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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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FTA:
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("Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969")
The author forgot to write that in the last years of his captivity, McCain took daily walks in the park, read Solzhenitsyn, had 3:00 p.m. tea and cigarettes with his "captors", looked at girly magazines and slept 10 hours each day. It was like a vacation.-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“read Solzhenitsyn”
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Is that the same Solzhenitsyn that has NO reference EVER to a “Cross In the Dirt” story?
“Remember that story about “The cross in the dirt” and that story was actually excerpted from "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, which was released in the US in 1973.
Turns out Solzhenitsyn never wrote about that cross story that McCain supposedly plagiarized
Turns out according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer, the story appears nowhere in his published writing. Columbia University professor Michael Scammell, the author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, says the episode “never happened,” and didn’t appear in Solzhenitsyn’s book, Gulag Archipelago, either”
Once again proving beyond a shadow of doubt
You can always count on useful idiots to be too dang gullible, stupid to look it up.
Was that the Solzhenitsyn you were referring too luv?-
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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That's the one, injest. The one that we libs used to try to further cast aspersions on McCain. The one that got propped all the way to the front page. The one that, when debunked, had a story explaining the debunking receive a rousing score of 1.0 on Propeller. It was the same story that had all of DailyKos talking. It was as if we liberals had a party with copious amounts cherry kool-aid punch. It left our mouths the color of blood.
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kobzikov1 year, 3 months ago
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"Is that the same Solzhenitsyn that has NO reference EVER to a “Cross In the Dirt” story?"
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Are you calling both Michael Goldfarb, McCain's lap dog from PNAC, and Billy Graham liars?
"Graham (Texas Tech, University, Sept. 3, 1975): Alexander Solzhenitsyn was over here recently, remember? And he toured around the country. And he told a little story that everybody ought to hear..."
http://tinyurl.com/5vnkat
"The story Solzhenitsyn told was of a prisoner who drew a cross in the dirt in a Soviet Gulag. McCain's story is of a guard who drew a cross in the dirt in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp..."
http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=181471d0-5456-4434-9f78-2f30ffc39459
"Turns out according to a Solzhenitsyn biographer, the story appears nowhere in his published writing."
It doesn't appear anywhere in Solzhenitsyn's published writing? So I suppose that means it never happened either or was Solzhenitsyn a liar too?
It's getting awfully hard to wade through all the BS in your comment, injest and I'm saying that only because I didn't bring my BS wading boots.
"Columbia University professor Michael Scammell, the author of Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, says the episode “never happened,” and didn’t appear in Solzhenitsyn’s book, Gulag Archipelago, either”"
When did he say that and more importantly to whom? You see I have it on good authority that Scammell said:
"I've been consulting with other Solzhenitsyn experts on the Colson story and nobody seems to know if it happened or not. Certainly no one I know can confirm it."
http://tinyurl.com/5vnkat
I've found that usually when academics have no evidence corroborating a claim they say precisely that and claim that something didn't happen only if they have evidence to the contrary, then again maybe Scammell is also lying, right?
So riddle me this injest, what's more likely that all the people are lying and you are the only one telling the truth or that you are lying? We'll ignore your stellar reputation for "telling it like it is".
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kobzikov1 year, 3 months ago
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You won't mind if I take the words of Phillip Butler, a POW who spent more time in Vietnamese prison then McCain, over yours, love, will you?
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Who said:
"John's treatment as a POW:
1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals."
http://tinyurl.com/62tdbh
Come to think of it, I haven't taken daily walks in the park or slept for 10 hours each day during my more then a decade long stay in US, can I say that I was tortured worse then McCain? I'd like to put that on my resume when I apply for a job. -
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