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    chevydog1 year, 5 months ago

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    Interesting. I couldn't begin to excuse what the guy is accused of doing. Nor could I not excuse the victims' families about wanting revenge.

    But philosphically, one sometimes gets to wonder "When is enough enough?" Yeah, the US legal system has no statute of limitations on murder. That's what this was. But we're coming perilously close to effectively saying that other things have no statute of limitations. As one literary character observed "The law requires justice, but most people are only interested in revenge." What if the two aren't always the same thing?

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      Dionys1 year, 5 months ago

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      "But we're coming perilously close to effectively saying that other things have no statute of limitations."

      I'd think that genocide and/or mass murder would be one of those things that shouldn't have a statute of limitation.

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        Teech1 year, 5 months ago

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        We will need the talents of Mr. Zuroff to find Bush and Cheney after they flee the country in January '09.

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          cloud151 year, 5 months ago

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          Only took five to bring up Bush and Cheney....I'm a little disappointing.

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            Dionys1 year, 5 months ago

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            "Only took five to bring up Bush and Cheney....I'm a little disappointing."

            You're always disappointing.

            But you should be disappointed that in an article about genocide and mass murder it takes more than 5 messages before the two biggest mass murderers of this decade, certainly, are mentioned.

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              cloud151 year, 5 months ago

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              Yes call me out on the typo, I deserve it, that's a bad one lol.

              But seriously the two biggest mass murderers of this decade? Get a grip on reality my friend.

              http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/639106

              Welcome to Darfur

              The difference is we fight against armed terrorists/militias, they murder and rape helpless women and children.

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                hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago

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                Well cloud, you sure are good are swallowing pentagon propaganda by the bucketful. Here is what a Republican member of the Reagan administration has to say about your assertion.

                Only Little War Criminals Get Punished

                Do No Evil â;; Why al-Bashir? Bush and Blair's crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf, at least in the number of deaths and displaced persons, the terrible situation in Darfur. But of course the Great Moral West does not commit war crimes. War crimes are charges fobbed off on people demonized by the Western media.

                http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/07/17/...

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                  cloud151 year, 5 months ago

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                  So you're saying the pentagon is putting out propaganda about Darfur? That would make them look bad for not doing something about it wouldn't it? Not to mention the million or so displaced in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the thousands dead were the result of us, but more so the result of daily suicide bombings. If you think we've killed more civilians than those bombings than you're delusional.

                  No but I guess we're the same as Darfur. Because we're raping and killing based on ethnicity. And we don't want any of those pesky Muslims, especially the millions living here, to survive.

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                  Dionys1 year, 5 months ago

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                  "But seriously the two biggest mass murderers of this decade? Get a grip on reality my friend. "

                  Current count is well above one million. Darfur's a horrible genocide as well, but that doesn't excuse other mass murderers.

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                    cloud151 year, 5 months ago

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                    I wonder how many of those million were the result of suicide bombings.

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            chevydog1 year, 5 months ago

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            It doesn't--nor do I think it should. My veiled reference was to sex crimes.

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            MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago

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            I wonder about this, too... I was horrified, as a child, when I watched the Nuremburg trials (alone) and my dearest friend is Jewish, but this sounds more like an obsession, than a sincere quest for justice. Justice is not revenge! No one has the right to seek revenge and if they think that they do, they're only going to hurt themselves. It takes one hell of a man, to "turn the other cheek." Anyone, even a scumbag wants to "get back" at someone. But, but, but, look how bad they were? Doesn't mean squat! Unless someone is willing to "turn the other cheek," this kind of stuff goes on and on and on... Why do you think that the Middle East has so many problems? If you want to whitewash revenge and call it justice, then you've institutionalized this sort of "eye-for-an-eye" mentality. I have no use for this kind of "justice." It does not bring peace, nor happiness.

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              Dicax_Maximus1 year, 5 months ago

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              MS - Simple answer. Shoot the POS, send a message to other POS's (your conduct will result in death). Won't work for the real nutters, but should sufffice for those with a few brain cells....

              As for your Middle East analogy, just won't wash as none of the country's there seem to have the faintest grasp on humanity & it's responsibilities......

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                MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago

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                Dr. Death's crimes represent such an extreme case of cruelty, that perhaps such a very protracted search, is warranted. I'm not sure whether it will deter others, because I think that in his twisted mind, he may have thought what he was doing, was OK. I realize that sounds bizzare, but people have a strange way of rationalizing and justifying their own actions. I'd imagine that he wasn't angry, but instead, monsterously cold. I have emotional problems, already, and this stuff just makes me cry, "space out" and then, get very quiet and depressed. So hard to go out and look at the beautiful earth and be happy, when you know that these things have happened. It's more than a person's mind can bear.

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                  Justice4All1 year, 5 months ago

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                  Sometimes I think people forgive and forget too easily. We need a longer memory about some things. Mass murder and genocide to name a few. But it works both ways. The Palestinians still remember Palestine and will not forget.

                  Take a trip to the US south. They still talk about the civil war. Wont even call it the civil war, it's the war of northern aggression or the "second revoulationary war".

                  I hope they catch Dr. Death. And if not at least he will know why he was pursued his entire life and that people did not forget. What I want to know is why he was free until 1962?

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                  hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago

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                  Well Dicax, are you calling for the asassination of Bush and Blair? Or is your "revenge" selective and excludes your own war criminals?

                  Only Little War Criminals Get Punished

                  Do No Evil â;; Why al-Bashir? Bush and Blair's crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf, at least in the number of deaths and displaced persons, the terrible situation in Darfur. But of course the Great Moral West does not commit war crimes. War crimes are charges fobbed off on people demonized by the Western media.

                  http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/07/17/...

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                  lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago

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                  MSmailbox-So at what age do you think a person shouldn't be held accountable for his crimes against humanity? 94, 93, 92, 91, 90 etc...?

                  Being held accountable 'justice' is not revenge, if he is caught do you think he would be tortured as he tortured others? of course not! that would be revenge. As far as forgiveness goes, many have received forgiveness from victims families and victims themselves, does that mean the offender walks away scott free? NO! what kind of message would that send to other criminals? this shows others we as a society will not tolerate such crimes and will do what it takes to find you and hold you accountable. Forgiveness is wonderful if someone can manage that, but it's not for the offender, it's for the victims own peace of mind, sometimes the justice helps that person move on. Justice serves many purposes.

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                    MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago

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                    Interesting. I never thought of it, that way... Justice can even allow the offender, to move on. That gives me much to consider.

                    I have heard so many stories of people, who've been caught up in the hysteria of the drug war, that I've really come to take a very dim view of "justice." So many laws are specious, hypocritical and were written by people with draconian mind-sets, which have no room for mercy, that I gave up on the system, philosophically. I guess it was when John Ashcroft began to flex his muscles and decided to ramrod the Constitution, during a crisis, that I lost confidence. Ashcroft wanted things this way, from the time he was a career prosecutor, in Missouri. I believe that he's done more lasting damage to our country, than Osama bin Ladin could ever hope to do. Anyway, crimes against humanity, such as were committed by Dr. Death are beyond my comprehension. Perhaps, it does send a message to others, who would take other people's lives into their own hands.

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                      MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago

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                      Oh, to answer your question, I believe that 40 years, is sufficient. Traditionally, 40 years represents, "a long time, but not forever."

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                        lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago

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                        And what if the person is a senior citizen when he commits the crime? I just don't believe a person who deserves life in prison for such hideous crimes should have any cut off time to go scott free. Would you think if Jeffry Dahlmer hadn't been caught,and after 40yrs someone found him, they should just let him be?

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                          MSmailbox1 year, 5 months ago

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                          Jeffry Dahlmer, I believe, is in another category... Totally insane, or demonically posessed. He needed to be put away, in order to protect the public, but in a high-security mental facility... If he'd hadn't been caught, for forty years, we'd have to see whether he was still a threat, i.e. If he were immobile, in a nursing home, what's the point? I am assuming that he had a mental problem and was not able to control his urges. Dr. Death, on the other hand, wasn't insane (he didn't eat his victims; the torture was by way of cruel medical experiments, instead of aimless gratification). It's a fine line, but an important one... Dr. Death was a "responsible" (sane) person, but Jeffry was an unresponsible, threat to society. One you would punish and the other you would isolate/treat and study.

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