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Posted By expursuit 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsIn all the tales of wartime courage peppering John McCain's
presidential campaign trail, perhaps the most outstanding example
of selfless heroism involves not the candidate but a humble
Vietnamese peasant.
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Most people would not walk casualy on the edge of a cliff.
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Most people, if faced with a box that might have a rattlesnake inside, would not reach in before they looked.
Most people would not drink from an unlabeled bottle they found in the cabinet under the sink.
Strange, then, that so many of us would casualy affirm something, with so little proof; something that, if it were ever shown to be false, would shame us past all forgiveness.
If John McCain did NOT do what you accuse him of, you have lost all honor; all claim to be honest, all right to complain when others take their turn to lie.
I would not walk on the edge of a cliff without great reason; and I would not accuse John McCain of this crime without a hell of a lot more proof.
The risk is the same for both actions a fatal fall.-
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wtagg1 year, 3 months ago
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Our trouble today is that everyone is quick to accuse and do not retract the accusation. Ironically, this type of accusation is exactly what sunk McCain's 2000 presidential effort. That was the accusation that McCain fathered a multi-racial child out of wedlock. Many believe the source of that accusation was Karl Rowe. Bush swept SC and it really launched his presidential campaign. McCain walked away with a campaign that went nowhere.
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Sad, since our country would most likely be a different and better place with that version of McCain. He apparently decided to become a mouthpiece for those that destroyed him in 2000. That is when you know that he has fundamentally changed as a politician and as a person.-
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Teech1 year, 3 months ago
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From Crymtyphon above: "Strange, then, that so many of us would casualy affirm something, with so little proof; something that, if it were ever shown to be false, would shame us past all forgiveness."
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Like invading Iraq based on lies and the knowledge that there were NO WMD's.
Don't see any shame from Bush and the Repuke Cons regarding that.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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That Bush and company are liars is indisputable.
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They have no shame.
So let's not join them. Let's have shame.
It isn't fighting fire with fire; its fighting crap with crap.
It doesn't work, and I don't want to shake anybody's hand after they do it.
I mean, yuck .
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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Strange, then, that so many of us would casualy affirm something, with so little proof; something that, if it were ever shown to be false, would shame us past all forgiveness.
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If John McCain did NOT do what you accuse him of, you have lost all honor; all claim to be honest, all right to complain when others take their turn to lie.
I would not walk on the edge of a cliff without great reason; and I would not accuse John McCain of this crime without a hell of a lot more proof.
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nope.. but I'd be willing to bet you believed EVERYTHING coming from "Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth" about John Kerry....-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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John Kerry was/is a hero.
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I would'nt believe the time of day from those swfitboat creeps..
It made me Furious when they swiftboated Kerry, spat on his service record, lied to America.
I am still furious about it.
That is the reason I don't want anyone doing the same to McCain.
A soldier's service record should not be lightly questioned. Purple hearts should not be dismissed. Acts done under torture should not even be discussed, except in tones of grave respect.
Kerry should be our president now; things would be better. The whole tone of politics in this country would be better.
You think John Kerry would approve of this?-
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wtagg1 year, 3 months ago
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It should be a goose and gander world. What is for one, should be for all.
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McCain should be respected for his service and sacrifice, just as Kerry should be.
McCain should be respected for speaking out against what he doesn't believe in, just as Kerry should be.
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tonyrac671 year, 3 months ago
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sounds like all liberals here lol, John Mccain isnt perfect but he did serve his country,unlike other presidents who ran to england to get away from draft.Mccain was in prison camp for alot of years nad alot worse treatment then cuban prisonors could ever imagine so get off mccains back and get real,obama might have won democrats ocer but he has no chance of getting republicans to vote for him .
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garyh841 year, 3 months ago
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1. What president ran to England to avoid the draft?
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2. Not supporting John McCain does not make someone a 'liberal'. In fact, most democrats are far from liberal. And there are plenty of Republicans who dislike McCain and there are even more parties... like libertarian and green.
3. There are many veterens of Vietnam who were treated far, far, far worse than McCain. Actually, McCain was treated 'well' compared to other prisoners and has by far the most North Vietnamese propaganda videos.
4. Serving in the military does not make someone fit for president and neither does becoming a prisoner of war.
Disclaimer: I do not support Obama or McCain.-
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Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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"coveted and prestigious Rhodes scholarship"
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I believe this is where we ask that you liberals do some fact checking and see what Mr. Rhodes would have thought about a black US president. Or, for that matter, any black any where.
Education...it's not just for conservatives any more.
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wtagg1 year, 3 months ago
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Had he gone there to shine shoes or become a street performer, you might be on to something. Considering that he had a scholarship, then anyone who went to college during the Vietnam war was a coward or a traitor. Anyone who got a deferment for any reason was one to.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Clinton did not support the war.
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He was against it.
He even protested against it.
What is enfuriating is the creeps like Bush, Cheney, Rove, Will, Krauthammer, Kristol, Rush, Feith, O'reilly, etc, etc who supported the vietnam war, praised the war, worked to continue the war, -
and dodged the draft.
Someone who got a 'greetings' letter from the government, went and died, while they waved a flag.
People like McCain and Kerry, who volunteered, are the most admirable. Those who went when they had to are next.
I respect those who said, 'this is wrong, i won't go and I don't want anyone else to go'.
But what respect is there for those on the bottom of the list, the chicken-hawkes who dodged?
And they are the ones who have been running the war.
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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I say, do you libs honestly want to bring up Clinton, Oxford, and the war?
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Don't misunderstand...I got no problem going there. But you may wish to play around with google a bit before you continue. Be sure to include the following search terms and phrases:
Clinton
Oxford
educational deferment
rape
protest
anti-Viet Nam
USSR
And do read up on Cecil Rhodes...you're running a candidate of color for godsakes.
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cloud151 year, 3 months ago
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I don't understand why were seeing so many stories trying to smear McCain's POW experience all of a sudden. It is really the one thing about McCain that most people on both sides say is a good thing. There are plenty of things to attack McCain on, but attacking him on his strong point? Not only do I think that's a waste of time ........I don't know......to me it just seems a little......stupid.
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wtagg1 year, 3 months ago
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Not to disagree with you on principle, but it worked great for the Bush campaign in the 2000 SC primary. McCain adopted a child from Bangladesh. Many would consider this a great thing. A poll comes out suggesting that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. The rest is history.
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As unfortunate as it may be in our world of politics, it has been a proven tactic. Take away the strongest aspect of a person moral and political strength, you take away from that person's foundation. The rest will tend to be shaky and may fall much easier.
This has become the basis of our political process. Very sad.-
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cloud151 year, 3 months ago
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I understand what you're saying, but I just think that people's opinion of McCain and his time as a POW is pretty much already set in stone. For the most part anyone he has a chance of voting for McCain isn't going to buy into this stuff. But hey, I guess it doesn't hurt to try.
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ind061 year, 3 months ago
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I never thought at this point, months down the line, that I would still be hearing the "Obama is a moslem" line, but I do. Just yesterday I read a person from the right (not on Propeller) who was absolutely CONVINCED that McCain was going to break the 'whitey' tape out at the Republican convention. So no, no it doesn't hurt to try.
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wtagg1 year, 3 months ago
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Chipping away at the foundation weakens the entire structure. I am sure there are some that can be swayed by such tactics. Again, look at states like SC. This tactic helped Bush win the state, the nomination, and the presidency.
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Is it moral? Does the winner care if it is moral?
It is usually done in a way that the candidate can say they are not part of the tactic. Plausible deniability, the cornerstone of our current political system.
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Grancher1 year, 3 months ago
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As the article mentioned a lot of people in Vietnam have claimed to have saved McCain's life, and in 1996 having a prominent American Senator who was saved by a Vietnamese man was politically useful. It is entirely possible that Mr. On was not the guy who saved McCain and was just chosen by the Vietnamese government as a place holder in a visit designed to improve relations between Vietnam and the US. Perhaps McCain wasn't stabbed in the leg, or perhaps his shoulder was not broken by a rifle butt, or perhaps one of a thousand other things tipped him off that this was not really the guy and he played along to save face for his hosts and achieve the desired improvement in relations. There could certainly be a lot of other explanations, but I'm willing to bet that whoever wrote this article was not primarily interested in the facts of the case, so I see no reason to take it at face value.
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Honestly though, this has little to do with his candidacy or the policies that he would implement on becoming president., if you want a reason not to vote for him you can find plenty there. Digging up stories from your opponent's past and spinning them to make the man look bad is a poor replacement for discussing the future of the country. -
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Jewboy1 year, 3 months ago
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Despite being a major John McCain hater, I'm willing to give the guy a pass on his war record. If we as Dems attack his claimed military heroism, we're as bad as the Republicans who shamefully Swift-Boated a brave, decorated soldier named John Kerry into oblivion in 2004.
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We don't need to go after McCain's Vietnam years. There's plenty to discredit this lying scumbug on without that. If he dissed the guy who saved his life, so be it. Move on. Let's kick his ass for being the cheating, phony, disconnected, uncredible bag of pus that he is. I'll allow that he was a courageous POW who lost track of his morality the day he departed the Hanoi Hilton.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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you are right, kerry got what he deserved.
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The reward of courageously doing your duty, and returning home, and moving on to other challenges, to address the problems of his country with an honest mind, not stooping to flatter crowds but move a country to better itself, -
whether one wins or loses an election is mere trash .
Kerry got a clear consciounce, the knowledge that he strove where other men played.
It's a good reward. I could be jealous.
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mark-stevens1 year, 3 months ago
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Look up what Bush/Rove did to to McCain in 2000, this is being nice comparing the two.
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Our country now elects those that has less lies sticking to them. We run a country that runs on lies. Vietnam war is needed, Kerry is a coward, Tillman is a hero, Iraq attacked the U.S., Soon we will get pro "rasslers" running for office... too late!! -
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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Time to shed some light on this illiteracy. The definition of betray is below. McCain never saitsfied this definition with regard to Mr. On because McCain was not cognizant of his rescuers and never had a relationship with Mr. On beyond the superficial.
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Note that when US firefighterers pull someone from a fire, they don't follow that person the rest of their life, reminding them of a previous act of heroism. In many cases, they don't even accept the appellation "hero."
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a. To give aid or information to an enemy of; commit treason against: betray one's country.
b. To deliver into the hands of an enemy in violation of a trust or allegiance: betrayed Christ to the Romans.
2. To be false or disloyal to: betrayed their cause; betray one's better nature.
3. To divulge in a breach of confidence: betray a secret.
4. To make known unintentionally: Her hollow laugh betrayed her contempt for the idea.
5. To reveal against one's desire or will.
6. To lead astray; deceive. See Synonyms at deceive-
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Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago
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Hey, libs do me a favor and send all this verified information to Obama and beg him to use it in his campaign. Oh, please, let Barry use this guaranteed to be truthful information to blast McCain out of the water for all the cowardly things he did while being tortured in a North Vietnam prison camp for six years. Oh please, please, please do this for me won't cha?
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traveler20001 year, 3 months ago
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There we go again.
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Only in American (US) politics are personnal attacks, slander and mud, truth or not , trown on the "other" candidates.
Both parties, republicans AND democrats do it , eventhough the republicans are the champions and trow the most "muddy" (and the most lies) slander.
Why can't americans vote on POLITICS, PROGRAMSand IDEAS.
I don't care what other candidates do in private live, as long it doesn't objectivaly, harms others (by objectivaly I mean e.g. being homosexual might subjectivaly harm you, if you're a extremist religious, but objectivaly, it doens't).
I don't care what they did or not during the Vietnam or other war.
I'm pretty sure Mc Cain probably behaved well, and might at the same time have done some wrongs in that war. War is war, and in war it's kill or be killed and follow orders (up to a point of course)
Yes Bill Clinton didn't go to Vietnam, and like many of his days, escaped, at the same time saying he's opposed to that war.
Bush didn't say he was opposed, but made sure "others" had to fight that war, while finding refuge in the National Guard, knowing he would not have to fight. (and even in the National Guard he didn't behave well)
So, both got out (like many). Again, I don't care, unless of course you're the one who wants to send your citizen to fight an illegal war under false pretences.
.Americans and American politicians, stop doing that.
Start thinking on real issues, both on short term AND long term (e.g. energy, ecology) and for the good of "the people". Problems of health, older people, unemployed, freedom, equal chances (as equality in se is never possible, but one has to look for as much equality of chances) education,.... ther are enough problems to solve, and all can have different opinions, that's democracy..... However, democracy also means not forgetting about the minorities, who have rights to ....
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Lasmincukr1 year, 3 months ago
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What do you know of former POW John McCain or anyone else who gave for their country even if it was in the National Guard. It's apparent you did not serve and misguided hate is in all reality a nagging guilt to be indebted to him. Shame on you. For you to even comment on something you cannot possibly know any of the details of or to even think you have a fair or legimate right to comment on this matter is the unmitagated gall of a person that will neither care about the honest truth of the matter nor care about the hurtful clamity such diatribe may cause all parties involved. You certainly do neither yourself an honor nor them any justice by maligning them with your hastly contrived opinions derived by your five minute read on this subject. You sir, cannot possibly have all the facts and research needed at your disposal and an assessment to the intellect of your statements, would tell us such information would be of no use to you.... but to us, your views are vile and your opinions are of the most insignicant .
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helburnr1 year, 3 months ago
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I cannot believe anyone would even think of listening to this trash. To begin with any claim that leads to the award of a medal or letter of merit is investigated completly by a panel from the U S military.
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Secondley, the Viet Nam govt was not at that time nor is it now a reliable source of info about the treatment of or the disposition of or troops in that hellhole.
Third, if you don't think spending six years of your life being physically and mentaly tortured would not reveal something to your captors even if it were unintential then you are really deluded.
Fourth, If you really believe all this nonsense then maybe you and Hanoi Jane should go there to stay and good riddance to both of you !!!!!!-
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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Well, since you brought her up...
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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John McCain's self serving history speaks for itself, Again!
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Whether this story is true or not would be of no consequence to the cons on here if it were about Barack Obama. They would be having a block party in celebration of their wonderful find. However Libbies, yet again, in the attempt to take the moral high ground throw their own under the bus.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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You are right that most propeller cons have no right to complain about a smear job against McCain. They don't speak up when something untrue is said, about their opponents.
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The democrats in 2008 have this advantage: we actualy have the truth on our side-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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What fancy features?
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Anyway, I want to talk about economics.
As you know, Bush charged the war for the last 7 years on the nations credit card, and they are starting to call us up and ask about payment.
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mmrhe1 year, 3 months ago
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I'd like to hear it directly from McCain...Does he believe Mr. On is the one who saved his life that day and is his story accurate.
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If he(McCain) agrees with On's story, he will look bad for his gross ingratitude.
If he disagrees with On's story, he needs to fill in the blanks.
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CHAM1 year, 3 months ago
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Right on mmrhe. I think he is just exhibiting his lack of compassion for anyone other than himself. This guy (McCain) is not any higher in moral and kindness than he is in his Academy scholastic standing ( 894th of 899 ).
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Simply said, Mc Cain is a bottom feeder.
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