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Posted By RedRiverJ 1 year, 2 months ago in NewsA prominent Pennsylvania Democrat has sued Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States.
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CactusAnnie1 year, 2 months ago
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What a wild, weird, and bizarre political year this is. The Republicans are running a Democrat, and the Democrats are running a Socialist who might not even be an American. It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. Who are these puppet masters who seem, to have taken over our election process.
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Can't you just see George Soros in a movie set laboratory, rubbing his hands together and laughing a maniacal laugh? OK, getting a little carried away there, but...
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Ok, I am picturing Soros, rubbing his hands together and laughing a maniacal laugh, -
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lighting flashes; - Soros pulls on the last lever, and on the slab, his monster surges with electricity powerful enough to bring 75,000 people to a stadium. it's alive...
But outside the villagers gather; the Coors family, Cindy McCain, T Boone Pickens, Rupert Murdock, Richard Mellon Scaife, and a host of other billionare neo-cons.
Monsterous, hisses Murdock. 'unnatural. Soros has all that money and he wants social justice? A competitive society? A free America where the workers aren't temps who can be fired at a whim? Fellow American Billionaires, let's storm the castle before that monster gets loose!'
Wild and weird and bizarre indeed.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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I say yuck. It's a lawsuit. Attorneys are icky, bad, demonic people who only want to steal money from the rich hard working all-deserving cons and make their lives miserable.Or at least that's what cons usually say when they are being prosecuted or investigated for something. I don't know the substance of this case (actually I'm sure there isn't any) but you should be defending Obama from the bloodsucking attorneys and "activist judges." Have a heart, cons (ok, well do the best you can). ;-P
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
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MajJohn1 year, 2 months ago
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Obama to me certainly seems to qualify in every sense to be a candidate for and be the next President. This is a total waste of time, agreed, as much a waste of time as the attempts to initiate impeachment proceedings against Bush. It goes to show the extremes some go in this country.. I must interject, however, that while this is an attack to muddle up the election process, it's certainly not a "swiftboat" attack. There was a lot of truth to the swiftboaters allegations, there is absolutely no truth in my mind that would lead me to believe Obama is not eligible to be President.
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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Well, all I can say is "touche" or "tit for tat"....
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The libs got their smear campaign going on for McCain on the front page trying to belittle a Vietnam veteran who endured much suffering and torture....I mean, the audacity of the left....They are viscious little monkeys, desperate for their little Marxist to win the election.....
And then there's this story where Osama is finding it more and more difficult to prove he is indeed American....Even though, his name, background and everything else points to the fact that he is muslim, but the libs will never admit to that....
I wonder why the libs NEVER use his middle name ? Or why William Ayres and his relationship with THIS thug never comes up in the media? hmmmmmm....-
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
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According to the Bush-Cheney White House, McCain wasn't tortured, so you might as well drop that torture-makes-him-a-hero line.
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Why don't they use his middle name? No one calls me by my middle name. In fact a lot of presidents don't tout their middle name. I wonder why Repugnant Cons make such a big deal out of his middle name? It couldn't be latent racism, could it?-
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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Well, according to McCain he WAS.....So what's your point?
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You callin' McCain a liar who was actually the POW and was actually there or are you going to believe your liberal crappy sources ?
And do you even know what torture is, Dionys? THIS coming from the same group of lefty loonies that defined torture at Gitmo as putting a pair of panties on your head and dancing around a group of Islamic terrorist ...
So, shut your pie hole....
You guys wouldn't know torture or stress unless it bit you in the a$$.....
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 2 months ago
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Being a successful social worker (and university lecturer on Constitutional law) is a higher qualification for president than Vietnam POW, or failed oilman (or even successful one), or Hollywood actor, or repuglican senator, et al.
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Get your priorities right.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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This is why I think high punitive damage awards are a very good idea and I think Obama should countersue for damages big time. People who clog our courts with garbage like this should be made to think twice and should serve as example to others.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Not true by the law when he was born.
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In most cases, one is a U.S. citizen if both of the following are true:
1. Both parents were U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth
2. At least one parent lived in the United States prior to the child's birth.
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
2. The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth; and
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Mdiar1 year, 2 months ago
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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This link also contains pictures of reporters holding the birth certificate of Obama as well as the raised seal and many other things.
If he has a valid birth certificate, as he apparently does, doesn't that mean he was born where the certificate says? It says he was born in Hawaii. That makes him a citizen.
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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Panama was a US territory when John McCain was born there and as you said I think, and both McCain's parents american citizens. Obama COULD have been born in Kenya, American Mother, Muslim father from Africa. When his mother tried to get back into US while she was expecting Barack (Barry), the airlines turned her away because she was late term pregnancy. She MAY have had him in Kenya, went to Hawaii 4 days after his birth and was said to have had the birth recorded in Hawaii as his birth place.
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tchef1 year, 2 months ago
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I'm sure it was thoroughly looked into. This is just a waste of time. How about instead of calling names and Bringing these kind of issues how about we talk about real issues. This also goes for those on Obama's side who are questioning John McCains military record.
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corl641 year, 2 months ago
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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One thing we do know is that Mc wasn't born in the US!
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This man is a Hillary man, and a sore loser. Obama was born in Hawaii, it will all be cleared up soon enough. However, this is just another excellent example of Libbies throwing their own under the bus, which has cost us dearly in the past, and will continue to cost us until we band together, willing to do whatever it takes, regardless of what it is, to support our own.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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The difference is that Obama has only one parent that was a US citizen while McCain had two parents that were US citizens. If both were born outside the US then ONLY McCain is a real citizen. Therein lies the problem. The law at the time for both requires both parents being citizens if born outside the US and at least one of them residing here after that. The law was changed after that to be just one.
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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This 'article' is the downside of turning 'journalism' over to the internet .... any crazy person can submit any crazy article ... and even crazier people will discuss the relative merits of the 'article'.
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Even Jose Madre understands this is completely bogus ... and he (as I've been led to believe) was not even born in the United States of America.
This is simply more rantings from the so called Christian Conservative Political Party.-
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djn3nunez31 year, 2 months ago
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I don't understand their glee. Even WND debunked the suit?
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FTA-However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual birth certificate and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 2 months ago
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The Indonesian thing is a red herring.
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You can look this up on the state department website. A person does not lose American citizenship if s/he is automatically granted citizenship to another country, e.g. for instance if your parents drag you to another country and you get granted citizenship.
It all depends on the intent of the person, such as applying for citizenship on one's own.
We have to look at what Obama did after he became old enough to decide.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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In this case it matters where he was born. That is going to be the deciding question. If born in Kenya to a citizen of Kenya and a citizen of the US then he is not a US citizen. The law at that time requires both parents to be US citizens.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 2 months ago
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I read the article and the claims are based on NOTHING.
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It's all about preponderance of evidence in a civil court.
We have an authentic birth certificate with no evidence of malfeasance.
Game. Set. Match. Obama.
Unfortunately, this will not be the normal railroading of a black man in the judicial system. Sorry to disappoint Cons and the Democratic turncoats.-
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mivan41 year, 2 months ago
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And just how are you so sure there is no evidence? I doubt the article tells everything. Yes its preponderance in a civil Which is LESS than criminal beyond a Reasonable doubt! There might be plane reservations on file or other things that back his claim. Personally I don't Know and this is NO game.
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corl641 year, 2 months ago
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This is the point that I am curious about. The grandmother and siblings saying he was born in Kenya, might possibly match the time frame for her to return to Hawaii in the four days to file for the birth certificate. If he was born in a hospital in Hawaii, then there should be some sort of hospital records, i.e. doctors and nurse reports, hospital and/ or doctors bills especially. You know any doctor is not going to deliver a baby without sending a bill, there has to be a copy somewhere. Another thing here is, what mother would travel half way around the world to file paperwork with a child that is only a day or two old. Did she leave the baby in Kenya, file the papers, then go back for the baby? But why go thru all this added hassle, why not file the paperwork in Kenya? Did she know 47 years ago that he would need to be an American citizen in case he wanted to run for president some day?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 2 months ago
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Well, that's a point of view.
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I personaly like to statue the american flag, but I do it secretly.
I dress up in gray and paint my self gray and I go and stand very still in the park while holding a flag, and everyone thinks I am a statue. Even the pidgeons darn them darn them.
But I suspect you were dribbling that lie that Obama will not salute the flag or wear a flag-pin on his underwear or put his right hand over his left heart during the pledge.
some advice : go to the park, stand very still and hold a flag. Try and guess how much people love their country, according to how they behave in front of the flag.
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cushi1 year, 2 months ago
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Repugs have squandered enough U.S. tax payer dollars investigating consentual sex and engaging in an unnecessary war of agression that has the country on the brink of bankruptcy! We do not need 1 single cent spent on this bogus allegation.
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lreich38351 year, 2 months ago
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To paraphrase the old Ivory Soap commercial:
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It's 99 and 100 100ths' percent B.S.
But it's a great way to mess up Democratic unity and get McCain into the White House!
This fellow Berg must be named after what his head really is, in German: A mountain, as in
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lloydm651 year, 2 months ago
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Mesodude : Now your talking my language, you sue someone,and you fail to make the case you pay out the nose.Many years ago before the lawyer population overtook the Rodents,it was law
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My sister in law was in a class action suit for six years, she died so her husband was to be in line for the selttlement, he died, and due to my part in burying them both I recieved the the check.All fourteen dollars,and change. -
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truthiness1 year, 2 months ago
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Article2 section 1
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No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Also:
PURPOSE: To define the term “natural born Citizen” as used in the Constitution to include three categories:
(1) Any person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
(2) Any person born outside the United States to a U.S. citizen parent or parents who are eligible to transmit citizenship, and
(3) Any person adopted by the age of 18 by a U.S. citizen parent or parents who are otherwise eligible to transmit citizenship to a biological child.
This bill is intended to clarify the term and end uncertainty about the eligibility requirements to run for the Office of the Presidency. The definition of this term is an issue that has been debated in legal circles for years and has never been ruled on by the courts. Clarification is needed before this becomes a real issue. Congress should be the institution that defines this term, not the courts.
In addition, Congress has previously used their naturalization power to define the term “natural born” as used in a statute. In the Naturalization Act of 1790 Congress defined “natural born” to include children born abroad to citizen parents. Although the language was not kept in later naturalization laws, that specific language was not challenged.
Persons Born Outside the United States to Citizen Parents:
This bill clarifies that the term “natural born Citizen” includes children born outside the United States to citizen parents. This provision provides comfort and certainty to members of the American military and foreign services, as well as expatriate families, that their children, too, are eligible to run for president. These children are no less qualified than children born on American soil, and they should not be treated differently. Of course, children born to American citizens abroad would only be eligible to run for president if they satisfied the fourteen year residency requirement in addition to the “natural born” requirement.
Support for the position that the term “natural born Citizen” should include children born outside the United States to citizen parents is particularly well articulated in a law review article by Jill A. Pryor entitled The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty. This article argues that “any person with a right to American citizenship under the Constitution, laws or treaties of the United States at the time of his or her birth is a natural-born citizen for purposes of presidential eligibility.”-
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NoWayMan1 year, 2 months ago
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talk about flogging a dead horse.
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the Hawaii state dept. of health (the body that issues birth certificates) has already released a statement saying Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and that his birth certificate is indeed valid.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."
- Hawaii Dept of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, talking about the Obama birth certificate in question, June 13, 2008.
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Ohiojrk1 year, 2 months ago
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It is truly amazing to me how quickly people tend to jump on negative, fear-producing political tricks as fact. Does any one out there sincerely believe that the Democratic Party and some of the most influential people in this country would have put over 2 years worth of time and great amounts of money into the Obama candidicy of someone had not thoroghly made sure he was eligible to run? Give me a break!!! As for the law suit, I assume this was just a way to throw more lies and confusion to the american voter. By the time the suit comes to court the election will be long over and they hope the damage to the candidate will be done. Can't we just deal with candidates positions instead of all these "dirty tricks"?
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XDOW1 year, 2 months ago
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Interesting. Here I am a Republican voting for Obama and he has a guy in his own party suing him? It appears sour grapes from the Clinton camp or made to seem that way. oh yeah, if anyone else is interested Obama was born in the U.S.A. Here's the link to prove it.
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Certified1 year, 2 months ago
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This is how it goes If you by any reason get some information about an american citizen you just requeste a birth certificate from the state related, you wait and you become a real citizen of the United States Welcome to the wordl of pre nine eleven movement?? If he does not want to show his birth certificate and to say when and where it was produced then He is the biggest stand up comedian By the way the only think I can think of is WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED AND THE VERY FIRST DATE OF THE CERTIFICATE
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drat1 year, 2 months ago
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Disclosure: I AM an Obama supporter.
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I just finished reading the actual lawsuit as filed in Federal court... all 20 pages of it. I recommend that all concerned at least read it for yourselves ==> http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf.
Apparently, the plaintiff is asking for either:
1. the authoritative paperwork pertaining to Sen. Obama's citizenship, or
2. an injunction prohibiting the nomination from going forward.
To all:
Yes, the situation is *annoying*, but if Sen. Obama is legit, he can have is lawyer produce to the court the paperwork in minutes... case dismissed! BUT IF HE CANNOT, oh crap!!-
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drillstop1 year, 2 months ago
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Take time to read the birth certificate, On the bottom where it states any alteration invalidates the certificate. The blacked out certificate number invalidates the certificate. Look at the race! African is not a race no more than American, English, French, or Russian is. You should take time to go to www.obamacrimes.com and check out the charges made against Obama.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't need to go
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www.BSCONCLAIMS.com
You think one of his enemies in a state or senatorial election would not have tried this trick?
You're trying to push long debunked BS in an attempt to derail Obama. Why not just call him a Muslim? Oh wait, you did!!!
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NoWayMan1 year, 2 months ago
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this has been over for quite some time.
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the hawaii state dept of health said the birth certificate in question is indeed legit.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."
- Hawaii Dept of Health spokesman Janice Okubo, talking about the Obama birth certificate in question, June 13, 2008.
and, since his mother is a US citizen, it wouldn't matter where he was born anyway.
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djn3nunez31 year, 2 months ago
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FTA
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However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual birth certificate and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.
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nostalgia1 year, 2 months ago
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"The lawsuit then claims an investigation has shown that in 1981, "Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was 20 years old"
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This is the part of the article which I found the most intriguing
The Obama campaign has said he was in Pakistan for about 3 weeks, staying with his friend’s family in Karachi
But what was happening in Pakistan at that time?
Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled under martial law.
Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.
The Afghan Mujahedeen were based in Pakistan during this period and fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan
One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Bin Laden
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drillstop1 year, 2 months ago
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Since Obama never was qualified to run for President, should the Democratic National Convention nominate him anyway and he be shown to be unqualified afterwards, there would be no Democrat on the ballot in November. This would limit the voters' choices to McCain, Rader, and a few independents. The Democratic Party would be wise to resolve this immediately. I love it when Truth is exposed as everyone is better of then. There is a possibility that Obama and a few of his aids may go to prison before this story is over. It is only a civil case right now, but fraud and perjury are crimes worthy of incarceration.
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drillstop1 year, 2 months ago
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You're not thinking, nor paying attention to the entire issue! He could not have the Indonesian passport without being an Indonesian citizen, meaning at age 20 he was not a U.S. citizen. Naturalized citizens are unqualified to run for President. Read the Constitution!
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Mdiar1 year, 2 months ago
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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Yeah, you might want to read this. He was born in Hawaii. He moved to Indonesia when he was young. Thus, the Indonesian passport. He moved back to the States where the majority of his schooling took place when he was young, as well.
Now, are you going to tell me that this is a fake? Its not the same picture you keep bringing up. This is a legit birth certificate, Hawaii says so, WND says so, Obama says so, McCain says so... only a few crackpot conspiracy theorists (a large number of whom believe 9/11 was Bush's doing, actually) believe otherwise.
I've probably forgotten more about the Constitution then you ever knew. Do you know that the US army cannot be funded by Congress for more then two consecutive years, for example?
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ladyg19211 year, 2 months ago
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The Constitution says that the President must be a natural born citizen. Since at that time they were only thinking of the Continental U.S. and did not anticipate U.S. territories out side of the mainland, that is why it was written like that. Army posts, and other lands that are considered United States makes anyone born a natural born citizen. If a person was born outside of territory not protected by our rules of american parents, at the age of 21, he/she can declare citizenship of either the U.S. or that country of birth. I may not like Obama, but he is a natural born citizen.
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energynv1 year, 2 months ago
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Berg tried to sue Bush and Chaney stating they were behind 911 in NY. Berg wanted the leaders of all the worlds nations to come forward and take leadership because Bush and Chaney were criminals. Berg is known for his hundreds of nutjob cases...better do some research on him before you think there's any truth to what he has says. Berg may have credentials but that means nothing anymore in government, he's a joke to most lawyers.
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energynv1 year, 2 months ago
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Berg tried to sue Bush and Chaney stating they were behind 911 in NY. Berg wanted the leaders of all the worlds nations to come forward and take leadership because Bush and Chaney were criminals. Berg is known for his hundreds of nutjob cases...better do some research on him before you think there's any truth to what he has says. Berg may have credentials but that means nothing anymore in government, he's a joke to most lawyers.
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