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Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsIn an audio recording of Mr. Maliki's interview that Der Spiegel provided to The New York Times, Mr. Maliki stated a clear affinity for Mr. Obama's position, bringing it up on his own in an answer to a general question on troop presence.
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Aidenag1 year, 5 months ago
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There ya have it. Maliki said it word for word.. And all the stories giving statements that it isn't true come from the US military... Seems to me like Maliki spoke what he really felt, and he got scolded by the hand that feeds him until 2009...
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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As if there were any question.
Well ... some of our nation's more gullible can be dissuaded I guess what with all the Propaganda being stoked by Agents of Disinformation.
It was announced this morning on Good Morning America that al Maliki did indeed endorse Obama's plan.
Good Morning America!!
The same organization that gave Goerge W. Bush $640,000 to his 2000 campaign!!
MAN ALIVE! The WHOLE WORLD is fed up with the Iraq fiasco!
Well .. .not our nation's Neo-Conservatives ... they see war as a Product of the Economy.
See how Morally Vacant Neo-Conservatism is?
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NoWayMan1 year, 5 months ago
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you can read the interview in transcript form here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,151...
from the interview, verbatim:
SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?
MALIKI: As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.
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NoWayMan1 year, 5 months ago
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SPIEGEL: Is this an endorsement for the US presidential election in November? Does Obama, who has no military background, ultimately have a better understanding of Iraq than war hero John McCain?
Maliki: Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of US troops in Iraq would cause problems. Of course, this is by no means an election endorsement. Who they choose as their president is the Americans' business. But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited.
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Spinward1 year, 5 months ago
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Maybe I'm missing something, but this does not sound like an endorsement of Obama.
OF COURSE, he wants troops to leave his country, but THINK! Does he want them to leave before he can handle security? NO!!! Why, in the name of all that's holy, would a man ask for his country to be thrown into chaos?
"...short time periods are being more realistic." YES!!! This is NOT an endorsement of an "End the war. - Obama position." It's an endorsement of a "Let's win the war soon" position.
Wow.
Obama said the surge would fail and HE OPPOSED IT, then he said the situation is deteriorating, then he said that the surge has not worked, then he said we are worsening the situation with the surge... Now, he says (a year later) that the surge has made things better and violence has reduced due to the troops.
So, when was he right? You cannot lead with a rear-view mirror and no foresight.
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Sabretooth1 year, 5 months ago
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"But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited."
Oops, now they are going to force this guy to resign too. I think he may have just emboldened the terrorists.
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ADAGUY1 year, 5 months ago
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"Maliki spoke what he really felt, and he got scolded by the hand that feeds him"
Yer' gonna put Alpha into depression. Hell, she might even go psycho, man! What are you thinking about? Hell, you should know that publickins' can't stand facts!
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 5 months ago
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This translation was not quite as assertive as Der Spiegel's original translation. But, it's clear that Maliki did say he favored the general timeline and the quicker the better.
Out of curiousity, if the headline is that the NY Times is confirming Maliki's comments...why isn't the story linked to the NY Times rather that DailyKos?
Just wondering about that old middleman rule thingamabob.
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Aidenag1 year, 5 months ago
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I posted the Kos link, as it included a lot more to the piece then just the NYT article. That and the NYT article buried the real juicy part(that they translated it and came to same conclusion) way down in the article, and basically ignored that bit.
As for the Middleman rule, it is more for stories that are near identical, or 100% copies of an original source. Which this clearly is not. as it includes much more to it than what the NYT article has/said.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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I knew that Maliki's words had been correctly brought to the US news.
I have read Der Spiegel for years. It is a fiercely competent magazine, and I would sooner believe Der Mond ist auf Kase gemacht than that they would mistranslate a vital interview.
Especialy when it was recorded; and they stood by their story.
The Maliki 'denial' (the vague excuse given by an Iraqi government spokesman) was an after-thought; Maliki realized he had seriously stepped over his bounds.
This was a sort of test of the Emergency Spin machine of the republicans; not bad.
Just not good enough.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Amazing to see that the republican shill AG has managed to prompte her story to the top of propeller.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/20/...
Guess propeller/netscape/AOL/Time warner/ right wing corporate conservative for profit knows where the money is. It's in promoting controversy.
Why report the news, when you can make the news. And AG makes news. Stupid lying news, but news that stirrs up the slumbering idiots who love to spew ignorance in the face of objectivity.
What evangelical doesn't like to see the scientist, with his 3 degrees and a life time of study trashed by a preacher who dropped out of 3rd grade. Get the preacher on TV, split screen to argue against what ever the scientist is saying.....that sells TV Commercials.
Its the controversy. And AG is the tip of the ignorant spear. She knows how to whip up a good tent revival.
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tbkennedy531 year, 5 months ago
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Anti,
The right media? Please. What a crock. All three networks sent their anchors? This is nothing but a medai promotion of Barack. Anything reported on this trip, to me, is already suspect. The left media is making the news and not reporting it for sure.
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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Correction jordy.
The Libural Media claim is itself a con ... by CONSERVATIVES!!
I hate to tip the Christian Conservative hand on this issue ... but in the interest of fairness ... we Conservatives claim all media is biased against us ...
The result is that media is put on the defensive and begin to give our Right Wing Message EXTRA consideration.
That's really all we Conservatives want ... EXTRA consideration ... you know ... MEDIA WELFARE.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Well, incase your interested in fact, here's the rundown on the 100% right wing american media:
ABC/ Disney/ Eisner -held by banking cabal in Israel, hard right conservative pro-zionist, 100% for profit.
NBC/ General Electric/ Universal movie studios, MS (microsoft)NBC, 100% hard right conservative for profit.
CBS/ Westinghouse/ corporation, 100% for profit billion dollar corportation
Viacom cable and right wing radio empire, owner Sumner Redstone, member RJC, hard right zionist.
News Corp-largest media empire in the world, owner Murdock, hard right politics, unfiltered mouthpiece for pentagon, hired Rove, owner fox news, weekly standard (in the same building as the AEI, largest and richest most powerful think tank and neocon zionist central, myspace, 108 Australian tabloids, 5 major english newspapers. Roger Ailes RJC.
Clear Channel, radio and movie theater billion dollar hard extreamist right wing Texas Based owner, employer of michael savage and Drug Lamebaugh.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Citidel ABC radio, hard right wing pro-zionist (EIsner-Israel again) 100 million dollar contract with Faux news anchor and right wing radio hatemonger.
On and on, all 100% conservative, all 100% for profit, with the only mission to make as much money for the stockholders of all these multibillion dollar corporations and their corporate boards as possible.
If you are still believing the point of view tabloidism of the faux news that Roger Ailes, the hard right wing zionist on the board of AIPAC and RJC invented, then I have some Ocean Front Property at below market ARM for you.
BRAINWASHED republican fox news lemming gullible fullobullcrap right wing sophist relativist creationist less than moron suckers.
When you evengelical inbred red state idiots and middle brow brownnosing brownshirts vote republican, just roll up the consitution and wipe your chickenhawk arses with it, and welcome in the united states of Exon, one nation, by the rich, for the rich. Suckers.
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tbkennedy531 year, 5 months ago
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Nice post antibrainmatter. Of course you have to take personal shots and put biased notes in your post. The members are very much left and to deny it means you're not watching or listening or reading them. As to property did you get the deal from Dodd?
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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"NBC/ General Electric/ Universal movie studios, MS (microsoft)NBC, 100% hard right conservative for profit."
Oh ya...cause Countdown with Keith Olbermann is soooo conservative. Maybe he thinks that by being a diehard supporter of Obama and constantly bashing conservatives he can use reverse psychology to snag the repubs some votes.
It seems you use support of Israel as a link to being the right for most of those stations.....yet Obama said he is willing to do everything he can to protect Israel...so by your "logic" Obama is a hard right zionist?
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tbkennedy531 year, 5 months ago
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No left media? Where do you get that idea? Why are the three talking heads going with Obama? Why is the media not calling him to task on his lies? Why does he get a pass? WHy do the majority of people working for the networks send more dollars to the democrats?
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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The so called 'left' media gives 24/7 to perceived gaffes by Obama. Tell me, what attention have they paid to McCain's monumental flips? What attention did they give to the freak minister who supports McCain, and whose support McCain went after? Come on, you can't be this blind.
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tbkennedy531 year, 5 months ago
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What major media has been reporting 24/7 on Obamas gaffes? Not blind at all. They talked about Hagee quite a bit some time back but that does not compare to a mentor so no go with that. To try and spin that the media is 'right' is just not facing the facts. Why aren't they talking about his lies (not gaffes)?
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hamy1 year, 5 months ago
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I'm just saying that if you are going to call out one politician for lying and vilify him for it, then you should do so across the board.
And I think the examples of Bush's lies are very far reaching. I shouldn't have to point them out to you.
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tbkennedy531 year, 5 months ago
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I was talking about a specific candidate which is the subject of this thread. Far reaching lies is not an answer. Once again Bush is not running and McCain isn't Bush or his policies. Even if you keep saying it it doesn't make it true
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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tbkennedy, I'd be amazed if you could walk and chew gum, the way you are swallowing the Roger Alies point of view right wing bullsh*t. Liberal media? Where? Name one national news outlet that is anti-zionist, and not a billion dollar corporation, involving multible levels of corporate board owned and operated stock held entities.
Name one. IDIOT.
The liberal media is a myth invented by Roger Ailes, fox chairman, and hard right wing jew, board member of the RJC and AIPAC. IDIOT. He invented point of view journalism, and has the largest american news infotainment program there is.
And did you know, IDIOT, that Murdock, after he packages your right wing hate papulm propaganda for your consumption, he is cutting big checks for Obama? SUCKER.
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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It makes sense that Maliki would be backing Obama's plan. They have asked us to leave, after all, but a bird in the hand beats two in the bush, & Maliki is solely reliant on this administration for his continued 'power'. He can't very well bite the hand that feeds him & say anything positive that could slant our election to the administrations opponent. It's quite evident that pressure has been put on him to back peddle.
I don't know if there is a tape of his comments, but it would be nice if all this were put to rest. If there is a tape, it should be turned over to non political experts to analyze. (Although it's hard to believe that someone who speaks the language got it so wrong.)
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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''I don't know if there is a tape of his comments, but it would be nice if all this were put to rest.''
not necessarily
think of the 'wipe Israel off the map' misquote
I've seen that 'wipe Israel' quote used on here hundreds of times
the fact that Farsi experts say that it was 'regime must vanish from the page of time' or some such thing hasn't stopped the 'wipe Israel' misquote from flourishing
I'll even bet you a nickel you'll see it used on here repeatedly as soon as Iran comes back in the news
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KISA452a1 year, 5 months ago
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What exactly is the news here? Malaki and Obama and, incidentally McCain, all think American troops should leave Iraq when conditions permit... They all say the SAME thing... 18 months might be right, assuming conditions on the ground permit, in which case it would not be right and it might be sooner or later...
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CHAM1 year, 5 months ago
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Can you believe that the argument is whether Der Spiegel misintrepeted the statement , then when it is revealed that the interpreter misinterpreter Maliki's statement, then we drift off into everything else.
AG and all you Bush backers-when you are faced with the facts, stop trying to spin them. Just admit you're wrong. It will make you feel refreshed. I know from experience, because I had a Bush backer acquaintance tell me that when he saw the light, why hell, he felt so good, he broke out in a song praising Obama! What more proof do you want than that?
If you can't admit that Bush baby has been a disaster for America, how can you make a sound judgement about anything?
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Janeyre1 year, 5 months ago
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Maliki, must be slow... Didn't he observe how Colin Powell was set straight? He doesn't know how to play with the big boy's, I see. Now repeat after me:Obama is the presumptive Democrat... McCain is the presumptive Republican... You must say only positive things about the Republican guy, get it? Now repeat after me...
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