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Posted By hyperbola 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsAmerica now has political prisoners. This all stems from AIPAC, Gravel told IPS. Lawmakers are afraid of offending the powerful lobbying group – which supports a hard-line position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in line with Israel's right-wing Likud Party
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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This goes right to the heart of what and who is ruining America. The zionistas in power in our government today. Zionism undermines what America values. Israelis values are not American values.
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Ivins acted alone? The real anthrax killer is a zionist named Philip Zack.
Iraq has WMD? We know the answer to that one.
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"Al-Arian pleaded guilty to Count Four of the indictment against him ? a charge of conspiracy to make or receive contributions of funds, goods or services to or for the benefit of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
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"Al-Arian has now admitted providing assistance to help the Palestinian Islamic Jihad?a specially designated terrorist organization with deadly goals?as the government has alleged from the start."
"We have a responsibility not to allow our Nation to be a safe haven for those who provide assistance to the activity of terrorists,? said Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales. ?Sami Al-Arian has already spent significant time behind bars and will now lose the right to live in the country he calls home as a result of his confessed criminal conduct on behalf of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is the same conduct he steadfastly denied in public statements over the last decade."
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/April/06_crm_221.html
Al-Arian freely admitted to violating US laws, not Israeli laws.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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You really don't see the hypocrisy of our relations in the region?
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Condi and Bush deal directly with Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah - our
respected peace partner. And his organization, Fatah, is NOT
listed as a terrorist orgaization by ANY nation. Hmmm.
How do you square our support for Fatah when the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade,is the ARMED wing of Fatah, and the Al-Quds Brigade is the armed wing of Islamic Jihad?
Doesn't it make you wonder what exactly the standard is that determines
terrorist vs peace partner?
Fatah has a violent segment of their organization and so does Islamic Jihad
and Hamas. So what's the diff? Well, we will NOT deal with the representative
chosen by the Palestinians themselves. No - we will ONLY deal with a
representative FOR the Palestinians that WE choose. Matter of fact - every
time those groups even start to come to some type of working agreement
we do everything within our power to disrupt it in favor of conflict - rather
than letting them proceed to a period of stability that would allow them to
begin to govern. Can't have that.
If Al-Arian had provided monetary support for Fatah.........would that be okay?
Why? Because we say so? Pretty much. Ah for the days when justice had
something to do with our DOJ - Heck ! I'd settle for common sense!
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"Fatah has a violent segment of their organization and so does Islamic Jihad and Hamas. So what's the diff?"
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Listen carefully,... hamas-controlled Gaza fire missiles and rocket propelled grenades into Israel almost daily and they call for the destruction of Israel.
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"They are Israeli!"
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I'm sure if you were to poll the West Bank (where Fatah is in control) you would not make such a statement.
"In December 2007, an official Census conducted by the Palestinian Authority found that the Palestinian population of the West Bank (including Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem) was 2,345,000.[19]
There are over 275,000 Israeli settlers living in the West Bank,..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank#Demographics
Israelis are outnumbered by more than 8 to1.
The difference is that hamas advocates killing civilians on a daily basis while fatah...not so much.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Tony Bryon ~
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Ummm - You need to do a little more reading on just which
groups claimed credit for some of the rockets fired at Sderot.
Yes - divisions of Fatah HAVE.
And since we are all sincere here about standing up for
guiltless victims of violence, and I'm sure you would agree
that pressure must be brought on violaters no matter
which side they are on - no?
So, where was your outrage when the Israeli helicopter
gunships rocketed a multi-storey apartment complex in
the middle of the night, in Gaza - and later claimed they
had no idea there would be civilians in the building?
Is FAIR - really so, so difficult? It has to go BOTH ways
or we do not have any semblence of structure in Israel,
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"Ummm - You need to do a little more reading on just which
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groups claimed credit for some of the rockets fired at Sderot."
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
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> How do you square our support for Fatah when the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade,is the ARMED wing of Fatah, and the Al-Quds Brigade is the armed wing of Islamic Jihad?
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Pretty simple, Ante. It's called "common sense". As an example of its use you may consider Europe 70 years ago. Two totalitarian miliitary powers ruled by ruthless dictators and hypermurderers emerged there: the Nazi Germany and the Communist USSR. The Western Allies (United States, Britain and, to some extent, France) supported one of them (USSR ruled by Stalin) in order to make it fight the other. It worked. Germany and its allies were defeated and the Soviet Union emerged from the war much weaker than it would be in case the US and Britain decided to fight BOTH Germany and the USSR. I'm afraid that in suhc case the WWII would end VERY differently.
Similarly, common sense tells me that it is better to make some of the Arab militants to fight other Arab militants than to have ALL Arab militants to fight us.
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kboy1 year, 3 months ago
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It is tough to be part of an extremest group that seems to have attacked the United States and has no religious tolerance. If the so-called moderates do not speak against this type of people, then they are aiding and abetting them. It is not in the interest of the United States to protect the rights of a self-confessed criminal that is part of a group that attacks us.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 3 months ago
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extremist group undermining the united states....you're talking about extremist jews, correct? Zionists who believe they are a gods chosen strand of DNA, and who's holy land requires a chosen strand of DNA for citizenship......the holy land that christian zionists must have ethnically cleansed for their rapture, even though they can't get citizenship there.
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The AIPAC is the most powerful lobby, and the american media is owned, COMPLETELY by zionist moguls.
Criticism of militiant zionists is promoted as anit-semitism by the american media, criticism of apartheid Israel is promoted as anti-semitism, criticism of AIPAC is promoted as anti-semitism by the 100% zionist american media owners and operators.-
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"The AIPAC is the most powerful lobby, and the american media is owned, COMPLETELY by zionist moguls."
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abw, go here to find a treatment for your obvious delusional affliction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin-foil_hat
Hey propeller, how about making my links clickable?-
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Edmar141 year, 3 months ago
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Good for youTony!!!!!!! This antibrain doesn't realize that there are more people out there like you that know reality than there are idiots who would believe his mental illness. Hitler tried this lunacy type of propoganda. It not only cost 50 million people their lives, but destroyed his entire country in the process. Idiots don't learn from history, they help to repeat it. Once again, Good for you Tony.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well Edmar, the latest polls say that a majority of americans say the US should NOT support israel. What that shows is the zionist propaganda (which is every bit as scurrilous as Hitler's) is being exposed for the lies that it is.
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Your reference to Hitler is curious. After all, both nazism and zionism arose from eastern european totalitarianism and share many ideologies:
"master race", "subhumans", "living space for the master race", and "ethnic cleansing / genocide for the subhumans".
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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"It is not in the interest of the United States to protect the rights of a self-confessed criminal that is part of a group that attacks us."
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It is in the interest of democracy to protect the rights of EVERYONE!
Furthermore, he confessed to helping his brother get a passport (who may have been part of a group -- the article wasn't clear -- which did NOT attack us, but was declared a terrorist organization by a somewhat biased government).-
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"It is not in the interest of the United States to protect the rights of a self-confessed criminal that is part of a group that attacks us."
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Where did you get that quote? Not from me.
"Furthermore, he confessed to helping his brother get a passport (who may have been part of a group..."
Yeah, that's a violation of federal law. It doesn't matter if he was affiliated with a terrorist group or not.
"The Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine... Harakat al-Jih?d al-Isl?mi fi Filast?n) is a Palestinian militant group designated terrorist by the United States, the European Union , the United Kingdom, Japan, Canada, Australia and Israel. Their goal is the destruction of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jiha...br />"
...but was declared a terrorist organization by a somewhat biased government)."
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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Of course it wasn't from you, it was from kboy, to whom I was replying.
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Hey, I'm not denying that it wasn't an accurate declaration. I'm just saying that bias does exist with who the US designates terrorists and who they don't. For instance, they tend to overlook a lot of their own questionable actions when decrying human rights violations...-
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
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First, one does not have to attack Americans on American soil ONLY to be a terrorist.
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Second, "human rights violations" is a pretty flexible term. For example, some posters here complain about the "violations of rights" of a mass murderer and his supporters DURING A WAR but are quiet about the violations of rights of those innocent men, women and children in Israel who were murdered by them. In addition, they're VERY quiet about the alternative ways (alternative to using force) to convert these mass murderers into peaceful civilians.
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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Yesterday I spotted JewBob sitting in a Starbucks in Buckhead, Georgia. He was dressed in shorts, a tank top, and sandals. Walking past him, you'd never know that on his laptop he was at that very time orchestrating the next round of violence in Gaza.
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Beware. JewBob is everywhere. And rumors of his whereabouts in the vicinity of Cleveland, Ohio, are clearly intended to mislead.-
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Edmar141 year, 3 months ago
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I wouldn't be concerned about "Jewbob". I would be seriously concerned and worried that there are people like you allowed to run around without leash and rabies shots, Georgia50. Everyone is responsible for their actions. Mental illness is no longer a valid defense.
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Truzseeker1 year, 3 months ago
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especially when the EPA admits in its report that "The other product of thermite reaction is molten iron." found at the World Trade Center sites. For whatever reason, I was not able to post this report here ... enjoy it ... http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/fulltext.pdf
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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Enjoy some scientific truth: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?nav=hpPrint=print
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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To Georia50 ~
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I'll be Googling it in a sec - but what the heck is "JewBob"?
Maybe I should read up on it before I comment - but I can't
help feeling like I need a shower after reading that comment.
Do I think Israel has behaved abominably for decades - hidden the
facts and called in favors from their powerful friend - the USA?
Without question. But at the same time I am NOT anti-Semitic
- and your comment sound's as if somebody is.................
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Okay Georgia50 ~
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I have Googled "JewBoy" and I am still in the dark.
I found a movie by Tony Krawitz and a book by Alan Kaufman.
I don't see how either of those would have any relevance to
the "J -B" in your comment.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah well -
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Gee thanks for the polite enlightenment. Sorry though - after
following your link - I find I have as much affection for "JewBoy"
as I did when blacks started calling each other the "N" word.
I prefer NOT to be so "Today" and "with it".
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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Did you read the story, engineer? The man in question was aquitted of terror charges, confessed to a lesser charge, and was convicted to deportation. Yet he remains locked in prison, unable to speak to his council, and unable to see his family.
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How is that antiJudaism and hate?-
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Edmar141 year, 3 months ago
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Willotica, do you know anything about antiwar.com? Their editors are opinionated and bigoted and none of them have ever been able to get their views printed in a reputable journal. That is why the web is used by just about every lunatic group with an opinion. Our founding fathers recognized when they added freedom of speech to the bill of rights, that they were unable to regulate stupidity. If you actually believe anything that these people write, I suggest a good series of sessions with your local therapist or at the least a good inner look at yourself to see if you actually are able to think for yourself. I would have thought that your education would have left your mind open to some type of reality. Read the above posts to see how much hate is being spewed by Hyperbola, Antibrain and Georgia50. BTW, antiwar.com is noted to be less than impartial.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Nope, just upholding the basic standards of american democracy: equal justice for all. There are many other places in which we need to apply that standard and stop abuse by zionists in our government.
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Why is Hezbollah, but not Israel, on the terrorism list?
There is no evidence of terrorism by Hezbollah, which regularly condemns acts of terrorism on religious grounds. AIPAC has pressured the State Dept. into putting Hezbollah on the list on phony grounds. In contrast, there are more than 6600 documented acts of israeli state terrorism against Lebanon.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/05/15/why-is-hezbollah-but-not-israel-on-the-terrorism-list//-
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
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> There is no evidence of terrorism by Hezbollah...
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Well, this is not exactly the case:
Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:
a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;
the suicide truck bombings that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;
the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane’s pilot leaning out of the ******* with a gun to his head;
two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina—the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).
a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel.
As a matter of fact, prior to Sept. 11, Hezbollah could claim credit for taking more American lives in a single attack than any other terrorist organization.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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coolrayfruge ~
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You are correct.
Terrorists and those that undermine civilization can be
found wearing a kaffiyeh - or a yarmulke or a flag pin.
Americans need to show a little more depth - especially
with a wealth of information available online about ALL
sides of the issue. We have begun to identify terrorists -
with a capital "T" - as if we were using flash cards!
If they are of Middle Eastern descent? They better be
able to PROVE they are NOT a terrorist threat to us - or else.
This Cotton Mather form of American justice will destroy us.
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SFCGuyW1 year, 3 months ago
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I enlisted into the military during Viet Nam & stayed until retirement. I am also scholared in Constitutional Law. In the military and subsequent jobs I took Oaths of Office in which I swore to uphold the US Constitution. I am avid about the Constitution & demand that my gov't - federal & states - and all officials of law - uphold the Constitution. Sadly, though virtually all of the officials involved - police, prosecutors, judges, various state & federal dept. heads and even lower mgmt in the federal adminstration - take the same Oath to uphold the US Constitution. Yet many, as in this case, violate their Oath by violating the Constitution. Just because the President or one of his lackeys says it is OK to do something does not mean the thing he is supporting does not violate the Constitution or federal law. No official in the govt has the Constitutional authority to violate or order to be violated this important document.
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This man was found Not Guilty in a court of law, yet our govt still holds him and has openly threatened to levy multiple charges against him, even though they have no evidence.
Our Constitution mandates protections for ALL persons in the USA & that has been held by the US Supreme Court to mean every person who is in the USA - citizen, legal resident, tourist, illegal immigrants, etc. What is it about the Bush regime that prevents them from understanding this?!?-
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"Al-Arian has now admitted providing assistance to help the Palestinian Islamic Jihad a specially designated terrorist organization with deadly goals as the government has alleged from the start."
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Which judge has ruled Al-Arian's prosecution and detention illegal?
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Edmar141 year, 3 months ago
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I have a cousin who is a US senator and a very good friend who is also a US senator. I sent both of them copies of Antibrainwasher's above comment on AIPAC and the Jewish owned media. After 30 minutes I received a phone call from my cousin who was at his computer when my e-mail arrived. He apologized for the delay (30 minutes) in replying to me, but he it took him that long to stop laughing at Antibrain's post. My other friend replied quite simply in a reply e-mail. She said that she wouldn't waste her time even attempting to comment on garbage of that kind.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Why do you suppose that zionists caught in treason to the US (Feith, Wolfowitz, ...) by the FBI are not prosecuted and then play a major role in lying the US into a war with Iraq?
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Serving Two Flags
Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush Administration
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-green.html
Drinking the Kool-Aid
http://www.mepc.org/journal_vol11/0406_lang.asp
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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Really, 30 minutes laughing at something that isn't funny? Yes, conspiracy theory it might be, but at the most it's a sad story. Unless, of course, you liken it to Dilbert. You see, Dilbert can be extremely funny... not for the content itself, but because it so closely resembles the truth.
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Anti's post was not roll on the floor laughing kind of funny, it was odd... but from the point of view of someone who disagreed completely, I'd just write anti's posts off as insane, maybe get a 3-second chuckle and move on with my day.
So 2 replies to a concern which (to antibrainwasher's mind, anyway) is serious: ridicule and dismissal. Way to represent, Senators!-
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
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> So 2 replies to a concern which (to antibrainwasher's mind, anyway) is serious: ridicule and dismissal.
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I have a 3rd one: how come the Muslims (who have in their disposal such amounts of petrodollars all Jewish moguls can not even dream about) were (and still are) unable to create an even more powerful lobby than the AIPAC? How come the Muslims are unable to overtake control of all that Jewish-controlled media?
Do you (and others complaining about AIPAC and Jewish controlled media) really believe that the Muslims are SO DUMB that they do not understand how important controlling hte US is and prefer to spend their trillions on silver Audis and gold toilets???
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well Edmar, then that is two zionist senators that we need to see are NEVER ever elected to another postion in the US, even dog catcher. They clearly do not understand the fundamentals of American democracy.
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Any federal prosecutor that abuses his office by using it for vendettas based on his personal "politics" (in this case in support of a foreign country - israel) needs to be fired immediately, indicted for abuse, tried, convicted and jailed.
It seems your cousin and friend are guilty of similar behavior.
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Thinker221 year, 3 months ago
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> America's frredom comes from opposing reigious and other discrimination.
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This is one of the (extremely rare) cases I have to agree with you, Hyperbola...
Now, can you tell me the names of the states where Muslim majority and non-Muslim minorities have the very same equal rights guaranteed by the state laws? If you can not (there are no such states) you should realize WHERE America can (and should) oppose religious (and other) discrimination.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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This from the story sums it up nicely..
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"The prosecution's conduct is typical of the Bush administration … in that it will not accept defeat, whether from a jury or a judge," stated Horton. "When they fail to get the relief they seek, they simply connive another way to secure it."
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