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Posted By RedRiverJ 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsHas Barack Obama Accomplished Anything in the Senate. Video from Chris Matthews on CNN, the entire clip. You watch, you decide.
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RedRiverJ1 year, 4 months ago
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NoSpinDave1 year, 4 months ago
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"Has Barack Obama Accomplished Anything in the Senate?"
Actually YES!!!
He apparently managed to snow a bunch of head in the sand liberals that he is actually something new and different!
I can just see him and his wife laughing behind closed doors at how gullible the liberal base is. What a PERFECT group of morons to play like a fiddle to get elected to the most powerful position in the world.
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CactusAnnie1 year, 4 months ago
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"...or there was no answer to Matthew's question?"
There was an answer, it was: Accomplishments? None.
The fact that this hollow facade of a candidate is actually a Democratic nominee, to me, is chilling and very frightening. The implications are horrible!
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FSU92grad1 year, 4 months ago
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Cactus,
I've always maintained that at least with Hillary....That made more since to me as a Democrap candidate...She's got the experience, the connections, the backing, etc...I don't like her either, but she's a little closer to the middle than Osama is...
Osama just doesn't make any sense to me...I mean, if all you had to do to be president is to make a few good speeches and call a reporter "sweetie" to get elected...
Hell, I'm in ! I'm ALL in.....
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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"The fact that this hollow facade of a candidate is actually a Democratic nominee, to me, is chilling and very frightening. The implications are horrible!"
--That sounds really familiar, CactusAnnie...Oh, I know why. You said virtually the same thing about McCain not long ago:
CactusAnnie's political judgement earlier this year:
"Another great article! Excellent summary of McCain.
I knew all that, and that is why I could never vote for McCain. I don't even want to think about him being nominated!"
--How will you feel about McCain or Obama tomorrow? ;-(
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/13/...
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mark-stevens1 year, 4 months ago
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It isn't just Bush or Clinton. We have elected officials all the way down to school boards that are so far left or right that there thinking should be investigated as being un American. Did you know the number one banned book in America, is Harry Potter...
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mark-stevens1 year, 4 months ago
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That was a CNN report last year, I'm sure the other two is up there. Book banning and burning... A simple moment, yet when you take a look at the disco bashing and burning events it doesn't look so funny now. That was a musical genra heavily supported by the gay community that was abolished through violence and intimidation.
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truthiness1 year, 4 months ago
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no f-ing way...
"Most of the ones who try to are attacked the way our President has been"
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. he has had every initiative passed and faced no repercussions for any "mistakes"
attacked.. no wonder the govt is a disaster, the citizens are not paying any attention.
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CactusAnnie1 year, 4 months ago
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Really?
Lying about reasons to invade Iraq.
Lying about torture.
Lying about extraordinary rendition.
Lying about warrantless wiretapping.
Bush and the rest of his cronies have most definitely gotten away with violating both federal law and the Constitution.
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CactusAnnie1 year, 4 months ago
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Delta Sierra! You have no idea of what you are talking about, you are just repeating VERY tired old lines. If you knew, it would probably keep you up at night, and I don't mean on a computer. You are just spouting off a load of crap.
It is truly folks like you who need to pay more attention to reality than your local sports teams and TV shows...
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Well, here is some DOCUMENTATION for what you WISH was a "load of crap".
It is only "crap" in your mind because you REFUSE to believe it or to accept the truth.
YOU are the one that has a serious problem with reality.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06062008/prof...
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05162008/sand...
http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/02/...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21148801/
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendi...
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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bubba - Moyers, Wash Post, nytimes, msnbc, pbs. Those names I see in the links easily tell me they're liberal biased sites and not worth the time to read. I'm really surprised that Obama loving lib Matthews allowed this to be aired and pursued it like he did. Maybe he's trying to bring up his ratings. I have noticed lately he has tried to appear more neutral or conservative lately, kind of like Obama has.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Yeah, yeah ... for you and Karissa, NOTHING is "true" unless it originates from FOX News or Rush Limbaugh.
Do you also think that the United States SENATE (in my list of URLs) is a "liberal, biased" source??
You all are so full of baloney, and it is a WASTE of time to try to provide any REAL truth to you because you refuse to accept it or believe it.
It must really be hard to admit that you supported a President that has lied.
Just keep those rose-colored blinders on and keep downing the junk from FOX and Rush ... "don't worry, be happy ..."
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CactusAnnie1 year, 4 months ago
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I still believe this is the most wonderful country in the world. I do not believe you or anyone else has the right to trash it. You have more freedoms, and benefits here than any where, including the freedom to start your own business if you want to. You are not bound into doing only what your father did that gives you entry to a certain Guild. You can do ANYTHING, find something you love and prosper, contribute, get off your behind and the sky is the limit. Figure it out!!! Put a little effort into it. This country does not owe you anything just because you have breath.
And yes, the majority of people who we have in office right now have no business being there!! You vote them out! It is a blessed right that our forefathers gave us. And be very wary of voting in anti-Americans like Barack Hussian Obama.
Scary!!
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Anyone that lives in this country DOES have the right to speak out when the government - and the corporations - are breaking the law and not representing the citizens.
The country may not be IN the toilet yet, but it is on its way if something doesn't happen to stop the spiral into economic disaster that the policies of conservatism have precipitated.
Banks are defaulting, mortgage companies are defaulting, millions of people are losing their homes to foreclosure, the country is NINE TRILLION dollars in debt and rising, the price of gas is ridiculous and is causing the price of EVERYTHING to skyrocket, Americans can barely afford the basics because of the state of the economy.
And as long as I live in this country I WILL speak my mind about what is WRONG, especially when 95% of the people are being deprived of decent wages, decent homes, decent education, and decent health care.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Ask the millions of families in this country that are now homeless because they have lost their homes to foreclosure, ask the 37 million Americans without health insurance, and
ask the 32 million people living in poverty about their "standard of living".
Provide documentation to prove what I said is "hogwash".
Meanwhile, here is some light reading for you ...
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07182008/prof...
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/e...
http://activerain.com/blogsview/434848/Mortgage...
http://www.rebuild.org/news-article/foreclosure...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/_105432.html
http://content.usatoday.com/community/utils/idm...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/america...
http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2007/10/rent...
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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While Obama has said "Yes, we can change" and similar phrases, he has not used the word "change" like you all try to say he has, so get over it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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And it is ironic that you tell someone they don't have the right to "trash" our country, then you turn RIGHT around and "trash" one of its citizens - and, with NOTHING to back up such a ludicrous, knee-jerk accusation.
One more thing ... it's "Hussein" ...
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mark-stevens1 year, 4 months ago
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Ya know CA if my zipper was down I would expect my friend to tell me.
Right now our elected officials are not caring. Greenspan told congress three years ago that the phony housing boom could bankrupt the country. Because of this not caring, 6,000 families are being moved out of their houses every day by the police, through foreclosure.
Bear Sterns "lost" five billion dollars, we the tax payer covered their lost bets
The Indimac bank closed and took a half billion dollars of uninsured savings with it.
I have an old friend that tells me "no matter what, I could always be a black man being lynched in Alabama."
If I had cancer, was in a car wreck, lost a leg, wife left me that was always his response.
Saying "So what, this is the best country in the world" is a big cop out.
It used to be a hell of a lot better!!!
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CactusAnnie1 year, 4 months ago
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Yes, it was, when people took responsibility for their own lives and didn't expect the government to do it for them. When communities came together and helped each other, and when Benjamin Franklin's axiom "A friend in need is a friend indeed".
Most Americans are still like that. Most Americans when in a pinch do not think the government should bail them out, that is what friends and community do, not out of coercion, but because they are basically that way. They help when they can, they work hard, and they don't whine because the "government" doesn't force their neighbors to do what most of their neighbors would do anyway out of a sense of caring.
This IS the best country in the world! I would think that anyone in every country would say that about their own country too.
I am proud of my country, and I am not ashamed to say so. And hear this,...God Bless America!!!!!
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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Speaking of puzzling questions, RedRiverJ, could you kindly explain how you got to where you're now posting attack stories about Obama from where you were mere months ago? Here, for ex:
RedRiverJ on McCain: "McCain's state of Arizona is suffering desperately yet McCain along with Ted Kennedy wrote an amnesty bill last summer for illegal immigrants. You can also give credit to fellow senator from Arizona John Kyl. If I lived in Arizona I'd make it my lifes mission to make sure both these yahoo's never got elected again in my state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYoioZJYBCE This is worse than global warming I'd think."
--In the quote above you basically say McCain is destroying the US. You also really don't think he should be running a state (much less the entire country). Any thoughts on the gigantic leap in your trust in and respect for John McCain? It's very odd, don't you think? ;-(
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RedRiverJ1 year, 4 months ago
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I posted this video, the hit piece as you call it, because I thought Chris Matthews hard hitting interview was very interesting since a few months ago he was getting chills up his leg over Obama and claimed Obama's speeches made him cry. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/chris-matthews-obamas-s_n_80805.html
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Now he is really hitting Watson hard to name some legislation accredited to Obama. He could not because there is little or he simply couldn't think of anything. Make of that what you will, that is up to each individual to determine.
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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RedRiverJ says McCain totally sucks below. Why no comparison of McCain's accomplishments? We want to hear about McCain Feingold and McCain Kennedy, RedRiverJ. Don't disappoint us. ;-(
RedRiverj on McCain:
"Very good article on the RHINO (republican in name only) John McCain. No mention of his abysmal, traitorous stance on amnesty for illegals in the summer of 2007. I hope when the American Citizens go into the voting booth flash backs of McCain, Obama, Clinton, John Kyle, Lindsey Graham will flash in their heads come election time. Here is a link to tell you EXACTLY how McCain votes."
-Wow a RINO and a "TRAITOR" RedRiverJ? But wasn't that you gushing over him yesterday on AG's shilljob POW story? You want a "traitor" to run your country? Wow...This pretty much sums up the con mentality. Party before country 100%. ;-(
http://news.propeller.com/story/2007/12/31/flas...
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RedRiverJ1 year, 4 months ago
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McCain's abysmal voting record on amnesty for illegals last summer wasn't erased in my mind because I made a positive comment on AG's POW story. He, along with Obama, Clinton, John Kyle, Lindsey Graham, were more than willing to give instant amnesty to people that were breaking the law, disrespecting our country by doing so and risking the safety of the American people with little or no security checks on these individuals. I do feel it is wrong to give instant amnesty, doesn't matter if it's McCain or someone else.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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Here is a source of info on Senator Obama:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/mem...
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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Some quick tidbits off the initial page:
Barack Obama has missed 270 votes (43.7%) during the current Congress.
Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.0% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Obama did not vote.
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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"Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.0% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Obama did not vote."
But But But But Bush lied people died!!!
But But But But But Gen. Betray us!
But But But But McCain bomb the USS Forestall!
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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John McCain has voted with a majority of his Republican colleagues 88.3% of the time during the 110th Congress.
Not sure what either statistic proves, except that they are both partisan to differing degrees.
And ... Bush DID lie.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/sena-...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/244/story/39963.html
http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm...
Petraeus is a "yes-man" general for Bush. He is the latest in a string of generals who were removed because they disagreed with Bush and told him the truth.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/050507.html
It's spelled "Forrestal" and I am really not worried about "who's fault it was" for that fire 41 years ago. Apparently you have come across someone on Propeller who is, but it sure isn't related to THIS thread.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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Liberals keep telling the same old lie. Bush lied. Why do you foolish people keep telling that obvious lie. It is so easy to refute.
1. To lie you have to know what you are saying is false.
2. During and after the Clinton administration the US intelligence agencies, administration, Congress, world leaders, and their intelligence agencies were all saying what Bush was saying.
But Bush lied. Only in your minds. One poster said that the above didn't matter since he knew that Bush lied. Must be a mind reader. Are you.
Those sites are garbage. The intelligence committee presided over by very biased Democrats. They are putting out political garbage.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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There is no "same old lie", and that info did NOT come from me.
YOUR GOVERNMENT has proved that Bush lied. He DID know what he was saying was FALSE. READ the government report!
http://intelligence.senate.gov/press/record.cfm...
Oh - by the way, the actual INVESTIGATIONS by the Senate - the results of which are in that SENATE report - ALL occurred while the REPUBLICANS were in control.
So, you are calling your neocon buddies in the Senate "garbage". Brilliant ....
YOU are the foolish one for refusing to believe the truth.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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You know what is funny, and AMAZINGLY ironic, is that you are using Clinton - who you HATE and who you denounce all the time - to try to prove that Bush didn't lie.
It does NOT matter what a PREVIOUS administration "said".
Bush had intelligence from HIS administration - CURRENT intelligence - you know, the year 2002? And THAT intelligence did NOT support ANY of the 'reasons' he gave to invade Iraq. That is why - with Rumsfeld's and Feith's help - the real intelligence was CHANGED to fit Bush's agenda.
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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Hmmmm.... the changing of information, or real intelligence, to suit the political agenda of a current administration is as old as politics itself.
This in no way makes the spinning of factual information to obtain a political goal desirable but it is culturally acceptable. This is something politicians know and exploit to their advantage not ours.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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This is also a source of info on voting records and positions:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?ca...
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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This page is always interesting:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category....
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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"This is also a source of info on voting records and positions:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?ca...
Hum this is odd, I though his NV (no vote) would be on days he was out of DC campaigning and thus couldn't be "there" to actually vote. Turns out that not true!
Dang!
12/13/2007 S Amdt 3695 Y Rejected â;; Senate (56 - 43) 98 total
12/13/2007 S Amdt 3810 NV Rejected â;; Senate (48 - 47) 95 total
05/22/2008 HR 2419 NV Passed â;; Senate (82 - 13)
05/22/2008S Amdt 4818 NV Adopted â;; Senate (70 - 26)
05/22/2008S Amdt 4803 Y Adopted â;; Senate (75 - 22)
Hum just part of the fist page.
Good thing Obama's job as a Senator doesn't require him to, like, vote on stuff.
Isn't his campaign slogan "Judgment to Lead?"
Doesn't a NV (no vote) kinda sorta say he couldn't make up his mind? And isn't that a LACK of Judgment?
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Read the fine print on the website you used.
At the bottom of the page of a person's voting record is the "Vote Key".
"NV" equals "Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present".
Which means that all you know from that website is that there was no vote - you do NOT know whether or not it was because the person was there but did not vote or that the person was NOT there at all.
See below for accurate comparisons of ABSENCES from the Senate by Obama and McCain.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Just to keep some perspective here --
McCain has been TOTALLY ABSENT from the Senate since April 8.
McCain has missed 387 votes (compared to Obama's 270).
McCain has voted 231 times (compared to Obama's 348).
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110...
McCain missed the vote on FISA.
McCain missed the vote on the economic stimulus package.
McCain has missed at least 7 votes on bills involving Iraq, including the bill in April for more funding for the troops.
McCain attended NONE of his committee's six hearings on Afghanistan over the last two years.
McCain skipped General David Petraeus's Iraq briefing in April.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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Compare GovTrack between the two:
Obama:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=4...
"Statistic: Barack Obama missed 268 of 1240 votes (22%) since Jan 6, 2005 (Exceedingly Poor relative to peers)."
McCain:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=3...
"Statistic: John McCain missed 691 of 4057 votes (17%) since Feb 4, 1993 (Exceedingly Poor relative to peers)"
So, in 3.5 years Obama has missed 268 or 270 votes compared to McCain missing 691 in 15 years. I guess that is roughly comparable if we assume McCain's missed votes come from this presidential campaign and from 2000's presidential campaign.
Of course, McCain has 12-13 years of other service as a Senator, 4 years as a Representative, and 20 years as a veteran. Obama has 1.5 maybe 2 years as a Senator when he hasn't been campaigning for president and missing votes and 8 years as a Illinois politician.
There's some additional perspective.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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You are comparing apples to oranges.
If you want to REALLY compare equitably, then you need to compare for the SAME amount of time that BOTH men have been in the Senate.
Since Jan 6, 2005, McCain has missed 423 of 1240 votes - that is 34%.
That compares to 22% missed (268) by Obama in the SAME timeframe.
And there is some MORE perspective that is on an equal plane. Your source was very helpful - thanks.
Campaigning for President should have NOTHING to do with it, in EITHER case.
If they cannot fulfill there commitment to their constituents and also 'run for President', then they need to not run for President.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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No, you are misconstruing. I was not comparing Obama's total to McCain's total. I specifically said that the total # of missed votes for McCain would be roughly comparable to Obama if we factor in the fact that McCain was also a candidate in the 200 race.
If you look at this graph, you'll see that McCain's missed votes spike during the time periods he ran for the nomination and now when he's the presumptive nominee:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=3...
So, they are roughly equivalent in missing votes due to being candidates. My point, which you did not address, is that if you take away the amount of time devoted to campaigning, McCain has vastly more time experience compared to Obama. And that doesn't even touch the issue of Obama's "present" votes as as Illinois state senator.
I thought Obama was supposed to be the guy who really confronts the issues?
When the phone rings at 3am is Obama going to answer "Present"?
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
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Son: is this who you want to answer the phone?
" "a glimpse into the true thinking of those, like McCain, who backed launching the war in Iraq and committing our forces there indefinitely. Particularly, they believed that Afghanistan wasn't a concern and we didn't need to take it seriously. In fact, just a year earlier, on CBS' Face the Nation, McCain said capturing Osama bin Laden wasn't "that important."
Five years later, we now see where that poor judgment and lack of insight has gotten us. The Taliban has regained large swaths of Afghanistan, al Qaeda has reconstituted itself, Osama bin Laden still is free, and Afghanistan is in crisis. All of that lends itself to our nation being that much less secure, and in much greater danger of another terrorist attack from extremists from the Pakistan/Afghanistan region.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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We are winning and you liberals can't stand that. The Democrats have for the last 4 years have bet on the side of us losing the war and that is not happening. Now they are trying to make it seem that that was not true. They try to bury the White Flag Harry image.
Al Quada has reconstituted itself all right. The last group in Iraq was in Mosul. Of 1200 there 1000 captured and their leaders killed. And they are reconstituted. What a concept. A couple of raids by the Taliban thinking they were going to have victory and they had their rears handed to them. Large gains, wow. They are back over the border.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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What EXACTLY are we winning? Can you 'quantify' that?
Is "winning" that the violence is down - FINALLY - after FIVE years of over 4000 dead Americans and HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dead Iraqis?
Is "winning" the fact that over 4 million Iraqis are displaced and are either unable or afraid to go back home?
Is "winning" the fact that the mortality rate of Iraqi children under 5 is the HIGHEST in the history of that country?
Is "winning" the fact that soldiers have been electrocuted due to shoddy and substandard 'work' by Halliburton and KBR?
Is "winning" the fact that thousands of babies and children are suffering from disease and disfigurement because of exposure to Depleted Uranium and other chemicals used by U.S. troops?
Is "winning" the fact that women's rights in Iraq are totally GONE and they can't work and they are kidnapped and murdered for not wearing a veil?
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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We are NOT winning ANYTHING! There is NOTHING to "lose" by leaving.
Obama will get the troops out because the Iraqis WANT us OUT of their country. They have wanted us OUT of their country for YEARS.
We are the occupiers. We are not fighting any "war".
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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There is no "war" to lose. There was never a "war".
We invaded a country for NO JUSTIFIABLE reason.
After we shoved Saddam out of power, we let his entire army go, let uncontrolled looting occur, and screwed up every 'effort' to "rebuild" anything, with the exception of a pretty, new, overpriced U.S. embassy. There is little clean water, little electricity, 50% unemployment, and hardly any education or health care for the children.
The Iraqis have been in a civil war for the last 3 years.
Less than 10% of the insurgents are foreigners or Al Qaeda - over 90% of them are IRAQIS, and they want us OUT of their country. In case you forgot, Maliki has said - several times now - that he wants our troops withdrawn.
Bush's invasion and his "policies" since then have destroyed the country of Iraq.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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I don't understand your point about "taking away the amount of time devoted to campaigning".
Obama has only been IN the Senate since 2005. Since they are both running for President in 2008, the comparisons for their Senate records need to be for the same time periods for both candidates.
Check the "NV" designation on the "votesmart" site. "NV" does NOT distinguish whether or not the Senator was absent or was there and didn't vote.
At least Obama IS "present" much more than McCain. When you are NOT present, you have NO opportunity to vote at all.
I am not excusing the absences of Obama.
BOTH men need to fulfill their duties as Senators.
If someone cannot do their current job while running for President, they need to NOT be running for President.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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ROTFLMAO
You are saying that we should not look at the entire record of both men. What a concept. Run an inexperienced man against a very experienced man and we are not to look at the experienced mans record. Sounds like a plan to me. For liberals who want to put the blinders on.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Your all time favorite president, W, had NO more experience than Obama. In fact, he had LESS.
Bush could NOT hold down a job in the private sector. He could not even run an oil company!
Bush was a governor for 4 years before he became President - that is IT for his "experience".
So your argument about experience is BOGUS.
To look at and compare the SENATE record of both men, you have to compare the last 3.5 years, because that is how long Obama has been in the Senate. There is nothing to compare before that because only McCain was in the Senate before that.
The one on this thread with blinders is YOU.
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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Bubba
"Just to keep some perspective here --
McCain has been TOTALLY ABSENT from the Senate since April 8"
Uhm Bubba we all understand that if McCain or Obama are ABSENT, like in NOT there, they may not be voting on things THAT day.
That has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO with Obama's NV, NO VOTE!
Hint Bubba, he WAS in the senate on the days he made his NV! Dates are listed! When he has Y votes N votes and NV votes all on the same day WE CAN CONCLUDE HE WAS in the Senate THAT day!
And yes that is true on MANY days
Clear!
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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It has EVERYTHING to do with NV.
At least Obama was PRESENT IN THE SENATE even if he didn't always vote.
McCain couldn't bother to show up at all for many of the same sessions. McCain cannot even do an "NV" if he is NOT even there.
Clear???
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Klarissa --
I had to correct myself on what "NV" is (above post).
At the bottom of the page of a person's voting record is the "Vote Key".
"NV" equals "Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present".
From that votesmart site, NO ONE Can tell if the "NV" was because they were NOT there versus being there and not voting.
So, I can NO more tell you why Obama either didn't vote or wasn't there 268 times than you can tell me why McCain either didn't vote or wasn't there 423 times during the last 3.5 years.
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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Bubba
"It has EVERYTHING to do with NV.
At least Obama was PRESENT IN THE SENATE even if he didn't always vote."
Bubba, the subject is "NO VOTE" when he was there.
Obama's campaign slogan is "Judgment to Lead"
Obama has little to no history that is why his slogan is "Judgment to Lead" All we have to evaluate his Judgment is on things that he has said or voted on.
Clear?
He was there in the Senate and gave "No Vote" on bills
What Judgment is a "No Vote"?
Please explain, how does "no decision" equal a "decision"?
Apparently he did the same thing in the Illinois Senate with tween 130 to 160 "NV"
Some folks might call that a pattern, others a clue, but no one can call that having Judgment, in fact most would call that a dodge.
And trying to change the subject "McCain has been TOTALLY ABSENT" is a dodge, thus confirming the lack of Judgment.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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No ... let me explain it AGAIN. Try to get it this time.
"NV" equals "Not Voting OR Excused OR Absent OR Present".
The "NV" designation means that all you know from that website is that there was no vote - you do NOT know whether or not it was because the person was there but did not vote OR that the person was NOT there at all.
For 'NV', neither YOU nor anyone else KNOWS whether or not the voter was THERE or was ABSENT.
No "dodge" about being absent.
I can NO more tell you why Obama either didn't vote or wasn't there 268 times than you can tell me why McCain either didn't vote or wasn't there 423 times during the last 3.5 years.
The ACTUAL absent statistics DO show who has missed the MOST sessions in the last 3.5 years, and that is McCain.
Even if Obama is "Present" and doesn't vote, at least he was there to CONSIDER the bill. McCain apparently can't even do that very often.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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That is a brilliant maneuver to justify McCain's absence from that briefing.
I guess you must know that McCain's his son has an "inside track" to everything Petraeus knows so that McCain doesn't have to pay any attention to what Petraeus says ....
Sorry, your excuse for him doesn't wash ...
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inplacenews1 year, 4 months ago
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Keep on talking, Neocons, you are making him famous.
Besides, even if you are not liberal and you do not like McCain, how could you ever really elect someone who has changed party affiliation so many times, left a wife for a younge woman after she waited for him for five years, or that was a possible running-mate for John Kerry? Give me a break.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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Comparing what each man stands for. They are miles apart. For me it is voting for the lessor of two evils.
Obama has thrown so many people under the buss that it is riding quite high. Those associations say a lot about him. His voting record makes him the most liberal Senator bar none.
McCain votes usually with the conservative agenda. He angers Republicans some with the times he goes against them. He is a real war hero and served with distinction in the Navy. He retired a Captain at a point he was offered Rear Admiral. After that he has served as a Congressman and Senator from Arizona.
The experience and voting record force me to choose McCain.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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If we're talking about Lincoln, he was a Republican. But, I'm a bit confused, because Lincoln was never a senator. He lost to Douglas in his senate race. Plus, senater terms are 4 years. I think Kazama meant representative. Lincoln was a representative in the U.S. Congress for one term.
And, he was a Republican. Maybe you mean he was a classical liberal?
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Rrddbb1 year, 4 months ago
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Obamajama is nothing but a used car salesman from the burbs in CHIcago selling his junk to people that are fools.
ANYONE that takes his circus act seriously should'nt be allowed to vote much less breed.
We ALL heard his racist witch of a wife proclaim HER
adulation of her country.
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catfarr1 year, 4 months ago
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If anyone would vote for Obama, they obviously haven't done their homework! Having him in the Oval Office would be awful! Not because of his race or name, look at the facts! Look at his record in the Senate. And Hillary isn't any less scary!
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
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And whose puppet are you.
Seems like your White House does listen to him; Obama says talk to Iran then attack if it don't work. Who is the H talking to? Iran
Obama says, 16 months to get US troops out of Iraq, for 7 years shrub said no to this, now a timetable horizon.
What a sorry mixed up state of affairs is happening in Wonderland, only there is no 10 foot Alice to ask, but lots of mushrooms being eaten at 3 o'clock in the WH
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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No, foxy missed the nail ...
Obama has way more political experience than Bush had before he became President.
Apparently just 6 years as a governor was all Bush needed. That was Bush's ONLY government experience.
Obama's government experience --
Senator, United States Senate, 2005-present
Senator, Illinois State Senate, 1996-2004
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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I will be voting for someone to be president for the next four years,
I don't want and inexperienced president who tells the world what he is going to do, and then has to change his mind when he finds out that wasn't a good idea.
Wise presidents have state departments with people speaking the language of the people they are dealing with. They lay the ground work, come to agreements on what they can agree on, and set up and agenda at levels lower than the president to discuss the disagreements.
The president's power is greatly diminished when he preaches to the crowd, and makes statements that later have to be amended.
Obama is more interested in personal glory than what is best for us.
If he were wise, he would have said that he would continue the negotiations in progress and push for an early solution.
But he is a glory hound.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Obama has MORE political experience that Bush EVER had.
Bush was a governor for 6 years. Before that he couldn't hold down a job in the private sector. He best 'success' was "manager" of the Texas Rangers, but he was only a figurehead anyway and didn't really manage anything. He DID make millions from the sale of the team, after he and the other "management" convinced the taxpayers to foot the bill for a new stadium.
Obama had 10-12 years of state political experience before being in the U.S. Senate for the last 3.5 years.
So, the "experience" argument is bogus and erroneous.
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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You forget that Bush managed to leave Georgie Soros in the dust vis-a-vis oil company investment.
Oh...my bad. YOU thought Soros' bitter-sour grapes was all about ideology. Well, then. Now you know. Soros is nothing but a SOROS LOSER !!!!
I tear me up.
Stewy: Oh stuff it, Georgia. You act like Bush taking advantage of little Georgie SOROS LOSER is on par with Michele Obama taking advantage of poor blacks at the hospital on whose board she sits. You know very well it's perfectly alright to overcharge blacks whose healthcare bills are paid by taxpayers! Where did you think the Obamas learned firsthand exactly how broken the healthcare system is?
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
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"You forget that Bush managed to leave Georgie Soros in the dust vis-a-vis oil company investment."
Sorry you got that kind of wrong. should be
You forget that Bush managed to leave USA in the dust vis-a-vis oil company investment.
I tear me up....ROTFLMAO
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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please, 143 days active in the senate
Obama's work record:
After law school, Obama worked for church-based community action groups and tenants' rights organizations in poor Chicago neighborhoods.
Obama also says he passed up "Wall Street jobs" to "go to Chicago instead, helping neighborhoods devastated when steel plants closed." Howard Kurtz at the Washington Post points out that "Obama may have turned down Wall Street jobs after graduating from Columbia University in 1983, but he spent a year working for Business International Corp. in New York before becoming a community organizer in Chicago." But Obama's work at Business International Corporation, despite the fancy name, was by no means an investment banking job.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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The New York Times reports that the company was "a small newsletter-publishing and research firm, with about 250 employees worldwide, that helped companies with foreign operations ... understand overseas markets." Obama was a researcher and writer for the firm for about a year, after which he moved on to the New York Public Interest Research Group, a consumer protection and environmental reform organization.
He was in the Illinois senate for 8 years.
His critics say Mr. Obama could have accomplished much more if he had been in less of a hurry to leave the Statehouse behind. Steven J. Rauschenberger, a longtime Republican senator who stepped down this year, said: "He is a very bright but very ambitious person who has always had his eyes on the prize, and it wasn't Springfield. If he deserves to be president, it is not because he was a great legislator."
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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And you think McCain is a "great legislator"? He changes his mind at least twice a day on how he stands on any issue.
And Bush had only 6 years of "statehouse" experience, but I never see ANY of you complaining about that.
You can't use "no experience" as an excuse if you do not apply it consistently. You use it only when it is convenient.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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You wonderful McCain has missed far more days in the Senate than Obama.
Since Jan 6, 2005, McCain has missed 423 of 1240 votes - that is 34%.
That compares to 22% missed (268) by Obama in the SAME timeframe.
I'm sure you will attempt to come up with some sort of 'excuse' for why McCain has missed so many votes, including funding for the Iraq "war" and the FISA vote.
And since when does a potential President have to have experience working at an investment bank??
Bush couldn't even hold down a job in the private sector - he couldn't even run an oil company! But he became President.
Yes, Bush certainly got rich 'running' the Texas Rangers - was involved in a lovely deal to get a brand new stadium without paying anything for it and getting the local taxpayers foot the bill.
He has used the same 'style' to get the U.S. taxpayers to foot lots of the bills he has run up, not the least of which is the Iraq war.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Bush doesn't "preach" to the crowd - he LIES to the American people, over and over.
McCain is the one interested in "personal glory". He has sold his soul to become president and doesn't stand the same on ANY issues as he did in 2000.
McCain has already flip-flopped on so many issues that he could be a top act in a circus.
McCain will only be more of Bush, and judging by Bush's approval ratings, the American people do NOT want another "Bush" in the White House.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
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Well in my view, it would be because he does have a different approach to issues; some that while he was roasted a few months ago for stating, shrub is now implementing.
As I have said many times, USA is 2 dimensional, yes or no; black or white, Dem or Rep, and if anyone ventures into the grey they are flipping liberal commies.
Is he perfect? no but a new broom sweeps clean.
schill and McC are old brooms.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Hanna - you say different approaches.
So far the only unique information about him as been that he seems to believe in economic parity ( the rich should give to poor until all are equal, we should send 0.7% of our gross national product to sub-africa, and he wll revamp Bush's policies.)
This is not much of a winning platform.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Obama will get us OUT of Iraq.
Obama will get rid of tax cuts ONLY for the rich.
Obama will more actively pursue alternatives to dependency on oil.
Obama will stop the lies about torture and stop the torture.
Obama will stop the lies about extraordinary rendition and stop the extraordinary rendition.
Obama will support MORE funding for veterans.
Obama will support SCHIP and other programs to provide decent health care to children and to millions of Americans who have no insurance and cannot afford it.
Obama will stop the no-oversight, no-bid contracts and the uncontrolled hand-off of government work to "private contractors" that provide sub-standard, shoddy work that kills people (ala Halliburton and KBR and the electrocutions of soldiers in Iraq military facilities resulting from their "handiwork").
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in areas that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation. The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
* Ensure Community-Based Investment Resources in Every Urban Community: Obama will work with community and business leaders to identify and address the unique economic development barriers of every major metropolitan area. Obama will provide additional resources to the federal Community Development Financial Institution Fund, the Small Business Administration and other federal agencies, especially to their local branch offices, to address community needs.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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* Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.
# Help Americans Grab a Hold of and Climb the Job Ladder: Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.
# Create a Green Jobs Corps: Obama will create a program to directly engage disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency opportunities to strengthen their communities, while also providing them with practical skills in this important high-growth career field.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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mprove Transportation Access to Jobs: As president, Obama will work to ensure that low-income Americans have transportation access to jobs. Obama will double the federal Jobs Access and Reverse Commute program to ensure that additional federal public transportation dollars flow to the highest-need communities and that urban planning initiatives take this aspect of transportation policy into account.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Supports: Obama will work to ensure that ex-offenders have access to job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling, and employment opportunities. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program and reduce barriers to employment.
Make Work Pay for All Americans
* Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit: Obama will increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families.
* Create a Living Wage: Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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* Create a Living Wage: Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing.
* Provide Tax Relief: Obama will provide all low and middle-income workers a $500 Making Work Pay tax credit to offset the payroll tax those workers pay in every paycheck. Obama will also eliminate taxes for seniors making under $50,000 per year.
Strengthen Families
* Promote Responsible Fatherhood: Obama will sign into law his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to families instead of state bureaucracies.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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* Support Parents with Young Children: Obama will expand the highly-successful Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000 low-income, first-time mothers each year. The Nurse-Family Partnership provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families.
* Expand Paid Sick Days: Today, three-out-of-four low-wage workers have no paid sick days. Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year.
Increase the Supply of Affordable Housing
* Create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund: Obama will create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.
* Fully Fund the Community Development Block Grant: Obama will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program and engage with urban leaders across the country to increase resources to the highest-need Americans.
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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And you apparently have a problem with all this??
No wonder you support McCain. You apparently believe in the neocons true agenda, which is to have only the few very rich elite controlling all of the wealth and power while the vast majority of the rest of us live in poverty and in low wage jobs.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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read the poverty plan, from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/
Where is he going to get the money
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bubba21 year, 4 months ago
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Where did Bush get the money to pay for the Iraq "war" at TWO BILLION DOLLARS PER DAY?
I'll tell you - the country is now almost TEN TRILLION DOLLARS in debt. When Clinton left the White House, the national debt was at 5 trillion and the deficit (annual profit/loss for the government) didn't exist because there was a SURPLUS.
Bush has DOUBLED the national debt, ALL due to his glorious "war". He borrowed that money from Japan and China and other far east countries.
Apparently you have been in TOTAL AGREEMENT with Bush's "policies" and have supported the war. Our debt has doubled with money that has NOT benefited ANYONE in THIS country.
Obama's plans will spend FAR LESS money than Bush has spent in his 8 years in office. AND, that money will be spent on the people in THIS country to make OUR lives better.
So I really DO fail to understand how you can justify the support of war over the support of the people in OUR country.
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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"read the poverty plan, from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/ Where is he going to get the money"
Dubai has lots of cash...just put your dhimmitude credentials on the table and the deal's done.
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