GOP Deceptions on Energy: The Little, The Big, The Hysterical »
Posted By Spadecaller 10 months, 2 weeks ago in News
A closer look at the Republicans' disinformation campaign on offshore drilling for oil. Where are the legitimate journalists? Who in the mainstream media has enough guts to say a lie is a lie?
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Spadecaller10 months, 2 weeks ago
Schneider: "It is certainly remarkable. And the vast majority of Americans do support offshore oil drilling. They support anything, anything that will give them relief from high gas prices." Lou Dobbs Tonight, July 29, 2008
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"No experts said any such thing. For obvious reasons. "[Bush's] move to end the moratorium, in place since 1992, won't have any effect until a separate congressional prohibition expires or is overturned," said The Wall Street Journal on July 15. Instead, analysts "point to two distinct trends that may take the wind out of this year's price spike: an easing of tensions over Iran and evidence that demand for oil in the U.S. is falling faster than many believed."(The Wall Street Journal, July 18, 2008)
The American people are being scammed again. Paid for politicians and paid for journalists perpetuate the lies to line their own pockets. Those not beholden to special interests need to get the truth out. Preying on a public desperate for relief at the pumps is the kind of fear mongering the GOP is good at.
Will the public wise up in time before they realize again that they have been duped by the Washington syndicate?-
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
What is the liberal agenda.
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Don't drill
Don't build refineries.
Don't build nuclear power plants.
Spend even more money on alternative sources that don't work yet and will have problems being economically viable.
Norway PROVED that drilling and using their own oil can bring down the cost of oil to them. They have drilled, drilled, drilled and have cheap gas. Proven idea at work.
France has built nuclear power plants to supply 70% of their power and are building more. Proven idea at work.
Liberals have allowed different regions of the country require specific formulas of gasoline to meet different clean air standards. They then require that all refineries make all formulas. This made a burden on the refineries that the smaller companies could not meet. Therefore many were tor down. Now those left are working near capacity. Can't build any more though. If a company has money enough they can take an existing one and totally refurbish it and upgrade its capability but can't go the cheaper route of building one from scratch. Liberal policies at work. How to make things cost more money. -
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linkster10 months, 2 weeks ago
It is a simple case of supply and demand. We have resources domestically, but we choose not to produce them for environmental reasons. We are now dependent on foreign resources for oil, which makes us dependent on petty dictators, totalitarian regimes, potentates, etc, for a key resource. Oil is a commodity, like air, water and food. We need it or economy and our lives stop. Even if we use less, we still have to have it. Oil is used for gasoline, but also for plastics, medicines, computers, energy, food production - everything. This is not a conspiracy - that is just nonsense. We can produce at home, or remain dependent. Your inane comments lack clarity and insight. Conservation and alternative energy are part of the answer, especially long-term, but at present, we need domestic oil. You idiotic Washington conspiracy theories are nonsense. Open your mind to reality.
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Will131310 months, 2 weeks ago
yep... but don't expect the apologists here or anywhere else to buy that they wanna DRILL DRILL DRILL.....
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
Tell that to Norway where they drilled, drilled, drilled and have cheap gas. They are also an environmentally friendly country.
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Spadecaller10 months, 2 weeks ago
My God, to what depths are they willing tol sink to stay in power?
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McCain now leads the procession of bottom feeders.-
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
Look at the depths that liberals will go to to try to remake the country to use less energy.
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No drilling
No nuclear power plants
No building new refineries
The liberal answer to the foreseen oil problem was and remains:
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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mesodude10 months, 2 weeks ago
No, let's play roll the dice the next time a Republican presidential candidate is virtually a shoe -in (if that should ever happen).
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jordan1110 months, 2 weeks ago
Drilling off our coasts will not affect oil prices until the product is flowing. That will take a decade.
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But one reason for high barrel prices hasn't been addressed, at least that I've seen. The value of the U.S. dollar has plummeted. The Saudi's accept our dollar in payment, which means they would lose money by holding prices lower. Fix our economic mess, regain the value of our currency, & prices should drop. Just my 'humble' opinion.-
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dunkirk10 months, 2 weeks ago
That is very true, the inept economic policies of the this administrations which favors lining the pockets of a few at the expense of the many is one of the biggest causes of this mess. There are no shortages of oil. Unlike the 70's and early 80's when there was NO gas this isnt the case now.
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miklkit10 months, 2 weeks ago
Agreed. The high prices are a reflection of what the republicons have done to our economy. Fix our economy and prices will go down.
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Endoscopy10 months, 2 weeks ago
ROTFLMAO
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The reason it takes a decade is all the liberal red tape they have to jump through. That takes at least 6 years. I am a deacon and 6 years ago we built a new church. It took over a year to jump through all the hoops to get started. Even with knowledgeable lawyers etc. getting everything done we were halted because one organization had not had their paperwork filled out. This is minor compared to everything the liberals throw in the way of drilling and building Nuclear power plants or refineries. Way to go libs. Make everything take forever and cost more.
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hyperbola10 months, 2 weeks ago
Would you accept the condition that oil drilled in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, ... should only be sold in those countries? Why do you think the US should have a privileged position?
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Why do you think that the 4-5% of our consumption that we could get by drilling the proposed areas would make much difference?
Do you see any way to increase oil production by 15-20 fold so that the rest of the world can flame off oil at the same rate as Americans? If not, what do you propose - oil wars all around the world to guarantee our "access"?
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Spadecaller10 months, 2 weeks ago
davidhallstrom,
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Why should anyone be offended for stating you opinion in a respectful fashion. You made no insults to those with differing opinions. You did not label any one a "lefty -pinko-socialist -liberalnazi" as some dissenters on Propeller do. No, your opinion was well stated, but wrong. LOL! The vast consensus of opinions from experts not paid or working on behalf of the oil companies do not agree with you.
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"No one in the industry is falling for the scam. Nowhere in the Oil & Gas Journal, The Financial Times or in any respected source does anyone say that U.S. offshore drilling will bring down oil prices within the foreseeable future.
As the Energy Information Agency said, 'Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant'
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But, 'the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop at the reference case prices.'
In other words, oil companies might not even drill there if they could. The EIA estimates that it takes about five years, after the regions became open for drilling, before any oil production would commence."
To imply or pretend that offshore drilling will resolve the current dilemma is bogus and just a ploy to keep the oil companies in control of their continued prosperity, while they exploit the American public.-
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beavith110 months, 2 weeks ago
fortunately, i'm not as polite as that pantywaist davidhallstrom. ; )
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just kidding.
DHS. you're right. don't let any of the dem neigh sayers convince you that you're wrong.
SC, before you continue your "lefty -pinko-socialist -liberalnazi" : p rant, go to the EIA estimates and see what prices they ascribe to 'the reference case prices.'
its, like, $45.00/bbl. at $100/bbl wouldn't it make much more economic sense to drill like maniacs? wouldn't it make smaller fields economically justifiable?
will it fix the current dilemma? no, but it'll cut the pain and suffering that's going to occur 5 and 10 years down the road. and that's ONLY if the dems get their act in gear and take off the handcuffs we find ourselves in, now. -
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engineer10 months, 2 weeks ago
Great find SC. They have said there would be shortages since 1895. some more BS
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cowboygrandpa10 months, 2 weeks ago
Spadecaller:
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The propaganda is laughable.
The only reason that oil fields that were once not producing went back to pumping was the rise in prices. See my submission of The oil fields in Taft CA back in June.
The prices go down the oil production stops. It is that simple. They want to keep prices up for their own profitability.
Off shore drilling, drilling anywhere is expensive and gives them figures to artificially raise prices in the near term for oil that won't be received for years. In other words we will paying for the oil we will get??? Maybe?? Years in advance.
Cute little accounting and marketing techniques that allow for maximizing profits while promising no return to the payeees, which is the public and private sectors.
Yeah they are scam artists and snake oil pushers deluxe.
But hey that is something both parties have in common, they want to get as much as they can for as little real product as possible. -
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Charlson10 months, 2 weeks ago
"When Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman, Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne, Mike Huckabee, Mitch McConnell, Bobby Jindal, Trent Lott, George Will, and Bill O'Reilly, all echo the McCain campaign's lie - that "we withstood hurricanes Rita and Katrina and did not spill a drop" of oil - it's not a coincidence. When Norm Coleman, Jean Schmidt, Mary Matalin , Rudy Giuliani all repeat **** Cheney's lie - that the Chinese are drilling for oil off the coast of Cuba - it's not a coincidence. It's a strategy. Those are the small lies which create an aura of plausibility for the big one, told by John McCain, that, "there's abundant resources in the view of the people who are in the business that could be exploited within a period of months. So offshore drilling is something we have to do."
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flyonthewallzz10 months, 2 weeks ago
Both the story that China is drilling of the coast of Florida.
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And that the Hurricanes Katrina and Rita did not significantly damage the industry.
Are not true!!
The China thing was retracted from its sources.
More than 100 platforms where destroyed by the hurricanes.
There had never been as much oil spilled in the continental US.
1% of the SPR was released the first month.
less than 1% of the oil reserves was released the next.
Fuel prices dropped more from the release than they rose from the catastrophe.
If the hurricane damage was insignificant?
Why release oil from the SPR?
If +$4 per gallon gas is significant?
Why not release oil from the SPR?
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Spadecaller10 months, 2 weeks ago
I just don't understand why they are considered small lies. The other day, I lied to my wife and told her that I ate the left-over chicken when in fact I had a slice of frozen pizza that the kids made. (I gave the left-over chicken to the cat.) Now, that was a small lie. (Though my wife didn't think so at the moment.)
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Charlson10 months, 2 weeks ago
I'm always giving our cats left-overs 'cause I hate eating them myself especially when they've been in the frig longer than a week.
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simonsez10 months, 2 weeks ago
Comments on energy from Motley Fool article.
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http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=FOOL&Date=20080716&ID=8908306&Symbol=CNQ
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miklkit10 months, 2 weeks ago
You can't read very well. It shot down David Halstrom's argument.
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cleare10 months, 2 weeks ago
i was watching bill maher last night and i think he had the perfect kicker at the end of a discussion on this topic:
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Spadecaller10 months, 2 weeks ago
Simonez! I can always count on you. What a joke! Motley Fool is a privately owned British company that pretends to provide "objective" articles and advice, but they are heavily invested in BRITISH GAS, a huge British company that boasts of providing cheap gas and electricity.
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As usual, Simonez, your cherry picked references are less than credible. LOL... -
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simonsez10 months, 2 weeks ago
The above article is an objective look at the situation. Oil found and delivered anywhere will be sold at world prices and OPEC controls enough of the world supply to set that price.
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When new supplies come on, however, OPEC then has to try to reduce members output. They cheat on this and produce more than they're supposed to, thereby causing over supply.
Then price comes down.
What is important is that new supplies of our own keeps the money in our economy creating good new jobs and opportunities for Americans.-
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Will131310 months, 2 weeks ago
i'll agree with MOST of what you say....
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but you stop short...
cutting demand... by producing alternatives to oil....including but not limited to....
NUCLEAR
SOLAR
WIND
GEOTHERMAL
TIDAL
HYDROGEN
by cutting demand .. you also increase supply and CREATE JOBS....you also aren't sending 700 or so billion dollars to people that hate us......
part of the argument about the alternatives is cost... well we simply can at this price afford some of the alternatives and the research necessary to bring their costs lower....
another thought A LOT of the oil that is not being drilled is simply because it is in areas that did not make financial sense until the price of a barrel reached certain levels.... you don't make money selling oil at $50 per barrel if it costs 100 to get it out of the ground...... -
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miklkit10 months, 2 weeks ago
What makes you think that a 1% increase in supply, sold worldwide, will make any difference at all domestically?
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lloydm6510 months, 2 weeks ago
please let be scammed forever,Today 09 / 20 /08 I filled my tank for 336.9 a gallon for regular unleaded.it may spike again ,who knows so lets start drilling .and keep drilling.Lets keep conserving,lets looking other sources of energy ,Oh yeah lets keep our eyes on certain democrats who for profit sake would block our efforts.I don't know her name, but her initials are Nancy Polosi.
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ironworker10 months, 2 weeks ago
What a joke! Do you think that even if we did open up more drilling off of our shores, that we would see any of it? The rest of the world (look at what Europe pays per gallon) pays more for gas than we do. Do you really think that oil companies are going to sell the crude and refine gas to sell to us for less that they can the rest of the world? Wake up and make some sense. The oil companies like the situation the way it is now. They are reaping profits at incredible levels. They already hold leases on sites where they have no intention of drilling. They have yet to even explore. They want the leases so they can get them and then sit on them. Any oil they get their greedy hands on will go to China or other counties that are paying top money.
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You may have not been around for the gas shortages in the 70s. After more gas was available, things went right back to "business as usual". If we allow drilling, there will be no incentive to look for alternative sources. Again, do you really think the oil companies will spend their profit money looking for aternatives? They will spend it on more drilling sites.
Give us all a break and use some common sense.
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