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Posted By jovial 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsWashington D.C., August 20, 2008 - On the tenth anniversary of U.S. cruise missile strikes against al-Qaeda in response to deadly terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, newly-declassified government documents posted today by the National Security Archive ( www.nsarchive.org ) suggest the strikes not only failed to hurt Osama bin Laden but ultimately may have brought al-Qaeda and the Taliban closer politically and ideologically.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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This isn't so much a politcal story as it is a news item. Any conclusion you draw from this story is your opinion. The papers released from the Nation Archives merely provide information that the government had at the time. What was released (and it's not known if it is provided in it's entirety) may not show the entire picture of the events happening at that particular time. I just thought it would be good for informational purposes.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“What was released (and it's not known if it is provided in it's entirety) may not show the entire picture of the events happening at that particular time. I just thought it would be good for informational purposes”
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OMG Jovial ya got a good point here, let me add some more to it, to help get the picture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/feb/06/julianborger
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February 6, 1999,
“Terror chief 'offered asylum' in Iraq? US says dealings step up danger of chemical weapons attacks
Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials”.
“The Saudi-born fundamentalist's response is unknown. He is thought to have rejected earlier Iraqi advances, disapproving of the Saddam Hussein's secular Baathist regime. But analysts believe that Bin Laden's bolthole in Afghanistan, where he has lived for the past three years, is now in doubt as a result of increasing US and Saudi government pressure.
News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."”
“President Clinton called for an additional $2 billion to spend on counter-terrorist measures, including extra guards for US embassies around the world and funds for executive jets to fly rapid response investigative teams to terrorist incidents around the world”.
Our response? executive jets to fly rapid response investigative teams after the fact!
Perhaps they were thinking hey lets just sit here and wait for the Americans!-
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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I understand all that, but this nagging question in everyone's mind should remain.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/index.html
"The report released by the Joint Forces Command five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq said it found no "smoking gun" after reviewing about 600,000 Iraqi documents captured in the invasion and looking at interviews of key Iraqi leadership held by the United States, Pentagon officials said."
"The assessment of the al Qaeda connection and the insistence that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction were two primary elements in the Bush administration's arguments in favor of going to war with Iraq."
"The Pentagon's report also contradicts then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who said in September 2002 that the CIA provided "bulletproof" evidence demonstrating "that there are, in fact, al Qaeda in Iraq."
If what you say is true, then how come we were never able to prove it. In your original article it was based on the testimony of someone that held quite a bit of acrimony for Saddam.
Look at this link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayad_Allawi
So it seems that the main perpetrator of these allegations came from a organization known as the INC. Guess who else came from the INC...did you say "curveball"? Then you guessed right. Allawi is a blood relative of Chalabi. All have held high offices in the recent new Iraqi government. Is this a coincidence do ya think?-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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The assessment of the al Qaeda connection and the insistence that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction were two primary elements in the Bush administration's arguments in favor of going to war with Iraq.
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Ya gotta break it down and keep it simple, and the way this is written doesn’t help.
The “smoking gun” would be qualified as
1. Iraq had WMD’s
2. Saddam had a working relationship with AQ
3. Saddam AND AQ were working together in the 911 attack.
A so called “smoking gun” would ONLY be true IF ALL conditions are met.
Aside from the fact that no one in the Bush adsmin EVER said Saddam was involved with the 911 attack should have made the criteria for the “smoking gun” moot.
Did Saddam have WMD’s? yes. And they were destroyed in 1994, this was not known till 2004 after Saddam was taken out.
Did Saddam have a “working relationship with AQ”? Debatable, have to also include all the AKA’s for AQ, Bin Laden and others.
The CIA along with others Intel agency said they did.
Did Saddam and AQ “do” 911? No and no one has ever claimed they did.
Were “seeds” planted in the public mind that would make someone jump to that conclusion? Yes, all through the 90’s and 00’s
In fact here’s News guy Dan Rather, 6 day’s after 911 on the Letterman show making it obvious that he thought Saddam and AQ did 911.
Dan Rather, anchorman for CBS News, appears on The David Letterman Show shortly after 9-11. The show had been off the air for a week.
Below are transcript excerpts.
“RATHER: And with what we're dealing with here, which is not one man [Bin Laden], it's a hydra-headed operation that's in 55 countries around the world. Now granted, the focus is on, and we should understand, not just Afghanistan -- Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya.”
(hy•dra-head•ed
Having many facets or aspects, especially difficult or intractable ones)
LETTERMAN: Why?
“RATHER: Who can explain madmen, and who can explain evil.
RATHER: Saddam Hussein, if he isn't connect to this, he's connected to any other things. He's part of this 'Hate America' thing. You have to understand, Saddam Hussein is somebody I have sat this close, eye to eye.”
Remember this was 6 days after 911, Dan Rather was still a trusted credible news guy.
Anyone seeing this show or hearing about it would have concluded Rather believed Saddam was connected.
Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
Interview on "The David Letterman Show"
September 17, 2001
http://tinyurl.com/yvkdbg
http://www.livevideo.com/video/
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BTW Yes the CIA was wrong. And Yes it was the same CIA that gave info to both Clinton And Bush Admins.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“I find it very irresponsible to blame Clinton for the fact that our missles didn't get their job done. It's like throwing a dud grenade and then blaming the guy who ordered you to throw it”
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Except the cruise missiles weren’t duds. They hit the targets they were programmed to hit.
To have gotten OBL in that strike they would have had to know EXACTLY where he would be day, date, time, within 30 meters and 10 seconds, 2 weeks in advance.
Yes 2 weeks in advance.
Cruise missiles are not used against “moving targets”
That gives ya 75 cruise missiles, 75 targets, each missile would have a killing circle of 30 meters, anything inside that 30 meters would be dead when the missile went “bang”.
10 seconds, avg time to walk out of a 30 meter circle.
Now do you know where your going to be 2 weeks from now within a 30 meter circle?
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The lie is that this attack had anything to do with “killing” Bin Laden.-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“About the same as saying that the bushie zioncon "war on terror" has anything to do with ending terror”
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Uhm hyper boy try and follow along okay?
This is about the 1998 Missile Strikes on Bin Laden. Bush was not Press in 1998 do you need proof?
Hey how’d that claim of yours that a 19 year old pimple face high school grade was actually an international arms dealer for the Jews.
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highlndr1 year, 3 months ago
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I see the demogogues are out in force again today. I am fiscally and socially conservative.
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No, I do not blame Bill Clinton. Clinton did the right thing. It is a damn shame we didn't get the bastard at the time. Of course the attack drove the Taliban and Osama bin Laden together (the enemy of my enemy, is my friend). Should we have sat on our asses and done nothing in fear that these two murderous groups become allies? I think the answer is obvious.-
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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It is. We shouldn't have done nothing. We should have sent in special forces to take out the threat, not missiles to kill innocent civilians in an attempt to "force" the Taliban to give him up. Instead of eliminating the threat, the missile attacks made it worse.
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I don't blame Clinton (entirely) as he was probably not the mastermind behind the strikes (I'd say attacks, which would be completely accurate, but then they sound like a terrorist plot, and that's not exactly what I'm trying to convey -- isn't it great how the media uses and codifies key words to make us believe what they want us to?). I would guess that he (and all presidents) had foreign policy advisors whispering in his ear about what the threats were and how to deal with them.
Grima Wormtongue is alive and well and living in the White House.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Why would any american be surprised by this? The rest of the world regards us as tremendous hypocrites who regularly attack countries all around the world and kill millions of people. They are right.
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International Criminal Tribunal: The US lied about Yugoslavia
The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague, Carla Del Ponte, this year published her memoir The Hunt: Me and War Criminals. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The "holocaust" was a lie. The Nato attack was fraudulent.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/18/international-criminal-tribunal-the-us-lied-about-yugoslavia/
Many Mushroom Clouds In Our Future
The success of the Bush Regime’s propaganda, lies, and deception with gullible and inattentive Americans since 9/11 has made it difficult for intelligent, aware people to be optimistic about the future of the United States. For almost 8 years the US media has served as Ministry of Propaganda for a war criminal regime. Americans incapable of thinking for themselves, reading between the lines, or accessing foreign media on the Internet have been brainwashed.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/18/many-mushroom-clouds-in-our-future/-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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How To Conceal Massive Economic Collapse - Wag the Dog
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What to do? War and threats of war have been used historically to distract the population and deflect public scrutiny from economic calamity. this tactic is now rampant in the US.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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US missile defence - magic pudding that will never run out
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Poland is just the latest fall guy for an American foreign policy dictated by military industrial lobbyists in Washington. The good news is, at the present rate of progress, reliable missile defence is only 50 years away. The bad news is it has been 50 years away for the past six decades - ever since 1946....
.. ...US politics, because of the failure by both Republicans and Democrats to deal with the problems of campaign finance, is rotten from head to toe. But under Bush, the corruption has acquired Nigerian qualities. Federal government is a vast corporate welfare programme, rewarding the industries that give millions of dollars in political donations with contracts worth billions. Missile defence is the biggest pork barrel of all, the magic pudding that won't run out, however much you eat. The funds channelled to defence, aerospace and other manufacturing and service companies will never run dry because the system will never work.
To keep the pudding flowing, the administration must exaggerate the threats from nations that have no means of nuking it - and ignore the likely responses of those that do. Russia is not without its own corrupting influences. You could see the grim delight of the Russian generals and defence officials last week, who have found in this new deployment an excuse to enhance their power and demand bigger budgets. Poor old Poland, like the Czech Republic and the UK, gets strongarmed into becoming America's groundbait.
If we seek to understand American foreign policy in terms of a rational engagement with international problems, or even as an effective means of projecting power, we are looking in the wrong place. The government's interests have always been provincial. It seeks to appease lobbyists, shift public opinion at crucial stages of the political cycle, accommodate crazy Christian fantasies and pander to television companies run by eccentric billionaires. The US does not really have a foreign policy. It has a series of domestic policies which it projects beyond its borders. That they threaten the world with 57 varieties of destruction is of no concern to the current administration. The only question of interest is who gets paid and what the political kickbacks will be.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Rice goes deeper into the absurd
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It's hardly news the U.S. espouses standards that it routinely violates, but still, even in light of such routine hypocrisy, wouldn't you think that this , from Condoleezza Rice today, on an airplane to U.S. reporters while traveling to a NATO meeting, would be too brazen to utter....
... ...Whatever one's views are on the justifiability of each isolated instance, it's simply a fact that the U.S. invades, bombs, occupies, and interferes in the internal affairs of other countries far more than any other country on the planet. It's not even a close competition.
Just during the time Rice has served in the Bush administration, we bombed, invaded and occupied Afghanistan; did the same to Iraq; repeatedly bombed Somalia, killing all sorts of civilians; fed bombs to Israel as they invaded and bombed Lebanon; top political officials (led by John McCain and Joe Lieberman) have repeatedly threatened, and advocated, that the same be done to a whole host of other countries, including Iran and Syria. That's to say nothing of the virtually countless interventions and bombings in the pre-Bush, "peacetime" years -- from the Balkans and Panama to Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and on and on and on.
The most enduring and predominant rule of American politics is that every national politician must demonstrate their willingness, even eagerness, to start wars. ...
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allamerican1231 year, 3 months ago
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wow I cant beleive it, your facts are correct we bombed invaded and occpied Afghanistan, whiping out thousands of foreign fighters training to reign terror on the free world, did the same in Iraq routing a murderous dictator who was hung after a trial by his own country men after establishing their own democratic government. Gave aid to Somilia in an attempt to save millions, we support a peaceful, democratic,Israel in their struggle to survive against all opponents. We see Iran and Syria as a threat and will defend ourselves and our allies against any . All national politicians should remember If you want peace, prepare for war. We all want peace, I for one do not want to go back on to the battle field, I dont wish for my, or your children to see the battlefield, however, I feel freedom, liberty and the persuit of happiness is worth fighting for. I have freedom here in the USA and will defend freedom for all, even if the "rest of the world" won't do it for themselves. Iraq is a free democracy now, at peace?, not yet, safe?, not yet but they are free to govern themselves, only time will tell what they do with their freedom. I say good luck to all in Iraq let freedom ring.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Every mass murderer in history has had "good reasons" for killing millions of people. Your chants are the "good reasons" fed to you by corrupt politicians who use your misplaced "patriotism" to fleece you and carry out crimes against humanity in the rest of the world.
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How absurd your arguments are can be seen by our "support" for a murdering, racist, zionist regime in israel that has robbed, killed, expelled or put in what are effectively concentration camps over 7 million christians and moslems (the world's biggest refugee problem - even if corrupt US corporate media don't tell you).
Forced Migration Review
Department of International Development
University of Oxford
Palestinian displacement: a case apart?
... The great majority of the seven million Palestinian refugees still live within 100km of the borders of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip where their homes of origin are located. They are refugees because Israel – committed to a permanent Jewish majority and granting citizenship to any member of the Jewish diaspora – denies Palestinians their basic human right to return to their homes of origin. Palestinians may be the world’s largest refugee population, yet...
http://www.fmreview.org/FMRpdfs/FMR26/FMR26full.pdf
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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In hindsight, Paula Jones should never have happened, and Clinton should have had a freer hand to deal with al-Qaeda. I'm not absolving Clinton, but he had the right idea. We found out on 9/11 that political acrimony in the 1990s served no purpose.
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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Or another interpretation is that we found out on 9/11 that killing innocents to go after a "bad guy" just creates more "bad guys" and increased their animosity towards you.
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You claim that political acrimony in the 1990s served no purpose, as evidenced by 9/11, but I would say there's a much greater cause and effect relationship between missile strikes against the Taliban to get at Bin Laden in 1998, and the ensuing missile strikes (read, 747s) against the US in response.
The only logical way of arriving at the conclusion that political acrimony in the 1990s served no purpose would be to observe continued constant terrorist attacks during the 1990s when the US launched no controversial attacks of their own.-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“In hindsight, Paula Jones should never have happened, and Clinton should have had a freer hand to deal with al-Qaeda. I'm not absolving Clinton, but he had the right idea. We found out on 9/11 that political acrimony in the 1990s served no purpose”
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If BJC hadn’t dropped trow in Arkansas asking for a BJ, Paula Jones never WOULD have happened.
If James Carville hadn’t said “Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park and there's no telling what you'll get” had keep his mouth shut most of this would have never been known.
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According to her story, in 1991 she was escorted to the hotel room of Bill Clinton, then governor of Arkansas, where he crudely propositioned her. She kept quiet about the incident until 1994, when a David Brock
(YES MEDIA MATTERS DAVID BROCK)
story in American Spectator told a story, often referred to by the right-wing as "Troopergate", about an Arkansas employee named "Paula" offering to be Clinton's girlfriend. Jones filed a sexual harassment suit against Clinton in May 1994.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes David Brock. The former conservative who has told us about GOP corruption and lies in the media.
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The Republican Noise Machine
News: David Brock, the reformed conservative noise-maker, on how the Right has sabotaged journalism, democracy, and truth....
http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2004/09/09_400.html
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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May have backfired?
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Not exactly, however the failure to follow up that attack with any real effort to “get bin laden” guaranteed retaliation.
The failed bombing attempt on the USS The Sullivans, January 3, 2000.
The bombing of the USS Cole, October 12, 2000
And 9/11 2001
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm not a real big fan of the limited strike, on civilian populaces because they may be hiding terrorists.
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I wasn't a big fan of cut and run Ronnies lobbing shells after the attack on our Marine Barracks in Beirut then placing his tail between his legs and running like a scared dog. Nor am I a fan of Bushes war for oil. Clintons plan backfired. Wow what a surprise!!
There is only one way to deal with any terrorist. Eliminate them.
We coddle to many freaking nut cases, it encourages more nut cases. Take them out, hard fast and cleanly.
And I do mean all terrorists. This crap about being able to attack citizens living in this world, without punishment must end.
Why go to war when that is what they want? String them up for all to see.
Freedom cannot be had by terrorism, but slavery can.
We don't know how to deal with them because we try to be politically correct. Bull crap!!!!!
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Here is a well thought out answer to that. Get the summary.
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http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG741-1/
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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The difficult part of this is that the terrorists in the forefront, the ones you can identify easily and readily, are the ones who just blew themselves up and there's no-one alive to "get".
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Sure, you can try to figure out who put them up to it, who supplied the materials for the IED, who brainwashed them into thinking that dying a martyr's death is worth it. But unless you get all those who are pushing the message - a message that isn't that unlike the message spread by extreme radio pundits - they will still convince people to this sort of thing. They will still convince people to fund and supply "martyrs".
Anyone who thinks that these people recruit terrorists is much mistaken. They recruit martyrs, people willing to die to ensure freedom for their families. Isn't that the same motivation that gets people to sign up for the US army? The methods used are vastly different, but so is the suffering they've seen.
Most Americans have never known non-freedom, so it's kindof a fuzzy concept, yet still many are willing to sign up and face death to preserve it. Imagine how many more would sign up with a tangible invasive presence (US military) in place as a solid example of the "oppressors", with bombs exploding daily killing friends and loved ones that can be blamed (rightly or wrongly) on the "oppressors."
As long as US troops are in Iraq, it is easy for those who want to do so to point to them and say "it's their fault." If there were no US troops there, who would they point at? How could they convince impressionable youths that Americans are killing their friends and families when Americans are nowhere to be seen?
It would be like trying to convince Americans that the mad cow scares are caused by Aliens invaders. Or that it's a secret plot by Maori tribesmen to take over the country. One or two might buy it, but most would just laugh. Station a Maori tribesmen or an alien on every corner, and hundreds or thousands would buy into the paranoia. Even if the aliens are doing harmless observational research or the Maori are just fleeing as refugees because New Zealand is sinking.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Bush has killed far more Iraqis than Saddam. What you are not told is that the bushies regularly bomb urban areas of Iraq. What you are not told is that the US regularly commits war crimes in Iraq and the bushie zioncons regularly try to cover their crimes with "fall guys".
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Fallujah Fall Guy
The problem is that prosecution of Marine Corps Sergeant Jose Luis Nazario Jr.hardly represents justice and is a cover up for war crimes by the US military and politicians.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/21/fallujah-fall-guy/
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
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((But unless you get all those who are pushing the message - a message that isn't that unlike the message spread by extreme radio pundits -))
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In what country??
I'll grant you that I rarely (if ever) listen to Rush or any of the other radio talk shows, but I think that if they were really calling for people to step up and be suicide bombers and take out civilians for "their cause", it would probably filter through to the mainstream media.
It really bugs me when people try to be all politically correct and oh, so tolerant and worldly about people who claim that their religion states "death to all infidels" and an infidel is defined as anyone who doesn't practice their specific brand of religion and then tries to equate that with fundamentalist Christians who are trying to outlaw things they believe to be immoral.
Seems to me there is a huge difference between attempting to make someone an outlaw for their beliefs and trying to make someone dead for their beliefs.
But then again I also missed the lack of nuance and the equivalence of stipping someone naked, sticking underwear on his head and a dog collar around his neck while you photograph him and cutting off his head while you photograph him-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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But our very own "christian fundamentalists" have killed far more people around the world than the moslems. For example, the 300,000 christians that we killed in Central America during the Reagan administration. Where were all your "christians" during those mass murder campaigns by our fundamentalists? You are either incredibly ignorant or a wilfull liar.
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Testament of the Death Squads
Good Christ, Bad Christ
.... Well before neocons teamed up with the Religious Right to fight radical Islam in what the former believes is WW IV and the latter prays is Armageddon, they honed their fighting skills against another “political religion:” Liberation Theology, Latin America’s Christian socialism which fought against US-backed military juntas and sought to achieve social justice through a redistribution of wealth. Two decades before Gibson’s bloodied and tortured body of Christ became a symbol of a united New Right, the diverse strains of America’s conservative movement came together over the bloodied and tortured bodies of Central Americans. ...
... In order to bypass public and Congressional opposition, the White House outsourced the “hearts and minds” component of its Central American wars to evangelicals.... right-wing Christians Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Phyllis Schlafly and Oliver North, along with evangelical capitalists such as Amway founder Richard DeVos...
...As part of Iran-Contra’s extensive support network, they deepened their ties with the international Right, with retired military and black ops personal, mercenaries, arms merchants, right-wing public relations experts, ex-agents of the Iranian Shah’s secret policy, international drug traffickers, ....
... Over the next ten years, as a direct result of US policy, more than three hundred thousand Central Americans, many of them devout Christians, would be killed and tortured, and over a million driven into exile. In a way, the New Right’s crusade in Central America was a preview that is today on world tour in Boykin’s Abu Ghraib and the killing fields of Iraq and now Lebanon. ...
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willottica1 year, 3 months ago
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"But then again I also missed the lack of nuance and the equivalence of stipping someone naked, sticking underwear on his head and a dog collar around his neck while you photograph him and cutting off his head while you photograph him"
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In a country where they'd rather die than face that kind of shame and dishonor to themselves and their family? America's different, we no longer need to maintain face and honor our mothers and fathers. I think that's a good thing. But in that country, taking your own life is more acceptable than bringing shame to your parents. I would be willing to bet that some suicides in America are still motivated by shame.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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What should the world do about the terrorists in the US? After all the US has killed far more millions of people around the world over the last 40 years (e.g. Cheney, Wolfowtiz and Rumsfeld killed their first million in Indonesia during the Ford administration) than any other country. Take them out?
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Should Panamanians join the rest of the world in a concerted campaign to make the US pay for our war crimes in their country?
US is ‘worst’ imperialist: archbishop
...In a wide-ranging interview with a British Muslim magazine, the Anglican leader linked criticism of the United States to one of his most pessimistic declarations about the state of western civilisation.
He said the crisis was caused not just by America’s actions but also by its misguided sense of its own mission. He poured scorn on the “chosen nation myth of America, meaning that what happens in America is very much at the heart of God’s purpose for humanity”. ...
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Nope. Being stupid will get you killed. The "war on terror" is an oxymoron.
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Check out this link and read the summary.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG741-1/
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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hyperbolla,I hope your writing this comment from Cuba,or Iran. I hope your not sucking in clean american air,and puking out your vile stinking breath back into the air decent people have to breathe.As for the two bands of thugs coming togather,"SURPRISE, SUPRISE SARGENT CARTER"Whenever,and where ever theres people to murder, home and schools to bomb,this vermin will be there.I read just a few days ago these rugged fierce fighters rigged explosives on two retared children, sent them to the target and detonated them by remote control.They probably got got a standing ovation in Pakistan ,
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