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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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Well now they've got you buried on page 32.
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I actually reached it by going through all the pages..
Are these guys NUTS or what???
In my 13 years on the Internet I have almost never seen such a dog's bollocks of a mess.
They had something absolutely brilliant going - not flawless but some OUTSTANDING contributors, with some murky ones thrown in for good measure but THIS is SH**-
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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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Well now they've got you buried on page 32.
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I actually reached it by going through all the pages..
Are these guys NUTS or what???
In my 13 years on the Internet I have almost never seen such a dog's bollocks of a mess.
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humemacdonald1 year, 5 months ago
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I agree gamahuche. I said to Sumptuous last night that unless substantial changes are made I don't think I will be checking back in. very often. Although I have been busy lately, I always popped in here and there. In fact I was looking forward to getting "caught up" here during my break- I was missing the great chats.
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Alas, that plan has been scrubbed. If my friends start migrating to another site, just drop me a line to let me know where you are all hanging out. :( -
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Mdiar1 year, 5 months ago
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Heck, Gama, I hope that my music submission wasn't among the spam! Though I agree, as good as the song was and the fact that it did get close to forty props from real members, it didn't deserve to be on the front page for over ten hours!
Okay, I've noticed you are particularly stringent on one complaint and its a good one. The PMing feature seems to have been removed. I don't believe this is the case; it appears to me its merely been moved. To PM enter the person's profile you wish to PM and in the upper left hand corner of the screen an option to Send Message should exist. That should let you send a PM to that member.
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ipodwheels1 year, 5 months ago
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I think they are doing some fixing of the problems right now. I just wish they have beta tested it first. Anyway, I have made a redesign, so the guys up at the Prop office won't accuse us of just complaining and not giving any solutions. Check it out guys and lets give them a piece of our minds.
P.S. here's the link to the story.
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/07/24/how-the-propeller-design-should-have-been/
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smithichie1 year, 5 months ago
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I am reminded by George Harrison's song, "All Things Must Pass" and I can't help but feel the loyal users of the former Propeller are being treated much like poor George was. In other words, pushed to the side with our input ignored.
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JamesMarcus1 year, 5 months ago
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While there are plenty of bad things to say about the redesign (and they are all getting said), I did want to make two points. First, we are definitely listening to every scrap of member feedback--in the threads, feedback inbox, site mail, and email. Our dev team is already revisiting certain features and we will be restoring some of the deleted ones very soon. We understand your frustration, and hope you will stick around long enough to give Prop 2.0 a fair shake after its bumpy debut. There are some gains here (Propeller Search, Groups, and what is projected to be a major performance upgrade, once the dust settles) and we are determined to fix bugs at record. Oh, and just for the record, nobody deliberately removed any of the earlier anti-Propeller stories. It has never been our policy to quash criticism. It looks like a spam-suppression feature may have glommed onto certain comments and stories by accident. We are fixing that right now, and it will not happen again.
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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James,
I'm willing to hang around for a while to see if things improve.
I have to ask: Were all the wholesale changes made necessary? I certainly do not mind a new look and the features you mentioned are nice additions. But couldn't the previous format have been tweaked to accommodate those additions?
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smithichie1 year, 5 months ago
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A moral lesson the folks who run Propeller could have used before launching this mess.
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Here's a few of those lessons that were obviously 'overlooked'.
• It's the community, stupid.
• Many players don't experience a persistent online world as "a game." They experience it as "my life." An online world's hardcore players view themselves as citizens. Some want to be good citizens, some bad, but the entire core wants to believe they belong to something permanent.
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amazed1 year, 5 months ago
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Especially when there was little warning. One day I had about a bajillion friends and the next --none. Not a huge deal, because I basically just communicated with them on the threads and I have a real life, but what about those for whom Propeller was their major social outlet?
Again, the missing "my participation" link and the inability to see beyond the first 25 comments make this site nearly useless for its intended purpose -- a discussion of issues.
I'll give it a week, but I am actively looking for other places to comment.
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alakazam1 year, 5 months ago
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I wanna share a link to a story about what happens when you make subscribers unhappy and then ignore and attempt to silence them.
A moral lesson, if you will.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_101/560-Blowing-Up-Galaxies
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MikeWesner1 year, 5 months ago
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Hello, Participation is now activity on the sidebar (from your profile link). It appears you have 65 friends, 7 idols, 282 fans. idols are people you added but have not added you, and fans are people who have friend requested you, but you have not added them...etc. Friends are mutual adds. You do have your privacy settings set so most people can not see your friends.
We have fixed the comment paging issue also.
Thanks for being patient with us. Please let us know if you run into any more issues.
-Mike (prop developer)
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MikeWesner1 year, 5 months ago
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Hello, Participation is now activity on the sidebar (from your profile link). It appears you have 65 friends, 7 idols, 282 fans. idols are people you added but have not added you, and fans are people who have friend requested you, but you have not added them...etc. Friends are mutual adds. You do have your privacy settings set so most people can not see your friends.
We have fixed the comment paging issue also.
Thanks for being patient with us. Please let us know if you run into any more issues.
-Mike (prop developer)
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RickyDawkins1 year, 5 months ago
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The stories are starting to look better, and it seems less ********** to load the pages than it was before. Odd quirk in the message center, anything I write all gets pushed together into one paragraph. For example:
This. would.
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Looking like this:
This. would. end. up.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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I did a spoof about Obama s*elling things with his logo on it amd it was considered spam because the few words like B- uy and others were there.
So if you ain't B- uying a debate on here you misght want to use another term,
I thought the community did a pretty good job of telling the staff about spammers. Now we have become the spam of we use the wrong words in a post.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 5 months ago
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I would hate to see any of you guys go, we have had some good conversations and even fights on here. I am staying and I am asking all of you to do the same...this is just new and most people don't like change, however, if nospindave or libsrfun or Ag or any of my friends on the left were to leave this wouldn't be the same experience. Propeller please get this corrected and soon. My Plead to all of you it to give them at lease a month after all they have really been good to us and James deserves better he is really a good person...well he did get last weeks review totally wrong by not mentioning Tony Snow but where else can you rip a guy like James and have him say hi the next day and joke with you like nothing happened. NO I AM NOT BEING PAID...while i disagree with lots of you on here it doesn't mean I hate or dislike any of you. Truth is i enjoy each and every one of you. So please give it some time!
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chevydog1 year, 5 months ago
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This is probably going to take some getting used to. Suspect that there are some "tricks" that nobody knows that will make it work better. The old site had it shortcomings-- randomized placement of posts, etc. ; but this verion seems to go out of its way to aggravate. Rather than an official bug-swatter, think that this will require unbanning DDT, an army of programmers, and several psychiatrists.
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tanglang1 year, 5 months ago
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What can I say? This sucks. Over the last couple years I have grown to love propeller as well as it's members. Even the rabid libs that I would fight with to what seemed like no end. You will all be missed. I really hate that it has come to this but I have no interest in attempting to navigate this abortion of a news site. Anyone wishing to contact me knows what site I will now be on. So unless I find out that things here are once again back to normal, this will be my last post. And I will leave you with this.
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Mutainia1 year, 5 months ago
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HannibalBarca1 year, 5 months ago
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Sorry to see you go tang, but I feel the same way; this is a crock of ****, and if the word **** is censored then obviously when those powers in charge can use that word in an article, but I can't, then there is no value no value in our thoughts.
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
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As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)-
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
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As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)-
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
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As much as we argue and bloody each other verbally (what fun!!) I will miss you if you go. Heck, who will I have to kick around anymore? (smile)
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JamesMarcus1 year, 5 months ago
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Okay, the commenting mechanism has now started to improve. I know that for a fact, because I was unable to comment myself until about 15 minutes ago. Now look for a revised and streamlined comment format, and the return of a few other cherished features. We really are working on this stuff, as fast as possible.
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amazed1 year, 5 months ago
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okay, but why did you launch this without announcing that the day was here ? We just came on and BANG! I thought I was at the wrong URL with a site that was still under construction. It doesn't look finished.
Why launch when you knew (or should have known) there were still such obvious glitches -- the inability to post, the inability to go beyond the first page of comments.
You kept telling the community how great the new Propeller was going to be. I thought you were going to address such issues as the random placement of posts, the double comments, the double words at the line wrap, the pokiness of the page loading. Instead, there is a totally new (and not particularly attractive) interface, everyone's avatars are gone, everyones' friends are gone, everyone's history is gone. How did you think this would result in a warm reception?
I admit that I am not on the site 24/7 so perhaps I missed the user surveys asking us what we liked about Propeller and what we felt needed improvement.
Or, perhaps like the liberal politics that Propeller is obviously skewed towards, you just believed you knew better about what we would want and need than we did.
This re-vamping might very well have been a really good idea, but, boy the execution of it is a true fiasco.
The only way for change to work is to make the people most affected by the change believe they own it. This was SO foisted upon us, that now, in addition to having to get your users learn how to navigate the changes, you have overwhelming resistance to overcome.
Good job, James.
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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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I agree with your list AG, EXCEPT for emoticons and moving whatevers..
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Oh - and I'd like to see lol and its various offspring and derivatives get bleeped into permanent exile.
All methods of shortchanging reality are potentially toxic. :)
Except that one!
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Melbatross71 year, 5 months ago
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Or as usual - could blame the "fundies".
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There really should have been some instructions as to purpose of design. It really seems a bit of a mess....BUT.......don't totally give up. I only had to take off half a day to figure the entry into this schumozel. I actually see some merits to the design and as with all new changes...WE HATE EM'.......but eventually get used to the different approach and deal with it. -
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canadianrancher571 year, 5 months ago
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I have never been a quitter and have grown to enjoy the comments and personalities of the propeller members , so to make it short and sweet I will not jump ship just yet and I hope that those who I have come to enjoy will make the effort as well. I thought that the site really sucked this morning but am trying to get familiar with the new format.
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Those who I have come to admire on here may not share beliefs on alot of topics but I feel most are strong enough to give this a try. For those of you who decide that this is not your thing I would like to thank you for your comments and ideas in the past and it has been indeed a pleasure to know you even if we have never met . I wish all of you the best in your lives and wish now that I had made an effort to get to know some of you better . Once Again to those who are leaving Thanks for the moment.-
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agrovertic1 year, 5 months ago
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This is not good really not good,anyway criticism for building is good and encourage but if the criticism is something condemn it not healthy..come on grow guys
http://moneymaker-affiliate.blogspot.com/rss.xml
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JJman1 year, 5 months ago
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I don't understand why they implemented this lame new design without asking the users! The administrators probably think that most Propeller users are aged 6-12. Otherwise I can't explain why they put that Cartoon-styled dork as a maskot of the website. Propeller users are serious people who don't need a cartoon design.
I believe that now most people will leave for other social websites that don't treat their visitors like children.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago
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IF this comment shows up, I'll be shocked! I don't even know how many comments since this monstrosity format has come to life.
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I HATE it! I keep waking up hoping I'll see the REAL Propeller return with all the people I've come to enjoy their views and all. I left another group I had been involved with for a long time because of such a drastic change, and that wasn't even as bad as this one. Why completely change something that was working so nicely? seems everything has a few bugs to work out, but that's life, you don't scrap it and start over. I can't upload an avatar either and many other things. yeah...my opinion? this totally sucks, and I feel lost here. -
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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I have only been around propeller for a year and a half. I started participating on the old Netscape.com and stayed with propeller. But is new format is not very user friendly and it has more glitches than the old format. I have tried numerous times since Tuesday to post comments and NOTHING has posted. Most times when I have attempted, I got that ridiculous “500 message.” And when I didn’t get that and thought I had posted, my comment was “lost in the ether!” In fact, according to my profile page, I have NO RECENT ACTIVITY!
Why did these website designers throw the baby out with the bathwater?
I certainly hope the “brains” behind this change will take some constructive criticism. Please bring back the old propeller and make some subtle changes to THAT format (for example: I DO like the idea of groups of interest).
If propeller doesn’t revert back or to a more user-friendly format, I will go somewhere else. The freinds I’ve made on propeller will need to send me an e-mail at easterlyscott@aim.com or find me on another website yet to be determined.
This really is so sad and it did NOT have to be this way…..
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lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago
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and another thing, when I go to the next 25 comments, every time I rate a comment, it goes to a page saying you've rated this comment - or + yeah I know!!! then I have to hit the back page and it goes back to the first 25 comments.
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This is all VERY aggravating, does Propeller think we all want to spend time finding our way around, looking for our friends, trying to navigate through this unknown territory? you should have also changed the name, it's completely different. I'm going to REALLY miss everyone here.......propeller has up and moved everyone from a nice comfortable community neighborhood, to a city in a different state, like a tornado came and just up and moved everything and rearranged the whole town. SAD
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lvrofwolves1 year, 5 months ago
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and another thing, when I go to the next 25 comments, every time I rate a comment, it goes to a page saying you've rated this comment - or + yeah I know!!! then I have to hit the back page and it goes back to the first 25 comments.
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This is all VERY aggravating, does Propeller think we all want to spend time finding our way around, looking for our friends, trying to navigate through this unknown territory? you should have also changed the name, it's completely different. I'm going to REALLY miss everyone here.......propeller has up and moved everyone from a nice comfortable community neighborhood, to a city in a different state, like a tornado came and just up and moved everything and rearranged the whole town. SAD
sometimes my comments post, sometimes not, but I'm not voting anymore because I keep getting bumped back to the beginning after I do.
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agrovertic1 year, 5 months ago
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This is not good really not good,anyway criticism for building is good and encourage but if the criticism is something condemn it not healthy..come on grow guys
http://moneymaker-affiliate.blogspot.com/rss.xml
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Lanowen1 year, 5 months ago
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Yeah that is pretty sad.
Let me repeat myself:
Wrong:
-Colours; Blue and Red don't go together, and you can use more coloures and tones than that, just look at the variety of tones now. Sad.
-Logo; What is this thing, some kind of AOL Bacteria Virus? That is what it makes me think of. Bring back the propeller, for propeller.com. Makes sense?
-Pictures, the only real picture you have is some black and white AOL CEO or something, just go back to the old layout, it did things right with images and stuff.Right:
-Nothing.I think this was to try to dissociate AOL with Netscape. Why? Netscape was good, that is probably why half the people came here, it was the last thing they had left. Now, they make it more AOLish, I really feel like leaving, especially with the loss of satisfaction and functionality. I wonder how this crap happened.
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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I have posted this twice as a reply to Tanglang, and I have NO idea where the heck either one of them went, so here you go, Tang:
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Dang, Tang! I hate this format, too and have said so! But, I'm willing to have a little patience and give 'em a chance to see the error of their ways. All new systems have to be tweaked. As frustrated as I've been, I've decided to calm down and give 'em a chance to address the issues I've raised.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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I'm going to be Bold and see if a post will show up after the enormous amout of less than 150 posts have been offered.
Bring back the pages and the My Comments function. I've been known to post 80 times in a thread,,,, I liked being able to keep up with the replies.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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I’ve spent too much time building relationships here friendly and not so friendly to give up in a day. I’ll give it a week. I tried to load my photo and I guess I messed up my one shot? Marcus I really would like the chance to load a photo, and yeah even change it from time to time if I have the hankering.
Like I said, I have good friends here; I even have those that know me so well they just drive by neg my often ‘brilliant’ post lol. Anyway, here’s to the good the bad the ugly, the left middle and right. To the sycophants on both sides; I hope this fix is swift fix with the old and new balanced out. BTW the lil cartoon guy is the least of your problems, right now it fairly appropriate.
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vor1 year, 5 months ago
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Seeing some improvement but it is improvement to a poorly designed end product. When they took away the ability to navigate by page and removed the ability to see your own Recent Comments they essentially destroyed the process. If there are 500 comments on a story it takes a ridiculous amount of time to see the latest comments. Why bother? Fine to make changes but be aware of the consequences. It's like they put this out without any Q/A or input from anyone who actually uses Propeller. Inexcusable, I hope someone is reading these complaints. If I had an income based on this site being used I would be working 24 hour days to get it fixed. Otherwise it will become a wasteland.
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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So why is it when everyone talks about big brother, they claim it's the evil conservatives when it's almost always a lefty. Free speech only counts when it's protecting their stand on an issue.
As to function, it seems like they've finally solved a few problems. But the format still sucks. What did they do? Have a jr. high kid design this minimalist piece of garbage?
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Mdiar1 year, 5 months ago
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Okay, my experiment is in response to gama (I get the White Text Box of Doom when I try to reply). I'm posting this to see if it appears here and if so then I will have another explanation of the commenting system all ready to explain to why you can't view the Next 25 comments at the moment.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Gam, and others:
I was told that the prob with being able to view only the first fifty comments in any thread is being worked on.
Ditto the absence of any activity on members Activity pages.
One problem, perhaps not mentioned, as that the new look lacks visual variety--those little story pictures, even if clipart, helped to define the pages in an interesting way.
One good thing about the re-do--it's brought "friend" and "foe" together. Who knew that I'd feel a pang at Tang's sign-off?
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joeblowe1 year, 5 months ago
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3rd day - still not favorably impressed. Still suffering disbelief that someone would put something up live that has SOOOOOooooooo many problems. Conventional wisdom is that you test your software BEFORE you release it for use. And although James has allowed as how they have done this and that, and are trying to work out bugs and flaws, there doesn't seem to be any explanation of WHY the sudden radical change. Instead of some updating and upgrading, it's a COMPLETELY different thing. It's kind of like swapping out a spreadsheet for a word processor. Some of the same functions can be accomplished, but it's not convenient, it's not clear, it's not familiar. It's an error.
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Mdiar1 year, 5 months ago
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Okay, it was a success (the experiment that is)! Gama, it appears to me that the way the coding works is that replies to comments are not considered comments for the "Next 25" option. Therefore, we have maybe 40 "comments" and loads of things classified as replies. Or, and this is another possibility, we have loads of stuff removed as "spam" that is not counting towards the comment total with regards to how many times you have to proceed to the next 25 but is still being displayed in total number of comments. Either way it seems you CAN view the full thread and if you still can't go to the RSS Feed (little orange box with three curved white lines).
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Skeptic1 year, 5 months ago
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Goodbye. Maybe I will check back in a week or so.
Propeller, this was a very poor execution and launch of a revised product. I think before you start a new project that you hire a manager that knows how to oversee and launch that project. This release is worse than if Microsoft had introduced it.
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Natureboy1 year, 5 months ago
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I have this to say to Propeller's software developers -
Do this in proper order -
Debug first, then go live.
If you do not follow this practice IN ORDER people will want to string you up. Debugging live is weenie for Micro$oft and it's weenie when you do it, too.
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