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Posted By populist 1 year, 4 months ago in Business & FinanceThe fiasco some people call the "war on drugs" is proof positive that most people learn nothing from history. What happened when the government outlawed the sale of alcohol? It created organized crime, vast organizations that smuggled booze into the country and set up wholesale and retail distribution of it.
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populist1 year, 4 months ago
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I'm sure someone is profiting - either the politicians directly, or those that back them...and keep them in office. I'm not sure if closing the border has anything to do with the idiocy and immorality of the drug war, though...
either way, something's pretty rotten in d.c.
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protoham1 year, 4 months ago
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I would not say it is Bush, this has been going on for decades. Just think, the DEA would be out of a job, much of the FBI would be out of a job, this would remove a lot of work on the Coast Guard too and last but not least, the Drug dealers would be out of a job. I am all for making all drugs legal. Let the people who feel they need them have all they want, hopefully this will get rid of a few. Tax em and spend the money on education and treatment if they want it. You should not need a prescription to get any drugs.
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populist1 year, 4 months ago
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not a bad idea at all. Personally, I'd prefer no taxes going to the federal government at all - it doesn't deserve any of our income in any way. Now, if states want to tax these sales, I still wouldn't be a big fan, but at least the solution is more localized...
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populist1 year, 4 months ago
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that, i don't doubt at all. But, that whole situation wouldn't even have existed if it weren't for this awful war on drugs.
When drugs aren't pushed to the black market, there's no need for smugglers...and that situation wouldn't have happened.
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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The War on Drugs is a fiasco and failed policy. The drug war generates a lot of income and jobs for law enforcement and fills our prisons with non-violent recreational drug users. Well the US is first in one thing - highest per capital incarceration in the world.
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Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago
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Not a strong as the Prison Industrial Complex. These were the folks supporting all the recent 'three strikes' and mandatory sentencing legislation. It's a multi-billion-dollar industry.
Privatizing prisons has to be in the top five stupidest ideas list. Making a profit off of locking more and more people up for longer and longer periods of time? Who'd a' thunk the industry would lobby for harsher sentencing, greater criminalization, and less rehabilitation? The latter being the most heinous: the more recidivism, the greater the profit!
The US leads the world in per capita incarceration rates: "The United States has less than 5% of the world’s population, but we incarcerate 25% of all the prisoners in the world. We leave China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, and all the other nations we like to look down our noses at far in the dust."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2729853
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PainGoddess1 year, 4 months ago
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How about saving the government a lot of money and just start lining up those A***holes and shooting them (on the other side of the border of course....)
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or send them and their Heroin back to Afganistan....make the crack dealers/makers take all of the drug in their possession when they catch them???-
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 4 months ago
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"make the crack dealers/makers take all of the drug in their possession when they catch them???"
Now I like that!!!! Make them consume everything they poses and let God decide if they live or die. It would save billions of dollars in the justice system.
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tbkennedy531 year, 4 months ago
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The dollars going to all the law enforcement and prison officials will never accept legalization without a popular overthrow of the laws. I send notes to my Senators and rep. every month. It is such a waste. All it did with alcohol was make the Kennedys' a fortune when it was repealed.
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unome21 year, 4 months ago
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The United States Government has been involved in the drug trade for many years and in many ways. While most were pardoned by Bush 1 let's not forget the illregal contra war on Nicaroguua which our shadow government funded with the sale of cocaine,
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Google mena airport { probably how Clinton became Pres.]
The poppy crops were all but irraticated in Afganistan by theTaliban until we invaded and now they are up and in full bloom, business as usual,
Making victimless crimes illegal breeds corruption,
Police, judges and politicions , Military ,border guards and prison guards are fall victim to corruption.
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moneyminds1 year, 4 months ago
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There is no War on Drugs, only a War on certain people the gov't wants to institutionalize. The people the majority of the people incarcerated are not the ones brining it into the country, amazingly. They don't want to stop the flood of drugs into America, this is BIG BUSINESS. They can't even find Bin Laden, one man, so to win the war on drugs---they are already winning, at least MONETARILY----Socioeconomically we are losing.
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DoseASpinoza1 year, 4 months ago
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I find it astonishing that of all the beneficiaries and lobbyists mentioned here, nobody has brought up the drug companies. Make no mistake, these people don't want you to be able to grow a drug in your garden that would replace expensive prescription drugs like oxycontin.
If you want to see how much money they (or any other industry) is spending on politicians, just go to opensecrets.org.
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chevydog1 year, 4 months ago
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This is pretty much a standard type article for the subject. I've even said the same things myself sometimes in ages past. As a sort of devil's advocate/contrarian I'd like to pose some questions:
(1) Is it possible that most people believe that Prohibition was right, but just not with alcohol? That is, this problem is with "drugs" as "'drugs" and not with the concept of government being able to enact laws regulating behavior?
(2) Many "studies" are made, some of IMHO rather arcane and irrelevant subjects. It's an article of faith that the drug-supplying organizations would dry up if drug use were legalized. Has anyone done any studies that compare e.g. the amount of alcohol bootlegging in "state Store" states as opposed to those that are not? That would at least give some numbers to hang a hat on. Personally, I don't think the comparison with Prohibition will ever be anything but a broad talking point.
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