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Posted By engineer 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsForeign Minister Hoshyar Zebari told reporters that American and Iraqi negotiators were "very close" to reaching a long-term security agreement that will set the rules for U.S. troops in Iraq after the U.N. mandate expires at the end of the year.
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uncle-dave1 year, 4 months ago
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The Iraqi Government wants a "very clear time line" for troop withdrawal.
Seantor Obama:
"The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government."
Senator McCain:
“I do not want to keep our troops in Iraq a minute longer than necessary...."
"Our goal is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops."
"To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq is the height of irresponsibility."
It sounds like Senator Obama and the Iraqi government are more aligned in their efforts to end the occupation of Iraq than Senator McCain.
According to one of Senator McCain's earlier comments he is willing to stay there 100 years, I don't think that is the timeline that the Iraqi government is thinking of. -
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bigurn1 year, 4 months ago
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Remember that the Iraqi government is a loose amalgamation of tribal and sectarian loyalties. Some things are being said for effect; this might be one of them.
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The overarching effort should be directed at achieving sustainable peace, with the timing being based on this. Remember that we are still in Germany, Japan and Korea, and that the peace effort comes with some measure of responsibility for the future.-
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bigurn1 year, 4 months ago
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Mik: Why not take him at his word?
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1 tour in Japan
1 tour in German
1 tour in England/Ireland
2 tours in Iraq
1 tour in, well, let's call it the "Persian Gulf Theater of Operations"
Last 3 as a commander, which includes interaction with local leaders.
Not good enough?
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 4 months ago
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Hello Bigurn:
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Could you please clarify your comment?
I am not sure who to thank for the service.
Or who's input I should temper my judgment based on their experience.
I have just read Endoscopys and your Bios and I think you are talking about yourself.
I have nothing but respect for you and all the other folks that offered their life for this country.
It is a part of my faith and responsibility to question the civilian leaders that put our warriors in harms way.
Please: if we bump heads in the future and past, understand that it is not disrespect.
It seems we strongly disagree on some issues, but I am glad to read your point of view, and I hope that in some way that you can understand that my point of view is deliberated.
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bigurn1 year, 4 months ago
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GW, there are accidental deaths in all facets of military life, just like there are in civilian life.
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Accidental deaths account for approximately 1/3 of the total KIA counts for the AG TOO. While this seems like a large percentage (it was 7% in Vietnam), it is largely due to the vastly lower combat death rate in OIF vs Vietnam. It is a positive, if not an obvious one.
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Lurch1 year, 4 months ago
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> Some things are being said for effect; this might be one of them.
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Speaking of firing for effect, how about `we will stay til we achieve victory`. Or `the surge is working`, when all the experts say the reduction is violence is mainly due to negotiations with Al Sadr and The Awakening.
How about the fact that every poll taken has indicated 70% to 90% of Iraqis want US troops out? More `effect`?
> The overarching effort should be directed at achieving sustainable peace, with the timing being based on this.
Hence the need to remove our troops from Iraq. From the beginning, our troops were the destabilizing factor - we invaded. AQ in Iraq, the insurgents, and the civil war were all a reaction to our troops being in Iraq. Obama understands this fact, McCain either doesn`t care about the needless deaths or is just not smart and presidential enough to `get it`.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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There is the foolishness that the liberals live by.
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We added troops
We changed the strategy.
We killed more terrorists and they have no organized places left.
Causalities and bombings are down.
How can we make it not the military doing their job.
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Beau78901 year, 4 months ago
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Endoscopy, surely you can't be serious?
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How long will you keep citing a short-term drop in violence in one place as evidence we're "winning"? Especially when you're ignoring rises in violence in other places?
Terrorists have "no organized places left"? Get real. How are things going for us in Afghanistan?
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Grrr1 year, 4 months ago
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Surely you are not trying to deny that a trillion dollar illegal military invasion and 5 plus year occupation was absolutely unnecessary to depose Sadam? Heck, we rushed the invasion so he couldn't negotiate to abdicate and leave the country.
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And the fact that there were no terrorists there before we got there (and failed to secure the borders)? Care to 'splain, Lucy?
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fsev411 year, 4 months ago
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Bigurn obviously has a strong military background as does john McCain. I served my time in the army back just before the draft ended. I consider it a good time but I fear that career or near carrer military tend to see military solutions to problems rather than diplomatic. They like the "big stick" part but don't care to "walk softly".
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And yes we definitely added to instability in the ME.
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AntiNeoCon1 year, 4 months ago
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They have been wanting us to leave for sometime now. We are part of the problem, not the solution which the current administration would have you believe. Bush just don't want to leave all that good oil which was supposed to help pay for the war. Heck, its not even paying for reconstruction, time for us to get out we have donated enough.
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Will13131 year, 4 months ago
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Wolfie...
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FTA...
But Zebari made clear that the Iraqis would not accept a deal that lacks a timeline for the end of the U.S. military presence.
"No, no definitely there has to be a very clear timeline," Zebari replied when asked if the Iraqis would accept an agreement that did not mention dates.
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seems you neo-cons.. are behind the times... the above statement was MADE YESTERDAY... -
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nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago
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Now that the Iraqi Government has asked the UGLY AMERICANS to leave their country, John "Iraq war" McCain and his "ear piece" the "Arab hating" PIG from CT can end their criticism of Barak Obama that he is "legislating failure in Iraq".
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It shows Obama was on a right track that is in sync with Iraqis.
So, the hypocrites McCain & the PIG need not worry confusing themselves with Shiites & Sunnis and Iraq shares its border with Pakistan. Both height of stupidity and ignorance. -
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nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago
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The heavily self censored America media is not telling that polls in 5 leading European polls conducted right here gives 73% to Obama. If the corrupt American media tells that Obama is leading with 73%, who will watch their political programs?
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It is the same corrupt media that did nothing to investigate or kept secret all Bush lies and manipulations used to invade Iraq.
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nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago
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The heavily self censored America media is not telling that in 5 leading European polls conducted right here gives 73% to Obama. If the corrupt American media tells that Obama is leading with 73%, who will watch their political programs?
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It is the same corrupt media that did nothing to investigate or kept secret all Bush lies and manipulations used to invade Iraq.
If you go by corrupt American media poll, you will be surprised on the morning of Nov. 5th. -
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 4 months ago
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
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World military expenditure = $1100 billion
US Military expenditure = $623 billion
Okay I have been poking around a bit: and can call bullsh!t on these numbers.
I do think that if you take into account NATO and SAP (special access programs, Black budget) we do spend about the same amount on defense as the rest of the world combined.
I wasted a bunch of time this evening trying to back up my numbers.
Unfortunately the CIA fact book now only lists military expenditure as a percent of GDP, this was not the case previously. (I think because military and government spending are part of the GDP those numbers are bush!t)
Basically we pay 10 times more than the next country out of our paycheck for defense.
1 half of our discretionary budget goes to DOD.
When my hard drive gets full, I look for the biggest non-system files first to delete.
There are a lot of hidden files dedicated to defense.
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