In study, evidence of liberal-bias bias »
Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 4 months ago in News
The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
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nightcrawlerX1 year, 4 months ago
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Well I think it is safe to say that reality, common sense, rational minded people have a liberal bias. On the other hand, if this is the status quo wouldn't it be safe to say that this isn't even liberal at all. Liberal thinking doesn't even play into it. Why are we politicizing current events? the whole thing is insane. Somewhere between all the perspectives is the actual story. the problem is you have to watch five or six networks to actually get any perspective on a story.
cool, Can I get some props for my story though. not political but it is about china and rap music.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/07/28/over-coming-the-language-barrier-chinese-rap/
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spkguy1 year, 4 months ago
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How about this little beauty..
CBS edits McCain gaffe from interview, provides fake answer for viewers to cover for McCain
This one is hard to even explain, it's so bizarre. McCain, looking just awful on camera, made yet another major gaffe about national security policy, on CBS. So what did Katie Couric do? She aired the interview with McCain, aired the question that led to the gaffe, and then inserted an "answer" to the question that wasn't the real gaffe-filled answer - it was something McCain said in a total other part of the interview. It's absolutely astounding how far the corporate media is willing to go in order to defend John McCain. And seriously, take a good look at McCain in this video, I was kind of shocked by his appearance - he doesn't look well at all.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/07/cbs-edits-mccain-gaffe-from-interview.html
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navalib4201 year, 4 months ago
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It's really true. I remember seeing the Rev. Wright plastered all over CNN and MSNBC (I don't watch Fox News, but if the former had him plastered, I can only IMAGINE what fox news was like). I remember the photos of Obama in the traditional African garb all over the news, as well as the controversy over Michelle Obama's "proud to be an American" comments, etc. And I remember the media CIRCUS that went on during the Clinton sex scandal, how the newspeople were debating the President's morals, etc.....and YET, I have NEVER heard ANYTHING about how McCain was flying cross-country to cheat on his SICK and DYING wife with Cindy McCain, which is MUCH worse than Clinton's misdeeds, if you ask me. I guess it's MILDY understandable, (but not condoneable [sp?]) that they're being so tough on Obama, because of his groundbreaking candidacy. They're going to try and rip him to shreds, and I believe the only thing saving him from falling victim to the politics game like John Kerry did in '04, is that he refuses to PLAY that game.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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Wow how can this be. Liberals saying there is no media bias. Who could think of such a thing. What next.
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All I know is one headline was. "President Reagan shut down government today by not signing the budget bill congress provided." Another one was "Congress today shut down the government today by refusing to give President Clinton a budget bill he could sign."
No bias there right? That kind of thing never happened again.
Everyone who flew with the Obama campaign trip to Iraq and Europe went with McCain on at least one of his trips right? Again no bias here right?
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david_nwpa1 year, 4 months ago
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In the Reagan example, Congress did its job and attempted to lower the deficit spending that he wanted to push through without considering the consequences of driving up the debt. In the case of Bill Clinton, the Republican Congress refused to put caps on spending and lower how much we were wasting on the military. We need to spend for defense, but be reasonable, many projects at the DoD are pure pork. No bias existed because in the first case, Reagan was denying the will of the people, and in the Clinton case, the Congress was just obstinate. Parse my words however you like; you compared apples and oranges.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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This subject is one of the Democrat party strategies - they had to wait for a report that said the
"During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.
Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center."You will notice that no reference is made to newspapers, magazines, the internet, and radio.
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Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago
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"Liberals saying there is no media bias."
Did you even read the article? It says there is no LIBERAL media bias. If anything, there seems to be a conservative media bias, at least in the 'big three' broadcast networks.
Of course Obama's trip was a bigger deal than McCain's, but that doesn't mean he was handled with kid gloves. Couric took Obama to task regarding the his stance on the surge, for example.
Truth is, if you're looking to support bias on either side of the aisle, you can surely find examples, such as your 'shut down' headlines above.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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WOW Endo!
You sure are on Propeller a lot!!!
Excuse me yall .... It's an inside joke between Endo and me. He left this personal message for me:
"Goopy, you are an annoying little troll, an obnoxious creep and the poster child for the old "block" feature. to see you spend your pathetic little life following good people around trying to denigrate them may be fun for a hateful bigoted mind like yours, but you're just a repetitive little cyber stalker with a one pony act, and boring at that.
well have at it goopy enjoy spending your days and nites here, and it is truly creepy how much time you spend here, whether it's because of the ankle bracelet, restraining orders, lack" yada, yada, yada ..."Nice, eh?
This is how Endo is during the week. But sometime visit brettodactyl's 'Sunday Devotional' and Endo is all piety and deference.
What Astonishing Hypocrisy.
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Ratskii1 year, 4 months ago
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Yeah, I pretty much knew this -- part of the reason I don't watch much TV news. Sure you can bring out individual instances of bias one way or the other, but overall it has been leaning Republican.
I'll give you another hint about the conservatives who are constantly harping about the liberal bias of the major networks and news media: To them a source is totally free of bias if it is 100% in line with their views. Anything else is biased news.
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silvera1 year, 4 months ago
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This is the article that should be at the top of the front page rather than the one penned by Rush Limbaugh about "Obama Fatigue" that's been festering there for days while the moronic right have a giggling little love fest. Probably won't happen though, since this essay actually has some substance (and big words).
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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Even Rush's influence only goes so far when the continuation of irresponsible tax cuts, cheap oil and endless wars are at stake. The Patriarch of right wing shout media thinks McCain is the devil but nobody comes between a con and a tax cut. ;-(
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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Is this an imaginary study?
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx
"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co?author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar."
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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A majority liberal bias in media is delusional. But the right must have things that they can believe in, like the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. And there's a whole lot more truth about those imaginary figures than a liberal media bias.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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No, it's not imaginary, it's just been thoroughly debunked. Their metric for determining media bias was ridiculously questionable. They used the number of times that the various media outlets were quoted by members of each side of the aisle.
If a democrat were to say:
"Fox news reported: 'Aliens are stealing our cattle;' what a load of claptrap!"This would actually factor into the UCLA study as Fox news being liberally biased (because it was quoted by a liberal). If the problem therein is not plain to see, then clearly, your bias is a little too large to ever observe true bias.
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Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago
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Thanks for the link. This CMPA study focused specifically on the 'big three' networks, where most people get their news, while the study you cited included cable news outlets, radio, magazines. and newspapers.
Also, the media is very mercurial so a new study might well reflect different results from one 3 years ago.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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"A majority liberal bias in media is delusional. "
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The big problem is that liberals have a blind spot for their comments. On a talk show I heard a liberal call a conservative "murderer, murderer, murderer" any time he opened his mouth. He called the liberal "pusher" one time and the liberal was incensed. The conservative dropped off and the liberal talk show host and t\hree successive callers all complained with the liberal that the liberal had done notheing to deserve the conservative calling the liberal a pusher. They ALL were DEAF to the repeated ranting of murderer every time the conservative tried to talk. They thought that was just simple truth.
With hearing this and seeing the same thing in action many times and even here on Propeller I will not believe a story like this coming from a liberal source. Very negative statements can seem "Just a statement of facts." to them.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Did you read this in any of our papers??
Barack Obama defends overseas trip after meeting Britain's PM Gordon Brown
Danica Kirka , Associated Press , London | Sat, 07/26/2008 8:47 PM | WorldLONDON (AP) - U.S. presidential contender Barack Obama defended his decision to travel to Europe and the Middle East, saying Saturday that problems encountered by Americans at home are often best dealt with by working with allies overseas.
Obama, who spoke to reporters after wrapping up talks with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, said he was not sure if there would be any immediate political impact from the trip - and that he would not be surprised if there was a dip in some of the polls in the week since he left home. People in America, he said, are worried about gas prices and home foreclosures.
"The reason that I thought this trip was important is that I am convinced that many issues that we face at home are not going to be solved as effectively unless we have strong partners abroad," he said. "And unless we get a handle on Iraq and Afghanistan, not only are we going to be less safe, but it's also going to be a huge drain on resources."
Obama said he and Brown discussed a wide range of issues, such as climate change, terrorism and financial markets.
"The prime minister's emphasis - like mine - is on how we can strengthen the trans-Atlantic relationship to solve problems that can't be solved by any single country individually," he said. . . "
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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The study only looked at the Big Three network news shows for a specific period of time. It didn't look at cable TV or print media or radio or the Internet. And the study showed that Obama got MORE negative coverage than McCain, but BOTH got overall negative coverage. And this negative coverage came since both wrapped up their nominations.
If you look you will find that these findings are the opposite of what happened int he primaries:
"That was a reversal of the trend during the primaries, when the same researchers found that 64% of statements about Obama -- new to the political spotlight -- were positive, but just 43% of statements about McCain were positive."
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lfergie8121 year, 4 months ago
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That was the conservative bias at work. You're leaving out the Hillary factor. They knew they would rather have Obama as president than Hillary so they made favorable statements for Obama and negative against Hillary until Hillary dropped her campaign for president. I said all along that the press was against Hillary but now that Obama is all but nominated, the reports have now turned in favor of McCain.
As for cable network, not everyone have cable and they would be a wash anyway.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Conservatives have been snarling about the grotesque disparity revealed by another study, the online Tyndall Report, which showed Obama receiving more than twice as much network air time as McCain in the last month and a half. Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain, according to longtime network-news observer Andrew Tyndall.
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Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago
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"Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain,..."
Yes, but as this article points out more coverage is not necessarily better coverage. If negative portrayals in the media outnumber positive ones, a greater amount of that coverage can be very detrimental.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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The center reviews and "codes" statements on the evening news as positive or negative toward the candidates. For example, when NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell said in June that Obama "has problems" with white men and suburban women, the media center deemed that a negative.
So now a reporter can't report the facts????
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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That was a reversal of the trend during the primaries, when the same researchers found that 64% of statements about Obama -- new to the political spotlight -- were positive, but just 43% of statements about McCain were positive.
So, the facts have changed???
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tbkennedy531 year, 4 months ago
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One thing studies like this do not take into account is the things not reported or asked. For example, if Obama says I'm on the banking committee and just voted on a bill and that's not true. If it's not reported is that bias? Same is true if it were McCain. My point being it's not just what is said but what's not said and that can't be part of this type of study. I conclude to take these with a grain of salt. If you can't list all the variables a study is flawed.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Good point.
For instance, there is NO media coverage of Johnny McCain's despicable behaviour with his First Wife.
And precious little about Johnny seeking out the endorsement of John Hagee, who famously preaches that American Catholics are W-hores.
And there is little reporting of his action between his 2000 presidential bid and NUMEROUS Flip-Flops he saw fit to engage in to win the endorsement of his party for the 2008 election.
In fact, while he gets coverage for ridiculing Obama ... there is NO press coverage of one of the MOST blatant Flip-Flops of all time .... where in MAY, Johnny gave a speech PRAISING BANS on Off-Shore drilling ... then ... JUST 30 DAYS LATER .... gives a speech DENOUNCING BANS on Off-Shore drilling!!
How does media get away with this?
Because for 40 years, the LIBERAL MEDIA Chant by the Right Wing has intimidated media from being critical of Republicans.
If you don't think this has DIRE consequences ... just look at the PASS media gave to George W. Bush in his MANIC PUSH to invade Iraq.
If Media had done it's job .... maybe our nation could have saved ONE TRILLION dollars, 5,000 American Lives, THOUSANDS more wounded, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD IRAQIs ... and a reckless destabilization of the region.
There IS a place for Responsible Journalism. Patriotic Americans need to STAND UP and DEMAND that media STOP bending over to Hard Line, Highly Vocal, Righties.
And yet,
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Ah ... I wondered why my story was not getting any 'traffic'. NO WORRIES! I'm glad the obvious is becoming more accepted.
I would like to share my point of view here ... as it took me awhile to type it on my thread.
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There are precious few outlets that provide ANY kind of thoughtful coverage for America. All Mainstream media is good for anymore is celebrating celebrities.We've become a nation obsessed with celebrities and the sound-byte.
The fact is ... MILLIONS of Americans RELIGIOUSLY listen to EXTREMIST, HARD-LINE, DIS-info-tainers every day. Each day, these good Americans are hardened against moderation in their thought process.
Millions more watch FOX ... which is, quite simply, the Media Arm of the RNC. The former head of Republican Media RUNS the ding dang thing!
Same thing with Sinclair Broadcasting. Many people aren't familiar with Sinclair. I find this amazing because ... THEY OWN THE LARGEST NUMBER OF LOCAL TV STATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES!!!
Sinclair is every bit ... possibly MORE biased than FOX. Founded by Julian Sinclair Smith, an extremely hard line Right Winger.
In the 2004 election, Sinclair ORDERED that ALL of it's affiliate stations preempt prime time programming to air Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal, a documentary critical of U.S. presidential candidate John Kerry's anti-Vietnam War activism, just two weeks before the November 2 election. The film was produced by Carlton Sherwood, a former associate of Tom Ridge, of the Swift-Boat cabal.'
This is abuse of power of the highest sort.
And this is what's happening to media all over the nation.
NEWSPAPERS are no different. Before he was thrown in jail, Conrad Black was on a buying spree to buy up every newspaper he could get his hands on for the EXPRESSED PURPOSE of disseminating the Hard Line Right Wing message he believed in.
In another instance, the loony cult leader, Sun Myung Moon founded the Washington Times ... for the EXPRESS purpose of promoting a right wing agenda ... and denouncing Democrat initiatives.
It was the Washington Times that single-handedly did the most to keep a steady drum-beat of scandal mania on the Clinton Presidency.
So ... no ... there IS NO Liberal Bias in media .... NONE .... it's a fabrication left over from the Right's anger at Edward R. Murrow for his having denounced the Joseph McCarthy witchhunts.
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donald511 year, 4 months ago
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Why we need the Truth in Telecommunications Act that Reagan vetoed and the fairness Act opposed by today's repugs! Heck. look how deluded and hate filled Endo, sick anick and Klarris are by right wing outrage radio and iits fake Fox news!
I'll add one more to your list.... McCain was complaining that Obama was out of the country and therefore not looking after national issues like the economy... yet McCain has missed 61% of his senate votes!
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tbkennedy531 year, 4 months ago
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Goppy,
You can quote these and there are just as many or more for the other side. My major point is if people continue to rely on the media for their information we are doomed. Most reporters / outlets at this point have their bias. Looking at many sources is the only way to get the real story.
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I still contend there is a liberal bias from the major networks. You can deny it but it is not what I see at all.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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LOL!!
Look, I'm describing BOTH where we are right now ... AND giving (simultaneously) historical background for WHY we are where we are now.
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
Oh, I have answered my own question with a story I submitted some months back.
For reference:
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/02/24/genes-may-help-determine-your-vote/
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 4 months ago
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i see Willotica and lfergie challenging the validity of the Milyo study from 2005 that I linked to the UCLA website. Willotica says it has been thoroughly debunked but offers no support other than his own assertion. lfergie challenges Milyo's objectivity by asserting that he's a Republican. Careful, lfergie, studies have shown that news reporters overwhelmingly vote Democratic - by your logic that would be conclusive proof that the news can't be impartial!
Here's another, more recent study, by two institutions that have a good reputation especially among liberals. It's a joint survey by Harvard and the Project for Excellence in Journalism:
http://www.journalism.org/node/8187
It was tracking the earlier stages of the presidential primaries. Some interesting findings:
"Democrats generally got more coverage than Republicans, (49% of stories vs. 31%.) One reason was that major Democratic candidates began announcing their candidacies a month earlier than key Republicans, but that alone does not fully explain the discrepancy."
"Overall, Democrats also have received more positive coverage than Republicans (35% of stories vs. 26%), while Republicans received more negative coverage than Democrats (35% vs. 26%). For both parties, a plurality of stories, 39%, were neutral or balanced. "
"Most of that difference in tone, however, can be attributed to the friendly coverage of Obama (47% positive) and the critical coverage of McCain (just 12% positive.) When those two candidates are removed from the field, the tone of coverage for the two parties is virtually identical."
Hey? Isn't this a thread about Obama getting pummeled by a biased media while McCain's getting a free ride? LOL - Looks like the same media was playing a different tune not so long ago...
Seems to me that the media woke up to the fact that they were having an embarrasingly intense infatuation with Obama and now they are asking the harder questions that should have occurred during the primaries.
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lfergie8121 year, 4 months ago
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"Careful, lfergie, studies have shown that news reporters overwhelmingly vote Democratic - by your logic that would be conclusive proof that the news can't be impartial!"
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LOL Just goes to show you that the people that know what's going on vote Democrat but Jeffrey Milyo is not a news reporter. He's a University of Missouri professor in a red state. The article mentions that the assumption is that the news reporters are leaning right because of past criticism of their coverage so your argument of their voting preference is moot.
From your web link "Groseclose and Milyo then directed 21 research assistants — most of them college students — to scour U.S. media coverage of the past 10 years. They tallied the number of times each media outlet referred to think tanks and policy groups, such as the left-leaning NAACP or the right-leaning Heritage Foundation."
Now if that is scientific, then science has went to you know where. First off, they were sent to look at news articles for the last ten years which indicates that it would be newspapers. This article is about TV stations NBC, ABC, CBS, and not even FOX which everyone knows leans right. That would make this study even more bias to the right. -
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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You're right, I didn't provide info to back it up... I wasn't quite sure where to find it. Someone had posted a link in a story related to that original story on the UCLA study, and it was quite interesting.
mediamatters.org/items/200512220003
Obviously, it's important that people read this story... so I'll post it to propeller
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coolrayfruge1 year, 4 months ago
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I don't watch corporate controlled news often.
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Got tired of hearing about celebrity scandals and other meaningless news.
Including their one sided views.
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donald511 year, 4 months ago
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I like how the first week Gibson hosted ABC... he said he talked to several Dems when all he'd talked to was lieberman, the Bush kisser and best pal of McCain on all those overseas trips (someone has to correct McCain's gaffs). Anyway, Stephanoupalous corrected Gibson with the fact that only Lieberman had defected the Dems... this was my cue that Gibson is no Peter Jennings and I stopped watching ABC.
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bawlzbinbrokin1 year, 4 months ago
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TERRIBLE IS THE WORD TO DESCRIBE THIS WHOLE TOPIC HERE.....WE CAN ALL SEE PROPAGANDA BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES!
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HOW FAR HAVE THE OBAMA-MANIACS INFILTRATED INTO EACH AND EVERY ASPECT OF COMMUNICATIONS?
GEORGE SOROS MUST BE SPENDING HIS WHOLE WAD ON THIS....TO SAY THE MEDIA IS NOT BIASED OR IN OBAMAS POCKET IS LIKE SAYING THAT CHRIS MATHEWS "DIDNT HAVE THAT TINGLE RUNNING UP HIS LEG"!-
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Blah blah blah ... how much did the RNC pay you to spew this propaganda?
All NORMAL Americans, all PATRIOTIC Americans know and understand the perversion that is Neo-Conservatism and it's supporters.
Just today, on the international wires, it is being discussed that Monica Goodling the face of the Neo-Conservative notion of JUSTICE, perverted the very values our nation was founded upon by POLITICIZING every level of the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
She refused to hire Republican attorney's simply because they were married to Democrats.
She fired an attorney because she 'suspected' she was a lesbian ... then worked to make sure she couldn't get a job anywhere else in DC --- an attorney WIDELY considered to be brilliant.
The Bush administration has completely PERVERTED our government TOP to BOTTOM with a twisted, highly politicized approach to democracy.
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donald511 year, 4 months ago
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bawl, as soon as you said "Obama maniacs", you admitted to being a bigoted fool - so Un-American of you! Have these "maniacs" tortured, conducted preemptive war, allowed eavesdropping on fellow Americans w/o a warrant, or tried to throw out 800 years of accepted western law? Maniacs for believing in hope and true American values? You foolishly call people "maniacs" for wanting to change course from a leader who has given us 8 years of total failure?
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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Commrade Guppy please check here;
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"http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/07/27/as-messiah-tours-obama-fatigue-sweeps-america/" between msg 25 and 50.
I believe this post was made by the one you call 'the rodent' not by endoscopy.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Hey! Thanks for the link icono! WOW! I appreciate you posting that ... you know, for someone stuck on the whole Communist thing ... and your perverse love for Hitler ... (and the obvious concomitant hatred of traditional American Values) ... you really came through.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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WOW! I went to my messages and there was Nixie, demanding that I apologize to Endoscopy!!
Interesting development ... considering the level of insult from Rodent.
So ... I decided to share my PM to Nixie with all of you here ... I think it's pertinent.
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"I apologized to Endoscopy.I asked for an apology from MichaelRodente, but I don't expect an apology.
Christians Conservatives, being Morally Vacant, demand propriety from others that they refuse to give.
You know, that defines hypocrisy."
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