeed not, there is no God, only many gods. thousands of them, imaginary floating invisible men, some with many arms or sexual organs, all the product of tribalist story tellers. Thousands of gods invented just in the last hundred years, including my favorite, the god of sanctified pedophilia and pologimy, Mormonism, and the god of Science Fiction, Scientology.
there is only two gods which have over a billion farting breathing sneezing sighing humans groveling for their attention in hopes of obtaining a seat on the afterlife cloud, the baby jesus and mohammad. But gods chosen strand of DNA is jewish, and behold the zionists, were citizenship is based on DNA.
This current Iraq war is about DNA. Christians love the jewish DNA, Muslims want to eliminate it.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Home truths within a tirade.
But perhaps a little too facile. The enemy is most always within. Which means that for most people, certain kinds of consciousness will be denied for as long as possible, if their recognition is likely to cause anxiety or pain.
But good to be reminded of the true state of the union. Always good.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 5 months ago
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One should also remember that Thomas Jefferson felt that the government would only last a few generations before becoming corrupted from "banking institutions" and "monied corporations", when "the blood of patriots" would need once again to be shed to throw off the bondage of tyranny. Smart man. At the time there was no standing army, so no military-industry-government collusion was even a constitutional reality. War is was and always will be a racket.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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There is no evidence for any of the thousands of gods humans have invented.
There is ample evidence for the power controlled by the magicians conjuring up promices of an afterlife, sold to billions of people, both muslim and christian brainwashed gullible IDIOTS, incapable of rationality.
I got news for the 13 year old that wrote this whining article, the new billionaire globalist is NOT american. He is Chinese, and more ruthless and ambitious and unfettered by christian dogma or social concious.
The new super class of the richest most powerful agenda setting jet owning war starting elite are not bound by borders, like those defining the united states. They live in hotels in Dubai or Switzerland or Hong Kong, and they dont give a fart who or how they make their money, or who they have to enslave or kill to do it. The Saudi royal family has a private 100,000 man army to protect them from the regular Saudi Army. Trained and weaponed by 'merica.
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memestryker1 year, 5 months ago
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Did you see the special on Discovery about the ancient temples (of all kinds), especially in Athens, where multiple religions were practiced, and various feats of "magic" were conducted by religious leaders?
People were so uneducated that they could use basic chemical reactions and early mechanisms that relied on simple machines, heat, cold, wind, etc. to wow the masses!
Not much different today for many religions. And there are plenty of people who are easily led to commit heinous atrocities on behalf of their leaders.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Try this Endo, try praying for a miricle or something mundane to a god, then try praying for a miricale or something mundane to a bottle of coca-cola. Pray the same amount of time, and compare the results.
I'll tell you what, put a rock on your desk and pray for it to move, both ways, get back to me if it moves, I'll convert, either to god or to coca-cola. My faith is strong but I need proof.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 5 months ago
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The "argument" goes back at least to Plato.
I think Newton's argument for gravity was a decent one, and that is older than the 60's! Most of the premises for any religion predate the 60's don't they? Endo, your argument here is weak and unsupported. You assume in your previous comments that everyone accepts the Paulist account of resurrection.
Frankly that is not a fact. It's not even a mythology embraced by much of the world.
(see the link)
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 5 months ago
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The dyslexic believes dog created the universe.
No god is a man and no man is a god.
There is good and evil (god and devil = symbols), and it never ceases to amaze me how those who shout the loudest about their take on cosmic matters never fail to choose poorly between these 2 parameters. Religion is used to whip up support for the racket of the day by leaders of nations and movements, you can pretty much get people to defy their own logic, and best interest by convincing them dog is on "their" side. Of course dog, if indeed dog is an entity, and not the collective conscientiousness and/ or unconsciousness (wish hard enough and poof it's so), be on the side of any destruction, taking of life, harm, or enslavement? Is dog evil? perspiring minds want to know.
(Woody Allen once said of dog "If there is a god,he's not an evil god, just an underachiever".
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 5 months ago
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So, cutting through the histrionics, the author thinks that America is in moral decline because we've "murdered God"? Because America murdered God, we are now making immoral decisions as a society? Is that how everyone else is interpreting this essay?
That's the message I'm taking away. Curious as to other people's thoughts...
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 5 months ago
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I hear what you're saying, sumptuousdigs, jovial, and rfe. I didn't communicate well enough what I meant. If you look further back in our history, you could easily point to immoral behavior at the society level (slavery, for example). However, there was far less secular and "religious in name only" folks in those earlier times. Clearly, immoral behavior has and does happen regardless of religion (some would argue, because of religion...).
My point is that the "modern era" saw the rise of secular humanism and the "post-modern era" is seeing that movement gaining strength. It is that period that the author seems to be addressing. Referring to Nietschke, etc., seems to put the focus on atheism and existentialism and the idea that morality itself is malleable and ultimately meaningless.
Which came first, chicken or egg? Immorality killed God or disbelief in God caused immorality? Don't know.
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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The link to immorality is almost always returns to economics and the comforts we receive from it. Slavery is bad, it almost certainly had to be known by those who practiced it, but the fruits gained by doing it allowed them to ignore the callousness of it. When one deems their own comfort or good over God, then in essence like you said God becomes malleable. A perfect example of this is war. According to most Religions war is bad, but humans continue to have wars even in populations where the majority of the people consider themselves to be religious. It's not exactly secularism or existentialism that drives this in my opinion. Religion or secularism can be enslaved by capitalism. Capitalism can set it's own morality. Morality can affect Religion and secularism and round and round we go.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Oh really? It wasn't the earlier, "religious" America you claim that killed off the indigenous population? It wasn't the earlier "religious" America that ran witchcraft trials? It wasn't the earlier "religious" America that has been running a military empire since the 1840s?
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 5 months ago
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The premise that capitalism is a criminal enterprise is a scary take on our system of free enterprise and capital investment. True, it often brings out the worst in people. It is inherently greedy, but then almost all of you and I have a certain degree of greed because we are all human. Greed is why con men are successful in their scams on ordinary people. What would you replace capitalism with? Where do I go to see honest business and government that is successful? Maybe Iceland or Norway? God is to me irrelevant as I have my own beliefs and do respect others beliefs of a higher being. What is relevant to me is the moral decline I've seen in my 70 years. That is something you learn from your parents and upbringing at a young age.
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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Not talking about replacing capitalism, but maybe putting the proper checks and balances on it. That's where it becomes sticky. Trying to determine what checks and balances preserve the morality of the system and preserve the profitability of it. What has happened in America is we are being told "hands off", corporations and businesses will regulate themselves. What really happens is greed overtakes them the corporation fails and the people get screwed. The Ceo's and other heads of the company just move to another company and do it all over again. BTW, capitalism isn't criminal. It bends and distorts morality. You may consider it criminal, but for most legitimate businesses it sometimes is done within the law.
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