Rice: Military power 'not the way to deal in the 21st century »
Posted By tehranchik 1 year, 3 months ago in News
It's hardly news that the U.S., like many countries, espouses standards that it routinely violates, but still, even in light of such routine hypocrisy, wouldn't you think that this , from Condoleezza Rice today, on an airplane to U.S. reporters while traveling to a NATO meeting, would be too brazen to utter: Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used whenever it wishes to deliver a message and that's its military power. That's not the way to deal in the 21st century. Whatever one's views are on the justifiability of each isolated instance, it's simply a fact that the U.S. invades, bombs, occupies, and interferes in the internal affairs of other countries far more than any other country on the planet. It's not even a close competition.
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tehranchik1 year, 3 months ago
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The complete quote from Rice: "Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used whenever it wishes to deliver a message and that's its military power. That's not the way to deal in the 21st century."
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The words out of these people's mouths (rice, bush, cheney, rumsfeld, and many other politicians) bring me to the point of disbelief.
Maybe they should explain to Russia what it is that we've been doing for the last several years. Then explain it to me.
It's ok for us to ruin other countries---we are the country with a big fat halo over our head.
Russia on the other hand is the country with horns and a pitchfork
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Unfortunately the problem is more than just the Bush administration, even if they have been much more blatant.
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International Criminal Tribunal: The US lied about Yugoslavia
The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague, Carla Del Ponte, this year published her memoir The Hunt: Me and War Criminals. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The "holocaust" was a lie. The Nato attack was fraudulent.
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UnusualSuspect1 year, 3 months ago
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I mean...what's going on here?
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Last week McCain said there's no reason to use military might in the 21st Century, and now Condi Rice is echoing the same thing?
Is this a new strategy of some sort, an attempt to play with our minds? Or have they just gotten religion, and see the error of their past ways?
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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Don't hate Condi. she knows her history, she has some common sense. Her fault is that she has walked the neocon line in this administration. But ask yourself? "Did she have any real choice?" The State Department is literally powerless with Cheney around. Powell lost that fight years ago and simply gave up in frustration. And even as National Security Advisor Condi was under the thumb of these thugs. I watched an interview with her several years back where she was defending their actions and you could see she was clearly forcing her words. Any real student of history knows what a folly we have made of the Middle East. That we have no real democracy in Iraq and that when we leave they will return to their old ways. Never forget that Iraq is a British creation that never has truly worked. Three separate states asked to work as one.
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This is not an ignorant woman rather an oppressed one. Interesting that the few logical voices in this administration are being heard only at the end. Read Fareed Zakaria's excellent summation of the situation in Newsweek, ironically titled "What Bush Got Right". One of the most sensible treatises on the issue I have read on the subject. Concise and to the point. Bush was never the core of the problem. The rotten part lies and still resides around the VP's office. Is it possible they are losing just abit of sway? We can't ignore issues like Soviet intrusion (ignoring them won't make them go away) but we have to develop sane responses.
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Bush, Rice, and McCain are all saying the same thing. Who is their puppeteer? They are acting just like businessmen. They have no morals or conscience, and don't know or care if they are lying. One would think they could remember Iraq and Somalia.
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gamahuche1 year, 3 months ago
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"Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used whenever it wishes to deliver a message and that's its military power. That's not the way to deal in the 21st century."
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On her way to or from Poland to sign the deal to install a battery of US missiles aimed at Russia.-
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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You don't aim anti-missile batteries at ground targets. You aim them at incoming missiles.
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If memory serves, it was a Democrat president who gave Russia the idea they had some say in Eastern Europe. That was his reward to Stalin for splitting Poland with Hitler and slaughtering unarmed Polish officers. You'll have to excuse us while we fix this historical wrong, and keep your Winnie The Pooh foreign policy on hold for the time being.
Too bad...Obama might have had a chance for the White House. Who knew Putin would cast the determining vote?
Oh...and just to **** in your cornflakes, Poland is free. We know how much that bothers you liberals. You'll just have to live it....you know...like the Poles do.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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FTA [emphasis added, mine]:
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".....every national politician must demonstrate their willingness, even EAGERNESS, to start wars.
Doesn't the idea that America is EAGER for war disturb the Right? This eagerness -
and I have HEARD it from BOTH sides - has nothing to do with defense or security.
Hey - we may not be goose-stepping but we ARE tromping around the globe inserting
ourselves and meddling in scores of countries. Getting rid of Guinea Worm or River
Blindness? Spreading Democracy where the least influential person is entitled to
just as much say in their government as the wealthiest and most powerful? NO.
We are TRYING to stir up trouble to advance an agenda that will facilitate the reins
of those countries being placed in the hands of the richest individuals and the most
powerful corporations.
WHAT does that have to do with Liberty - Freedom - Democracy?
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Well TonyBryon ~
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I would appreciate your perspective on what took place - Aug. 8th (?) that Thursday night when Georgian forces attacked inside South Ossetia.
That's plain and simple. I am not asking about Friday when Putin left the Olympics and Russian forces joined the conflict. What exactly was Georgia doing Thursday? What did they hope to accomplish? There were NO Russian troops outside the autonomous region of South Ossetia at that time - they had Peace Keepers inside South Ossetia - as did the South Ossetians and Georgia.
Come on - Georgia got this wild hair on Thursday and moved their troops and their tanks up to and into South Ossetia - Tell me PLEASE.
What was that all about?
And the "Devil (Russians) MADE them do it" -
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TheNewsseeker1 year, 3 months ago
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Unfortunately, America does exactly what Mrs. Rice is accusing Russia of at the moment. How right she is, when she states that military intervention is not the politics of the 21th century.I hope, Mr. Bush and Mr. Mc Cain did listen! Naturally, it is worth every critique, how Russia behaved in Georgia, but what about Kuwait , Iraq and Afghanistan? The Caucasian conflict has shown to us Russia´s dark side, the fight against efforts of separation by all means, but if America had acted like "we do in the 21th century", the world would be better off now!
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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If you want to draw a parallel between Putin and Bush, you must first establish that:
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Russia/S. Ossetia/Georgia = Iraq
How about you liberals start with all the summary executions and rape rooms that must surely exist in Georgia if your parallel is to fly.
Then add to the bouquet with Georgia/al-Qaeda connections, like Saddam had.
For a bold finish, explain to us how the Georgian leader--like Saddam--was participating in international terror outside his borders.
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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Selective use of ones brain,I believe Clinton thought he was doing the right according to the info fed to him.See how that works,even though it was wrong the democrats lay claim to a great victory.There was massive amount of destruction,hospitals apartment complexes,power plants levaled.We have never permanently ocupied a country.We have set more people free around the world than any other country.I believe thats what stick in the craw of the ELITE media ,they consider themselves neutral.
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allasam1 year, 3 months ago
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... from Rice: "Russia is a state that is unfortunately using the one tool that it has always used whenever it wishes to deliver a message and that's its military power. That's not the way to deal in the 21st century."
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Is this reptilian shape-shifter living on Earth? Is she in any way SANE? Does she know where the US is? Does the word Iraq mean anything to her?
... from McCain: "Countries don't invade countries in the 21st century."
and someone would consider actually voting for this old twit? He belongs in a home but NOT the White House.
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cleare1 year, 3 months ago
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the hypocrisy coming from the bush administration is giving me gastro-intestinal distress. this is truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black, or as a former boyfriend once said, " When you point a finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you".
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no doubt russia is aggressive. i'm half estonian and we have our own border issues with russia, but the US is every bit as culpable. pre-emptive warfare is a very bad idea, and i'm very worried about this game of "russian roulette" we're playing in poland.
i'm sick and tired of threats and posturing rather than negotiation, especially when you really haven't any realistic power to back up the threat. i'm fed up with "zip - flop", mine is bigger than yours, testosterone driven foreign policies.-
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TonyByron1 year, 3 months ago
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"i'm sick and tired of threats and posturing rather than negotiation,..."
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Did Russia do any negotiations before invading Georgia? Please stop the stupid attempts to equate Russia with the US. The UN "negotiated" with Iraq for 12 years before a coalition of countries finally put an end to saddam's barbaric regime.
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richsmith551 year, 3 months ago
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It is okay that we blow the hell out of Iraq looking for wepons of mass destruction but Rice tells Russia that military power is not the way to deal with problems in the 21st century. I have heard from military people coming back from Iraq that they expect to be sent to Iran for the next war. We need to stay home and mind our own business and take care of our elders and the people who had to fight to make this country free.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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richsmith55 ~
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They expect to be sent to Iran for the next war?
Well they had better be ready to don radiation protective suits.
I read that Bush met with Netanyahu at the King David Hotel when he visited Israel. Though the meeting was not covered by the press, Netanyahu gave Israeli Radio the gist of the meeting. He told Bush that Israel was going to NUKE Iran - and (according to Bibi) Bush was okay with that.
Not to worry THEN - ah, but NOW Benjamin Netanyahu is the front runner in
the Israeli contest for Prime Minister. Now.............I AM worried. NUKES??
If Iran had their thinking cap on - they'd place their CIVILIAN nuclear facilities
near their pipelines and refineries. That would assure some measure of
safety, at least from an air assault. Enemies would be forced to put boots
on the ground to force regime change and PRIVATIZE their resources.
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