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Posted By bruhaha 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsSo the G.O.P. has found its issue for the 2008 election. For the next three months the party plans to keep chanting: “ Drill here! Drill now! Drill here! Drill now! Four legs good, two legs bad. O.K., I added that last part.
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bruhaha1 year, 3 months ago
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FTA: "know-nothingism — the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there’s something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise — has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party’s de facto slogan has become: “Real men don’t think things through.”"
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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Great article! Krugman has nailed it with that paragraph.
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I'd like to say the pride in ignorance started with Bush, but it didn't--it's been percolating up ever since Reagan's "supply-side" voodoo economics and gained popularity during Newt Gingrich's "Contract on America."
It's only reached critical mass during the current administration, when all pretense of actually considering consequences was dropped in favor of wishfully imagining that the best-case scenario is the only possible one--when Republicans actually started bragging about the fact that Bush "shoots from the hip."
Shooting from the hip, incidentally, is an excellent way to miss your target and cause mindless destruction. Even the NRA recommends against it. -
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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The feds study on the impact of offshore drilling found that "Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant."
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And they were talking about as far out as the year 2030, offshore dwelling would produce no significant price change.
But don't take my word for it, go here and see-
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html-
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html
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(I've heard you have to put the link first in your comment to make it operable in the thread.) -
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chevydog1 year, 3 months ago
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Decent points. Though if you read the article, almost all the dates are based on an assumption of no leasing until 2012.
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My thinking has always been this would be small step, but a necessary one. It is not a solution simply because there is no single solution--may be dozens of partial ones, each of which will have to be done. Recall that we've doing absolutely nothing --zilch-- for something like 25 years; mostly because the politicians of BOTH parties have been preoccupied with pointing fingers. The damage from this won't be reversed overnight; but it won't be reversed at all of we can't even ratchet up the will to do even small things.
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mmrhe1 year, 3 months ago
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What we are really talking about here is FEAR. People are AFRAID that oil will skyrocket and leave them poor so it makes perfect sense to them to drill on our land where we have some CONTROL over what happens.
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The Republicans will use this fear to their advantage if the Dems foolishly let them....-
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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Which is why Obama said, correctly btw, that you will save more money by keeping your engine tuned and your tires properly inflated than by jumping on the drill everything bandwagon.
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Of course the McCainiacs then tried to attack the Dems for using science to make an incredibly obvious and correct economic point. Only an elitist would tell the truth and save us billions instead of giving away millions more in handouts to Big Oil. -
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antibrainwasher1 year, 3 months ago
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How the GOP Got Stuck On Stupid
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Imagine the ignorant fast-talking and opinionated schoolyard bullies and jerks many of us encountered back in grade school. Now, they’re all grown up. That pretty much describes the bulk of political parasites that have infested the Republican Party over the last 20-plus years. The rhetoric and integrity of this once Grand Old Party has become deeply infected by some of the most morally bankrupt political and intellectual hacks in history-
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Historylover1 year, 3 months ago
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I would agree that the GOP has many "political parasites," but so does the opposing side. Politics in general seem to be a place for these type of people to thrive. I for one would probably vote democrat if they were not pro-choice. I can't understand how a party that seems to want to protect the weak and/or poor are not willing to protect the weakest and poorest from annihilation. I am not trying to start an abortion debate, as we all know it will get nowhere, I just can't help thinking the democrats would win hands down if they considered the morally conservatives in America.
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Bonded1 year, 3 months ago
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Everyone is missing the point about drilling. It is a long term solution to a growing problem. Do you think the price of oil is going down? Are supplies going to rise? Do you think that in ten years the world won't be using gasoline powered vehicles? Have we no concern for our own national security?
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Show me the ideas to resolve these issues from the Democrats.-
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splitrch1 year, 3 months ago
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Increased domestic oil production is certainly part of the solution. We also need nuclear as well as clean, renewable sources of energy such as solar and wind. There are no easy answers. My concern is this: we can pump all the domestic oil we can find but without more refineries the oil companies will sell crude internationally and we would have given them license to drill on government controlled property and get zero benefit for Americans. Now, if more refineries can be built in time for new fields to come on line and if we can require domestic oil production to be refined and sold in the USA I have no problem. It is however a stopgap for the ultimate solution which is electric vehicles, solar power and as little fossil fuel as possible.
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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> Everyone is missing the point about drilling. It is a long term solution to a growing problem.
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No, everyone understands. You, sir, are missing the point.
Drilling is a long-term problem, not the solution. The solution is to find alternative fuels and energy sources. It will take ten or fifteen years for these oil rigs, their pipelines, and the new refineries to finally start meeting their promised goal of producing an insignificant amount of oil.
In the meantime, we are losing the alternative energy race to the Europeans and the Asians.
Applied Materials, the US equipment manufacturer that has invented and produces entire solar equipment factories from the ground up, has huge business going in Europe and Asia is picking up. They have yet to sell a single factory in America.
You want ideas from Dems, look up their websites, do your homework. Don`t worry, their websites don`t bite, I promise.
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TheBigTomata1 year, 3 months ago
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Let's look at Drilling not from a party's view but one of common sense. I hear from one side ten years and the other side two years, well if we start now aren’t we one day closer even if it takes one hundred years. It's not like we have to choose between drilling and finding other sources of energy right. What is drilling right now going to hurt? While we're drilling we can also develop better batteries more energy harnessing windmills better solar panels and find a way to get rid of spend nukes so the tree huggers can be happy too. No we should just sit on our hands and wait for something to come around the corner.
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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Well, the drilling vs alternative debate is real.
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Every dime spent supporting and giving tax breaks to Big Oil is a dime that could have been spent promoting energy independence.
Those offshore oil rigs could just as likely be wave-generated energy platforms: renewable, free, and incredibly environmentally friendly.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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his wingnut actually thinks that the oil companies would spend billions of dollars and drill for oil for ten years to only make a few pennies? Yeah right.
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Moveon protested in Houston yesterday at Corbison’s office saying oil have no value at all. Errrrr look around you at all the stuff made from oil.
I also found it funny that when pressed, each and every one of them admitted that they drove to the rally in their personal cars! Yeah buddy those tires, the plastics and rubber items and gas really had no use.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago
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“Remember how the Iraq war was sold. The stuff about aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds was just window dressing. The main political argument was, “They attacked us, and we’re going to strike back” — and anyone who tried to point out that Saddam and Osama weren’t the same person was an effete snob who hated America, and probably looked French.”
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This pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. A land of ill tempered sheep, ready to believe the patently ridiculous, as long as it is cloaked in apple pie and family values.
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captgeobob1 year, 3 months ago
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I am very surprised that so many people don't have the slightest idea on the mechanics of drilling for oil and the fact that oil and coal are here to stay and be used for many more years. I really can't fanthom that alot you don't realize this, yet cling to the idea that all of sudden one day soon everyone will be using some type of alternative energy source. Not going to happen, not in your lifetime.
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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mmm, it is too late, too expensive, too risky, doesn`t help, won`t create any competition, and delays the real solution of alternative energy.
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However, if you cons refuse to admit the obvious, fine, why don`t you start drilling in Crawford?
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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http://whereistand.com/AriannaHuffington/1016
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She sent this link via e-mail just now.-
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.stkate.edu/physics/phys100/17-Caribou_no_impact%5B1%5D.jpg
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I'm glad she took the caribou out of the equation.
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bruhaha1 year, 3 months ago
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BTW, the article wasn't about the "pros and cons" of drilling. The article is how the GOP, is going to run on the idea that drilling tomorrow is going to lower the price of gas today and that lowering of the price of gas will be significant.
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