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Posted By STONERS 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsThe world's top Nazi-hunter said Thursday he's made progress in finding 94-year-old "Doctor Death," a former concentration camp physician accused of torturing Jewish prisoners as they died and who may have been living for decades in Argentina or Chile.
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STONERS1 year, 5 months ago
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"Efraim Zuroff, head of the Israeli branch of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, told a news conference that his mission to the southern reaches of the Americas led him to at least four people who claim to have seen Aribert Heim in the past 45 days."
"We're better off than before we came," Zuroff said. "That doesn't guarantee Heim's capture, but I'm hopeful."
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Actually there ae much younger war criminals that the world should also be arresting.
Israel general 'avoids UK arrest'
The former head of Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip has told how he dodged arrest on war crimes charges after receiving a tip-off at Heathrow....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4237620.stm
Peoples court condemns Israel for war crimes in Lebanon
A four-member jury of distinguished legal officials, after hearing and considering two days of intense, moving and precise testimony at the International Associations Center in Brussels, Belgium, on Feb. 24 found the Israeli state guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide in its 2006 war on Lebanon....
http://www.iacenter.org/palestine/leb-tribunal-...
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chevydog1 year, 5 months ago
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Interesting. I couldn't begin to excuse what the guy is accused of doing. Nor could I not excuse the victims' families about wanting revenge.
But philosphically, one sometimes gets to wonder "When is enough enough?" Yeah, the US legal system has no statute of limitations on murder. That's what this was. But we're coming perilously close to effectively saying that other things have no statute of limitations. As one literary character observed "The law requires justice, but most people are only interested in revenge." What if the two aren't always the same thing?
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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"Only took five to bring up Bush and Cheney....I'm a little disappointing."
You're always disappointing.
But you should be disappointed that in an article about genocide and mass murder it takes more than 5 messages before the two biggest mass murderers of this decade, certainly, are mentioned.
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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Yes call me out on the typo, I deserve it, that's a bad one lol.
But seriously the two biggest mass murderers of this decade? Get a grip on reality my friend.
http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/639106
Welcome to Darfur
The difference is we fight against armed terrorists/militias, they murder and rape helpless women and children.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Well cloud, you sure are good are swallowing pentagon propaganda by the bucketful. Here is what a Republican member of the Reagan administration has to say about your assertion.
Only Little War Criminals Get Punished
Do No Evil â;; Why al-Bashir? Bush and Blair's crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf, at least in the number of deaths and displaced persons, the terrible situation in Darfur. But of course the Great Moral West does not commit war crimes. War crimes are charges fobbed off on people demonized by the Western media.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/07/17/...
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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So you're saying the pentagon is putting out propaganda about Darfur? That would make them look bad for not doing something about it wouldn't it? Not to mention the million or so displaced in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the thousands dead were the result of us, but more so the result of daily suicide bombings. If you think we've killed more civilians than those bombings than you're delusional.
No but I guess we're the same as Darfur. Because we're raping and killing based on ethnicity. And we don't want any of those pesky Muslims, especially the millions living here, to survive.
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MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago
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I wonder about this, too... I was horrified, as a child, when I watched the Nuremburg trials (alone) and my dearest friend is Jewish, but this sounds more like an obsession, than a sincere quest for justice. Justice is not revenge! No one has the right to seek revenge and if they think that they do, they're only going to hurt themselves. It takes one hell of a man, to "turn the other cheek." Anyone, even a scumbag wants to "get back" at someone. But, but, but, look how bad they were? Doesn't mean squat! Unless someone is willing to "turn the other cheek," this kind of stuff goes on and on and on... Why do you think that the Middle East has so many problems? If you want to whitewash revenge and call it justice, then you've institutionalized this sort of "eye-for-an-eye" mentality. I have no use for this kind of "justice." It does not bring peace, nor happiness.
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Dicax_Maximus1 year, 5 months ago
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MS - Simple answer. Shoot the POS, send a message to other POS's (your conduct will result in death). Won't work for the real nutters, but should sufffice for those with a few brain cells....
As for your Middle East analogy, just won't wash as none of the country's there seem to have the faintest grasp on humanity & it's responsibilities......
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MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago
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Dr. Death's crimes represent such an extreme case of cruelty, that perhaps such a very protracted search, is warranted. I'm not sure whether it will deter others, because I think that in his twisted mind, he may have thought what he was doing, was OK. I realize that sounds bizzare, but people have a strange way of rationalizing and justifying their own actions. I'd imagine that he wasn't angry, but instead, monsterously cold. I have emotional problems, already, and this stuff just makes me cry, "space out" and then, get very quiet and depressed. So hard to go out and look at the beautiful earth and be happy, when you know that these things have happened. It's more than a person's mind can bear.
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Justice4All1 year, 5 months ago
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Sometimes I think people forgive and forget too easily. We need a longer memory about some things. Mass murder and genocide to name a few. But it works both ways. The Palestinians still remember Palestine and will not forget.
Take a trip to the US south. They still talk about the civil war. Wont even call it the civil war, it's the war of northern aggression or the "second revoulationary war".
I hope they catch Dr. Death. And if not at least he will know why he was pursued his entire life and that people did not forget. What I want to know is why he was free until 1962?
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Well Dicax, are you calling for the asassination of Bush and Blair? Or is your "revenge" selective and excludes your own war criminals?
Only Little War Criminals Get Punished
Do No Evil â;; Why al-Bashir? Bush and Blair's crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf, at least in the number of deaths and displaced persons, the terrible situation in Darfur. But of course the Great Moral West does not commit war crimes. War crimes are charges fobbed off on people demonized by the Western media.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/07/17/...
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lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago
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MSmailbox-So at what age do you think a person shouldn't be held accountable for his crimes against humanity? 94, 93, 92, 91, 90 etc...?
Being held accountable 'justice' is not revenge, if he is caught do you think he would be tortured as he tortured others? of course not! that would be revenge. As far as forgiveness goes, many have received forgiveness from victims families and victims themselves, does that mean the offender walks away scott free? NO! what kind of message would that send to other criminals? this shows others we as a society will not tolerate such crimes and will do what it takes to find you and hold you accountable. Forgiveness is wonderful if someone can manage that, but it's not for the offender, it's for the victims own peace of mind, sometimes the justice helps that person move on. Justice serves many purposes.
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MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago
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Interesting. I never thought of it, that way... Justice can even allow the offender, to move on. That gives me much to consider.
I have heard so many stories of people, who've been caught up in the hysteria of the drug war, that I've really come to take a very dim view of "justice." So many laws are specious, hypocritical and were written by people with draconian mind-sets, which have no room for mercy, that I gave up on the system, philosophically. I guess it was when John Ashcroft began to flex his muscles and decided to ramrod the Constitution, during a crisis, that I lost confidence. Ashcroft wanted things this way, from the time he was a career prosecutor, in Missouri. I believe that he's done more lasting damage to our country, than Osama bin Ladin could ever hope to do. Anyway, crimes against humanity, such as were committed by Dr. Death are beyond my comprehension. Perhaps, it does send a message to others, who would take other people's lives into their own hands.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago
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And what if the person is a senior citizen when he commits the crime? I just don't believe a person who deserves life in prison for such hideous crimes should have any cut off time to go scott free. Would you think if Jeffry Dahlmer hadn't been caught,and after 40yrs someone found him, they should just let him be?
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MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago
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Jeffry Dahlmer, I believe, is in another category... Totally insane, or demonically posessed. He needed to be put away, in order to protect the public, but in a high-security mental facility... If he'd hadn't been caught, for forty years, we'd have to see whether he was still a threat, i.e. If he were immobile, in a nursing home, what's the point? I am assuming that he had a mental problem and was not able to control his urges. Dr. Death, on the other hand, wasn't insane (he didn't eat his victims; the torture was by way of cruel medical experiments, instead of aimless gratification). It's a fine line, but an important one... Dr. Death was a "responsible" (sane) person, but Jeffry was an unresponsible, threat to society. One you would punish and the other you would isolate/treat and study.
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vor1 year, 5 months ago
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And what exactly do they plan to do with a 94 year old man? Capturing the man will bring no relief to any of the families of his victims. If they haven't come to grips with what happened 60 some years ago they probably need to be in therapy. I thought the Nazi hunters were a thing of the past? We should not forget the Holocaust nor should we drag it around like a dead horse. It is time to move on.
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joeblowe1 year, 5 months ago
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I think the MAIN thing about this is the publicity. Anyone who was involved in the atrocities - and is still alive - SHOULD at the very least live in constant fear that they will be discovered. Whether or not they ever ARE, or what happens to them then is nearly irrelevant. Make them FEAR every day of their pathetic lives. Just as they made others live in fear.
Mind you, I'm not Jewish and I don't particularly give 2 hoots about Israel, but many of the Nazi war criminals were so heinous as to be sub-human. Whatever punishment CAN be doled out to them is insufficient.
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Edmar141 year, 5 months ago
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Give it up. Historically, Muslims have killed more people in the name of God than can be counted. Let's forget history, today thousands are being killed in Darfur, Somolia and a dozen other places by Muslim militias. Muslim Suicide bombers have taken more lives in Pakistan, Kabul, Iraq and several other places. Non Muslims and women have been degraded to less than second class citizens and Islamic law has separate punishments for men and women. 600,000 Jews were forced from Muslim countries between 1948 and 1953 without ever being compensated for businesses or homes. From 1916 to 1947 (the year Jordan gained it's independence) the entire middle east was a Muslim land grab. You seem to focus in on Israel, and tend to neglect the fact that the Palestinians were robbed of 2/3 of their land by the Saudi Royal Family when Jordan was created in 1922. The largest Palestinian refugee camp is in Jordan which was Palestine. Learn your history before you slander anybody else.
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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"Give it up. Historically, Muslims have killed more people in the name of God than can be counted."
Christians, too. If you're going to claim to be historically accurate. You should probably mention the number of Palestinians dead for every Israeli, too. If you're going to claim to be historically accurate. And if you want to be accurate, you should probably mention all the homes and land stolen from the Palestinians by the Israeli government.
But hey. It's apparent that's not really what you're after.
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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I disagree, I feel the people who actually practice the teachings of their religion are the innocents. They're always the ones who get caught in the middle of the religious wars while the phonies go off and try to rid the world of people with different views.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Ah, Edmar the supporter of zionist mass ethnic cleansing of millions of christians and moslems trying to browbeat americans again! Why don't you move to your country of primary loyalty and leave we americans alone.
Turning the Tables on the Israel-Firsters
Politics â;; American Israel-firsters have long since dropped any pretense of loyalty to the US. They have moved brazenly into the Israel first, last, and always camp. Americans must now begin taking their country back. As long as the Israel-firsters can define the limits of acceptable public discourse, Americans are on their way to the slaughter.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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... Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Norman Podhoretz, Victor Davis Hanson, the Rev. Franklin Graham, Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, Douglas Feith, the Rev. Rod Parsley, Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Bill Kristol, the Rev. John Hagee, and the thousands of wealthy supporters of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) appear to care about the United States only so far as Washington is willing to provide immense, unending funding and the lives of young U.S. service personnel to protect Israel. These individuals and their all-for-Israel journals â;; Commentary, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Wall Street Journal â;; amount to nothing less than a fifth column intent on involving 300 million Americans in other peoples' religious wars, making them pay and bleed to protect a nation in which the United States has no genuine national security interest at stake....
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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2. Voters should not vote for any candidate for federal office who accepts contributions from AIPAC or any other Israel-first organization. This decision would be an important step in beginning to sweep clean the Augean stable that is American politics.
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Neutralizing the Israel-first fifth column must be done, but it must be accomplished using legitimate democratic tools: voting, lobbying, free speech, and support for candidates pledged to keep America out of other peoples' religious wars. The invocation of the anti-Semite epithet by the Israel-firsters should be ignored. To be silenced by the slurs of the Israel-firsters is to ignominiously invite the end of American independence by subordinating U.S. interests to those of a foreign nation...
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/16/...
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ChrisLang1 year, 5 months ago
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I can certainly can understand revenge. But you have to question the quality of life for someone who has spent most of his hunting Dr. Death and his like down.
Still I commend his actions, what would the world be like if someone did not dedicate his life to his work, whatever it is?
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