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intheweeds1 year, 3 months ago
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NO, he didn't even thumb-tack it.
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His thesis statement is, "How pathetic is it to watch John McCain struggle to accept Barack Obama as an accomplished legislator?" I think anyone would "struggle" to tell us WHAT, as a legislator, Obama has accomplished. The author of this article certainly doesn't tell us.
He goes on to say, "Instead of giving this black legislator the credit he deserves for capturing the attention and imagination of the tens of millions of Americans .... "
That answers the question: Instead of having any legislative accomplishments to look at, Obama's supporters must rely on their imagination.
On second thought, I guess you're right. This guy DID nail it, after all.-
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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I think anyone would "struggle" to tell us WHAT, as a legislator, Obama has accomplished.>>>>
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Let's look at just a few things Obama 'tried' to do. You remember the changes to the bankrupcy bill the CONS pushed through for their big money pals? Of course you do. Well Democrats tried to get some amendments in that bill to pass. They didn't. Here's two of them;
1. Amendment 16: Would have protected the homes of those serving in Iraq from bill collectors. You do know that not being able to work, cause you're in Iraq, you can't pay your bills....right? Well, johnny voted NO. Obama voted yes.
2. Amendment 17: Would have protected the elderly from losing their homes to bankruptcy. You know, the elderly who have their savings wiped out from illness? Johnny voted NO. Obama voted yes.
Then johnny voted for cloture. That shut down the discussions. Can't have Americans know what he and his CON pals were doing.
So, there you have just two of johnny boys accomplishments. What a fine man you choose to back. Now you'll have to excuse me, while i vomit.-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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'scathing' is what that's called, I think
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and you didn't even mention the most puzzling thing of all: McCain's anti-veteran voting record
what the hell is that? like some example of projected self-loathing?
I'm no political expert, but I sniffed out immediately that Obama had a pretty clean record, deduced it from the nature the rhetoric against him.
Imagine if Obama went hardcore negative on McCain? Instead of showing him in an ad with Paris bemoaning celebrity, an ad with McCain split-screen with Edwards saying 'some things people do [dramatic political ad pause] cross all party lines' . Or referencing the veteran vote thing. Or the flip-flops and misspeak. Or the Keating Five [didn't they have a hit song called 'last train to Clarksville' or something? and did McCain play keyboard or just BASE.
But Barack's camp seems to be rankin on Johnny only for the Big Oil campaign moneys, I haven't seen other Obama ads of a 'negative' attack-y nature
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here is a very weird you tube clip of a confused McCain, it takes him an unusually long time to recognize his own wife as he goes thru the robotic glad-handing process...just an odd bit of strangeness that struck me
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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I've decided that the Democrats have a fatal flaw. They assume that Americans are intelligent, as a whole. They assume Americans will listen to facts, and pay attention to issues. They're wrong. And for that reason, just might lose this election. Americans, as a whole, are sound bite morons.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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there is also an odd phenomenon where people will hear people say something enough times, they'll repeat it as fact, accept it
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John Madden, the football guy? He actually has a masters in education, and claims that repetition is the main way people learn
so when a larger than life figure like Rush says liberal this and liberal that for 20 years, suddenly liberal is a dirty word, and used as an insult here
Its some kind of conditioning
I hope the majority of Americans are not morons, but I can see how you reached that conclusion
Voter turnout alone is not a good indication
I actually think that Obama will get in-he's a much more appealing candidate-INFINITELY so, than Kerry.
So, for many reasons, if McCain wins I will be really shocked and have to conclude as you have, that critical thinking has become as rare as clean air-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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ah see, you've set up a conundrum by thinking you're a critical thinker
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what if you're NOT a critical thinker? If you're not a critical thinker, how would you think it out well enough to reach that conclusion?
just playing, you are quite likable and reasonable from what I've read here recently
some would say there is not a whole lot that can prepare one for leading the free world
some point at governorship or long Senate time, but is that really the same thing?
I am not reassured by McCain's agedness and experience as a Senator, especially since his decline the last few years in anything resembling straight talk or stalwartness
you want a stalwart free-thinking maverick?
Ron Paul not only crossed party lines to vote AGAINST the war in Iraq, he voted against funding it as well
I'm not a fan of either guy, uh, either, but McCain's longer experience is littered with scandal and liability and recent flip-flopping, so that's why I would pick the less experienced candidate-that and I'm not sure there IS appropriate experience for the big chair[not that I would know much about the inner-workings of government, just that a governor or senator is definitely not a president] -
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CaptainLucid1 year, 3 months ago
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Hiring McCain on experience is like hiring a typewriter repairman because your hard drive crashed. McCain promises that he can faithfully extend the policies that have dug is into this hole. The world has changed significantly and what we need is someone who can recognize that old rules about borders, trade, and economics have changed and therefore we as a country need to adapt. Does anyone know of a company that still makes typewriters? McBush's experience is no longer relevent. We need a leader who understands the new world.
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
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The problems of yesterday are the same as the problems of today. Technology has changed , but human problems have not. Obama is a child and is not ready, maybe in 10 to 15 years. He has no way of knowing how to make the hard choices that a real leader has to make.
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intheweeds1 year, 3 months ago
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True, McCain has about 22 years senatorial experience (MINUS 62% absences.) Still, that's more than Obama. Are you pleased with the state of the union today? Are things better today than 22 years ago because of McCain? Are your Constitutional freedoms more secure? McCain's 22 years of influence and all the baggage he has accumulated (lies and flip-flops, immorality, pro-amnesty, pandering, etc) represents the best argument I can think of to THROW THE BUM OUT!
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McCain was flatly REJECTED in 2000. I'm dying to know: what great things has he (or his party) done since then that would make me want to elect him now? -
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes but what kind of experience? If you ask most Americans they are tired of the way things work in Washington. I'm looking to Obama's lack of experience in these ways to help us change them. Now this may come back to bite us in the backside, but considering what has been going on for the last 7 years alone I'm willing to take that chance.
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree, unfortunately one of these men will have to be the next president, unless someone can mount a real good write in campaign.
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I don't know why anyone would want this job, it is a tremendous amount of pressure and you are under constant scrutiny by the other party always looking for an edge. As president you don't make the laws, all you can do is stop them. But it doesn't matter because you are the one that always gets the blame.
Obama has no experience that I can tell. It is easy to vote to give away the store when it is not yours, it is tough to not.
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automan9091 year, 3 months ago
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If i had any facts to listen to I would gladly listen. Obama won't be specific on any of his plans and won't do Town Halls with McCain so that seems very sneaky to me. Like he is hiding his agenda from us.
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My research shows me that he is a commie loving Socialist with poor judgement in friends and mentors.-
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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We know for a fact that McCain VOTED for the Iraqi war, and he bears the responsibility for more than 4000 of our bravest losing their lives. He has also voted against benefits for vets.
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Where is his conscience?
Let us also not forget that he is the one who was tortured in North Vietnamese prison, and was speaking with enough bravada that he will not accept torture in any form -
Until he had a private meeting with Cheney. Nobody knows for sure what happened during that meeting, but when McCain came out he was a subdued and sullen sorry a*s who mumbled that waterboarding was OK.
We all can speculate and guess. My guess is that Cheney had something on McCain and he tiold hi that he would use it. Some foprm of political blackmail, maybe?
Who knows. The only thing I remember is the ashen face of this paper tiger trying to lose himself in the crowd!
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intheweeds1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's a newsflash for you: Obama and McCain ARE NOT the only two people in the race! When you learn how to read and develop some comprehension skills, start over. I never wrote, or even hinted, that I "choose to back" the warmongering, adulterous, lying McShame and he has nothing whatsoever to do with my comments -- neither do Democrats, CONS, "johnny boys [sic] accomplishments," nor how anyone voted. In point of fact, McShame is Congress' most absent senator and Obama frequently votes, "present." As senators, they're both pathetic. Your typical liberal response is to attack someone (me) based on your perception of reality which you obtained from thin air.
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bigurn1 year, 3 months ago
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1. Johnny voted no because it was covered by the Soldiers and Sailor's Relief Act (SSRA). The same bill frees military from Federal taxation when in a Theater of Operations (TOO)
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2. Johnny voted no because this is a small part of Medicare. But realisitically, is it the government's job to protect anyone's house if they can't pay their bills?
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HannibalBarca1 year, 3 months ago
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2. Johnny voted no because this is a small part of Medicare. But realisitically, is it the government's job to protect anyone's house if they can't pay their bills?
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If the gov. can bail out the organizations that lent them the money, then why not.
Freddie and Friends get a 5 trillion helping hand, and those poor suckers that got sucked in get the shaft.
And this is capitalism????
Give me a break
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automan9091 year, 3 months ago
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Don't forget how he voted to not protect already born live babies .
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How about his dream of a socialist nation?
His close and long time associations with terrorists,bombers, racists, and America haters?
Race has nothing to do with it. The man is a communist lover.
His history proves it.
I'd take anyone over a commie lover. Even Peewee Herman-
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toph19731 year, 3 months ago
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This is the same pathetic post you did earlier. Get some new ideas. And also there are more important poblems in this country than Abortion: Such as:
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The energy prices that Bush is responsible for.
The recession that Bush is responsible for.
The War Crimes Bush has committed.
There are thousands more things more imortant in this country than someone choosing to terminate a pregnancy, which is not a baby. Which also shows your ignorance. The fact you want to take away someones freedom to choose is extremely unamerican.-
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intheweeds1 year, 3 months ago
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This isn't an abortion thread, but since you want to make it one...
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First, we should just agree to disagree on whether a fetus is a baby. That debate will not be conceded by either of us. automan909 spoke about "already born live babies" which you claim "is not a baby." Huh? Come back when you sober up, and maybe he won't seem so ignorant. Personally, I don't see anything "extremely unamerican" about ensuring a LIVE BABY's life will not be deprived without due process. It's in the 5th Amendment -- you know, that pesky Constitution thingy that keeps getting in the way of the liberal agenda.
You say, "someone's freedom to choose" as blithely as people refer to "collateral damage" when referring to war crimes. Murder in the womb and murder on the streets are BOTH murder.-
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toph19731 year, 3 months ago
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Your comrade made it an abortion thread. He spoke about abortion in one of his other threads. And as I stated in another thread, there needs to be no law concerning killing of live babies, because in pretty much every state carries the same penalty as Murder. So some kind of new law is redundant.
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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> 1. Amendment 16: Would have protected the homes of those serving in Iraq from bill collectors. You do know that not being able to work, cause you're in Iraq, you can't pay your bills....right? Well, johnny voted NO. Obama voted yes.
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I would have been shocked if Johnny the Vet-Hating Vet McCain had actually voted for the military for once. Five votes AGAINST VA funding. Mr. McVacation also skipped ten Iraq votes despite being the #1 cheerleader for the war; had better things to do. Also voted AGAINST troop funding, armor, and equal time off as on in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Oh, and he was against the NEW GI bill.
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miaczynski461 year ago
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Dont worry boys and girls little johnny mccain will save us from everything all by him self.Didnt you know he is god?Mccain is one feeble old man,one has to wonder what cindy saw in mccain!Love to ask cindy mccain why she didnt use any of her money to help her husband win?Mabey she dont want to lose her money on a no win campigan.
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dcfixer1 year, 3 months ago
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--PA 90-0249: Public Aid Amendment
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This required sending public aid recipients to rehab rather than cutting the benefits "where clinically appropriate substance abuse treatment capacity is available."
--PA 90-0474: Job Training and Economic Development
Added a section for a grant program for organizations trying to help poor people get jobs.
--PA 90-0141: Criminal Procedure
Added a motion for convicted defendants to get DNA or fingerprint analysis done to try to prove their innocence.
--PA 92-0156: Emergency Contraception Law
Provides that emergency contraception shall be provided by hospitals that provide services to sexual assault survivors and requires rules to be developed by each hospital to conform with the law.
--PA 92-0088: Medical Care
Added grants for new community health centers.
--PA 90-0017: Public Aid Rules
This amendment changed the rules for who is ineligible for Illinois Public Aid by adding a person violating a condition of probation or parole to the list. It also added that people who have tried to get public aid from two states by misrepresenting their residency status is ineligible. People convicted of drug crimes don't get cash assistance but can get food stamps. There are numerous other changes please read them if interested.
In addition, here are a few examples of what Obama's accomplished in his short term in the U.S. Senate:
--Authored, with Sen. **** Lugar (R-IN), the Lugar-Obama nonproliferation initiative (signed into law by the president), expanding U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
--Eliminated gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and required disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which was signed into law in September 2007.
--Sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry. -
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budoinst1 year, 3 months ago
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EXACTLY--WHAT legislative (SOLE) accomplishments?? Also, what has this media created fake ever led?
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Imagination is far to lenient a word to use in this case of the WORST possible presidential choice in my 40 years of voting. BTW, I HAD always voted DEM!!!-
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Shadowolf1 year, 3 months ago
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I have asked God Almighty for only ONE favor...to allow me to see and hear the Judgement of the hypocritical NeoConArtists...I want to see the likes of AutoMan,Endoscope, and AngelWings cringing before the Judgement Throne trying to blame Liberals for the sins they committed...and I suspect strongly that the last words these hateful hypocrites will hear will be along the lines of:
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"DEPART FROM ME, YOU SERVANTS OF INIQUITY INTO THE PIT PREPARED FOR YOU...I KNOW YOU NOT!!!"
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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One thing that he said that struck me was his assessment of McCain. The problem is he could be talking about the liberals.
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"there is no place or plan to respect or accept ideas, initiatives, and personalities which differ from his own narrow, privileged view"
Look at your own posts and think how they fit this statement. All of the rantings and ad hominem attacks on the administration and any Republican. Accusing them of being evil and criminal. Refusing to acknowledge that they are working in good faith believing that they are doing the right thing.
If the shoe fits wear it.-
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CaptainLucid1 year, 3 months ago
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In no way in hell are they acting in good faith. Since being president by a 5-4 vote their goals have been to send this nation into the deepest debt in its existence and send that money to the ownership class. Reducing or eliminating any tax burden on the ownership class. W's 2 biggest proposals are eliminating capital gains taxes and inheritance taxes. What he means is retards like him who owe everything in life to being born the grandson of a NAZI banker and the son of Iraqs chemical weapons supplier should not bear any tax burden but that Joe Smith who lays pipe or wires buildings that benefit the country should pay for it instead. When W moves to Dubai to live off what he stole I will laugh at your stupid ass.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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You are a perfect example of what I was saying.
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"Refusing to acknowledge that they are working in good faith believing that they are doing the right thing."
Your post starts with a stupid liberal lie. The supreme court gave it to him. What a crock. I live in Florida and had to put up with all of that idiocy. There was the count. There was the automatic recount. There was the recount started by Gore for selected counties. There was Gore trying to get the servicemens absentee ballots thrown out. There was the attempt to change the law but the federal law says that whatever the law is on voting day is the law that will be used on the results. The Supreme Court upheld that law. Afterward there was several recounts by many different groups.
Guess what. Gore lost in all but the most biased count. You obviously can't handle that your man lost. Get over it. Hate rants like yours started at that point. It is disgusting that the libs can't take a loss but have to wine and rant about things that never happened.
Then they had to whine about Kerry losing. Dirty tricks in Ohio is your rant there. But ignore dirty tricks by Democrats like knifing tires in the sidewall of Republican cars that were to transport the infirm to the polls. What noble people the libs are.
Attitudes and rants like yours only make you look foolish except to those who do the same rents. You all feed on each other. One makes up a lie and all believe it without examining the REAL evidence.-
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fresnodanny1 year, 1 month ago
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i lived in florida at the time and i saw firsthand what happened. i remember watching dumbfounded as the florida supreme court decisions were overturned, how every time i thought "good. finally justice will prevail" it didn't. you're ignoring the books and articles - one after the other - that prove fraud and deceit by the republican party, and katherine harris in particular were the reason gore lost. had the shoe been on the other foot it would be YOU whining and ranting and don't try to deny it. there have never been a louder bunch of whiners than the present bunch of crackpots on the GOP side of the aisle as now. when they had control of the hill, they complained about the dems filibustering. they cried that dems were trying to prevent any legislation from taking place. then the tables turned and they did precisely what they had complained about - in unprecedented numbers!!! never had so many bills been filibustered or allowed to run out. hypocrites! hypocrites! hypocrites! hypocrites! the idea of fairness or doing the right thing never crosses their mind.
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jerry991 year, 3 months ago
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You must be crazy. Obama has been in the Senate 31/2 years and 21/2 of that running for President. He has no accomplishments. He is now sponsoring a bill proposed by the UN so US taxpayers can pay 0.7% of the US GDP to "help impoverished nations". In 13 years thats 850 billion dollars, and he is sponsoring it because most of the money goes to his brothers in Africa. No, you are one more of the liberal left with their prime agenda "politcal correctness" and not the future of the United States.
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dcfixer1 year, 3 months ago
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This is both state and fed.
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--PA 90-0249: Public Aid Amendment
This required sending public aid recipients to rehab rather than cutting the benefits "where clinically appropriate substance abuse treatment capacity is available."
--PA 90-0474: Job Training and Economic Development
Added a section for a grant program for organizations trying to help poor people get jobs.
--PA 90-0141: Criminal Procedure
Added a motion for convicted defendants to get DNA or fingerprint analysis done to try to prove their innocence.
--PA 92-0156: Emergency Contraception Law
Provides that emergency contraception shall be provided by hospitals that provide services to sexual assault survivors and requires rules to be developed by each hospital to conform with the law.
--PA 92-0088: Medical Care
Added grants for new community health centers.
--PA 90-0017: Public Aid Rules
This amendment changed the rules for who is ineligible for Illinois Public Aid by adding a person violating a condition of probation or parole to the list. It also added that people who have tried to get public aid from two states by misrepresenting their residency status is ineligible. People convicted of drug crimes don't get cash assistance but can get food stamps. There are numerous other changes please read them if interested.
In addition, here are a few examples of what Obama's accomplished in his short term in the U.S. Senate:
--Authored, with Sen. **** Lugar (R-IN), the Lugar-Obama nonproliferation initiative (signed into law by the president), expanding U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
--Eliminated gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and required disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act," which was signed into law in September 2007.
--Sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry.-
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Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
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> He is now sponsoring a bill proposed by the UN so US taxpayers can pay 0.7% of the US GDP to "help impoverished nations". In 13 years thats 850 billion dollars, and he is sponsoring it because most of the money goes to his brothers in Africa.
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That $850B in aid will cost zero lives and will do exponentially more to stop terrorism than the Bush/McCain cowboy diplomacy strategy which will cost eight trillion dollars or more over the same time period and get hundreds of thousands of innocents killed.
Common sense economics is not intellectual property owned by the liberal left. The radical right has every right to equal share if they will take it.-
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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If you go to the website for the bill you will find that it was originally supported by George Bush and Condilisa Rice in 2002. I have a copy of this bill on my desk. I have read the entire thing and no where in it does it say anything about us paying 7% of our GDP.
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Here is the link, read and decide for yourself.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-2433
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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Africa is a major issue, and currying favor there is definitely in our interest.
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Where do you think terrorists come from? They come from places where they're desperately poor with no hope for changing that. It'd be good if Africans liked us.
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