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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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What is the liberal agenda.
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Don't drill
Don't build refineries.
Don't build nuclear power plants.
Spend even more money on alternative sources that don't work yet and will have problems being economically viable.
Norway PROVED that drilling and using their own oil can bring down the cost of oil to them. They have drilled, drilled, drilled and have cheap gas. Proven idea at work.
France has built nuclear power plants to supply 70% of their power and are building more. Proven idea at work.
Liberals have allowed different regions of the country require specific formulas of gasoline to meet different clean air standards. They then require that all refineries make all formulas. This made a burden on the refineries that the smaller companies could not meet. Therefore many were tor down. Now those left are working near capacity. Can't build any more though. If a company has money enough they can take an existing one and totally refurbish it and upgrade its capability but can't go the cheaper route of building one from scratch. Liberal policies at work. How to make things cost more money.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Demonstrate the lies instead of an ad hominem attack.
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Is the liberal agenda wrong?
Norway has drilled and has low wholesale rates before the government taxed it to death. Is that wrong?
Has France built nuclear reactors to make that much electricity?
Are the rules concerning refineries wrong?
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Hehehe...Exactly. Norwegians don't vote in our elections, right cons? We shouldn't care what they say just like we don't care about hundreds of thousands of Germans greeting Obama a few weeks ago, right? What the rest of the world does is irrelevant. That's what you've always taught us. ;-)
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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You people say that drilling is not the answer. Then when an example is presented that proves you wrong you go into this rant. Liberals kept us from drilling because of the environment that would be harmed. Norway did it and was environmentally friendly. Something that the liberals said could not be done. I believe if we get out of the way our American know how could do it better than Norway. However the answer from liberals is always no.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.-
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Norway has gun rights, too but for the same reason I don't think Americans should have guns, I don't trust our own people to drill with serious regard for our environment. Cons. OMG, cons... YOU are the people who allowed Bush and the oil companies to destroy our planet for the last 8 years with impunity! Republicans did no oversight and said yes to everything Bush asked forand then CONS--holy CRAP you people make me sick--you turned around and freaking REWARDED that disgusting weasel with a second term in office?! And what did you get out of the deal? FOUR DOLLAR GAS! ROTFLMAO How braindead can cons BE?! So I ask you, WHAT in the name of all that's holy could possibly make you think ANYONE trusts you people to drill for oil responsibly?! What kind of DRUGS are you taking, Endo?! ;-(
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GWHayduke1 year, 3 months ago
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And complicit nonsense from Capey.
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Suggesting that we ELIMINATE oil from usage altogether is how any kind of opposition to alternative energy sources describes dissenting strategy.
Its counterproductive, AntiAmerican, anti-competitive and outright foolish to go on about business utilizing archaic technology as if it is cutting edge and will be viable long into the future.
Black or White.
Somehow their strategy for success relies on taking two steps backward and repeating the same idiotic consumer behavior patterns that got us into the 'energy crisis' we face.
Innovation and future competitiveness is absolutely dependent upon insight, development and exploitation of supplemental energy resources.-
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
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Have you looked into what these alternative energy sources cost to manufacture. People are doing stupid things in the name of Green, Green is big business, but it is not smart.
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A simple solar panel takes 20 years of energy to manufacture, I have news for you, a solar panel on your roof will not last 20 years. So in the end it is anti-green. Ethanol in your gas costs more energy to grow and manufacture than it outputs - another loss. I also looked into windmills, I live on a ridge of a mountain and have lots of wind, but after looking at the output and cost. It boils down to a marginal gain.
There is still nothing as cheap as oil to power your car. Nuke and Hydro are the best for Electric. But try to build one of these and you will be fighting lawsuits from the eco-nuts all the time.
Maybe about the best we can do is add air to our tires.
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kobzikov1 year, 3 months ago
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You're a riot, Endo.
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Did you get the "liberal agenda" from Rush? Because I've never heard it from any of my liberal friends.
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna guess that you won't find a liberal on the board who's against drilling on currently leased millions of acres or against oil companies utilizing almost ten thousand stockpiled drilling permits.
http://www.shameonbigoil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/truth-about-americas-energy.pdf
I also imagine that most liberals would not object to building of refineries in most of the locations where they used to be before oil companies started closing them down. You see Endo, US used to have more than 300 refineries in the 1980s, but now has only 149.
http://www.bizmology.com/2007/12/26/why-aren%E2%80%99t-there-more-oil-refineries-in-the-us/
I'm not sure how liberals feel about nuclear power plant construction, but I can tell you that personally I have no problem with it if the companies are willing to finance the whole thing, would pass the environmental standards that of French nuclear reactors and all relevant regulation. Hell I wouldn't even mind if it's built where I live instead of the Wal-Mart.
By the way, do you know that both Norway and France have mostly nationalized energy sectors? Is that what you are advocating for US? Just curious.
What concerns the whole different regions having different clean air standards that seems like a state rights issue. Or does US federal government have some kind of a right to dictate to states what their environmental standards should be?
By the way, since 1975 until 2000 EPA has approved every request for construction of a new refinery; there was only one.
Building a new refinery is not cheaper then upgrading an existing one. As a matter of fact it costs double or triple of modernizing an old refinery.
/fact_check_have_federal_...html">http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/07/fact_check_have_federal_...html
Show me the experts with relevant analysis that support your backwards assertions.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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I listen to all the liberals here and elsewhere. I then say what they are saying is their agenda. Where am I wrong?
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Every time a nuclear power plant is proposed a pack of tree huggers come out of the woods and get the law suits going. Whose side are they on? I have observed this over the years. Block them any way they can. Laws are passed that make it almost impossible to build. Get the laws to conform to France's and get the tree huggers out of the way and watch what happens.
Same thing with refineries. It is very much cheaper to tear down ANY building over a certain age and start fresh than to refurbish an old building where the place has to be gutted. It is very expensive to remove everything while not harming the structure. Look at all the lawsuits to protect older buildings from destruction. When the liberals allowed different regions to make rules for the formula for gas they then required ALL refineries to make ALL formulas for all regions. The smaller companies could not bear that cost so they tore them down.
Was that part of the liberal agenda? Does not matter because that was the effect. Liberals never figure the cost of what rules and laws they create.-
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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I am what you would call a "liberal". I support Obama for President. I've even contributed to his campaign. I would support drilling if it will help but I also want us to do whatever we can to get off oil. We had the chance to make a difference in the 70's and we blew it. I don't want to blow it again. We need to change our habits. We need to find new ways to produce energy. If our forefathers had followed your mantra we would still be plowing fields with horses.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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The problem is that we have kept up research into alternative methods from that time onward. Nothing has been created that will make a significant difference. If you have been paying attention to these things you would have heard the different kinds of results of the research.
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What you seem to be saying is that we should do nothing to bring down the price of oil until there is a breakthrough. Guess what. Since Carter there have been incremental advances in many areas There is nothing on the horizon to really solve the problem. Magic does not happen.
There was a hybrid Pinto made under Carter. They took out the engine and put in a small engine driving a generator that charged a bank of batteries. There was an electric motor on each wheel. The car could go forever on the flat but had to stop once in a while if climbing a mountain. That was then and look at them now. They have overcome some technical problems and do it a little differently but the basic principle is the same. This is in automobiles and other areas have had the same kind of development.
Again there has been research but no magic.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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It is very much cheaper to tear down ANY building over a certain age and start fresh than to refurbish an old building where the place has to be gutted.
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How about a link to support this crap...man, do you just make everything you say up? The only time new is likely cheaper then rebuilding is when the building is historical, please keep to stuff you know about, like lying.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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"Spend even more money on alternative sources that don't work yet and will have problems being economically viable."
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--Cons seem to forget that the oil industry wasn't built in a day but we agree on one thing: new technologies will have "problems" getting off the ground--as long as Big Oil and Republicans continue to throw up roadblocks to progress. You want us to drill yesterday but you don't have the same attitude regarding conservation or alternative energy technologies.
"France has built nuclear power plants to supply 70% of their power and are building more. Proven idea at work."
--I actually would be more in favor of this but look at what cons have done to our regulatory bodies over the last 8 years. Just LOOK at the horrifying mess Bushco has caused by deliberately sabotaging agencies like CPSC, EPA, FDA, Agriculture, Justice and on and on. Everyone knows Republicans love power but they hate responsiblity and accountability. Who REALLY thinks we could trust cons to keep an eye on the operation, safety, and handling of nuclear waste, etc? Exactly...These people are absolutely dangerous in every conceivable way. Btw, France let's gays serve in the military too, Endo. ;-P
"Liberals have allowed different regions of the country require specific formulas of gasoline to meet different clean air standards."
--Stop crying, Endo and take some personal responsibility for once in your life. Aren't cons the ones who are clucking their teeth and preaching to homeowners in foreclosure about how they should've known home prices weren't gonna go up forever? What happened to that sense of personal responsibility where gas prices are concerned, Endo?! BAM! Suddenly cons find themselves in the crosshairs of Bush and his oil buddies and now everything is Nancy Pelosi's fault! Waaaaaaaaaahhh...That Nancy lady is bein' mean to us! We just want to fill our tanks for 20 bucks and drive 80mph in huge gas guzzling vehicles (cause we and our con spawn are God's gift to humanity and we must be protected by riding around in a tank). You're out of your mind, Endo. You're not gettin' anymore cheap oil unless you use less of it. Get over yourselves, cons. You cannot possibly be serious. LOL
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"Norway PROVED that drilling and using their own oil can bring down the cost of oil to them. They have drilled, drilled, drilled and have cheap gas. Proven idea at work."
--LOL... We're back to this logic again. I love how the rest of the international community is relevant to cons when it serves your interests. Norway allows gays to marry and serve in the military too, Endo but I bet you sure as hell don't think we should follow their lead in THAT regard, do you? LMAO con hypocrisy and lies for Big Oil slay me. ;-0-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Typical head in the mud conspiracy buff. Big Oil is the problem and killing them will solve all of our problems. Bush the EVIL president is helping them. Exxon Mobile is so big they control 3% of the oil. They then parlay that into keeping the price high and making obscene profits that they use to stop development on all research into alternative methods. I thought that one died about 20 years ago. But spadecaller and now mesodude have bought into that one. Bush is just a small new wrinkle.
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What technologies have they stopped?
I love how you rewrote the foreclosure problem. Do you understand what subprime is? It means that a person given that kind of loan will be less likely to keep paying the loan. Liberals felt sorry for people who were unable to get a loan for a house. Since liberals wanted everybody to have a loan they changed the rules for the poor people. They have no equity and/or have limited ability to repay. Therefore the interest is higher making the problem worse. The better banks only made those kinds of loans to the top level of those people. Therefore the foreclosure rate for them is less and the increased interest kept them in the black. The more foolish banks made the loans like the liberals wanted. They are in big trouble. Liberals create the problem so the liberal answer is to bail out the people who are having this problem they created. Taxpayers have to pay for the liberals mistake. What else is new.
Then you accuse people of having cars too big for running around. I have a Montana SV6. It seats 7. I quite often have 8 to carry around. Tight fit and a good thing two of them are little. By myself I have an S-10. But I guess we should all get skateboards right?
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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"Exxon Mobile is so big they control 3% of the oil. They then parlay that into keeping the price high and making obscene profits..."
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Actually the terrorist in charge Bush, helps to keep oil high by destabilizing the Middle East, what did you think he was doing there, bringing democracy? Wow, no wonder your government gets away with so much, you folks are about as uninformed as a third world country.
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splitrch1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm liberal in a lot of ways but I support drilling if we have additional domestic refining capacity to make a difference. As for Nuclear - I think it is clean, renewable and safe. We also need to transition to solar, wind, fuel cell, etc...
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What we need more than anything is to be as energy independent as possible. I hate giving my money, ultimately, to people who want to see us brought down. From a National Security point of view alone the above should be given the status of the Space Race.
Using algae to produce ethanol seems to hold great promise and can help stabilize the grain markets. If I'm not mistaken crude oil is a byproduct of algae being buried under great pressure for millions, if not billions of years.
So where do you get the notion that it is a liberal agenda to hurt the country by forcing people to pay more for energy?
What it really is, is the "NIMBY Syndrome". You know - not in my backyard.
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