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Sen. Barack Obama scrapped plans to visit wounded members of the armed forces in Germany as part of his overseas trip, a decision his spokesman said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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"The spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said Thursday that Obama made his decision out of respect for the servicemen and women, but Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign immediately criticized the move.
"Barack Obama is wrong. It is never inappropriate to visit our men and women in the military," said Brian Rogers, a spokesman for the Republican contender.
Obama's decision raised a number of questions because the visit, which had been scheduled for Friday, never appeared on the schedule of events distributed to reporters who are accompanying him on his travels"
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Goppy1 year, 3 months ago
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I like how FSU's profile (which is now prominently displayed) says "I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.
LOL!!
Well, we KNEW he wasn't a Democrat ... as he spends his entire bio space blaming and whining about all things Democrat.
But he says he's not a Republican either?
Gosh ... maybe he's one of the few Righties who realizes there is no Republican party anymore ... as they have been absorbed by the Neo-Conservative movement ... a movement modeled after the old Soviet Union military expansionist credo.
Of course, I seriously doubt that FSU fully comprehends that this sea-change has occurred. I mean, does anyone on Propeller believe for a second that someone such as FSU, who ONLY insults others, has the mental capacity to exchange ideas, concepts ... to consider to ponder the ever changing landscape of politics in America?
If you have any doubt, scroll down to Will1313's comment in which he mentions that he has set up collection boxes for our nation's soldiers.
Then check out FSU's reply, in which he does what he ALWAYS does ... EVERY SINGLE TIME ... insults in just that way you expect someone without a Moral Compass to reply.
That's why I say Neo-Conservatism is a Morally Vacant Ideology. Look at who supports it. Look who apologizes for it.
The sad thing is ... The Republican Party used to stand for so much. Now ... it's just another morally vacant ideology ... like Communism.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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What was Osama thinking ? What was so important in Paris that he couldn't stop by and see our wounded veterans?
This clearly shows America what he truly thinks of our military and their sacrifices.....
Who would vote for such a callous, uncaring individual ?
Oh, wait....I know....The dumba$$ liberals would because they ALSO don't give a crap about our military and what's best for our country....
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scott42611 year, 3 months ago
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Goppy, good to see you.
I thought about abandoning this website after Tuesday, but then I would miss reading your great commentaries ...and I would miss being a thorn in the sides of AG, FSU, libsR, and all the other n*tj*bs here...and unlike FSU, who says he "was sent here to earth by God to make liberal lives miserable," I could really care less...I HAVE A LIFE! But I do like to f**k with the conservatives!
I think I will hang out on propeller for a while longer!
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Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago
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It's is nice to see that both you Scott and Goppy decided to stay it will make my decision to stay easier and make propeller much more palatable, for a second there I thought it would be the AG show. I still cant seem to find any of my comments and when i do find the stories i posted on they seem not to be there i am hoping this is all a glitch and will be fixed soon....James.
I wonder if FSU knows that the pentagon told Obama he couldn't visit? I am betting this story will go away soon because is stands on shaky ground at best!
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keyfitter1 year, 3 months ago
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The sad thing is ... The Republican Party used to stand for so much. Now ... it's just another morally vacant ideology ... like Communism.
And the Demorats stand for all that is right?. Drink your kool-aid and
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MajJohn1 year, 3 months ago
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Why such a long personal attack against FSU? You can disagree without being disagreeable. The leftists have a lot more in common with the communists than the right wing ideologues. FSU has a right to whine about all things Democratic just as you have a right to whine about Republicans.
Back to the post, normally, the troops are not visited when it's part of a political campaign and Obama is only following McCains lead in this instance, at least as I understand it.
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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I hate to state the obvious.....like sooo many have done before, but liberal Americans certainly do support the men and women of the Armed Forces. Matter of fact, there are liberals fighting in Iraq. Shame on you for dishonoring them with such clap trap.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Did you read the article?
"...a decision his spokesman said was made because the Democratic presidential candidate thought it would be inappropriate on a campaign-funded journey."
It sounds to me that HE mad the decision, not the Pentagon...
Good try, though...
And even if you're story is true, couldn't he have said, "You know what? It's more important to me to see these guys and gals and show them we care and to thank them for their sacrifice to this country..."
That would have went over way better than simply ignoring them because he had to get to Paris....
and besides, would have made a great photo op for the faker....Don't you think, US ?
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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We donate A LOT through our church plus I make monthly donations through USO....
So, put THAT in your crack pipe and smoke it...
I'm quite sure you love Osama and have some radical excuse for him not visiting the wounded troops when he should have...
Maybe he was powdering his nose for his next interview...
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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FSU...
The dumba$$ liberals would because they ALSO don't give a crap about our military and what's best for our country....
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I'm sure most here consider me a LIB.. soooooo
I've set up collection boxes for items the toops need and want...
such as
toothpaste & toothbrushes
disposable razors
tampax.. unscented... used as first aid for wounds.. shove it in and is stops the blood....
snack items such as
pretzels..
hickory farms gift packs... they love the sausages and crackers....
phone cards...
just postcards with a few words..collected at the local watering holes I hang out at..
If you think that doesn't amount to much.. well we've sent over 250 boxes thru the post office to the troops...
WTF have you done other than berate LIBS....
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cloud151 year, 3 months ago
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You know FSU you would be able to make some good points if you didn't make most of your posts with personal attacks. Also if you didn't call Obama Osama then you might be able to get some credibility.
Obama should have visited the troops, cameras or no cameras it shouldn't be an issue.
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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I don't donate THRU THE CHURCH...
I get off my dead ass.. and DO.....
I'll bet your church doesn't send CONDOMS...
so put that in YOUR PIPE..... DO SOMETHING ... it's real easy to just write a check....
guess YOU NEED THE TIME TO TRIM YOUR BEARD...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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I just wish the Hell you idiots would make up your mind. First you say he has no business over there and now when he tries to do what he thinks is the right thing, you say he should have visited the troops. What would you have said if he had visited the troops? You would have said "HE"S PLAYING POLITICS".
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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Don't waste your time with FSU because he supports his troops by staying away. He is stupid enough to believe that all military personal and veterans vote Republican and that Democrats don't care about the welfare of the troops. I too donate time and money for veteran organizations and truly care about the men and women in the service which is why I hate this administration using our military and weapon for their own personal vendetta. -
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Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago
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The thing is it took a Democrat to get our men and women proper medical care...wait that was an Obama bill wasn't it. While Walter Reed and the other hospitals were a mess under the republican (I care for our troops) congress. These people have lied to themselves for so long that they can't tell the difference between lies and the truth! Obama doesn't care for the troops but it took this first year senator to get the wounded troops decent medical facilities in our country!
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Bitter? I guess so....Funny? I KNOW so....
You're kinda funny too with that avatar going on....The "eye thing" is dope, man !
Those EYES ! They're freakin me out, man ?
But anyway, getting back to the conversation at hand, If you want to call me bitter because this election is incredibly important to me and this country, then so be it....I just cannot believe you've let this fake sway you and pull the wool over those freaky eyes of yours....
I mean, I would understand you voting for Hillary...She makes more sense than this clown...But it just shows me how incredibly retarded you libs are for even considering Osama for President....
BTW, I know a good opthalmic doc who might be able to help that "eye thing"....
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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Holy Moses FSU. You have tha audacity to call Obama a clown when you are supporting the original Bozo. ROFFMAO McCain can't even get facts straight without a former Democrat setting him straight and you call Obama a clown. You're got to be loony yourself for supporting a loon..
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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"But it just shows me how incredibly retarded you libs are for even considering Osama for President...."
You're showing your stupidity. McCain has made more factual mistakes than anyone can count and you're supporting a senile old fool. LMAO
McCain doesn't know that Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't border each other.
McCain does know that Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore.
McCain had to be corrected by Lieberman about insurgents in Iraq.
McCain said Iraqi streets were safe to walk on and was surrounded by troops and had on a flak jacket.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago
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abntv - this slight to suggest that Obama is an idiot is just a reflection of your stupidity. Why would an intelligent man such as sen: Obama think that these men and women couldn't vote. He made plans to go see them didn't he? Man all the tricks are in play with you fools!
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thaw1 year, 3 months ago
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the problem FsU, is, that your doing your "side" more harm than good.
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anyone who knows marketing, knows that you show where your guy's strengths are. not where your opponants weaknesses are.
you come off as a redneck, with an axe to grind. and that will only make people "indirectly" go against your views, just to have the satisfaction of knowing they are not like you.
the vulgarity and inscesent insults, are hurting what should be chances for you to make good points for whoever you want in the wh..
the sooner you figure this out, the better,
being a grad of fsu in 92 (if this info is legit.) puts you in your early 40's.
you should have figured this out by now.
if not, i pitty you.
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cloud151 year, 3 months ago
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Can we not attach links to posts anymore?
I constantly see porn stories popping up on here.
Posts keep disappearing.
Stories keep being removed. (except the porn ones)
Posts keep getting moved.
Posts keep not showing up.Why does it feel like propeller received a major downgrade?
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greenmac1 year, 3 months ago
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No... the eyes are fine.....they see a lot of whats going down. I see the passion you have for a non Obama win. I would like to see an Obama win ..... I hate to say it but..."a change" is desperately needed in the US world of politics.... a change is needed in the way the US peruses its policies outside of its borders. I believe a lot of your citizens fail to see this. Why you say.... because of your die hard party loyalty. As a watcher of US and world affairs for several years now I can honestly say that something new has to come out of the US as far as an approach to world affairs. The problems that you now face are the result of poor foreign policy over the years.... policy that was driven by big business within your borders. Yes you have come to the aid of millions throughout the world in times of disaster...thats a good thing, but...what do people remember ...the bad things... Bush..Iraq...and possibly a problem with Iran. Most of these could have been avoided if intervention was properly carried out many years back... by that ..I mean talking the participants involved. The hole is pretty deep now... I see Obama as the one that will be viewed by countries other than your own as a possible solution. Remember the world gets smaller everyday...the Us is losing friends everyday ..... this is not a good path to follow. I do not view McCain as a viable solution .... the world does not view him as the one as well. Don't get me wrong McCain has some good qaulities that might have made him a great leader at another time...this is not the time.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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After the last 8 years, I really don't think you can say with certainty what either Obama or McCain will bring to the Presidency. You don't know what the make up of the Congress will be, for one thing. Much of the destruction Bush caused was enabled by the GOP. Ironically, some of the positive results of Clinton's administration were a result of the same GOP Congress. When I hear doomsday, naysaying, cynical comments like yours, I have to ask what crystal ball you're looking into?
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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I feel badly for both you and FSU92.
Neither candidate represents change, just more of the same. But monopolization of the airwaves and press, combined with an enormous complex of echo chambers on the left and right, allow McCain and Obama to present their molehills of difference as mountains.
I agree, we need a change, desparately - but there is none to be found in American elections this time around.
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greenmac1 year, 3 months ago
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So you are saying McCain is the better person for the job...why. Sitting here looking at the US political race I would have to say that McCain just doesn't have what it takes to revive the image of the US on the world stage.... far from it. Obama is a leader...with the right team in place he will lead you to a better life than you are experiencing at the moment.
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Obama makes great speeches from a teleprompter but when it is off the cuff flubs around. McCain does his best off the cuff. That is why he does the town hall meetings that Obama wants to stay away from. So you prefer a man that has charisma and no substance to a person of substance with no charisma. What does that say about you.
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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again it wasn't HIS CALL... but then that ruins the whole concept...
by the way how many military funerals has McCain been too.... or visits to the wounded troops he wants to keep in Iraq for 100 years....
I'd bet there's a VA hospital.. near almost EVERY ONE of his photo op stops....
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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"And that's what is most important, THIS COUNTRY."
--Your country right or wrong, huh? I don't understand why cons think we should go around the world forcing our way of life on others but yet insist that what the rest of the world thinks of us irrelevant. Why do you people fail to see how contradictory your views on foreign policy are?
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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""We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," the adviser, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, said in a statement"
Oh, that's right, he's taking this world tour as a "senator" so as not to have to spend campaign money...suddenly inserting a "campaign event" would definitely muck that up. Real classy, Obama.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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A change means FSU can't count on cheap irresponsible and unfunded war time tax cuts, cheap gas so he can drive his car 80mph nonstop and illegal wars the GOP wants others to fight and die in for silly ********. So you can understand why he'd be a little chickenhawkish at the prospect of actually having to sacrifice for all these things he allegedly believes in. ;-(
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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Guess it was the military that thought the trip inappropriate...
A campaign adviser said the U.S. military saw the visit as a campaign stop.
"We learned from the Pentagon last night that the visit would be viewed instead as a campaign event," the adviser, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, said in a statement. "Senator Obama did not want to have a trip to see our wounded warriors perveived as a campaign event when his visit was to show his appreciation for our troops and decided instead not to go."
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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What do you mean, it wasn't his call? He decided not to go, for whatever reason. If he was worried about it being viewed as a campaign event, he could have arranged to go privately. Why do the liberals refuse to be critical of ANYTHING the man does?
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cushi1 year, 3 months ago
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It is very clear to me that the MONUMENTAL SUCCESS of Barack Obama's European trip has put John Insane and his neocon supporters knickers in a twist!! There are articles all over propeller, like this pitiful one, criticizing and attempting to rain on Obama's parade! They are acting like the Israelites who grumbled against Moses and God in the desert because they were sick of eating manna, so God sent quail, so much meat that they became literally sick from eating it!
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They pushed and criticized and hounded Obama about not traveling to Iraq and other foreign countries, so he did, so and in grand style! More importantly, he was greeted everywhere he went in a manner that rivals that of a king or a great dignitary! Now pack leader Insane his underlings are all shook up and green with envy...gnashing theirr teeth, howling and protesting like a pack of wounded hyenas. They asked for it and they got it! The international community has embraced Obama with the same enthusiasm as his supporters here at home! Insane McCain pushed and prodded Obma to set sail on his fantastic voyage, and now McSame and his party supporters are bitter and pouting because they have had to watch his triumphant trip with envy from the shore! -
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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"They are acting like the Israelites who grumbled against Moses and God in the desert because they were sick of eating manna, so God sent quail, so much meat that they became literally sick from eating it!"
Thank you for confirming that you view Obama as a god.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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"You must mean the democratic party."
Readers comprehension problems again I see. Are you having problems understanding who is complaining about Obama's canceled trip when the Pentagon thought it was a bad idea. If he had went you would be crying about that too.
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cushi1 year, 3 months ago
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As dim-witted as you are, you should still be able to understand that I was comparing folks like you (incessant gripers and complainers who are never satisfied) to that similar generation of Israelites spoken of in the Bible. People like you are easily confused and often miss the point, though, so I really ought not to expect too much of you.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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lfergie,
Give it up, will ya dude ? You're golden boy messed up and made a poor political and personal decision...
Why can't you admit that ? Can Osama do no wrong in your eyes ? I myself have agreed with countless numbers of you little libs about Bush on some things that he did wrond...Like immigration, spending, being a conservative etc...
The point is, lfergie, there has already been some libs that admitted Osama messed up and did the wrong thing....Instead of pulling some Pentagon article out of your butt and trying to justify his actions, I think people in here would respect you more if you just admitted that seeing our wounded vets would have been the better choice in this situation...
I don't know why you libs gotta be some damn hardheaded...Osama messed up, plain and simple...
And it clearly shows when it comes to making important decisions, even simple ones like this, he's not the "boy wonder" you make him out to be...
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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They are trying to relieve their guilt of voting for Bush by trying to convince you that they did the right thing. Trying to justify the criminal actions of this administration by changing reasons after the original reasons were proven false. Subconscious guilt has destroyed what little mind they had.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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But isn't it *********** who are the ones desperately and cravenly pitifully wallowing in the scum pits desperately hoping to find some "macaca" you can sling on Obama that will stick? Yes, Nixie I think that's exactly what you cons are doing and you're not even pretending to be subtle about it, are you? Exactly...You know McCain TOTALLY sucks and your best hope is to poison the minds of the few remaining Americans who are as poorly educated as you are. It's not going to work, Nixie. It's time for a dose of reality. Mere months from now, the GOP will go down in flames and the implosion of the con cult movement will be complete. Enjoy knocking Obama while you can. Your ill-conceived tax cuts and days of watching other people's loved ones die senselessly so you can enjoy an endless supply of cheap gas and a steady diet of FOX TV will soon come to an end. ;-(
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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Well, I can't neg this clap trap, so will just say this before I move on; It was my hope that some people would grow up after learning the lessons of voting for bush. But with some this 'us and them' is nothing more than a pathological little game of put downs, & has nothing to do with what is best for our country. I'll leave you few to wallow in your 'waste' of time.
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longislandgirl1 year, 3 months ago
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Gee lets see..... it was announced today that the budget for Secret Service needs an increase for protection of the candidates along with this extensive travel. Obama is traveling to Europe, talking foreign policy, shaking hands with the French President who we all know is no friend to the US, wooing over the German people like a modern day pied piper with his empty speeches. Now accepting campaign contributions from the European nations, and at the same time talking of improper actions of the US. HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. Then in the same breath decides it is improper to visit injured US troops. Men fighting for our freedoms, seperated from their loved ones, who need the support ,WHO HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE while defending our country. It is always PROPER to visit the troops, while it is not proper to go shooting your mouth off to people who do not have a standing in our elections!
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE? Let the DNC pay for the extra Secret Service budget if they want to send their boy over there, don't expect the American people to fork some more out of our tax dollars. What an insult to our troops.... maybe a blessing in disguise. Hope this is the beginning of the wolf in sheeps clothing making an appearance.-
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longislandgirl1 year, 3 months ago
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Not jealous at all, actually you have to be articulate to wield persuasion of the masses. Aren't people tired of having to exercise "voting for the lesser of two evils" theory? We were there in 04 and here we are again. IF we go back to the beginning, both parties have less than competent choices in front of the American people.
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markinmissouri1 year, 3 months ago
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you repugs are lying f'ing hypocrits. GOPPY of course FSU claims to be independent. so does bill OHreally! they have to lie to get people to believe their crap. if obama would have made a stop to visit the wounded RUSH LIMPBALLS would be talking about his "publicity" stunt the next day. also politicians arent the POPE. what makes you think they'd want him to visit. if was wounded and in the hospital i SURE AS HELL wouldnt want that lose GW in my room with his fake sympathies. bush goes to germany all the time. when did you see him visiting last? yeah thats what i thought.
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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FSU evidently submitted this article because it suited his agenda to make Obama look bad. Something like Bush's intelligence to make Iraq look bad.
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http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080725/Obama.Troops/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0708/Obama_camp_says_Pentagon...html?showall
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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So the libs think Obama is the answer for america,well maybe if the question is,too much liberty,tired of america being a sovereign nation,and if you are willing to see our military decimated again,then by all means cast your vote.I am seventy four yrs old, and I have many children to leave behind. I believe in civil rights ,but I also believe in pesonal rights.I should have the right like or dislike anyone I choose
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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As a 74 year-old, you should know by now that when you take pains to post an anti-liberal diatribe like yours, you should at least justify why you've twice voted for someone like Bush who most of the world knows is one of the most destructive and criminal creatures to ever walk the face of the earth. What did voting for Bush twice get you and why are you arrogant enough to think YOUR political judgement is sound? What country have you been living in for the past 8 years? Seriously. Where have you been living?
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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Two things:
1. The Pentagon told Senator Obama that because it was a campaign trip, any visit to the troops would be seen as a political gesture and not a gesture of solidarity. Therefore, the Pentagon insisted that if he were to visit the troops he must do it alone with no pictures taken, either still or video and no staff.2. Senator Obama realized that what the Pentagon was saying (about it being a campaign funded trip) was accurate so he decided that indeed it would not be acceptable to visit them at this time.
Now, you can say what you want, but isn't it interesting that no request like that was made the last time Senator McCain visited the troops.
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