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Posted By Spadecaller 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsThis Spadecaller video features a speech delivered at Notre Dame by Governor Mario Cuomo (1983) on the subject of religious belief and public morality. The mixing of politics and religion have morphed into a dangerous morass. Which candidate and party does Jesus Christ endorse?
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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About the Video:
Featuring "Land of My Fathers" performed by the Welsh Choir, with paintings by Wm. Bouguereau, Salvador Dali, Michelangelo, J.W. Waterhouse, and Visual Arts by Spadecaller.
Since 1983, invoking the name of Jesus Christ for political endorsement has become routine strategy for political campaigns.
Has Jesus Christ become the "celestial party chairman"? Is the throne Democratic or Republican?
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 5 months ago
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No Jesus has a much higher ranking. I agree however that preachers and priest should not try to tell their members how to vote. And as far as I am concerned my neighbors, friends, relatives, and others shouldn't tell me how to vote either...I like to figure that out myself. :)
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 5 months ago
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ANC:
I left churches for the right wing or left wing sentiment.
I go to church to worship God the Trinity.
Not to hear about mans political answers.
It seems to me Jesus rebuked all those who put their political views into play, when he said no man is holy only God.
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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As Mario Cuomo well stated, this applies to ALL religions. Of course, as I would expect, posting this video provides anti-Semites an opportunity for their cheap shots at me and/at Israel; and I would expect nothing better from you on the subject.
Hate and bigotry is quite predictable; isn't it?
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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What is anti-semite about posting the views of an israeli jew, spade? Do you agree with him or do your platitudes here only apply when your religion is the minority?
Here is an american jew who espouses much the same as you are claiming here - surely you agree with her?
Personally I agree with both of you - what you espouse applies to both Israel and America.
The End Of Israel?
By Hannah Mermelstein
I am feeling optimistic about Palestine.
I know it sounds crazy. How can I use "optimistic" and "Palestine" in the same sentence when conditions on the ground only seem to get worse?...
...We can never forget these things and the daily suffering of the people, and yet I dare to say that I am optimistic. Why? Ehud Olmert. Let me clarify. Better yet, let's let him clarify:
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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"The day will come when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights. As soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished."
That's right, the Prime Minister of Israel is currently trying to negotiate a "two-state solution" specifically because he realizes that if he doesn't, Palestinians might begin to demand, en masse, equal rights to Israelis. Furthermore, he worries, the world might begin to see Israel as an apartheid state. In actuality, most of the world already sees Israel this way, but Olmert is worried that even Israel's most ardent supporters will begin to catch up with the rest of the world....
I am optimistic not because I think the process of ethnic cleansing and apartheid in Israel/Palestine is going to end tomorrow, but because I can feel the ideology behind these policies beginning to collapse.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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For years the true meaning of political Zionism has been as ignored as its effects on Palestinian daily life. And suddenly it is beginning to break open. Olmert's comments last week are reminiscent of those of early Zionist leaders who talked openly of transfer and ethnic cleansing in order to create an artificial Jewish majority in historic Palestine.
So this idea of a "two-state solution" a la Olmert -- which I would argue provides neither a "state" nor a "solution" for the Palestinian people -- is the new transfer. It is no longer popular in the world to openly discuss expulsion (though there are political parties in Israel that advocate this), but Olmert hopes that by creating a Palestinian "state" on a tiny portion of historic Palestine, he can accomplish the same goal: maintaining an ethno-religious state exclusively for the Jewish people in most of historic Palestine.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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His plan, as all other plans Israeli leaders have tried to "negotiate," ignores the basic rights of the two-thirds of the Palestinian population who are refugees. They, like all other refugees in the world, have the internationally recognized right to return to their lands and receive compensation for loss and damages. This should not be up for negotiation.
So why am I optimistic? Why do I think Olmert will fail, if not in the short term, at least in the long term? There are many signs....
... So when Olmert warns that we will "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights" and that "the state of Israel [will be] finished," I get a little flutter of excitement. I think of the 171 Palestinian organizations who have called on the international community to begin campaigns of boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel until Israel complies with international law.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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This is already a South African-style struggle, and we outside of Palestine need to do our part. Especially those of us who live in the US, the country that gives Israel more than $10 million every single day, must take responsibility for the atrocities committed in our name and with our money.
Ultimately, this is our role as Americans. It is to begin campaigns in our churches, synagogues, mosques, universities, cities, unions, etc. It is not to broker false negotiations between occupier and occupied, and it is not to muse over solutions the way I have above. But one can dream. And as a Jewish-American, I know that while it might be scary to some, while it will require a lot of imagination, the end of Israel as a Jewish state could mean the beginning of democracy, human rights, and some semblance of justice in a land that has almost forgotten what that means.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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(Hannah Mermelstein is co-founder and co-director of Birthright Unplugged, which takes mostly Jewish North American people into the West Bank to meet with Palestinian people and to equip them to return to their own communities and work for justice; and takes Palestinian children from refugee camps to Jerusalem, the sea, and the villages their grandparents fled in 1948, and supports them to document their experiences and create photography exhibits to share with their communities and with the world.)
http://www.countercurrents.org/mermelstein22120...
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Well, sounds "progressive" Spade. I assume that this also applies when jews invoke religion for political purposes and that you now agree with this israeli jewish author?
Why Israel Has No "Right to Exist" as a Jewish State
Religion â;; The Annapolis meeting is a con. We should say loud and clear that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. To claim such a right to be racist must come from a being whose victim's face must hide very dark primordial aggression and hatred of all others.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/11/21/...
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Great video, Spade!
Of course no religious authority nor group should direct the faithful towards or away from a candidate or candidates; but of course many do and will, if in subtle ways.
And of course pandering to religious outfits is a consistent theme as elections draw near; voters are defined in terms of faith-blocks (like the religious right, who aren't, as far as I know, Taoists), and thus the line between politics and faith becomes blurred.
In a better world, no candidate would seek the votes of nor campaign to religious groups as groups. I don't think doing this by "touching all bases," by visiting every religious group, is the way to go either.
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uncle-dave1 year, 5 months ago
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It doesn't seem that long ago that John F. Kennedy had to reassure the electorate that his religious beliefs wouldn't effect the way he governed. Anyone that is seeking public office today has to proclaim their religious beliefs before the public would even consider voting for them.
Personally I believe that public officials should be sworn in on a copy of the Constitution not the bible.
Another nice piece of work SC! I agree with rdy2rck I like choir music too!
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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A better characterization might be that since zoroastrians were the first monotheists, jews, christians and moslems copied much of their religious tenets from zoroastrianism. Of course, it doesn't represent the polytheistic or animistic religions at all, which are still a major proportion of mankind.
It does have attractive points - indeed one might say that the subsequent monotheistic religious represent a degradation of zoroastrianism.
ZOROASTRIANISM
A Universal Religion: Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds
Zarathushtra's is a message about a spirituality that progresses towards self-realization, fulfillment and completeness, as a good creation of a totally good God. It is a message of freedom - freedom to choose, freedom from fear, freedom from guilt, freedom from sin, freedom from stultifying rituals, superstitious practices, fake spirituality and ceremonials.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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The God of Zarathustra, is not a God of "Thou shalt" and "Thou shall not". God in Zoroastrianism does not care what you wear, what and when you eat or where and when you worship. God instead cares how righteous, progressive and good you are.
1. God is not about fear guilt and Condemnation.
2. God is Wisdom Love and Logic.
3. God does not have favorites and does not discriminate on the basis of nationality sex, race or class.
4. God treats humans with dignity and respect.
5. God is not a slave master, or despot, among his serfs.
6. God is man's Soul Mate and Partner.
7. God is not Jealous, Wrathful or Vengeful.
8. Man is not sinful, fallen or depraved.
9. God has no opponent and heaven and hell are states of mind and being.
10. Man was created to progress to likeness and eliminate wrong from the Cosmos in partnership with God.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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The Zoroastrian Religion pictures humanity as the growing and evolving creation of a God that respects it, and wants it to collaborate in the task of preserving, nourishing, fostering and refreshing this Living World of ours.
http://www.zoroastrianism.cc/universal_religion...
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Lincoln851 year, 5 months ago
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hyperbola...God cares how righteous, progressive and good you are?...how infantile is that. The Bible says no one is righteous, no not one. It only matters how good your are?...even Jesus said that works without faith are null and void. Heaven and hell are states of mind? Man was to be in partnership with God?...like we are equals? God does not discriminate against anyone if they repent their sins...the same sins the Son of God died for us and gave us the only true gift ever in the history of the world...the gift of salvation.
I would agree that God does not have a political party...God is holy and way beyond the pettiness of parties...if you read the Bible you will see your ten points are a theological slap in the face of the real God. God is love, but he speaks to man and encourages him to accept him. The wrath will happen in the end times or in response to sin.
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imarketing4s1 year, 5 months ago
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I always thought Jesus was the best politician come public speaker we had. His predecessors are just jumping the bandwagon.
It's surprising how this antiquated debate still exists after centuries of conflict. Faith is their common ground, just trying to exert influence where it can be exerted. They want to be on the winning side, cant really blame them.
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