What Good is the Second Amendment Without the Other Nine? »

Posted By jovial 1 year, 4 months ago in News

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Wrapping up their 2008 session with a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court ended 200 years of silence on a fundamental constitutional issue by striking down the Washington DC handgun ban.

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    populist1 year, 4 months ago

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    nice post, jovial!

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      nightcrawlerX1 year, 4 months ago

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      I'll tell you what good the Second Amendment is without the other nine is, it is totally wicked! You get a slick awesome gun and can shoot it and stuff. Awesome! Guns! YEAH! WHOOOO! Lets put more weapons in a city that had suffered one of the highest murder rates in America. GUNS!

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      Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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      All the Amendments are important and should be protected, including the Fourth.

      "If the founders meant to confer an individual right to bear arms, why did they begin by highlighting how important a citizen militia is to a free state, and conversely what a danger large standing armies (like we have today) pose to liberty?"

      I stringently disagreed with this logic though it had little to do with the Op-Ed as a whole. Actually, I find the whole logic in this sentence to be self defeating. The author was venting here, I think.

      Overall, I agree. Those who support the Second Amendment should also wonder why the government gets to outlaw drugs if they can't outlaw guns... neither ban works and it seems awfully presumptuous of the government to state what I can or cannot put into my body or possess. Or other activities the government engages in.

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      jsimeon11 year, 4 months ago

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      DID YOU BUCKLE UP TODAY ?? How many new laws and bans are we to expect because of the ignorant or or sophomoric? Maybe the fathers of this country were dummies trying to impress England and each other? Are you impressed with our nation? Or are you still finger pointing and belly-aching waiting for the non-existent "System" or the fictitious Government to resolve all your problems? How many times do you need to hear that where citizens have guns, crime is lower ? Maybe the news of All the unarmed, innocent, law-abiders that have been murdered haven't reached you yet! Where are the "Jedi" when you need them? Ridiculous!

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        Charlson1 year, 4 months ago

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        The Admendments to our Constitution were made too insure Americans certain rights beyond that described in the Bill of Rights. Congress, allowing warrentless wiretapping, is just as guilty of shredding our Constitution as the President.

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        willottica1 year, 4 months ago

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        The article seems mostly focused on the fourth, but Mr. Fried fails to explain his conclusion that wiretapping falls under Fourth Ammendment protection.

        "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

        In a wire-tap. No "persons, houses, papers, nor effects" are being searched nor seized. The ammendment does not cover communications. Obviously, this was a non-issue at the time it was ratified... but that's the whole point of ammendments, you can add more when a need arises.
        The Eleventh Ammendment: "The Fourth Ammendment shall also protect against wiretaps and listening devices" has never been introduced.

        As much as you may WANT phone-calls to be protected by the Fourth, it doesn't specifically (or even implicitly, IMHO) protect them.

        The message here: don't assume you have privacy in information you broadcast through public means. What the Fourth SHOULD do, is guarantee your freedom from harassment if they overhear something embarrassing (but non-criminal).

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        cowboygrandpa1 year, 4 months ago

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        The founding fathers knew well the reasons for citizens to be armed. Not only for self protection and hunting, but for protection against the Tyranny of the Government as well.

        They had seen the powerful British rulers impose their wills and beliefs upon their subects without a thought of the rightness of it.

        We are very fortunate to live in this country. But our freedoms need constant vigilance against those who would steal them from us. The ones I fear most are our own messed up leaders.

        We need the right to bear arms as well as the right from illegal search and seizure.

        When we lose either we lose a part of freedom we will never get back.

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          Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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          Jeffery-

          The right wing does not put forth the idea of the Constitution granting you rights and only those rights. The right wing puts forth the idea of free market economics and the left wing puts forth collectivist economics. However, the current batch of right wingers in the US (with a few exceptions) are also of a harsher totalitarian bent then in the past and totalitarianism is the idea you put forth which is something separate from the economic ideas of right/left. Its totalitarian/libertarian, I suppose.

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          Spinward1 year, 4 months ago

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          To be honest, I have to admit mixed emotions on this issue.
          Terrorists are clearly using our own constitution against us and this is having the added benefit of dividing us over an issue that we would normally be united on.
          First, warrentless searches don't thrill anyone... liberal or conservative.
          Second, watching a major city vaporize when it could have been prevented is also not a thrill to anyone... liberal or conservative.

          Liberals scream, "They're violating my right by trying to find terrorists before they strike!"
          Conservatives scream, "Dead men enjoy no rights anyway and our first job is to protect your life!"

          The question is, what do we want to do about it?

          Is there a compromise? I don't care if they listen in on SUSPECTS, provided they can later, if necessary, document "cause". If it's for other reasons (political), then impeachments would be in order.

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          scott42611 year, 4 months ago

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          Excellent story, jov!

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          scott42611 year, 4 months ago

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          Excellent story, jov!

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          willottica1 year, 4 months ago

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          After mdiar pointed it out, I think this article misses the point. "What good is the 2nd Amendment without the other 9?" He then only discusses the ambiguous 4th, and ignores flagrant abuses of the 9th and, most especially, the 10th.

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          slate1 year, 4 months ago

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          SPEAKING about admendments! Just as I was posting to the Obama Speech thread it was deleted for violating the TOU,,,,,, MArcus, you need to can the auto filter it's out of hand already.

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            sinophil491 year, 4 months ago

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            Jovial - This is a wonderful article and an excellent sounding board for an important topic that has no clear cut, absolutely certain answer. Great posts. Interesting thoughts.

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              Raymontee1 year, 4 months ago

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              " Give me liberty or give me death", can anyone at Propeller say that? - Rayganye.

              Are you ready to fight for the USA?

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                Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago

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                What good is the 2nd Amendment without the other nine? The 2nd Amendment gives citizens the right and means to protect all their right. Didn't you guys learn this in school?

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