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kobzikov1 year, 3 months ago
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You're a riot, Endo.
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Did you get the "liberal agenda" from Rush? Because I've never heard it from any of my liberal friends.
As a matter of fact, I'm gonna guess that you won't find a liberal on the board who's against drilling on currently leased millions of acres or against oil companies utilizing almost ten thousand stockpiled drilling permits.
http://www.shameonbigoil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/truth-about-americas-energy.pdf
I also imagine that most liberals would not object to building of refineries in most of the locations where they used to be before oil companies started closing them down. You see Endo, US used to have more than 300 refineries in the 1980s, but now has only 149.
http://www.bizmology.com/2007/12/26/why-aren%E2%80%99t-there-more-oil-refineries-in-the-us/
I'm not sure how liberals feel about nuclear power plant construction, but I can tell you that personally I have no problem with it if the companies are willing to finance the whole thing, would pass the environmental standards that of French nuclear reactors and all relevant regulation. Hell I wouldn't even mind if it's built where I live instead of the Wal-Mart.
By the way, do you know that both Norway and France have mostly nationalized energy sectors? Is that what you are advocating for US? Just curious.
What concerns the whole different regions having different clean air standards that seems like a state rights issue. Or does US federal government have some kind of a right to dictate to states what their environmental standards should be?
By the way, since 1975 until 2000 EPA has approved every request for construction of a new refinery; there was only one.
Building a new refinery is not cheaper then upgrading an existing one. As a matter of fact it costs double or triple of modernizing an old refinery.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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I listen to all the liberals here and elsewhere. I then say what they are saying is their agenda. Where am I wrong?
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Every time a nuclear power plant is proposed a pack of tree huggers come out of the woods and get the law suits going. Whose side are they on? I have observed this over the years. Block them any way they can. Laws are passed that make it almost impossible to build. Get the laws to conform to France's and get the tree huggers out of the way and watch what happens.
Same thing with refineries. It is very much cheaper to tear down ANY building over a certain age and start fresh than to refurbish an old building where the place has to be gutted. It is very expensive to remove everything while not harming the structure. Look at all the lawsuits to protect older buildings from destruction. When the liberals allowed different regions to make rules for the formula for gas they then required ALL refineries to make ALL formulas for all regions. The smaller companies could not bear that cost so they tore them down.
Was that part of the liberal agenda? Does not matter because that was the effect. Liberals never figure the cost of what rules and laws they create.-
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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I am what you would call a "liberal". I support Obama for President. I've even contributed to his campaign. I would support drilling if it will help but I also want us to do whatever we can to get off oil. We had the chance to make a difference in the 70's and we blew it. I don't want to blow it again. We need to change our habits. We need to find new ways to produce energy. If our forefathers had followed your mantra we would still be plowing fields with horses.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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The problem is that we have kept up research into alternative methods from that time onward. Nothing has been created that will make a significant difference. If you have been paying attention to these things you would have heard the different kinds of results of the research.
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What you seem to be saying is that we should do nothing to bring down the price of oil until there is a breakthrough. Guess what. Since Carter there have been incremental advances in many areas There is nothing on the horizon to really solve the problem. Magic does not happen.
There was a hybrid Pinto made under Carter. They took out the engine and put in a small engine driving a generator that charged a bank of batteries. There was an electric motor on each wheel. The car could go forever on the flat but had to stop once in a while if climbing a mountain. That was then and look at them now. They have overcome some technical problems and do it a little differently but the basic principle is the same. This is in automobiles and other areas have had the same kind of development.
Again there has been research but no magic.
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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It is very much cheaper to tear down ANY building over a certain age and start fresh than to refurbish an old building where the place has to be gutted.
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How about a link to support this crap...man, do you just make everything you say up? The only time new is likely cheaper then rebuilding is when the building is historical, please keep to stuff you know about, like lying.
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