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Posted By Stringcheese 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsAtlanta, GA - “The best defense against crime is law-abiding citizens ready and able to defend themselves,” says Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate for president. “The police can’t be everywhere at once, so the rest of us have to be prepared to act to stop crime. That’s why the school district in Harrold, Texas deserves praise for changing its policy to allow teachers and staff to carry concealed handguns. That school will be one of the safest in the country when classes restart next week,” says Barr.
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Well, why stop with teachers. We could have americans defending themselves against corrupt bushie foreign policy, corrupt bushie politicians, .... After all Thomas Jefferson told us that the tree of liberty would need to be watered from time to time with the blood of those willing to defend their liberty against government corruption.
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Suppose Texans are smart enough to join in? Or have they all become sheeple?
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ednachman1 year, 4 months ago
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Republicrats and Demicans (they are both the same) don't want to lose a competitive edge against those of differing opinions. They want to foster the idea that two political opinions are enough to make a decision for electing a President.
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lizard891 year, 4 months ago
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Republicans and Democrats are not the same. Different opinions are what make our country so unique and sucessful. If you want a country where no one gets an opinion (which is basically what you are saying) go to Cuba, there will be plenty of fellow communist to greet you when you arrive.
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Actually, ednachman is a probably a Libertarian, member of the Green Party or some other third party. He has different opinions and wants to be heard- however, the other two parties will not allow his party to participate in debates or give any credibility to them whatsoever.
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He wants to expand the opinion base. The other two parties keep trying to narrow it.
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ekul2561 year, 4 months ago
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vor1 year, 4 months ago
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They never bother to read the ENTIRE 2nd Amendment or take into account that the Founding Fathers were talking about a single shot powder musket that took some substantial time to reload. I know people who love Barr. But they also are the types that get excited by watching an M-16 make a melon explode. Not the sharpest tacks on the board.
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Actually, you might want to do some research of your own. The Second Amendment clearly states that the right to bear arms will not be infringed. Arguing that it only applies to weaponry of the day is akin to arguing that, because telephones did not exist in the era, that the government has the right to tap a phone.
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Also, the Second doesn't guarantee the right of a Militia to keep and bear arms. It guarantees the right of the people, which in the era was synonymous with the Militia. Therefore they didn't mean only the Militia... they quite clearly meant the people.-
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alakazam1 year, 4 months ago
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Common sense maybe?
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I am trustworthy enough to hold one without committing a misdeed, perhaps you are too, but I don't even want the Cops just carrying them around.
If entrusted with one and mustered out to fight for Freedom...I would gladly use it.
Until then...except for training...it would stay safely packed in it's case.
I dunno that I would trust everyone the same with one.
So why not have a REAL Citizen's Militia, anyone that denies we have a right to one of those is lacking in brain cells.
Minutemen require their weapons at a moments notice so they would need to keep them handy.
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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I can't buy lawn darts anymore. The danger of accidental death is the main reason. I'm only wondering when it will become mandatory to bury your Propane tanks. They pose a danger being placed next to your house or on the back porch next to the BBQ grill.
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greenmac1 year, 4 months ago
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Will13131 year, 4 months ago
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come down for a visit.. ... i'll walk a few blocks from my house which is in an "upscale" neighborhood.. but the area drastically changes in just a few blocks...
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and you will see why people here carry guns.....
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greenmac1 year, 4 months ago
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Will13131 year, 4 months ago
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well i live in a metropolitan area.. .. you have the good and bad.... and it was happening before the economic downturn... but is getting worse now .. ..
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if memory serves me .. you are Canadian... and handguns are almost non-existent there ... which might cut down some on VIOLENT crime ...
I just feel that police cannot and are not supposed to be my personal body guard...
call 911 and call Dominos for a pizza and see which one arrives first in any metro area in the US...
and by the way carrying a gun.. does not make me feel safer... self defense.. is just DAMAGE CONTROL.. you are already in SH*T when you can or should use a weapon....-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
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maybe Canada is a more civilized place, tho I hear per capita you got more guns up there than we do
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In 'Bowling for Columbine', Moore claimed y'all mostly don't lock your doors, and he walked around and opened some doors and walked in people's houses to prove it
I can scarcely believe that most people would leave their door unlocked. Is that true?-
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alakazam1 year, 4 months ago
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Might be cause they assume someone inside is gonna shoot intruders?
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Maybe...I dunno...lol
Used to be that way here...The assumption was that an intruder was asking to get shot...I just bet we had less home invasions then than we do now.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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While I'm home and awake, I don't really see the need to lock the front door. And I live in a city of over a million people in Western Canada.
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My wife grew up in a poorer area of a Toronto suburb. She likes the door locked.
If I forget to lock the door when I go out in the middle of the day, it doesn't really bother me a whole lot. I've never had anyone come in. -
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Bowling for Columbine isn't a credible source on many, many things.
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More guns per capita, but the regulations surrounding them are far stricter then here. Any idiot can't purchase one.
I don't lock my door. No reason too. Moore can even walk in here to prove it- unfortunately, Moore will "omit" that you can find places like that in pretty much every single Western democracy (even the United Kingdom, with a higher crime rate then the States).
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Ratskii1 year, 4 months ago
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I live in a major metro area too (though not one of the more violent ones). I don't and have never owned a gun. The one time I was mugged I fought them off with my hands while yelling 'fire!' They freaked and fled. Michael Moore, in his movie 'Bowling for Columbine' addressed the question too, though he didn't have any definitive answers. He noted that Canada had a similar ratio of guns to citizens, but had far fewer gun crimes than the U.S.
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If you include suicides, accidents and crimes committed by family members against each other, your chances of dying from a gun related injury increase dramatically if you own a gun.
I hope the teachers get many hours of good training with the guns they pack. It would be very easy for a teacher to kill another teacher or student that they perceived as a threat, when they weren't.-
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alakazam1 year, 4 months ago
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Ya...they should require several hours a week firearms training at a minimum...real handgun combat school as well.
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I think it's spookily militaristic, but schools are turning into War zones in the States.
What will stop an armed killer but armed resistance?
A kid got shot at school in Memphis today.
Shot at SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not the first time it has happened in Memphis.
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Similar rate of guns to citizens, but better background checks and the like in place. The next time you watch that film, watch it with a grain of salt. He was caught taking people out of context and splicing scenes together to make people say what he wanted them to say, I believe. I've never seen it, but I Googled it one day and came across a veritable treasure trove, that was rather well documented, of Moore's spin in the film.
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IMHO, Moore isn't really qualified to comment in a meaningful way on the subject. Hell, I'm not either.
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Grancher1 year, 4 months ago
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Teachers can be crazy people too, we had a teacher shoot the principal in Chelsea Michigan about ten years ago, and he had to think about it before he did that, because he didn't have any other reason to be carrying a gun. Teachers get angry like everyone else, and if you haven't noticed not everyone is very stable. Besides that if the teachers have guns it will not be too hard for the students to get them. Such a policy would end up encouraging, rather than discouraging gun violence in schools on the part of both students and teachers.
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I tell you this guy is a plant, a hack out to discredit small parties in general and the Libertarians in particular by spouting ridiculous half-baked ideas in their name. The article even references his NRA rating. I though it was obvious that groups like the NRA, NARAL and all those other lobbies are just out to control people by blinding them to all other issues, which are potentially much more important. -
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thaw1 year, 4 months ago
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you know, when i think back..... i'm glad my teachers weren't packin' heat.
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we made a few just "knots" enough to go postal on our "A"s.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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The logistics of this are mind-boggling. Where does a teacher keep said gun they're packing? If the teacher doesn't get enough respect from her students, does she use the gun to get it? I wouldn't be too surprised to have one shoot a shot off in the air to get the attention of the class (and accidentally kill a student in the classroom above).
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How would that gun be kept from students, lock the teacher in a booth? On her person, and a crazed student could easily grab it as she walks by. In her desk it could be taken if she turns her back or leaves the room. In a safe, it's not accessible when it's needed.
Add that to the post above about teachers snapping, and if the teacher's packing heat at the time, what happens? Do you let all the students carry guns so they can take the teacher down? I've heard enough stories of teachers snapping and slamming kids into walls or upturning their desks -- that if they thought about these things rationally, they would know it would result in their dismissal -- that it seems more a matter of 'when' and not 'if'.-
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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Schools perhaps should be retroffitted with bullet proof glass, and the teacher would be behind a bulletproof booth, locked from the outside, but of course with oxygen pumped in for breathing. He/she can shoot away.
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I think if you live in Michigan, there is a class on Hunter Safety that everyone has to take. Is there an equivalent for Urban Jungles? Perhaps there should be.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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“We need a president who will uphold and aggressively protect the right of Americans to own firearms for any lawful purpose, including, most importantly, defense of one’s self and family"
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I agree with the first part, but not the second. According to the constitution, the 'most importantly' should be for the purpose of defending one's freedom from the tyranny of a corrupt government. Law enforcement officials are there for the purpose of protecting you and your family, and you should NOT "most importantly" have to do this job for them.
In some respects, I think the Wild West was the right approach. If someone wronged you, you killed them. It made it much more likely they'd think twice before shafting you your due. Law enforcers should primarily be around to break up gangs who would use the power of the gun TO wrong others. An individual who shot the guy who stole from him shouldn't suffer legal action. An individual who repeatedly shot guys who "stole" from him would, because after the first one or two, it's quite unlikely that guys would keep on stealing.-
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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This coming from the same people that want government out of your family business. They don't want government, but they do want government.
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I would say, you are on your own if you have a gun. License it, register it, live with the consequences of it. DON'T legislate it, or expect support for it. When you get in a gunfight, it is ALL up to you. May the best shooter win.
Gene pool rules.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 4 months ago
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" If someone wronged you, you killed them. It made it much more likely they'd think twice before shafting you your due."
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YES!
When someone wrongs ME, I want to hunt them down and show them a little Texas education! People who change lanes in front of me without signaling, or who don't curb their dogs, and who talk loud on cell phones in restaurants, or vote against my brilliant comments...
Uhm, but don't let that STOP you from neg'ing this comment.
You aren't ...AFRAID, are you?
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MoB20071 year, 4 months ago
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If you thought that the joke would get you booted off Propeller, you shouldn't have posted it (nun or not).
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If you were to live here in Southern California, and had your above mentioned (joke) thoughts, your head would get blown off before you had a chance to "show them a little Texas education" let alone think about it.
Forget about changing lanes, in front of you, without signaling, worry about the sniper kid on the walkover above you. Oh, and don't even look at another person in their car, or flash your lights at someone because they haven't turned their headlights on at night.... -
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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The great experiment has begun. THis will either be a deterrent, or an attractant.
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Better hope those gun toter are receiving tactical training and visiting hte shooting range once a week.
If little Johnny takes one for the class when teacher misses, Johnny's dad will be coming for teach with both barrels. -
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tchef1 year, 4 months ago
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This may be effective in a rural setting but I really don't think it's a good idea in the cities. That's the problem with with the whole "gun argument". The situations are completely different. There is no "one size fits all" solution.
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I think one of the best things that we could do is to make anyone who KNOWINGLY sells a gun illegally to some one who uses it to commit a crime should be charged as an accessory to that crime. The key to this is the word "knowingly". If you are a registered gun dealer and your not following the legal methods of selling guns you know that those guns are not going to be used for legal purposes. -
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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Ok, I just figured this out. This a a propaganda peice put out by the Home Schooling Association of America, Right?
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Their new slogan is, "Keep the heat at home where it belongs....Homeschool".
Or, "Lunch ain't all they're packing these days....Homeschool".
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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"Texas deserves praise for changing its policy to allow teachers and staff to carry concealed handguns. That school will be one of the safest in the country when classes restart next week,” says Barr."
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That is if none of the teachers or staff went on a rampage themselves. Granted they may not be able to get far in a killing spree but they'd still be able to inflict some damage.
I have mixed feeling about this concept of allowing certain people the right to carry weapons where no others are allowed. But don't get me wrong, I believe in the right for legal-abiding citizens to own and carry fire arms. Just not everywhere they'd like.
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markmawn21 year, 4 months ago
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That sentence RIGHT THERE bugs me. "Texas deserves praise". So we should be proud that nothing else is worling and we have to stoops so low. This is a tragedy of epic proportions. That's like praising yourself for adding new Missile silo's. "We are a safer worls because of them". Who cannot see the absurdity. This is a day of mourning, especially for all those future fallen kids and teachers.
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albionperfides1 year, 4 months ago
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Charlson
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It all comes back to what the Constitution says. ........................a well ordered militia........
This is always ignored by the pro gun lobby. However if you still wish to carry guns and kill someone,say, in Florida because you "think" they are going to hurt you then go ahead but it is not the setting for a civilised society. For example would you try to carry guns in Europe? If not then why in the USA?-
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Okay, here is the Second Amendment in its entirety for you:
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
1. The well ordered Militia and the people were one and the same at the time of its writing.
2. A standing army was considered detrimental to freedom at the time of the writing of it, thus this area of the Constitution:
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
3. Being that a Militia that is well ordered is necessary for the security of a free state, why is this right guaranteed to the people and not a Militia, when the term Militia was used earlier in the sentence? I'll tell you why, because what is a "well ordered Militia"? Does it have to have government approval? Does it have to have a uniform? What definition will be used with this? Well, the framers of the Constitution used a very simple definition- an American citizen. Therefore, yes, the teachers are members of a well ordered Militia. This was to provide a counter-balance if Congress ever ignored the part about standing armies and, at the same time, to be an aid in defense of the country during times of invasion.
Does that satisfy you?
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Mdiar1 year, 4 months ago
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Alright folks, lets see how this plan goes. I'm not really for it or against it... being a believer in the Second Amendment, I also believe in the right of the school district in question (despite being an outcropping of the government) to ban weaponry on certain individuals. I consider it akin to a person saying "Don't smoke in my house" or "Don't bring a gun into my home"... all of which a person can enforce. I don't believe the government can make the call on this, but I do believe a school principal can make it for a single school.
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jimcmillan1 year, 4 months ago
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The students will respect their teachers more if they may be packing. What respect do you give someone that you know is armed? The classroom learning atmosphere would be expected to improve substantially if teachers are armed. After all, you, as a student would not want to provoke your teacher, or otherwise drive him/her insane. So many disrespectful students will think twice before being obnoxious. Moreover, statistics have proven that people licensed to carry commit nearly zero crimes involving their gun. In theory, if all the people who might qualify got a license the remainder would be the dangerous people in our society. Much easier to identify the riff raff if they cannot show a valid license to pack heat.
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jimcmillan1 year, 4 months ago
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what good will that do an obnoxious student who provoked the teacher with a dangerous weapon and the teacher popped him? Or, just made a teacher go insane, after all teachers sometimes are driven insane by students. While the shooting of a student might later to be found unwarranted, prudence on the part of the student would be appropriate. Self preservation, regardless of the law would seem to be the correct path for students to follow. Some people are borderline stable, including some teachers, better to tread lightly if your teacher is packing heat. Almost certain to lead to better classroom behavior.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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"So many disrespectful students will think twice before being obnoxious"
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It's a good theory, and it might play out. But my wife is a teacher, and she says that for the first week or two of classes, the kids will test the teacher to see how far they can push her. Adding a gun to that adds an extra element of excitement to the test.
"Who can get the teacher so ****** off he/she pulls his/her gun?" I would expect to be played out in at least one classroom. The kids know that the teacher wouldn't use the gun (would he/she?) but they might want to see if they can get him/her to pull it, and then use it as an excuse to get rid of the teacher they don't like. What parent would allow a teacher who pulled a gun on her kids to keep teaching at the school?-
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alakazam1 year, 4 months ago
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The proper response to a disruptive child is a trip to the Principals office.
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The proper response to an armed child killer is to stop them.
If a Teacher were to ever pull a gun without due cause, I would consider immediate termination and criminal charges of assault being filed getting off easy.
Guns are not toys...everybody gets that...The problem is some think disarming the weak is the solution.
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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Repect is not true respect if fear is the motivating force. And if students are disrespectful, then do the teachers have the right to shoot them? Because if the students know you can't shoot them, a gun will not keep order in that classroom. Swift, sure and fair punishment will keep order in a classroom a lot more than a useless gun.
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Charlson1 year, 4 months ago
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Well it's not illegal in some states if you are a certified pyrotechnist. Many of the fireworks I used to make (in the state of Florida because it's illegal in Georgia) are highly dangerous and are classed as such and regulated by the ATF.
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tommyjonq1 year, 4 months ago
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whether you like babar or not, you've got to at least love him. he won't win the election, and he probably shouldn't, but he should at least win a giant teddy bear. something.
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