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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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....McCain's call to NATO-ize the war is not only frightening, it's also delusional: both NATO and US forces are already stretched beyond the breaking point, even by Joint Chief of Staff chairman Michael Millen's own recent assessment.
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But McCain's brain remains undeterred by reality, a fact that became painfully clear today in Des Moines when he also demanded, "The US should immediately convene an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to call on Russia to reverse course."
The problem with McCain's bold demand about going to the UN is that Russia already tried doing exactly what McCain called for--and got rejected by McCain's neocon pals in the Bush Administration. Early this morning, Russia convened an emergency session of the UN Security Council, calling on both sides to immediately cease hostilities, return to the negotiating table and renounce the use of force--but the last part about renouncing the use of force is exactly what Georgia's president Mikhail Saakashvili refuses to do.
..... The meaning of this is clear: the United States and Britain are backing Saakashvili's invasion. Why would we back Saakashvili's reckless war, when last year even Bush was denouncing the Pinochet-wannabe's violent attack on his own people during a peaceful opposition protest in Georgia's capital, as well as shutting down the opposition media and exiling of political opponents? That would be a brain-teaser if the last seven years hadn't answered this question so many painful times already.
But with McCain, answering this is a little trickier. When he issued today's Des Moines statement calling for Russia to do what Russia already did a few hours earlier, you have to ask yourself: either McCain's short-term memory is totally shot, encased in an impenetrable tomb of aluminum-zirconium plaque... or worse, McCain simply doesn't give a damn about reality, he just wants to get Georgia's war on, as badly as Saakashvili does. ....-
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4thchance1 year, 4 months ago
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So, what does the great Obamma have to say about all this?
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Oh, never mind, Obamma is on vacation. Obamma has no experience what so ever when it comes to fighting wars. That's EXACTLY why he should not be elected in these days of WARS!-
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dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama is on vacation?? yeah I think I remember a President who got a briefing on terrorists planning to attack the US using commercial jets but was too busy going on vacation to do anything. Odd tho too that same president seemed to have set a record by taking more vacation time in the first three years of his FIRST term then any previous President did in their entire time in office. ROFLMAO, just like a 20% to worry about candidate when they sh9oukld be looking tot he Chimp in Charge to lead. Oh wait yeah he's at the Olympics.
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hamy1 year, 4 months ago
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Um...what is wrong with what he wrote?
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Bush DID take more vacation in his first three years of office than any other president took in their entire run and some of those were two term presidents.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush:_The_War_President_is_Mi...br />
Bush IS in China playing grab hiney with the US Olympic volleyball team while war is breaking out in Russia.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/09/bush-hu-ready-for-another-candid-talk/
He WAS on vacation when he was briefed on terrorist threats at the beginning of his presidency and he DID feel it was unimportant at the time. At least that is what he and his handlers said.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/wire/2004/04/09/911memo/print.html
And he IS at a 20% approval rating.
So, what was he "re-writing?" What was untrue?
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Oh the zioncons in Washington and israel have their boody fingerprints all over this one. Given that they certainly ordered Georgia to attack South Ossetia, the whole incident seems to be a mixture of an "october surprise" for domestic political gain and a continuation of zioncon "oil-games" in the mideast and central Asia.
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Makes one wonder how many people they are willing to kill for political power.
That is why over 70% of American jews are opposed to the ZionCons and why Israelis are increasingly fed up with Zioncons in America victimizing Israel and preventing mideast peace.
Bush's War in Georgia
Washington's bloody fingerprints are all over the invasion of South Ossetia. Georgia President Saakashvili would never launch a massive military attack without explicit orders from his bosses at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Saakashvili owes his entire political career to NeoCon power-brokers and US intelligence agencies.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/11/bushs-war-in-georgia/
War in Georgia: The Israeli connection
The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel's intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army's infantry forces.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/10/war-in-georgia-the-israeli-connection/
A Dirty Adventure — Part 2
Turns out the that Israelis have been supplying the US trained Georgian army with weapons.... Interesting. Israeli arms sales to Georgia are purportedly halted, and the Georgians invade South Ossetia in less than a week....
.... Curiouser and curiouser. The thread that emerges from Bhadrakumar’s analysis, however, is the urgency for the US (and the Israelis) to act quickly to disrupt Russia’s ability to bring natural gas from Turkmenistan to the European market. Otherwise, the US will be forced, to the great dismay of Israel, to broker a deal with Iran so as obtain access to Iranian natural gas to break the Russian monopoly.
Hence, we now see a Georgian invasion of South Ossetia about a week after the Russian announcement of its natural gas agreements with Turkmenistan. The invasion of South Ossetia may well be a strong signal that the US prefers confrontation with the Russians over negotiating a new commercial relationship with the Iranians. In other words, it suggests that the US still sees war as the ultimate solution of its disagreements with them.
The invasion also suggests that the US is incapable of choosing an ally in the region, and persists in the hope that it can economically and militarily dominate both the Russians and the Iranians, and through them, just about every country in Central Asia. Such arrogance is likely to be ruinous for all involved. A dirty adventure, indeed.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/08/a-dirty-adventure-part-2/
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Searchbeam1 year, 4 months ago
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McCain is so ,much into the Cold War of the past that his vision seems frosted and his brain seems to be frozen in time.
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Very, very risky choice. If we are ignorant enough to elect him, we can be assured of total nuclear annihilation. There will be no second chance!
Come to think of it, we came very close to that during the past eight years. A four-year replay would be Mutually Assured Destruction (M.A.D.).
Logic and reasoning seem to have left his loft!-
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fsev411 year, 4 months ago
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John McCain was raised in a military family and spent his early adult years in the military. This tends to give one the mindset that the military answer is always the best answer. We're the biggest and the baddest and we'll just go kick their butts if they don't agree with us.
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A very dangerous mindset in today's world.-
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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Bullies are more apt to start fights when they have others to do their fighting for them. McCain might have once been a warrior, but he is not anymore - just a pathetic old man who likes playing follow the leader, and now wants to be at the head of the line.
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bigurn1 year, 4 months ago
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Again, a free Georgian nation did NOT exist in the Cold War era. They separated from the Soviets when the Soviet Union collapsed.
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We have military agreements with this country, and they are ready to join NATO. Surely you understand the gravity of that.-
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Searchbeam1 year, 4 months ago
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bigurn,
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We have a President and - good or bad - he is the one who is setting the foreign policy and executing it.
John McCain is a candidate for the office of the President. He has not even been nominated by his political party.
At this juncture, McCain has no authority whatsoever to butt into an international crisis. He can only express his opinions about the foreign policy of our nation, and stop right there..
His toothless threats and bellicose statements will only make matters worse for GWB to conduct his foreign policy.
Believe me, it is hard for me to say this! I am no fan of the current President, but we must respect the Constitution, which expressly says that the President, and only the President, has the power and authority to conduct our foreign policy.
John McCain's power as a citizen of this country ends at the borders of our nation and at the water's edge, as does yours and mine.
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coolslow1 year, 4 months ago
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Hyperbola, are you so blinded by anti-Bushism and enthralled with Obama that you can't see this as a total act of agression by Russia against a country that is miniture compared to Russia? Do you have any idea of the history that Russia has with Georgia and the control that Moscow has exerted over the past 300 years? Do you have any idea of what the Russians are doing in Moldova? Do you know that hte Russians in the past few years have cut off the supply natural gas to Georgia so that the population sat in the cold and dark for several winters? Do you know that the Russians have barred the improtation of Georgian goods into Russia, severely affecting the Georgian economy? This is the latest step in a long running campaign to exert control over Georgia. I think you probabably never heard of Georgia, Ossetia, Abkhazia, and know damn little about Russia. Let;s get Oboma out there and he'll fix it by getting everyone to unify and agree to change. Gimme a break. I am stunned by the tone and ignorance that you demonstrate.
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djn3nunez31 year, 4 months ago
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"There were no UN attempts to get Iraq to adhere to what they had agreed to."
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Of course there were. SCR 1441 for example. Plus the UN sanctions were sucessful in keeping Saddam from developing his WMD programs and rebuilding his conventional army. completely nutralizing Iraq as a threat to it's neighbors and to the world.
"The US acted unilaterally without any reason behind it."
As the Downing street memo proved it was a conspiricy between nations to engage in this illegal and immoral war of aggression.
"The world thought we had no reason to do what we did."
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coolslow1 year, 4 months ago
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You know what Dunkirk? Just demonstrate that same sense of ourtrage about the US overthrowing a cruel dictator , with a huge well equipped modern army that had invaded a neighboring country (and everyone believed he had weapons of mass destruction: ask the Kurds) and Russia invading a tiny neighboring country with less than 5% of their population, demanding the overthrow or a democratically elected leader. That's all I ask, just the same sense of outrage, instead of the insipid response from the left. All I see so far is that it is the fault of the US that the Russians are invading Georgia. Oh well, guess we shouldn't say anything about it. The Russians aren't the bad guys. The US failed to understand them. The Russians actions aren't posing a threat to the world, nor or they making the world a more dangerous place. Its the US that is making the world a dangerous place by condemning this action. We just need to talk it out with the Georgians and get them to carve up their country and everything will be OK. Get over it already.
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Georgia on Our Mind
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The role of Georgia for the West is to allow it to access Caspian basin energy while bypassing Russia and Iran. Non-economic factors have led the competition to turn violent. First and foremost is the U.S. shredding of international law in its invasion and occupation of Iraq that has opened the door to all sorts of similar pandemonium.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/12/georgia-on-our-mind/
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MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago
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Nice cut and paste. Is there an original thought buried in there somewhere? First of all McCain "goes berserk". He asked for the UN Security Counsel to meet, exactly what Russia asked for. In McCain's case this is proof that he wants war. In Russia's case it wants peace. WHAT? Because McCain wants the same thing he has short term memory loss. So I guess anytime we agree with an action suggested by someone else we have a short term memory loss. WHAT THE! And get NATO involved! Why we can't do that, already stretched too thin. That's a double WHAT. Is there a suggestion that NATO's involvement would be military only? They can't respond in any other way! WHAT??
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One of the biggest criticisms of Bush was going it alone and alienating our European allies. But if McCain tries it the leftists scream even louder. WHAT THE! Of course Georgia invaded a break away province, Russia did not invade. Why they're only defending their "loyal subjects in the Rhineland" against an ally, . Get my drift folks? Any response the West makes is wrong. And if McCain is involved, he's an old fool. I wonder if Obama took the same stand that he too would be vilified? if not then you can assume this is nothing more that an illogical hit piece.-
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joeeddie1 year, 4 months ago
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Now that Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and probably Obama's pick for Secretary of State, has come out with the same message as McCain, watch the stories change. The venerable are needed in situations like this. They also know it's not good to take a political position that can't be defended. This one makes me scratch my head about what some of the liberals on here are claiming to believe.
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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The problem with your argument is that ZionCons in our own government planned and supported the Georgian attack on South Ossetia, including with money and weapons. They are hoping you are to ignorant to notice that and will again succumb to their totalitarian propaganda about supporting "liberty and democracy".
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coolslow1 year, 4 months ago
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And the reason for this vast right-wing consiracy against a tiny place that you never heard of until five days ago is....? Geez there are so many other better places to take over: Canada; Tahiti, I hear that place is nice; Italy; maybe Austrailia?
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Oil and gas. The Israelis have over $1 billion invested in oil supplies via Georgia.
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A Path to Peace in the Caucasus
By Mikhail Gorbachev
... Through all these years, Russia has continued to recognize Georgia's territorial integrity. Clearly, the only way to solve the South Ossetian problem on that basis is through peaceful means. Indeed, in a civilized world, there is no other way.
The Georgian leadership flouted this key principle.
What happened on the night of Aug. 7 is beyond comprehension. The Georgian military attacked the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali with multiple rocket launchers designed to devastate large areas. Russia had to respond. To accuse it of aggression against "small, defenseless Georgia" is not just hypocritical but shows a lack of humanity.
Mounting a military assault against innocents was a reckless decision whose tragic consequences, for thousands of people of different nationalities, are now clear. The Georgian leadership could do this only with the perceived support and encouragement of a much more powerful force. Georgian armed forces were trained by hundreds of U.S. instructors, and its sophisticated military equipment was bought in a number of countries. This, coupled with the promise of NATO membership, emboldened Georgian leaders into thinking that they could get away with a "blitzkrieg" in South Ossetia....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081101372_pf.html-
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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You're quoting Gorbie?
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Making claims of Georgia being the aggressor is the same line of crap Hitler made when he invaded Poland. The dead peace keepers are very reminiscent too. The force with which Putin hit them with was too well armed, trained and lead to be standard Soviet forces. This was a premeditated invasion force.
On the territorial claims, this area has always been considered Georgian. That was until the Soviets came along. Then, it was flooded with Russians. I understand if Georgia wanted to maintain their territory. The Chechins didn't want Putin running their nation and his "peace keepers" made sure there was peace. By doing what they've accused the Georgians of doing. Funny, one is a peace keeper, the other is a bunch of murderers.-
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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This "area" that you claim was always Georgian has a population with a different culture and language than Georgians. If you would take the trouble to read what South Ossetians say about Georgia, especially the historical massacres of Ossetians by Georgians, perhaps you would stop spouting zioncon chants and begin to understand why Ossetians do not want to be part of Georgia. Exactly like Kosovars not wanting to be part of Serbia.
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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Opines on the current situation with Russia, Georgia ad the USA.
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/152087
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/world/europe/12diplo.html?_r=2&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/11/AR2008081100482.html?nav=rss_email/components
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/11/war-in-the-caucasus-towards-a-broader-russia-us-military-confrontation/
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http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=172&a=7888
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