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Posted By TimALoftis 1 year, 4 months ago in News

AMERICAN law enforcement agencies fear Barack Obama will be the target of a violent attack by white supremacists at the Democratic convention in Denver this month.

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    Wolfie20071 year, 4 months ago

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    I'd like to see a list of these white supremacists web sites just to see if they really exist.

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      fsev411 year, 4 months ago

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      Most folks get older and wiser. You're the exception that proves the rule Wolf. You get dumber by the minute. From your past posts I would suspect you are looking for an organization to join. OK start the name calling!

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        Wolfie20071 year, 4 months ago

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        So where's the list wiseacre? It's easy to call names and insinuate but please quote my posts which make you suspect I'm looking to join a racist organization.
        Also, what do you mean start the name calling? It appears you've already started calling names.

        So put up or shut up!
        1.) The list
        2.) The quotes

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          Beau78901 year, 4 months ago

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          Why don't you turn off filtering on Google and search white supremacists? Or KKK? Or any other of the hundreds of possible search terms?

          Are you seriously doubting the existence of white supremacist hate groups?

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            vandeewine1 year, 4 months ago

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            Wolfie -- are you so obtuse that you honestly doubt the existence of hate groups who would want to see Obama harmed or killed? Have you ever heard of Google? Google the word "white supremacy" or "KKK" or any of the possible permutations that go along with those kinds of groups. Are you really too stupid to do your own research? Figure it out, dummy.

            You have to be the biggest idiot in the world if you really don't think this threat exists, or that there are hateful people out there who would wish him harm.

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            cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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            Well, he's gone from two legs to four, so that kind of indicates retrogression, doesn't it? lol

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            Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago

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            "I'd like to see a list of these white supremacists web sites just to see if they really exist.

            What, not to sign up?"

            C'mon, fess up, "Wolfie."

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              jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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              The Southern Poverty Law Center has monitored hate groups like the KKK, Christian Identity, Neo Nazi and white supremist groups for decades. They recently added the right wing Christian organization, Family Research Council, to its list of active hate groups.
              The oldest hate web site is stormfront.org. In the upper right of that site you'll see a picture of Paul Fromm. He's 'faux' news' poster child for freedom of speech.

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                schmirt1 year, 4 months ago

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                This is what is suspect from Obama nation---the growing list of all who disagree as "hate mongering". The "family research council"? The eventual criminalization of opposition.

                II think the Southern Poverty Law Ctr does important work. Unfortunately, they. like ACLU, or the Anti-defamination League have let politics rule over thier noble missions.

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                  jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                  . The "family research council"? The eventual criminalization of opposition.>>>>

                  http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=524

                  Hate speech is hate speech, and SPLC has the common sense to know what hate is. They don't allow groups to hide behind 'bibles' to spew that hate. You have the 'politics' of hate backwards.

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                    Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                    ...THIS from a politiskank???

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                    MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago

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                    Gee, why would the Democrats let these people into their convention? If someone from one of those groups did something to Obama, it would be worse than the King assassination.

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                      cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                      The first sentence of your postis a majorly naive statement, MajJohn, and I think you know it!

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                        jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                        Gee, why would the Democrats let these people into their convention?>>>>

                        That makes no sense.

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                      Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago

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                      http://www.aryan-nations.org/

                      Tried to post a list of them, but it was filtered as spam. Do a Google search on "Christian Identity". "Creativity Movement" will net you a list of whack-jobs as well.

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                        Candida1 year, 4 months ago

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                        Here you go Wolfie. Take your pick.
                        http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

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                          Wolfie20071 year, 4 months ago

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                          Well, thanks Candida. I only asked for a list of the groups who were alleged to be threating Obama. I got some lists but I have no idea if these are the groups who are doing the threating. Also, you insulted me and it was insinuated that I am a racists per some of my previous comment. I asked for those comments to be quoted to me but so far I have received nada.............

                          I only asked a question and how many of you made personal insulting remarks that have no basis in fact? Talk about the politics of dysfunction.

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                            Candida1 year, 4 months ago

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                            Wolfie, you wrote: "I'd like to see a list of these white supremacists web sites just to see if they really exist."

                            You can't possibly be naive enough to believe that no white supremacist group exists in the US. I'm not a fan of Jerry Spinger and similar shows, but even I've seen them spewing their hate. I've seen little 2-year-olds dressed up into the "uniform" of the KKK.

                            You asked for a list of white supremacists and they are shown on the map that I've provided. Knowing their names, I'm sure you can find their websites on your own. Of course none of them will openly threaten Obama because they don't want the law breathing down on their necks. As the article mentioned, even the head of the KKK only suggested that he is convinced that "someone" will take care of this little problem.

                            I confirm that I've never seen any racist comments made by you, and I don't think I've ever accused you of racism either. I'm sarcastic sometimes, but I don't go for personal attacks. My sarcasm in this case was directed at your real or pretend naivety.

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                          bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                          Most white supremist groups are just thugs with bad haircuts. The KKK has long been a has-been group. I don't see why this justifies closing an interstate highway during a speech inside a stadium.

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                            jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                            Dismissing hate groups is naive' to say the least.

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                              bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                              I think labeling every group of loudmouths as a hate group is equally naive.

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                                jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                Like who are only "loudmouths" & no other threat? I haven't a clue who you're talking about. In a post above I listed the groups that are of concern by their actions, such as the KKK. If you want a comprehensive list of the 'doings' by hate groups, go to the SPLC website. Your comment is a generalization, and makes absolutely no sense.

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                                  bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  I suspect you are overstating the risk. The KKK and most white supremists groups don't have the resources and organization to do anything other than their goofy spectacles.

                                  And why only white supremist groups? Why not others? Surely if those knuckleheads are a risk, so are others.

                                  Where do you draw the line between a legitimate freedom of speech and hate speech?

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                                    jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                    I suspect you are overstating the risk.>>>>

                                    Well as long as it isn't your job to monitor hate groups (FBI), I don't care what you 'suspect.'

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                                      cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                      Either you are in denial, or you belong to one of them! Either is sickening.

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                                    Beau78901 year, 4 months ago

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                                    bigurn, I certainly hope you're not a supporter of the Dept. of Homeland Security's tactics to secure the U.S. against what they call terrorists.

                                    Their methods (and the accompanying infringements on all U.S. citizens' constitutional liberties) are far more drastic than any taken against white supremacist hate groups here.

                                    To paraphrase your comment, labelling every group of loudmouths (or Muslims) as a terrorist group is also naive.

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                                      bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                      Oy, vey! It's a question of resources, and a question of abilities. Few Muslim groups have the resources to be a threat, and the ones who are not a threat have nothing to fear.

                                      The same holds true for white supremist d-bags.

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                                        Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                        Few Muslim groups have the resources to be a threat, and the ones who are not a threat have nothing to fear.

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                                        9/11 was pulled off for around 500K.. training.. housing, travel, box cutters

                                        lots of groups can come up with 500K.. no problem..

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                                memestryker1 year, 4 months ago

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                                You might also find the U.S. Terror Map and Global Incident map useful. They show everything from right-wing groups to environmental and animal rights extremists who use terrorist tactics.

                                http://www.investigativeproject.org/maps.php
                                http://www.globalincidentmap.com/map.php

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                                  bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  That's a very neat map! A few things I noticed right away:

                                  1) Nothing, zero, nada, in Colorado
                                  2) Significantly higher incident rate in the Northern U.S. vs the South (the unspoken and supposed hotbed of white supremist activity)
                                  3) Hoaxes are counted on par with actual incidents. Not sure I'd agree with that.

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                                    Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago

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                                    Not sure of the usefulness of these maps in regards to racist activity. The vast majority have to do with international terrorist groups.

                                    Here's a map of active skinhead groups in the US:

                                    http://www.adl.org/racist_skinheads/skinhead_map.asp

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                                AntiNeoCon1 year, 4 months ago

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                                Wolfy you might try googling "NeoCon", I am sure you can wing it from there. Or FoxNews, Rush LImball, Hannity....many others out there to assist you.

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                                  schmirt1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  Are you part of Obama nation? Soon all right wing radio will be shut down followed by the criminalization of all opposition where all "neo cons" will be hunted down....perhaps many symbolic leaders first like Bush, Cheney, Gonalez, Ashcroft, Pearl etc will be persecuted first by committee investigation, impeachment, etc. The rest labeled as hate mongerers etc.

                                  A new leader drawing large rallies, establishing a cult of personaiity, promising an ever active government into the lives of people and ushering in a true one party state. I smell fascism on the march.

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                                    cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                    So how many racist, white supremacist groups do you belong to, Schmirt? If none, I'm sure you're ripe and ready for recruitment.

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                                    Wolfie20071 year, 4 months ago

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                                    jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                    Obama's right, these repugs are proud of their ignorance.>>>>>

                                    When I heard him say that, I applauded. He is spot on!

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                                      Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                      ...the new slogan is,NeoConArtists: no answers, no compassion, no honesty, no honor, no integrity, no shame: no thanks!!!

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                                        Candida1 year, 4 months ago

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                                        I know that every country has it's nutcases, but judging by the number of assassinations and assassination attempts, the US seems to have more than its fair share.

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                                          nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago

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                                          With Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rowe, Fox News, Washington Times and John "confederate racist" McCain what else can one expect when a highly qualified African American is a nominee for the President?

                                          If the Republican nominee can run an TV Ad featuring blond bimbos questioning the candidacy of a candidate of color, is it not giving ammo to racists pigs?

                                          I am sure millions of sane Americans will put these racist pigs in to places where really belong.

                                          The message should be, if you cannot tolerate an African American being elected President, give up your citizenship and leave. I'm sure there is no country on earth that will take these bigots.

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                                            schmirt1 year, 4 months ago

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                                            Label all opposition to Obama as bigots---never argue over content sounds like your message.

                                            I agree that millions of sane Americans should not tolerate racists. However, I am not sure every critique of experience or stated policy intentions of a candidate is an expression of race....and it is only percieved as such by one who is obsessed with race.

                                            Deconstruct every ad and add up the skin colors all you want to connect the dots. Millions of sane Americans will see who is really desperate to play the race cards.

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                                              cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              Like alcoholics, drug addicts, adulterers and perverts, bigots are more often than not in denial. With each post you submit here, Schmirt, you're revealing yourself by category....and it's not a pretty picture!

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                                            nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago

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                                            Here is a McCain skit from a Swedish comedian>

                                            . McCain is ready to bed but could not find his viagra bottle.
                                            . He screams at Cindy asking where his viagra bottle is gone.
                                            . She says I don't. Suddenly she realizes. She says the dogs and the cats were playing with it.
                                            . McCain walks in to the pet room
                                            . He is astonished to see all his cats and dogs sitting with their tails in "SOLID UPRIGHT" position.
                                            . He could not help himself from screaming "you bit%$#S".
                                            . He calls his campaign staff.
                                            . He says "make a TV Ad immediately to say Obama sneaked in to my house and stole my viagra bottle.
                                            . The campaign manager says Obama has no ED.
                                            . McCain says, who cares. Wait a minute. HA HA HA
                                            . OK. Change the commercial.
                                            . Say Obama has ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                              miklkit1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              This is a very real threat. Even a commenter on faux noise has advocated ************ Obama on national television. Did she ever get punished? Not that I have heard. Those fascist pigs are serious about their hatred and disdain for the rule of law.

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                                                miklkit1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                ************ is a bad word? Ok, how about killing.

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                                                  MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                  Same thing happened to me. "assassination", was spelled wrong and the filters picked up on the "a$$". :0)

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                                                    Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                    ...will they EVER get that Fisher-Price reject replaced???

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                                                  jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                  I missed hearing about that.Do you know who she is?

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                                                    amazed1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                    There was a whole thread or two a few months back. She wasn't a Fox employee, she was some talking head that hardly anyone had ever heard of. She didn't really call for his assassination, she did make a bad joke that we would be better off if he was dead or if someone shot him. Extremely poor taste, but really milder than Bill Maher's wish for Cheney to be dead (she was clearly joking, Maher appeared to be genuinely wishing for Cheney's death, but that was also taken out of context, so perhaps he was joking but being very dry.

                                                    Just as many on the right went apesh*t over Maher, many on the left were ballistic over this chick.

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                                                      cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                      ...she was clearly joking.....was she? Or signaling for some sick lunatic to take her up on it? I, for one, did not find it funny at all. I found it disturbing and outrageously irresponsible - worthy of censure and a big, FAT, fine!

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                                                        slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                        I think you ‘may’ be talking about what ED Hill said? I don’t remember her saying anything about us being better off if he were dead. I thought she made a comment about Obama and his wife bumping knuckles and saying something about it being a terrorist handshake? That in itself was bad enough and it cost her, she was off air for a while, though I don’t recall the thing about wishing them dead. I’m not saying it happened or not, but maybe the facts have been skewed in being told over and over and morphed into her wishing death or something.

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                                                          cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                          She was speaking about the assassination of OBL but instead of saying Osama, she said Obama, then laughed and said, well, either one would be good. (May not be an exact quote, but accurate as far as implication.)

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                                                            slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            Oh yes I remember, now YOU ARE CORRECT, THE ed hILL THING STILL HAPPENED THOUGH.

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                                                            Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            Sorry Slate...I saw it...it was definitely a chica making hate speech...
                                                            ...by the way...why do they call partisan commentators "pundits"???
                                                            ...I've NEVER heard a one of them crack a pun...

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                                                            jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            Have to ask' how you know she was 'joking.'

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                                                              djn3nunez31 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              Bill Maher's wish for Cheney to be dead (she was clearly joking, Maher appeared to be genuinely wishing for Cheney's death

                                                              What Maher said:

                                                              "I have zero doubt that if **** Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow ... I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.”

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                                                          slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                          No matter what someone thinks about a politician, we as a country should never support ANYONE that would assassinate any of them. I hope the authorities does a good job of protecting Obama, because if elected he will be my president as well.

                                                          Political bickering on a site like this is one thing, condoning the death or harm to our political leaders should never be allowed and should be taken seriously. That’s why I get upset when many here say the same sorts of things about Bush.

                                                          If you don’t want someone to be president vote against them, don’t threaten them. These people don’t even realize that by murdering a candidate they only elevate them.

                                                          Fickin nut jobs.

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                                                            jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            Absolutely right!

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                                                              Ratskii1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              slate, FYI: You got a + from me for that one. Same goes for McCain. Assassination is not an option. It is a crime and anyone attempting it is a criminal.

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                                                                slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                I have lines I won't cross, these sorts of things, talking ill of the recently dead because of politics and not allowing people in love to marry because of same sex status.

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                                                                  cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                  Two pos votes from me in one day!!! Whoa, stop the madness! lol Bravo, Slate.

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                                                                    Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                    SLATE .. You're on a roll... giving you a POS on almost every comment..

                                                                    i knew you had it in ya....

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                                                                      slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                      LOL well I see you finally realized I'm not one dimensional in my views! I love the thrill of the battle of wits here, but I never wish harm to anyone in the political process. If they break the law, those laws should apply. When push comes to shove, we are all Americans, we just see the world in different terms, that is not worthy of the death penalty or threats of violence. Anyone that thinks it is has a serious mental disorder.

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                                                                        Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                        "I love the thrill of the battle of wits here,..."

                                                                        (But at what point does it become a battle of twits???)

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                                                                  schmirt1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                  Agree Slate.

                                                                  That there are threats to a candidate is nothing new.

                                                                  In the end, the person who goes through with a threat is probably deranged. The implication by the posts seems to say that the political motivation is the sickness or that political motivation encourages such acts. Its only marginally relevant as far as I am concerned. A nut job is a nut job.

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                                                                    cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                    Unfortunately, political motivations can and sometimes do contribute to such threats, as do irresponsible movies, books, radio talk shows, etc. Any avenue by which people can be influenced and persuaded can impact positively or negatively on a weak mind.
                                                                    That is why recklessness and irresponsibility in communication should always be of major concern.

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                                                                  bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                  It's interesting that our current sitting President has had a number of people claim to want to harm him in various sinister ways, yet there is no investigation for "hate crimes". Where's the concern and upswell of indignation?

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                                                                    slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                    Don't hold your breath waiting for that on this site.

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                                                                      cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                      I really haven't seen a lot of advocating for physical harm to Bush, but I have seen a lot of calls for punishment such as impeachment, meting out justice to him and the major players in his administration, resentment and hatred for the perceived crimes he has committed and MANY MANY MANY insults to his intelligence and persona.

                                                                      I admit to being one of the perpetrators.

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                                                                        bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                        It's so common, it's got a name: "Assassination Chic". You should look up that term on your favorite browser.

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                                                                          cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                          Try making some sense, would you?

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                                                                          Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                          ...what's a purpletrator???

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                                                                        Sabretooth1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                        "It's interesting that our current sitting President has had a number of people claim to want to harm him in various sinister ways, yet there is no investigation for "hate crimes". Where's the concern and upswell of indignation?"

                                                                        I think people have less sympathy for war criminals and terrorists, i have never seen another President as hated as this one.

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                                                                          bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                          Oh, you just haven't read your history. Nixon, Buchanan, Truman, all were reviled in their own time.

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                                                                            cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                            They were unpopular and even hated by some, but Bush has taken those sentiments to a whole new level and to a far, far broader scope both nationally and internationally. He is in a class by himself so far.

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                                                                              bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              I seem to remember as a kid the kinds of demonstrations against Nixon and Vietnam. The sense I got was that people were genuinely upset and ready to get out and do something about it - protest.

                                                                              The blogs of today allow people to sound off more easily, but it doesn't speak to a real commitment like actually going outside. Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I got a sense that Nixon hatred was more deeply felt, but along the same lines as today and approximately for the same reasons.

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                                                                                cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                No doubt there were people who hated Nixon just as intensely, but not nearly as many as do Bush today, and then if you factor in the international community, there's just no comparison!

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                                                                            Teagen1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                            BB-64 askes this everytime you guys talk about this. Since he's not here, I'll ask. Where is your proof. What crime has been committed, please sight the laws. We're fighting a group of thugs who would love for you all to be beheaded or convert. Trust me, if your comments of free speach or the like are next, please explain how you were restricted from commenting here. Unless your a conservative, then who knows, That was a problem in the old days.

                                                                            I think if you're going to go after an agency, congress would be a good start, the senate and then agencies like the CIA. We've had our budgets cut, in the military yet the CIA's has continued to grow. Funny, they missed the fall of the USSR, WMD in Iraq, nukes in North Korea and lately they forgot to mention the Russians are back on the move, the Cold War is back. What has the CIA been doing with the trillions we've given them. Didn't find it in our MRE's...

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                                                                              Tangent0011 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              /Movement_to_impeach_Geor..._Bush">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_Geor..._Bush

                                                                              Basically:
                                                                              Warrantless wiretapping
                                                                              Constitutionality and justification of the Iraq invasion
                                                                              Treatment of detainees denial of habeas corpus, extraordinary rendition, torture)

                                                                              There are a few more, but those are certainly my 'big three'.

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                                                                                djn3nunez31 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                "The SC, quite obviously, never ruled that Iraq had missed its ‘final opportunity’ to comply and it must be stressed that the SC is the +only+ body with the right to issue a ruling on whether its requirements have been met. This should be a perfectly obvious ......

                                                                                Nor did 1441, whether breached or not, authorize military action; in fact it was only passed on the specific condition that it did not. As the New York Times noted about the negotiations, "

                                                                                http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/06/292613.html

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                                                                              Candida1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              I think violence against any politician (or anyone really) is outrageous. I would no more condone violence against President Bush than against Obama. However, I would like to see President Bush in the Hague, charged with war crimes.

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                                                                              nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              The sitting President is not worth wasting a bullet. People would rather have him go through what he has given to others; "torture".

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                                                                                bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                You've done an excellent job of illustrating my point exactly. I hope your post makes it to the proper authorities.

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                                                                                captgeobob1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                one question: why do you hate america? Is it because you are unable to attain anything meaningful in your life? It seems you are content and at your best when you attack others views that differ from yours. I doubt you have ever experienced any kind of a loving relationship with anyone and I would expect your future holds little to look forward to, other than living for this one moment when you can express your hostility on a computer and thinking , I am somebody. You keep on thinking that if it makes you feel good about yourself and alot of us will continue to laugh at your ignorant and narrow views.

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                                                                                  Teagen1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                  Well as a long time conservative who is married to life long republican, I can tell you, neither of us cares about Obama's heritage. We both supported Condi Rice. I think this is a lot of puff concerning a rather weak candidate. Since he's taken a vacation, this is the next best way to keep his name in the papers.

                                                                                  The other problem I'm having are the comments made by the racists. Why is it when Rev Wright made comments like this it was fine and protected speech but here it's considered a threat? I dislike both sides in this this fight. I may not like a President, but like my other brothers and sisters in the military, we've sworn an oath to protect this nation. The president's nationality doesn't matter.

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                                                                                    bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                    Teagen, it's a victimology, and nothing more. And you're right, this seems like a way to keep his name in the papers.

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                                                                                      ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                      "Why is it when Rev Wright made comments like this it was fine and protected speech but here it's considered a threat?"

                                                                                      Who did Wright say would be assassinated?

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                                                                                        cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                        Thank you for stating the obvious! If you had not, I would have! Sheesh!!

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                                                                                        bigG1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                        "The president's nationality doesn't matter"

                                                                                        The Constitution says it does matter what the President's 'nationality' is - he(she) must be a 'native born' American citizen.
                                                                                        I think you meant 'ethnicity'.

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                                                                                          Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                          Indeed, bigG. Of course, what a native born citizen is, is up to debate. However, due to how the laws read, McCain was a native born yank no matter where he was born due to what is considered the "law of the blood" and a similar measure applies to Obama, I believe. If one or more parents are yanks, then you are a yank and allowed into the country as a native born citizen.

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                                                                                        sieben131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                        I don't see how this is such a great problem???????Do the same thing you did with the black panther party.kill,jail and disband these racist groups "ONLY IN AMERICA"

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                                                                                          Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                          Ehh... the US does. Look up what the Republicans did to the KKK back in the 19th century for an example and even into the ongoing infiltration of today. I think it was a bit easier for the government to do it to the Black Panthers for two reasons...

                                                                                          1. If I'm not greatly mistaken, the Black Panthers acted as a police force in certain areas where the police just didn't exist. Frankly, I find it to be a good idea, but the government hates challenges to its power in this regard and probably had a few extra tools due to this.

                                                                                          2. Once more, unless I'm greatly mistaken, the Black Panthers were predominantly in urban areas. You'll quickly realize most white supremacist groups are primarily in rural areas, which could lead to making things more difficult. For example, the low population density means everyone knows one another and thus, its difficult to infiltrate such groups. Though plenty of such groups exists in cities, as well.

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                                                                                            jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                            You'll quickly realize most white supremacist groups are primarily in rural areas >>>

                                                                                            http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

                                                                                            Here's the SPLC hate group map. You'll see that here in WA state the hate groups enjoy the cities, with a large contingency of Nazi's and fewer skinheads choosing Seattle. There have been no less than six attacks on gay men here in less than two months. Hate is on the rise.

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                                                                                          markmawn21 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                          Preamble to Operation Chaos?

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                                                                                            Dontdoit1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                            please tell me that all this isnt true!..hope nothing like this ever happens because we dont need to relive the 60's destruction again! please say it aint so, for petes sake...

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                                                                                              Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                              It is all to true. Unfortunately, some areas of the country are still highly racist. My own town drove out the hate groups years ago, but in just ten minutes I can reach a town where the Ku Klux Klan is still active and preaching hate. Frankly, I don't think Obama has TOO much to worry about as the security afforded the President is very good and I think we have more people in the US who might decide to assassinate Bush then white power activists who will actually kill Obama, though I could be wrong. However, it only takes one man and one bullet to kill the President, that's the one thing history has emphatically taught us. It is also worth noting that Obama survived his trip to the town I live in, and like I said... some of those groups are only ten minutes away.

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                                                                                              soldrntx1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                              this is so full of ****, libs trying to scare people. typical tactics

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                                                                                                memestryker1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                In my life I've witnessed the shootings of 2 presidents (JFK & Reagan). There are lunatics and evil people in the world. While most of us have the capacity to cope with the disappointment when our candidate loses, there is a small minority of people out there who will do anything (bomb abortion clinics or science labs that use mice, for example) to intimidate or terrorize when their rigid worldview is not shared by those in power.

                                                                                                I sincerely hope that Mr. Obama doesn't become a target of hatred. Presidents never stay in office longer than 8 years, and the pendulum always eventually swings.

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                                                                                                  Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                  By and large, I think, hate groups are losing the "battle" so to speak. I know the total number of groups have gone up... but does that actually reflect the total number of racists? I've never seen those figures and these hate groups are much like religions... just as one church splinters off to form its own group, so can a hate group and they do. I have a hard time believing that the raw number of racists is on the rise because the youth, by and large, are not racist. The old guard is dying off... and those who would replace them want no part of it. The rise in hate group numbers could actually be an indicator of a loss of cohesiveness of hate organizations in general and thus show that we are winning the fight.

                                                                                                  It is also possible that events like 9/11 triggered a substantial rise in anti-Islam groups... perhaps a combination of the two leading to an increase in the hate groups.

                                                                                                  Anyway, back to the main point. Sen. Obama is in very real danger... it only takes one nut job to kill a man, and this nut job could be racist or he could consider Obama a radical socialist or any number of things. He is in greater danger then most Presidents or nominees and he needs the extra security.

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                                                                                                    Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                    he's gonna need security EVEN IF HE LOSES.... they won't want him to have a second chance...

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                                                                                                      jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                      The SPLC sent me an update a while back that showed the numbers growing. I was especially surprised at the growth in CA. and WA. You may be right about anti Islam growth, but the increase is shown in current groups like the nazi's and KKK etc. Those group also have gays, black, mexicans, etc on their 'agenda's.'

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                                                                                                        Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                        So the actual numbers of people are growing and this is being translated as more groups? Well that's not good, I was hoping the group numbers were growing as they lost a sense of cohesiveness and splintered apart.

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                                                                                                          jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                          So the actual numbers of people are growing and this is being translated as more groups?>>>>

                                                                                                          Did I say it right? Here you go. I found the report on line.

                                                                                                          http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=886

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                                                                                                        Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                        ...one cop I know put it like this..."Obama has to be lucky every time he steps in front of the public...a murderous psycho only has to get lucky once..."

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                                                                                                        MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                        If I were Obama, I'd worry more about a potential threat from his own party, especially, before the election.

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                                                                                                          Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                          McCain should worry about that also... he may have just been a "head fake" all along... let him go out take 3-4 months of "shots" at Obama.. have a stroke just before the convention... and someone more likeable to the "base" steps up.... without the months and months of the press beating him up.. clean candidate .. WINS ELECTION..

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                                                                                                          OBAMAFAN1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                          I am from the south where they still believe in slavery, and look down on martial couples, and wear their rebel hats and flags. I was raised in the midwest, small farm town, and seven black families. I grew up and went to school with these kids, and they were smart and respected. I can't believe how ignorant and hateful these people can be, but the KKK, and similar groups are real. I fear for Senator Obama's life, as many others do, and pray that nothing happens to him, and that he has superior security around the clock. We need a man like him in the White House to shake up this country, and steer us in the right direction where the USA will thrive again, and the middle class will finally get a break.

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                                                                                                            bigurn1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                            I am also from the South, and yes, a few dirtbags still act like idiots. They still wear rebel hats and fly the rebel battle flag. That's freedom of expression.

                                                                                                            I now live in the North, and have seen many more racial problems up here. There is a genuine lack of courtesy and it sometimes manifests itself along racial lines. It continues to improve over time, however. I look forward to a post-racial time, though I understand that there are biases inherent in all people based on their environment, education and personality, that will never be fully eradicated.

                                                                                                            I'm willing to accept that bias and hatred are not the same thing.

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                                                                                                            marcusofmagna1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                            It doesn't suprise me that some radical bunch of ******** idiots would want to shoot Obama, they are truly every where. The reality is that change is the #1 indicator of life and it's too bad there are so many brain dead people running around in this country. While I really don't think Obama is qualified to run the country it has nothing to do with race. I don't think Mccain will do any better in fact I have lost what little faith I was taught as a child in our politicians. This is an insane country to put so much power behind one egomaniac after another. When are we going to wake up and smell the coffee. I also think we are sliding dangerously close to facism, face ti the one who wins will be the one with the most corporations in his pocket, and by the way Bill Clinton was a stain on the credibility of this country.

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                                                                                                              marcusofmagna1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                              is a$$inine really a swear word?

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                                                                                                                Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                Propeller, with its recent updates, has an over-zealous censor as well as spam control for the moment. Also, it is spelled "asinine" for future reference, which is not censored :D

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                                                                                                                  Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                  Also, it is spelled "asinine"

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                                                                                                                  depends on who you are referencing when using the term....

                                                                                                                  statements about some people, the second s is more than appropriate......

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                                                                                                                    Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                    Your right. I can think of a few ******** figures myself!

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                                                                                                                      Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                      L O L...

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                                                                                                                      ind061 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                      or "hineyinine"

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                                                                                                                        Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                        Good one,Indy!!!

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                                                                                                                          ind061 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                          heh :)

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                                                                                                                  obewon1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                  It's a bit of a concern that's for sure. We would hope that people would become wiser as time goes by but obviously that isn't always the case.

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                                                                                                                    regenol1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                    racists know best - http://www.1solist.ro/?p=84

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                                                                                                                      TheNewsseeker1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                      I find it frightening that ultra right-winged groups like the KKK are given the possibility to spread in public and via media their appeals to *********** Barack Obama. Or what else was the sense of this utterance on FOX? I am also still thinking about the enigmatic words of Hillary Clinton, who seemed to look for a job as the next "Oracle of Delphi" after having given up the run for presidency. No bodyguards will be able to protect Obama, if he´s on the black list of some racist idiots, but I really hope that this worst case scenario won´t become reality. The media should deal with this subject very carefully, because they aren´t only a source of information, but for some criminals also a source of inspiration!

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                                                                                                                        Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                        ...are you talking about martyr syndrome???

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                                                                                                                        jscott9461 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                                        Race still divides this country and many parts of the world, lets hope for the good of the world nothing happens to Obama and that he's successfully voted in at the next election.

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