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Posted By Spadecaller 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsAgain, the world is on the brink of disaster. This Spadecaller video includes historical comments by John F. Kennedy and composer Maurice Ravel’s “Pavine to a Dead Princess,” as performed by the London Symphony Orchestra.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's the only up-tempo comment you'll get from me on this one Spade -
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it was beautiful! Yes, there can be beauty in tragedy too. You've done a
masterful job putting this together. Many thanks.
I have loved Pavane for a Dead Princess for years. I have a CD by
Julian Bream and the Cremona String Quartet.
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Francisca1 year, 3 months ago
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It's terrifying, it's frightening. In what world do we live? On one hand, we have Olympics Games, and on an other hand we speak about Cold War....Thanks for letting us knowing these horrible facts! I am wondering what J F Kennedy would do now? Remarkable video...
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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How much - or what - do you think we used as the carrot to encourage
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Saakashvili to pull this stunt in the first place?
We have many military advisors on the ground in Georgia - and
have had since 2002. There is NO way we didn't know what was
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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AnteUp
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I believe it has to do with arm sales. We are selling arms to those that we have enslaved by war, such as the Iraqis. One of the ways that we feed our military industrial complex is too create the need foreign countries have for weapons. China and Russia do the same. With Iraq, there may be a lack of hard cash, but who cares, They have black gold;, which is the very reason that we invaded their country.
I am sure, in return for their new and desperate need for weapons, they are willing to give away a greater value of oil in exchange. That is what is called "friendship" between countries. We are now both hated and needed!
Those other nations, like Poland, will share in these "perks".-
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah - remember the old way to enjoy the diversity of the world?
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Cultural exchanges, exchange students, sister cities?
Now they get together for arms deals, and trade deals that
crush others - Hah! and sometimes us! - and the new motto
is:
All the friendship money can buy!
So within the next decade - when China will be the number ONE
economic force on earth.................how many friends will WE have?
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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As long as people only listen to MSM and never try to think for themselves or make any effort to verify what they see and hear, the will NEVER learn.
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Our society is so self-absorbed that everyone that is not poor doesn't pay any attention to what goes on around them because they don't care. And the poor may not have the resources to research or educate themselves in the truth, or they have no resources to do anything about any of it.
I know that is a cynical view, but that is how I see it these days ....-
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Hey bubba2 ~
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Great to see your avatar again!
Re: Cynical?
Unless you are one of those operating on a hair-trigger, or the
continual knee-jerk reaction, OR you are entranced by the idea
of world domination without any thought to the cost or ethics of
such designs.........................You'd be a fool NOT to be cynical.
I'll be happy as a clam the day world affairs warrant any type of
optimism - but we are decidedly not there yet.
Welcome to the club, friend.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago
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The Nuclear Submarines to me represent the greatest threat. We can destroy the world between us. All for the greed and pride of having the most. That is what it boils down to.
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We know where their missile bases are and they know where ours are. Don't think they are targeted for destruction first?
The time is near, all the signs are pointing to it. We have allowed the wealthy sociopaths to lead us into the ever closing trap of greed and nationalistic false righteousness. Worldwide the countries of the world believe they are the righteous ones, while the other nations are wrong.
Welcome to the road to armageddon.
While we allow our leaders to draw us ever closer, we shudder and recoil at the reality of the path we are on. While denying it will happen, we know deep down it is on the way.
Good post Spadecaller.
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Despite the prospects, which appear gloomy, I believe we are still best served by making an effort to share our concerns, our hopes, and even our grave disappointments with each other. Perhaps that is our greatest triumph; sharing among each other despite the outcome, whatever it may be. It is easier to have faith in something greater than ourselves knowing its outcome, but to work toward an unselfish goal in union with others is the essence of the truest faith. Blind faith is not so blind.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Close - I was 13. My mother and my cousin both worked at Autonetics
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out in Anaheim. I well remember them coming home later than usual
because they went shopping together for supplies. They were pooling
their knowledge on what we should have on-hand..........if.
Water - canned goods - medical supplies.
It almost seems naive - to think any of the stuff in the boxes on
our kitchen table would have helped us, if the worst scenario had
actually taken place. Might as well get under a desk and cover
your heads! If something were to start now - using nukes?
My best advice would be to kiss your posterior goodbye.
You know - I say that with all the cynicism I mentioned above
in my reply to bubba2. So this old 59 year old will kiss off sooner
than expected. But then I think about my husband - my CHILD -
my pets..................ALL those things that I have accepted some
responsibility for their welfare for - that I love and care for and
won't be ABLE to protect. What God-awful fate might await them?
Don't these bastards have children and grandchildren - don't
they LOVE anybody? NOTHING will protect any of us if it starts.
They must not let it begin - there is no such thing as a little war
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Very true AnteUp, scary as hell too.
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I guess people in panic think of what may be the most necessary in the event of rationing, which was probably why your Mom stocked up on things. I was lucky there, i was raised on a farm and we raised our own fruit and veggies, and my Mom canned everything. We always had more than enough, and shared with neighbors too. Not many people do that anymore, too busy looking out for number one!
No Ante, i don't think they do love anyone or anything but money. ALL of the world's leaders are greedy grubbing pigs, and they are all power hungry. For some reason i believe they think their money will keep them safe, and if they blow up the country, they will just move to land they own in another country, and screw it up too, ASAP!
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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I think the most important thing required to prevent another Cold War (or an extremely hot one) is diplomacy. One of the major candidates has advocated talks without pre-conditions. Some say this gives artificial status to not-so-pleasant leaders or dictators - but really, those leaders already have as much status as they can have in their own countries.
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By talking to enemy leaders without pre-conditions you acknowledge the fact that all men were created equal. I think this sets an immediate stage for negotiations that achieve benefits for both sides. Every world leader should have the same ideals - a better life for his own people and country - and forging alliances that will accomplish for the same for other countries.
Unless a deal is win-win, the loser will always be looking for a way out. So if you START by forcing the enemy into what they consider a loss, there can be no trust, since they will always be seeking to recuperate that loss.-
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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It appears that what we (this administration) are doing is forcing
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someone - who just recently morphed from "soul mate" to enemy -
into a CORNER.
Anybody ever seen a cornered rat? They do not wave a white flag -
they FIGHT. Our leaders are poking and prodding and cornering a
dangerous adversary BY CHOICE - it is NOT absolutely necessary
right now. This conflict is contrived. But WHY? I just find it so hard
to believe that any sane person would WANT war. And I do mean
WANT - our foreign policy has been conducted no differently than
going out and beating the bushes LOOKING for one.
Trying to get involved in conflict and war? Does that sound sane?-
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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"I just find it so hard to believe that any sane person would WANT war."
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Are they insane then? There are many people whose livelihoods depend on war. The military-industrial complex is huge. I think an actual accounting of the number of Americans who depend on war for their survival would be truly frightening. In some way, each and every one of those Americans must want war. It's the only way they can feed their children. From those who assemble weapons in arms manufacturing plants, to soldiers, to army engineers, to generals, millions of people DEPEND on discord in the world to put food on the table.
I think the BEST that could be done would be to stop growth of the MI complex, such that those who depend on it wouldn't be (pardon the expression) up in arms against the changes. That still leaves one whole heck of a lot of people to employ if the unnecessary wars were to end.
I think they should, and for the time being, those people should go on getting a decent severage package for some time -- but American taxpayers would be furious about paying for a military that doesn't do anything (even if not doing anything is actually cheaper and morally preferable).
You need a government who really don't care about ******* all over public opinion in order to make some of the changes necessary (the same arguments could be made for the Health Insurance industry). No one has had that kind of cajones in a long time -- and I imagine if someone did, some fringe lunatic (or hired assassin) would take that brave politician out of the picture in very short order. -
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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Does it sound sane? No. It has the cold logic (placing no value on human life) that Hitler used and that Hannibal Lecter used.
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Normal people consider murder to be an act of insanity. But I do believe it is cold, and calculating, premeditated... so in a criminal defense sense: these people are all too sane.-
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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I'd say they are certifiable!
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These are not stupid people when it comes to the WAYS of war
and weaponry.
And history tells us that almost anything can be an instrument of war - from rocks, crossbows, boiling oil, catapults - or moving forward (?)
on the March of Mankind - to Gatling guns, shoulder held rocket launchers, helicopter gunships, flame-throwers and ALL the other implements that this good earth and the MIC can offer us. They have been employed without pause or hesitation for centuries. Some die
and some will survive in misery to the end of their days, and some remain unscathed and completely capable of launching yet another
war in due time. On and on.
These brilliant people must also be aware that the introduction
of nuclear weapons into the world's arsenal - could render us
incapable of launching the next war. Their good times of "the build-up",
engaging the enemy, winning the war - and then the Peace - the
cycles of activity they have grown accustomed to - could actually END.
As in global finality. Have they not heard of "mutually assured destruction"? It was coined specifically for this nuclear age.
Hell of a business if your ultimate success is your own destruction.
Yes.....................that IS crazy!
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah but - Spade, didn't anybody ever make it clear to them that
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they CANNOT take it with them? What is the worth of their ideals if
the Earth and all it's peoples are nothing but a smoking cinder in
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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AnteUp,
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I hear ya.
LOL..I didn't say it was smart or worth it;most addictions and escapes are not.
These are unhappy people driven by misguided instincts and who have long since sold themselves and their loved ones out.
Just like the drug addict who gets a fix, they live for the fleeting high that power and triumph over others brings them. But after that, they are lost and lonely people who feel empty on the inside and must find something to fill that void inside. If they weren't so hateful, it would be easy to pity them.-
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh, this will probably get bleeped for sure but the image of
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Cheney having a tent in his trousers while pushing "THE" button? I can see that. He's had a hard on to do that for YEARS.
I think the man dreams of mushroom shaped clouds.
But there are so many YOUNG men and women who have been swept up in worshipping the Neocon ideology. Are they so very certain of the promise - or I guess they feel, the actuality - of our superiority,that they have not envisioned the possible down-side for their equally young spouses or children? Did they not study History? Usually someone wins AND someone loses. They never
contemplated the improbable outcome - like we might lose? Never crosses their well-educated minds that THIS time maybe
we ALL could lose? I fairly well thrive on doubt - what new breed is this that can be SO certain?-
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Arrogance has been around since the beginning of humanity, but in recent years it has become a deity in itelf. Some people worship the arrogant and strive to emulate what they think is success. As for those of us who are so self deceieved, a rude awakening awaits.
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CORVIDIVS1 year, 3 months ago
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THINGS THAT HAVE MY ATTENTION are the trend set by the Bush Dynasty,and a world trend at pushing & shoving that can be seen in a small child just learning testing the waters in what it may get away with....
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EVER SINCE the demise of a soviet Russia,the pressure has been mounting to erode its borders this way and that,and the concern i have is the ever self propagating juggernaut of greed which is an apparent hallmark of the present administration.We have all witnessed some of the ploys of the present political family to hold onto the reins,and the absurd possibility rises its very ugly head that a war just might provide those emergency definitions for the prolongation of office.I mean, for certain interests, the present projected spin-offs from a threatened war with Russia must necessitate a change of underwear... -
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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I've got to admit that I was ignorant of the Russian expressed intent
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to arm their Baltic fleet with nukes because of the deal with Poland.
I have not looked around online yet. No - I've spent the entire afternoon here, Spade, and thank you very much. Will YOU do my ironing?
But where did you hear that? Did that info just break today? Talk about chilling! I watched it twice to make sure that is what you said.
Tick,tick,tick - I'd better go do something to make
sure it looks like I had a productive day - I'll
be ironing with GUSTO at this point! But we have
solved the world's problems - yes? Well we are
trying to help, I think. bbl-
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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LOL...Your funny AnteUp. Another day of solving the worlds problems.
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The news about the threat hit the news on the Thursday, the 17th.
Russia threatens to arm its Baltic fleet with nuclear warheads for the first time since the cold war, senior military sources were quoted as saying by the Sunday Times.
The warning came after Thursday's agreement between Poland and the United States that will see a battery of American missiles established inside Poland.
The plan infuriated Moscow and prompted a top Russian general to say Friday that the deal exposed Poland to attack, pointing out that Russian military doctrine permitted the use of nuclear weapons in such a situation.
According to the British newspaper, the nuclear warheads could be supplied to submarines, cruisers and fighter bombers of the Baltic fleet based in Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave between Poland and Lithuania.
The Times quoted a senior military source in Moscow as saying that although the fleet had suffered from under-funding since the collapse of communism, "That will change now."
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Tango571 year, 3 months ago
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This reminds me of a conversation I had 8.5 years ago with my team members while having lunch together. Normally during work hours politics is taboo. The four of us were really close having worked on numerous projects together and began discussing the upcoming election. We took turns discussing our concerns and hopes. Two of the guys were very religious and republicans. One was an independent and I a democrat. I listened as they gave their input, as I have tremendous respect for all of them. As I sat there they looked at me and asked me what I thought would happen. This is what I said. "If Bush is elected, he will bring this country and the world to its knees. He will forever change the way we are perceived in the world and create battle lines in our election process. He will do whatever he has to, to achieve the directives of those who are placing him in power. Lastly I said, his actions could result in the US being the target of nuclear missiles." I hope I'm wrong...
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Tango, I hope so too.
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Two years ago when people who believed that Bush was responsible for crimes against humanity and yet insisted that it would be better for the nation not to impeach him or charge him, I also responded similarly. I remember saying that if you find the captain of the ship is incompetent, dangerous, and lacking in good judgment, do you wait to you reach port before replacing him?
We have not reached port and our ship is taking on water. The Bush syndicate has brought us into treacherous waters and it will not be easy to find our way home, even if we throw him and his gang overboard. -
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Well protoham,
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George Will (ugh) had a column in the Sunday paper.
"John McCain may gain as invasion enhances fear factor" was the heading.
The last few lines?
"Until Russian tanks rolled into Georgia, it seemed that not even the Democratic Party could lose this election. But it might if McCain can make it turn on the question of who is ornery enough to give Putin a convincing, deterring telephone call at 3 a.m."
So - this little confab of nations on the brink in the Caucasus could be helpful to the GOP, and their candidate? Funny how things like that happen -
isn't it?
How long ago was it that Rove devised the campaign strategy of - making the war the issue to win the election. Sadly, too many people bought into his rhetoric - which was as shallow as his candidate.
George Will had so many comments in his article that showed the disdain he has toward the American people and he wasn't talking about the left - he was generalizing! The big deal in McCain's recent
critique of Obama is that Obama WANTS our troops to fail. Yet McCains supporters and advisors - Will - Gramm, etc. show no remorse talking about American's as if they were lower than bugs!All said proudly
while they wrap themselves in the flag,patriotism,
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's the link to George Will's Op-ed in the Washington Post
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(Different heading than my paper had - I guess titles can vary?)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503101.html
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago
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protoham:
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Sure, whatever you say!!! Because everyone knows how honorable the right wing nuts are huh?
I mean they wouldn't start a war for oil would they? They wouldn't vote down medical care for poor children, while wanting to ban abortion as against God's will, would they?
How about saying the war we are fighting is Ok while the war the Russians are starting is not. That wouldn't be a typical right wing nut would it?
Try this. All war is evil, at some point. For their must be the evil agressor who seeks to control and dominate another, for their own profit.
Now bring that to the scale of what Bush has brought the world to with his insanity, and those who will oppose him with their insanity.
And you have the insane making decisions that the sane know are wrong but are helpless to stop.
Now quite honestly I don't care for the extreme right or left. Because they are the ones who bring war.
So goosestep off and spread your propaganda to those who swallow that swill.
I'll have none of it.
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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Protoham:
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Your logic is self contradictory. Because you choose to remain uninformed and then try to pass it off as prudence is revealed by your blatant contempt for progressives.
If your openmindedness and prudence was more than phony pretense, you would have not characterized this as "left wing hype," which simply reveals the fallacy of your predudice prior to discovering the facts.
Protham, this one is for YOU:
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” -
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