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Posted By Neophile 1 year, 4 months ago in News"My decision came at the end of last week when it was demonstrated to the nation that McCain and this Bush White House have learned little in the last five years. They mishandled what became a crisis in the Caucusus, and this has undermined U.S. national security. At the same time, the McCain camp appears to be comfortable with running an unworthy Karl Rove–style political campaign. Will the McCain operation, and its sponsors, do anything to win?"
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Searchbeam1 year, 4 months ago
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This is a great find!
It brings back the nostalgia of the Eisenhower years, both as the commander of our forces in the European Theater during WWII and our distinguished President.
Susan has framed the GOP of her grandfather's time in a succinct manner, clearly defining the things that made her grandfather a great leader. GOP in those days put a lot of value on the principles of democracy, fiscal responsibility and the sanctity of our Constitution - all of which were progressively trashed by the last three Republican Presidents, selling their souls to the religious Right Wing and sacrificing their principles and integrity at the feet of the pagan godless of greed and power.
A fruit does not fall far from the tree!
Brava, Susan! I admire your courage of conviction and recognizing the vicious instrument the GOP has come to be!
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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The problem that some of us Republicans face is that leaving the GOP is rather like jumping from an airplane. The difference being that, unlike considering any of the other political parties, when you leap from an airplane you eventually hit bottom.
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Searchbeam1 year, 4 months ago
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The GOP of today is rotten to its core and is beyond repair or redemption. People like Susan Collins, Chuck Hagel, Grassley, etc. should seriously consider forming another party based upon the noble principles that the old Republican Party was founded upon.
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not2needy1 year, 4 months ago
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All the DECENT conservatives are jumping ship because of the filth they are being spoon fed. There are still some decent ones who remember the pride and honest values of the GOP, not the phonies we see today. These people aren't real republicans, it started around the time of Reagan, and it's gone downhill every election since.
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david_nwpa1 year, 4 months ago
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Susan Eisenhower has wisely moved out of the Republican party and landed squarely where she and most Americans will eventually find themselves. As both parties move further toward their extreme fringes, they should become less relevant. Though neither will recognize their deficiencies, they must accept that most Americans do not approve of Karl Rove tactics.
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memestryker1 year, 4 months ago
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She's got to be kidding! Ike was always featured on TV playing golf, and he and his party's sweep of the White House, House, and Senate resulted in their supernatural best friend, God, being added to our Pledge and to our paper money.
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In the meantime, lynchings of innocent black people were always in the news, and separate, lesser facilities for black people were ubiquitous. Anyone who thinks the 1950s were happy days, wasn't there. -
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Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago
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cleare1 year, 4 months ago
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negative ads are effective. much more so than positive ads. just listened to an interview by the author of "the science of persuasion". he explains it all.
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mccain knows he has an uphill battle because the repub brand is in so much trouble, he's not going to reinvent the wheel so he can run a "clean" campaign.
karl rove is the anti-christ. -
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memestryker1 year, 4 months ago
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Jordan11, the U.S. is pretty resilient. We've elected some very nasty stuff, and lived to tell about it (and do it again).
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And I remember colleagues feeling we were doomed as a nation when Clinton was elected (I voted for him, although I vehemently disagreed with him on several major issues).
The night Bush was first elected, I visited the Canadian immigration site, thinking I might not be able to continue to live in a religiously fundamentalist country (I'm still here). In fact, Bush's election emboldened me in some respects, and I came out of the closet on my atheism and openly mention it whenever people are discussing their religion. Amazingly, my mentioning it has brought many other atheists out of the closet, too.
It's the old Hegelian dialectic (thesis-antithesis-synthesis), where someone puts forth a strong position, which results in the opposing position strongly responding against it, and finally a synthesis of the two occurs, which generally occupies some middle ground.
I'm not giving up on the U.S., no matter which one of these turkeys ends up in the oval office.
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tchef1 year, 4 months ago
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Both parties have been going down the tubes for many years now. With partisan bickering and maneuvering to the point that nothing gets done. Rare are the times when the parties will think of what is good for the country instead of what is good for the party. They both fashion legislation in such a manner to contradict the legislation of the other party and thwart compromise of any sort.
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With the rise of the neocons and the ties to the radical right, in my estimation I put the Republicans as the worst of this time. But having said that I'm also not happy at all with the actions that have been taken by the Democrats. Almost every bill that they have crafted has been done in such a way that even moderate Republicans couldn't cross the line and support it. This is mostly done by setting the costs of the programs too high for any real fiscal conservative to support. Look to S CHIP, and the Veterans Benefit bills as an example.-
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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I'll put my differences with your analysis aside for the moment for the sake of agreeing on the larger principle...that of the decline of both parties.
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Exhibit A: Whenever there's a salary increase, both parties agree between themselves not to provide support to their own candidates running against an incumbent of the other party if that candidate makes the salary increase a campaign issue. This backroom tactic enabled Newt to beat back an otherwise formidable Democratic challenger who ran without any DNC support because he attacked Newt's vote for the salary increase.
It's increasingly us against them.-
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memestryker1 year, 4 months ago
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Georgia50, I consider Newt one of the most dangerous politicians we've seen in recent years. Combined with Rove, it certainly paints the GOP on the dark side.
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McCain has played politics for a long time and has friends--and enemies--on both sides of the aisle and, in most cases, knows when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. That being said, he is extremely hawkish and I disagree with his religious perspective on issues. He's no saint himself, but he's the devil we know. The people are so tired of war that it will take a miracle for him to be elected.
I also see Obama as one of the most dangerous politicians we've seen in years. He is in the U.N. nest of thugs' pocket and he has no clue what it takes to implement a sweeping reform. He's successfully rubbed shoulders with the right people at every level to get himself to the next rung on the ladder, but not necessarily ethical people. His claims of taking the high road don't hold up. Junior Gotti attends church and helps the disadvantaged.
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TimALoftis1 year, 4 months ago
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I was very disappointed in John McCain for airing negative/attack ads during the first week of the Olympics. The games and even its commercials should be uplifting and fill you with pride. To Obama's credit he ran ads during the Olympics that did not even bring up his opponent - either by name or otherwise.
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Shame on you, Senator McCain...you and your campaign should know better!-
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miklkit1 year, 4 months ago
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Dumbya spent millions setting up Georgia. That includes sending 1000 Marines there. It includes transporting 2,000 Georgian soldiers from Iraq back to Georgia. The Georgians are very bitter about how dumbya did them wrong. Then McSame played the war monger, sticking his nose into what was none of his business while dumbya was on vacation.
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Shill1 year, 4 months ago
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Her grandfather was right about the "military-industrial complex" that we are now living in. Good for her! Neither of these parties is doing what they are supposed to be doing to protect OUR rights,OUR country, or OUR people. The Libertarians have the best ideas, but not enough big $$$ to get them access to the mainstream media on a steady basis. Both the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin and are bankrupt ethically and morally.
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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Ike had a point, but there's no way he could have foreseen the advances in technology nor yet appreciate how the military-industrial complex to its credit has kept the United States at the forefront of military technology.
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Example: by the time we had boots in Iraq, we had already severly dismantled the command and control capability of Iraqi formations. What had previously been the last thing to fall is now the first. Not much to brag about if you oppose the Iraqi war, but if Russia marches on Western Europe, such capability will save millions of lives.-
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quackpot1 year, 4 months ago
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The military industrial complex consumes over half of your income tax dollars.
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There is NO reason that the U.S. needs to spend more on military than all of the other nations of the world combined.
There is NO reason to destabilize world relations by dumping non-functional technology (star wars) in Poland except to secure more profit for the arms makers.
By over funding the arms industry and underfunding the army we have a situation where we have been stuck in Iraq for five-plus years and have totally depleted our military might.-
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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Actually, there are several good reasons.
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1) Jobs
2) Europe won't carry it's own weight
3) We are not without foes in the world who would bottle us in if given half the chance
4) The acceleration of technological advances is not a function of US military spending. It will advance with or without us.
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lloydm651 year, 4 months ago
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I'm reading it,but not buying it.The truth of the matter is Susan Eisenhower is a nobody,and never will be,but she will obtain a minutes of fame as a Obama groupy.Don't you just love how she mimics Michelle Obamas low life phrase"For The First Time in my Adult Life."I know you marxist,and soon to be marxist just love it.Well I have found it to be useful at times, it beats sticking your finger down your throat to induce pucking.
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Shill1 year, 4 months ago
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The U.S. spends as much on "defense" as the next 14 countries under us COMBINED. Much of this "defense" spending is on weaponry that is more suited to "Cold War" realities than to the realities we NOW face. Much of it is also spent on the defense of countries other than our own, and much is spent on intervening in other countries' business. We are over-extending ourselves and it is starting to affect us here at home. Ivan Eland's book, "The Empire Has No Clothes" is a much more literate and thorough critique of the U.S. policies that have led us to this point than I could ever hope to be able to articulate. Anyone who has any interest in these matters, be they liberals or conservatives, owe it to themselves to check it out.
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VonDau1 year, 4 months ago
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All this story represents is another example of a staunch conservative who, while dedicating his life and time to providing a better country for his children and grandchildren, forgets to ask about their (communist-indoctrinated) friends they've been hang'n out with. All to late they discover their offspring have been drinking from the liberal kool-aid punch bowl and, invariably, brainwashed. It's so sad that this bitch has lost her moral compass her patriarch worked so hard to establish in our once great country.-
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Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago
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Listen Up!!!
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NEWS FLASH!!!
...being a Veteran does not, in and of itself confer Honor...it merely sets a standard of Honor for a person to live by...the choices a person makes, the decisions they adopt...THESE define Honor...look at John McCain in light of how he lives his life, his choices and decisions, his votes,...
...then ask yourself this...if he was so "honorable"; why would he need to wage a campaign based solely on lies,smears and spin...
...oh, one more question...is a person who puts narrow partisan precepts above the health and welfare of this Nation Honorable??? Is somebody who discards the principles of Justice, and the Rights of WE THE PEOPLE...are such people honorable??? -
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Shadowolf1 year, 4 months ago
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NEWS FLASH!!!
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...being a Veteran does not, in and of itself confer Honor...it merely sets a standard of Honor for a person to live by...the choices a person makes, the decisions they adopt...THESE define Honor...look at John McCain in light of how he lives his life, his choices and decisions, his votes,...
...then ask yourself this...if he was so "honorable"; why would he need to wage a campaign based solely on lies,smears and spin...
...oh, one more question...is a person who puts narrow partisan precepts above the health and welfare of this Nation Honorable??? Is somebody who discards the principles of Justice, and the Rights of WE THE PEOPLE...are such people honorable???
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mgarnett251 year, 4 months ago
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Anyone hear the new info:DEMOCRATS select ISLANIC BROTHERHOOD PRESIDENT to speak at convention, this VERY RADICAL group is under federal investigation for terrorist activity and yet OBAMA says he has no ties to terror and we should not question his patriotisim!WHAT A JOKE !
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chevydog1 year, 4 months ago
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Wish her well. As Susan correctly points out, political attitides are often part of one's upbring and general outlook on life. Personally I was raised with a belief in fiscal prudence, action based on reality rather than ideology, and a conviction that government was to be an ally, rather than a boss or "the problem". Certainly the current Repub Administration (and some prior ones) , if judged by their actions, have pretty well decided that these are not really things that they value. Nor do the Dems for the most part.
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But it also seems to me that the political climate is such that any position by one major party necessarily produces a position from the other that is exactly opposed. It's almost as if both of them believe that no truth exists outside certain rhetorical boundaries. This is anti-intellectualism at its worst; and IMHO we are embracing it when we should be avoiding it. -
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