NYPD to track every vehicle that enters Manhattan - will record and store your photo, license number, arrival/departure time, and radioactive levels »
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Georgia503 months ago
In which state do motorists have a right to operate motor vehicles on public roads anonymously? There neither is nor has ever been such a right. In most states, you cannot so much as park an unlicensed vehicle on a public road.
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Do try and make the distinction between rights and privileges. You want privacy when tavelling on public roads? Fine...hook your horses to a buggy like the Amish and off ya go.-
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Grancher3 months ago
This is not a matter of rights and privileges, it is a matter of controlling people. Initially perhaps it seems reasonable and if the stated intentions are adhered to perhaps it would be OK. However the instruments of power are merely instruments, the way they are used depends on those who wield them. There will always be people who seek to abuse power, it is a natural part of being human that must be carefully and thoughtfully overcome and not everyone is up to the task. The idea behind American government was to limit government power and spread it out as much as possible. By limiting the tools available to those in power we can limit the ability to abuse it. This program is could be a powerful tool for those who wish to use and abuse power, if it is permitted many more surveillance programs will follow. Once the systems for surveillance are in place there is no controlling how they will be used.
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traveler20003 months ago
I'm sorry, but what kind of bul****t comment is this.
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Are you that same american who is opposed to having to carry an ID card?
Who is opposed to gun control?
With the same argument, you can say you can't even walk on the streets (walkways) whithout being identified. Walking outside your home is a privilege after all. (ask the prisonners)
Hving an compulsary ID with you is NOT (as so many americans say) a breach of privacy. Having it checked at ALL times is.
The whole "protection against terrorist" argument is flawed and is only an excuse for "big brother" to control all citizens at all time.
It looks more and more like some S.F. movies, where individual rights and choices don't exist any more.... ... scary .......
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lin2u523 months ago
I also believe some people have privledges confused with rights. it is a privledge to operate a vehicle on state and federally owned hwys. You must first pass a state required test to get a drivers license, with state required insurance. In most states it is a right to drive around on your own private property. The roads belong to all the people, not just liberal whinners that have darn neared ruined this country with leave me alone with my rights kind of attitude. You do not have the right to speed and drive recklessly or impared as as you are endangering others. Since we are in a time, due to liberal attitudes, that there are many many illegal people in this country, we have to take different kinds of measures. God knows we have enough of our own undesirables and surely do not need to import more. As for this being an outrage, ha ha, it's a nit compared to some of the really important things to be outraged about. Be outraged because of all the illeagal drugs in this country, drive by murders, muggings, robberies, that are mostly led back to some kind of drug activity. The clear disrespect for law enforcement is a sign of the times also. There is always a few bad apples everywhere, but overall, these people have a tough job. Nothing stays the same and as this country changes, not for the better, so must our challanges to cope with it for ALL the people. If it's inconveinent for you...oh well!!
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Mdiar3 months ago
Ind06 emits radiation when he's being dissed :S
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This isn't a good thing!
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y_soitenly3 months ago
Considering what?
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Its BS. There's no need for that. It's one thing if they wanna track you going into a building or on private property but not for the whole city. Come on... this is just pure paranoia.
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Grancher3 months ago
The fact that someone else's hands are dirty does not imply that yours are clean. From what I understand New York is one of the least democratic (small "d") States in the country. It's not surprising that it should become the testing ground for new means of controlling people (does anyone have a better way to say that, there seems to be a word for it but it's slipped my mind).
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HMMace3 months ago
Rigth to privacy ??? You don't care when a murdering muslim drives his bomb iinto Manhatten??? he should get in with out being detected??? WAKE UP...
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UNLESS--OF COURSE --YOU ARE THE MURDERING MUSLIM???-
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ecotourusa3 months ago
HMMace-
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maybe if we stopped invading and occupying countries, as if we are the world's leaders, "terrorists" would stop murdering as well. what about all the innocent citizens who have lost their lives because of USA's aggressions?
this is so outrageous that you even made your ridiculous, naive and gullible comment above.
and, McCain and Obama, would only bring on more of the same outrageous policies.
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BronxBomber3 months ago
Geez Mace! Take some medication. You're goin' apoplectic! You mean you @$$-ume that everyone who wants an inalienable right to exercise his or her freedom to go where ever they want in this country unencumbered w/o any needless security hassles is a frothy mouthed, glazed eyed potential terrorist cell who spends much of his time praying to his 'welcome' mat?? LoL! Your too much!
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PsychoHosebeast3 months ago
Maybe you can explain what good a film of him doing it is, nitwit. You really need to cut back on the alcohol, it's eating away your perception of reality and you're just ranting pointlessly these days.
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ecotourusa3 months ago
let's all wear the same costume!
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check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I2_5RtUmps
good tunes, but the message is outrageous!
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Stringcheese3 months ago
Yeah, bout 10 min after posting, i was thinkin' "That was kinda dumb of me" - oh well. I'll do better next time.
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mackiemesser3 months ago
Sounds like a massive undertaking and depending on how long the data will be kept, it just seems like it'll take a huge amount of computer storage...unless each vehicle is entered once and additional infor for that vehicle is appended to it (date-time-place-in and date-time-place-out etc). Seems that it may be useful for law enforcement purposes but I wonder if it would be cost effective? As far as invasion of privacy goes, I sincerely doubt that anyone would be looking at every photo considering the massive amount of data that would be input and that viewing would take place only when there is reason to do so....excluding that rogue employee who would look up his acquaintances (and this could be countered by stringent security measures).
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ecotourusa3 months ago
apathetic americans will be voting for McCain or Obama!
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traveler20003 months ago
.*** .....doubt that anyone would be looking at every photo considering the massive amount of data that would be input and that viewing ...... ***
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You don't know.
They can, that's enough.
They can use it if you e.g. marched against some political decision, e.g. you are against the war in Iraq, or you are for impeachement, or ......
The fact is that where you go and what you do, as long it's not to harm others or do something very illegal , you should be free to go and be where you want, whithout Big Brother being able to know, as it is none of his business.
As for your remark, ".. depends how long they keep it...", even if they say "only one month", are you sure they are telling the truth????
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ecotourusa3 months ago
or, you can resort to another method of transportation.
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I just ordered a small (20lbs) electric scooter on Ebay.
top speed: 11mph!
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jordan113 months ago
I don't get it. What's the point? If there's a terrorist attack will they look at the film of people entering on the day of attack, (thousands upon thousands of vehicles), check out each and every one (thousands upon thousands of vehicles), and try to find the perpetrators that way? What about if the perpetrators entered the day before, or two days before, or three days before? I just don't see the sense of this.
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rawreel3 months ago
Good point. Additionally, the terrorists have CNN too. So they know about this therefore why don't they just take the bus or train? Secondly, terrorists don't execute their plans on the spur of the moment. They plan that **** for months. Who's to say that the terrorists don't live there months in advance and plan from inside? This vehicle tracking idea won't do a thing to help in that case.
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simonsez3 months ago
This is an example of government doing something only because they can with today's technology. It is HUGE amounts of money wasted ... it could never be valuable enough to rationalize the cost.
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Government: Mind your own business and do the things you are supposed to do.
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mntnman4443 months ago
Orwell's 1984 was about totalitarian govt and the cold war was based on not letting the Soviet Union come over here and do things like this to us,it should be mandatory reading in schools...what the hell is wrong with these people who willingly want to give up freedom?
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kritikit3 months ago
and thats why i left, drunk undercover s, police harassing children and innocent people, beating them in the streets and leaving them for dead. Its systematic harassment. all they have to do is put all the man power to stopping actual upper level crime instead of focusing on petty crime. and news flash they have cameras all over all five boroughs and it feeds in to nypd and even on public access in nyc. they are watching they are tracking now they are just releasing it to the press.
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setting up a dumpy park to be the next safest park, while not adding staff or park police too it, breaking a mans knee cap, as he rides his bike because they think he has alcohol in his possession, yet bloomburg and all the commissioners drink wine and beer while the philharmonic plays... also what about the radioactive parks in staten island, why havent we seen a investigation on how and why that radioactive waste was dumped there. and diamond dealer flying though the emergency lane of all the tunnels with lights and sirens... its set up to control the underclass, they jacked up the rent, cut the taxes, increased the food cost, handcuff 4 yearolds to chairs... they are making nyc people powerless... cranes collapse, bricks killing people, and abuse of authority goes unchecked... why don't they give more money to policing the police, instead of dirty bomb surveillance. -
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schoong3243 months ago
This vaguely reminds me of a book by a little known author called George Orwell or something like that.....let's see what was the name of it.......
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rawreel3 months ago
Hey Georgia50 (and anyone else who supports this practice) remember what the word public means. It means that it belongs to the people, all people. It does not mean that public areas belong to the government and people should be subject to whatever invasive practices they see fit to force upon us. Public land belongs to us and the government officials work for us. Nothing this drastic should ever be allowed to begin without the expressed consent of the people of Manhattan at least. I think all of New York should get a say regardless of which address. It should be put on the ballot as a proposition to be voted on by all New Yorkers in the November election. They claim that it is a matter of national security to make the weak-minded, easily frightened masses go along with their invasions quietly. Ever see Brazil by Terry Gilliam? You should. Everyone should. Remember those who would allow their liberty to be sacrificed for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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