Nazi Jews: A Historical Paradox »
Posted By bcuban 1 year, 3 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentWould it surprise anyone to learn that there were upwards of 150, 000 soldiers of partial Jewish descent serving in the Nazi army during World War II?
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ecotourusa1 year, 3 months ago
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Does it surprise anyone that George Soros freely admitted that he posed as the "adopted godson" of an official of the Nazi-occupation government, and helped in the confiscation of Jewish properties?
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/16/...
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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More facts emerged about the effects of the war. Of my birth year, 1923, only 30 percent of the males came back from the war, that is, 70 percent were killed. The years from about 1920 on to 1926 suffered equal or higher losses. It was only natural that the few men of these birth years who did return had enormous opportunities. Young women were looking for boyfriends, widows were looking for husbands, and businesses were looking for bosses.
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Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago
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gamahuche1 year, 3 months ago
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Lets at least say SOME Jews, Wolfie..
There was plenty of opposition to Hitler from many sides, Jewish, democratic, Communist, Socialist - but he and his stormtroopers dedicated themselves to dispensing with all of them in one way or another..
Because the definition of who was Jewish kept changing - by fractions, primarily, of course at the beginning there were some who believed that if they kept quiet and didn't bother anyone they would be left alone and survive. How successful THAT strategy proved is pretty obvious in retrospect.
My own situation was as the son of a 1/2 Jewish father with an English mother who had worked for the British Council. Over 60 years letter I can still experience the frissson of the time that a very drunk and very obnoxious German soldier insisted that I sat on his knee on a train. I would love to say that I peed on him but, alas, that would be rewriting history..
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A great read this!
Thanks for the heads-up Dicax M
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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"Would it surprise anyone to learn that there were upwards of 150, 000 soldiers of partial Jewish descent serving in the Nazi army during World War II?"
No. It would not suprise me that there were some complexities and confusing questions about the heritage of some Germans with or without Jewish ancestry.
And it would not surprise me that someone would go out of the their way to write a story and emphasizse the worst role that SOME Jews played during the holocaust years.
Furthermore, it would not surprise me that an article like this would attract anti-Semitic comments like Wolfie's. Which is a false statement. (A very small percentage.)
Most bigots and anti-Semites like to classify everyone in the group according to the negative characteristics of a few.
Well done, Wolfie. I would expect nothing better from you on the subject.
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bcuban1 year, 3 months ago
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Mutainia1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm thinking that the gene for trying to appease and be nice to evil in the however slim hope that evil doesn't continue to oppress, expand, and destroy, runs deep in just about everyone, not just those Jews during the time of Nazi Germany. I think I'm guilty of that kind of appeasement myself, to an extent. Some might call it the "coward gene". I'd call it the "Liberal Progressive" gene.
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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Lets try this - it is the "obedience to authority reflex" and we all have it to some degree. The Milgram experiments explained a lot about how average people can be made to do repugnant things by authority figures.
And beyond that, Goebbels was a skilled propagandist, so much so that the US follows his playbook to this day. Remember, they were "liberators" of Europe, and the allies were engaging in terrorism, that was what Germans were told every day by their newspapers and radio stations. Those who fought in the German Army largely thought they were defending their country against ruthless attack, much as most in our armed forces somehow think they are "defending our country" by killing Iraqis and Afghanis.
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Sometimes when the human perspective is removed from what some would call factual or "objective" history, it loses its pertinence, its meaning, and fails to recognize the overall perspective about the events of the time under scrutiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymuF7uG6wis
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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My husband wrote a book, from his childhood to the end of the war. He walked back to Germany from a Russian POW camp and was homeless.
He has his book on a website. I won't put it here - but if you are interested send me a message on the message center. If I am familiar with your name I will give you the website name.
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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Mutania, please! Patriotism is, finally, a personal matter--like one's choice of partner or one's religious (or nonreligious) convictions---and shouldn't be subject to anyone's litmus (unless, perhaps, some blatant betrayal is suspected).
Without REALLY wishing to engage in the usual right-left jousting, I don't hear libs b*itching about someone's lack of patriotism very much.
I'd say that doing so is an authoritarian specialty, in the province of those who tend to think dichotomously--right/wrong, good/bad, strong/week--and for whom allying oneself with strong centralized power (despite ENDLESS protests to the contrary) is a big item.
As in, "America: love it or leave it."
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canadianrancher571 year, 3 months ago
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I am not really one for history but am sort of curious if Hitler's intent was known right from the beginning of his rise to power. He helped bring Germany out of a severe economic crisis by arming his nation and likely under the idea that Germany would not be defeated again which would likely cause many if not all people to be patriotic. The mans paranoia kept him always looking for someone to blame and I wonder if he had the Jewish people in mind from the start or if it was not an idea that was common around the world at the time. I have seen some comments above about the number of Jews that supported him and think that it would have depended on the time of his reign.
Patriotism is sometimes a blinding force that prevents people from seeing the truth.
I did not vote for this story because I did not like it's intent
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splitrch1 year, 3 months ago
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As a small population of "others" in every country until 1948, Jews were always easy targets for scapegoating. When the population is angry it is easy to affix blame - especially if those affixing the blame are the cause of the discomfort.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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*Closes mouth that's dropped open after reader Mutania's reply to my comment, above*
How, dear Mutania, did the subject of my feelings about the etiology of gayness arise from my post?
Inquiring minds want to know.
But in answer to your question: the jury's still out about what "causes" gayness; my own feeling is that there are probably a number of ways to arrive at sexual interest in one's own sex, and that a genetic basis for that choice may certainly play a part.
I do NOT feel, however, that one chooses gayness* any more than one chooses straightness--or one's eye color, for that matter. Like straightness, it is, I feel, INNATE.
In this and in all other ways I would make a lousy televangelist.
* one possible stop on a continuum of sexual attraction possibility
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prof671 year, 3 months ago
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if you don't learn history; you are bound to repeat it.
Stalin - as soon as he took over - killed all the Russian Othodox priests and destroyed every symbol of religion in Russia.
Religion is the enemy of all despots. Hitler put as many Christians in jails as Jews. To Hitler, they were his opposition.
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MrALO1 year, 3 months ago
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First, Hitler was not Jewish, nor did he have any close relatives who were Jewish. He learned his prejudice from his family, his community and through the virulent anti-Jewish media. It was considered the in-thing, in Austria at that time, to be anti-Jewish.
Second, a child is considered Jewish only if the mother is Jewish. If there were Nazi soldiers with Jewish fathers or grandfathers, the child is not Jewish unless they go through a conversion. Just because a child might have a Jewish paternal ancestor and probably raised Christian, doesn't mean that they are automatically Jewish. If the recruiters in the Nazi army knew of any Jewish ancestry the recruit would never have been allowed to join and if they did, it might have been as a form of survival.
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splitrch1 year, 3 months ago
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"First they cameâ;¦" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892â;;1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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ToniWalt1 year, 3 months ago
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I have talked to many Jews of Russian and German descent about the impact of "being Jewish" on their lives. One of German descent did not want to discuss it with me as I was an African American. The other, a Russian (Ukrainian) Jew who had come to this country in the 70s was completely forth coming and informative. His father served in the Russian military and died in New York City. I was fascinated due to my father's presence at the camps accompanying Gen. Eisenhower. Now, I am a doctoral student studying this phenomena of an ethnic group's self hatred, refusal to admit their heritage to themselves or others, and their participation of their own destruction by others and themselves. I was glad to see that African Americans were not the only ones with such self-hatred. This subject certainly deserves more study. Many have died who can add to the information, but some of their written stories still exist, as do the stories of African Americans.
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ToniWalt1 year, 3 months ago
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To Mr. ALO: It is not known if he had Jewish blood or not! No one has ever investigated Hitler's heritage. However, his dying mother's doctor was Jewish for whom he had great respect. It seems that Hitler's resentments came from three areas: his failed and unaccepted art work in Vienna, his early financial situation (poverty or lower middle class values), and his gang of sociopaths and psychotic minds that followed his world view (Mein Kampf). I've often said that Hitler was mentally ill and I believe that he was, but so much so that people did not recognize his insanity. He was perhaps the most insane man we've seen in the 20th century.
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petemeister1 year, 3 months ago
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just saw a show on pbs the other day about the fall of the Incan empire. What they discovered was that the Incans that were killed at Lima were mostly killed by their own, and not the Spaniards. I believe they said there was one that had a bullet hole in his head from a Spaniard. So this really does not surprise me that there were Jews fighting on the nazi side. I imagine that would be self preservation.
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