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Posted By chiefee351 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsBarack Obama Throughout the blogosphere, opinions are strong for or against Senator Barack Obama' s Vice Presidential choice. As you may well know, Obama chose Joe Biden to be his running mate for the 2008 Presidential election. As promised, Obama' s camp sent the information out first to those who had chosen to receive it by text message reportedly at 4am EST Saturday morning. Some say they didn' t get the message.
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UnusualSuspect1 year, 3 months ago
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Yep...best choice, really. If he and Hillary had just gotten along better, Hillary would have been my first choice...but it still would have been a close call...
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I've always liked Joe Biden...easy-going, outspoken at times, closer to being one of the people...much more so than our current President ever was.
As for Obama's opponent, his best choice is Tom Ridge...OK...OK...so he's pro-choice...no party can win them all, and Obama's opponent has to do it if he wants to win. No Pawlenty, no Pallin, and Romney would be his "Hillary"...they just don't get along...-
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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And the baggage of a negative campaign. She/they were pretty nasty to Obama. I definitely would not have chosen her. Joe Biden is a good choice. I like straight talking people. I can even forgive them when they are occasionally wrong.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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US,
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Easy going ? Did you see him speak the other night? Spit was firing out of his mouth he was so seething with anger toward McCain....And this was supposedly a good friend of his...I know this is all political posturing but the guy took it up a notch and looked more like a Nazi spewing hate than an "easy-going" VP candidate....
Geez....It Biden is easy-going....Hate to see who'd you select for harsh....-
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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With all due respect, if Joe Biden is a Nazi for his comments in Springfield the other day, I am left to wonder where the actions of those who have truly committed sins against others in this country would stand in your book. People like Karl Rove who was behind the treasonous act of outing an active CIA agent for political gain, for instance. If simply pointing out the obvious during a campaign speech qualifies as Nazi tactics, where does treason rank in your view?
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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And with all due respect back to YOU....I NEVER said Biden WAS a nazi, I said that he sounded like one with all his ranting and yelling....
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Unlike you a$$holes, I know what an actual nazi is and would never call or equate anybody from ANY party to the nazi party...
You guys on the other hand, like to take the low road and throw the word around like water and use it inappropriately like you do so many other things....
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
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"...I know this is all political posturing but the guy took it up a notch and looked more like a Nazi spewing hate than an "easy-going" VP candidate...."
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Didn't take long for the rabid right to start with the wild accusations.
Joe Biden, like a Nazi?
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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look who's talking....
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LMAO!!!
You guys wrote the book on it....and btw, a picture of a cute, cuddly dog as your avatar isn't going to protect you from the insults are make us believe you're some kind, loving liberal.....
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UnusualSuspect1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh, Brad...cool your heels...you take this all too seriously...
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And you did say Biden "looked more like a Nazi spewing hate"...you may not be saying he's a Nazi, but it comes pretty close...
Obama's going to win in November...no doubt about it...
By the way...I got some Obama bumper stickers for your Hummer...want a few for you and your friends?-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Cool...As long as it's THIS one, US....
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/25/obamas-pic-of-the-day-august-22-2008/#comments
Or the direct source.....
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/14242/?ck=1-
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cushi1 year, 3 months ago
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If had someone I considered a good friend betray his principles and hook up with the likes of the Bush crime family, I'd be pretty ****** at him or her, too!
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Biden probably feels like McCain either deserted him and his principles, or that he was playing him all along and not at all who Biden thought he was. Either way, Biden is not one to shrink away from calling a spade a spade.-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Sushi,
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"If had someone I considered a good friend betray his principles and hook up with the likes of the Bush crime family, I'd be pretty ****** at him or her, too!"
You're so full of crap, cushion.....You would not throw away years of friendship for political purposes....You're a friend first, a politician second.....Biden is simply being a sock puppet for the left and regirgitating all the sound bites that he has been instructed to say from Osama's camp.....
I have plenty of friends that we don't see eye-to-eye, but we're still very close and actually encourage differences of opinion....
Of course, I always win our debates, but that's another story for another time.....
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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Nonsense as always FSU! I am sure you missed Obama on Fareed Zakaria on CNN Sunday. Just a one on one interview with one of the very few sane political commentators. No question Obama is ready for the job. He makes GW look like a third grader with his knowledge of the world and foreign affairs. He referred to the Truman administration and the GH Bush administration as good role models (citing both James Baker and Brent Scowcroft as examples of good advisors) on foreign policy. And you might be surprised that I totally agree with him on that. Biden will also be a good advisor.
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You can try all you want to make him look like a raving lunatic. Yet as usual you couldn't be further from the truth. You don't listen to his words or understand his beliefs. It will be America's loss if he doesn't win. Apparently the greatest fear on the Right is to have a President of greater intelligence than the general populace. Real scary stuff!-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh yea.....Intelligence....Right...
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Like inflating our tires to solve our energy crisis ? How aboutt he ability to know how many states are in America....And then there's the issue of recommending the largest tax increase since Bill Clinton was in office during a relatively poor economy....
Yea....He understands EVERYTHING...Smartest clown I ever knew....
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
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Are you saying that keeping tabs on you tire pressure will not help with fuel economy?
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Or that getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the rich will not help the ecomomy?
Oh and he had a gaffer with the n 57 states remark, big deal, McSame has many many more gaffers than that.-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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That's fine....
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You're a liberal....I'd expect nothing less...
But to think inflating your tires is equivalent to offshore drilling, which is what Osama said, for solving our energy needs and to ween us off foreign oil....
Then you may also believe the moon is made of cheese....
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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Your an idiot and you keep proving it! WE have to pay our bills and I am afraid the rich are going to have to foot the bill. No one else has a pot to p*ss in after the past seven years.
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And stop disseminating false information. You are insane to say that the economy of the mid to late 90's was poor. Your singular opinion, of course maybe you could get AG and Aniokly to accept this but not the thinking among us.
You would sell this country right down the river for the sole purpose of preventing a Democrat from being elected President. You already have at least twice. You hardcore cons remind me of the Tories of Revolutionary times. Scoundrels all! Scared to death of changing the status quo. Clinging to your misguided notions.
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BB641 year, 3 months ago
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UnusualSuspects, you really don't know much about Biden do you? Between his calling Obama a clean guy, implying his own racist tendencies, he stated he felt McCain would make a better president then Obama. Until this last weekend, I never thought McCain had a chance. After seeing this line up, I cut my first check to the GOP in 2 years. Again, I'm not voting for McCain, I'm voting against Obama.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Joe Biden sold out America for his own personal gain some time ago. He is an open zionist with a son married into a zionist family who advocates leniency for zionist traitors to America (Pollard).
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As someone who supports the ethnic cleansing of 7 million christians and moslems in Palestine for his own political gain in the US (Biden is one of the most financed AIPAC politicians), Biden should NOT be elected by patriotic Americans even to a position of dogcatcher.
Watch the video where Senator Biden admits he supports the violent, racist ideology of Zionism.
http://denver.craigslist.org/pol/811074997.html
Then think about the fact that in Iraq Biden has been one of the foremost advocates of old zionist dreams about what to do with Iraq. Biden is a traitor to America.
Biden's Immoral Blueprint for Ethnic Cleansing in Iraq
's_immoral_blueprint_for_...?page=entire">http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/65197/biden's_immoral_blueprint_for_...?page=entire-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Partitioning Iraq, and all neighbouring Arab nations, has always been the long term aim of Zionism - as revealed even in publications of the Israeli foreign ministry.
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"The Zionist Plan for the Middle East"
http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/zionist_plan.html
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BigBadJohn6661 year, 3 months ago
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This is the scariest democrat ticket ever, B. Hussein Obama and Joe Biden. we have two socialist/communist, and one of them is probably a muslim. Joe Biden is one of the worst SOBs there is in politics. B.Hussein Obama wants to get us a new flag, the flag of the North American Union. They both want to destroy the 1st and second amendment and the rest of the constitution. Once they get our guns it will be much easier to take down the USA. I'm not happy with either ticket but I will definitely have to vote for McCain to try to keep the evil team of Hussein & Joe from destroying this country.
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There are socialists/communists in these woods, and they come around at midnight with hooks on their hands, and grab you !
The campers stare, firelight shining on their unblinking eyes.
These marxists want to take away our guns and our flag, and bring down the USA!
Silence.
BigBadJohn666 leans forwards, hissing; They will destroy the constitution!
A 10-year old asks, 'but hasn't the president already overriden key components of the constitution, such as habeus corpus?"
Another asks, 'What kind of socialist? Trotsky or Maoist? Seems kinda unlikely, here.'
An eagle-scout asks 'Why destroy the flag, when it is so much easier to prostitute it?'
A heavy political discussion ensues, propeller-style.
BigBad666 snarls, slinking away from the firelight into the dark...
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Biden was an excellent pick, IMO. He helps out in Pennsylvania, having been born there and helps in the rust belt in general, coming from a working class family. For a Senator, he is poor and he commutes to his Senate seat when in session. He brings real experience to the ticket and a strong working class vibe.
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
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How does someone who has been in the Senate since he was 29 years old and is now 65 get to claim that he is "working class"? I'm sorry, it makes no sense. He is just another career politician -- better than most, perhaps, but still hardly working class. Of course, he was a lawyer (briefly) before he became a Senator. Again, not particularly a hallmark of working class.
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My local paper also pegged the number of houses Biden owns at 9. So, if he has been a Senator forever, and his background is "working class", how did he come to have so many assets?-
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/763169.html
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"And Biden - son of blue collar workers and a man whose net worth of less than $150,000 makes him one of the poorest members of the Senate - can speak to white, working class voters in a way that Obama might not."
My family is worth around that. Its not really that wealthy.
I've found other things that all seem to indicate that he only owns one home, some of it attacks his record though. I'd have to see some evidence that he owns 9 homes. Particularly considering Biden and Obama discussed the fact he only owned one home. That would be a truly massive gaffe and I really doubt they're dumb enough to do it.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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I've done a bit of searching, and here is the most damning thing I found on the house front:
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http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2066915/posts?page=4
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Poked around some more and stumbled on this:
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http://www.publicintegrity.org/blog/entry/685/
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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I've only found one link that states he owns more then one home. Everything else seems to say he owns one home; however, I've found some discrepancies. Of course the question of how he can be worth so little after making so much for so long applies ($133,000 to be precise), but I think quite a bit of it went to college for his kids and basic costs of living. His home appears to be worth around $575k, which paints a different financial picture. I found some sites claiming that he would actually be worth a negative number without his home. At the same time he's apparently very close to the credit card industry. Its worth looking into.
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BB641 year, 3 months ago
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From what I saw on the news when questions on this came it, it seems that his home is part of a larger compound. Compounds are not included in the property value they're listed in a different manor. That's the way they do it for my home in Oyster Bay Cove and I'm sure that's how it's done in Delaware.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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He probably would do so.
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If he has, then I'm disgusted with him for trying to claim certain things regarding his homes. If he has more then one home then I think I may not vote for Obama, considering how Biden would have been painted.-
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Me?
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Nope, I'm pretty disgusted with each party. If I don't vote Obama, I'm probably voting Green or Libertarian. I'm not trying to smear anything. I'm just posting what various sites say about his homes. Most put it at one and put his net worth rather low. But, in the interest of fairness, I also posted sites that contradict this.
If you negged my Public Integrity link above, you might have considered reading it. It says he has one home and puts his assets fairly low.
I find it rather bizarre that if I make a statement based on my own principles then I'm a smear-artist who is pathetic. I will not vote for someone who blatantly lies like that.-
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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A Senator makes 133,000 a year.
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I'm just listing what the site said.
I also included other sites that give different takes on it. None have him with 9 houses; one has him with 4. Another site I stumbled upon, but did not bother to list, actually states his net worth would be in the negatives if not for his home. I found that to be rather fanciful and unlikely.-
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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try 169,300 and party leaders get over 188,000
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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I am a bit confused about how I’m a true white supremacist fascist and right wing nut who is only sub human because I said something against a white guy? How did you come up with that?
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Another thing you on the left needs to consider is when we say anything against Obama, we neva say anything not politically correct so we address only the white half when we talk smack. We have way too much respect for the other half to do that. Smirk.
Anyone on the right want to bet that these leftist think I was being serious when I wrote this?
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nikkibabe1 year, 3 months ago
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I totally disagree with Obama's choice. His message of change and change in the way Washington works does not sit well by selecting a Washington insider for 35 years.
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Further, I would never pick someone who has trashed me in the primaries. It will be fodder for scum bags like McCain to use Biden's criticisms of Obama.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Until McCain picks Romney.
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Its a trap... now McCain cannot pick the most popular choice for Vice-President because he's already shot his load. By pouncing on the trashing of Obama by Biden already, that gives Obama waaaay more ammunition to hit McCain with if he picks Romney. This basically leaves McCain with relatively sub-standard choices, at least on the major names that have been bandied about. He might even be forced into picking Huckabee to placate the base, and McCain doesn't want that. He may also pick Ridge; his pro-choice stance hurts him quite a bit with the base, though. I think McCain will be picking a dark horse... Palin comes to mind.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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Its a trap... now McCain cannot pick the most popular choice for Vice-President because he's already shot his load. By pouncing on the trashing of Obama by Biden already
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Errr what?
Not only did Biden trash Obama in the primaries, Biden RECOMMENDED McCain as VP in the 04 election!, that’s VP for the Democrats!
OMG I went to Biden’s Wikipedia bio and the 2004 elections been removed!
Blahahhaha now that’s both desperate and stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
Okay here ya go, What Biden and Kerry REALLY think
“McCain urged to join Kerry ticket
Biden says a joint ticket would help heal ‘vicious rift’ dividing U.S.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040803085719/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4961694/
Updated: 8:48 p.m. ET May 16, 2004
WASHINGTON - Sen. Joseph Biden, a senior Democrat, on Sunday urged Republican Sen. John McCain to run for vice president with the Democratic hopeful, Sen. John Kerry, in order to heal the “vicious rift” dividing America.
McCain, of Arizona, “categorically” ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.
“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.
(Did ya get that? Biden, 72 million registered Dems and Biden ONLY sees McCain as the VP that can heal the Country. Isn’t that what Obama claims he can do?)
“I think John McCain would be a great candidate for vice president,” Biden, from Delaware, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” where the two senators appeared together to take questions on Iraq and other subjects.-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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From the same article
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http://web.archive.org/web/20040803085719/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4961694/
“Kerry said Wednesday that McCain, a frequent critic of President Bush, would be his first choice to replace Donald Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense now wrestling with the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.
“I have any number of people that I would make secretary of Defense, beginning with our good friend John McCain,” Kerry said last week.
But on "Meet the Press" Sunday, McCain also indicated he was not interested in becoming secretary of defense in the event of a Kerry victory in November.”
So much for McCain’s the same as Bush. Remember this when ya hear the idiots say “Mcsame” their own words wil hang them as liars.
I wonder if this is why Obama got no bounce out of Biden VP?
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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No bounce out of Biden's VP? Of course not; most people don't know who the hell he is yet. Its been a bit over a day.
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Obama never dropped five points. He went from about 3 points in the lead (on average) to about 1 point... during a time period he was on vacation and McCain had to spend all the money he'd raised as he's taking public funding and can't use that money after he's the nominee. The biggest drop Obama had was when he went from 45% to 49% due to his trip to Berlin, then when the media attention died down, he dropped to 48% then 45% or so again. Which isn't a drop so much as the loss of a temporary bounce.
Face it. In the BEST possible week for McCain, when the Obama campaign was essentially asleep and his was in over-drive (as they had to dump a few million before the RNC), he only managed to lead out in 2 out of 7 polls. That's NOT a good sign (for McCain), no matter how people try to spin it. -
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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The McCain of 2004 is not even recognizable to the McCain of 2008, and because of that he's lost many of his supporters. There are a number of people out there who admired McCain as the "Maverick" in the Senate, and up until he was so totally destroyed by the Bush slime machine in 2004 he WAS the Maverick. That changed though. The past four years have proven McCain to be so desperate for the Oval Office that he sold his soul and became just another minion of the Bush administration. That's why you had to go back to 2004 to find those quotes. There aren't any of them around anymore because THAT John McCain no longer appears to exist.
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Oh, and just an fyi....wikipedia is NOT a reliable source for anything since it can be edited by anyone. You or I or anyone could go on and make up "facts" about anyone and they'd be put on those pages. You can't rely on that site as anything reliable when it comes to information like this, especially given how many haters there are in politics. Those pages are liable to show Bush being the head of the church of Satan or McCain being a spy for Russia simply based on how many people out there might hate them at the present time...wouldn't make it true.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Remember that big primary battle between McCain and Romney... ya know, the one where McCain claimed Romney wanted time tables for withdrawal? What do you think the Democrats will be doing with the footage from the debates with Kennedy, for his Senate seat, in which Romney outright stated that he'd do more for the advancement of gay/abortion rights then Kennedy would? How's that going to play with the base? How about the simple idea of a New England Republican... they never get anywhere with the base. For every single point you can score off of Biden, one (at least) can be scored off of a Romney choice now.
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The strongest points for Romney are the economy and Michigan. Beyond that he's weak, now, especially with the "Battle of the Elitists" being waged... and Romney is worth 200 million. Though he's certainly more intelligent then McCain... actually, if Romney had won, I may still be considering how I'd vote.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't see Clinton accepting it, personally. She's been rather clear on who she prefers to win in this election. Besides, I think Obama's already offered her something. Cabinet position, seat on the SCOTUS or Senate Majority Leader, at a guess.
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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I don't expect a cross party pick, but McCain is more likely to do it than anyone else. Hillary really is as close in stance to McCain as Lieberman and he doesn't bring 18,000,000 supporters with him. Hill backs Israel, is down on Iran, and pretty much backed the war! McCain is also about bipartisan effort. If he did this it would go a long way in unity between the 2 parties (except for the far left and far right-which I am)
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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I SO hope Romney is the pick but I extremely doubt it. Republicans are dejected enough as it is having a RINO as their nominee. Put abortion flipflopper and Mormon (gasp) on the ticket and watch as even more Republicans flee the party...
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cushi1 year, 3 months ago
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Well Nikki. Here's how I see it: Biden may have been in Washington for 35 years, but he is not an insider in the truest sense. He's never let Washington influence his decisions or the way he chooses to live his life. In fact, he obviously made a conscience decision a long time ago, to leave Washington where it is and go home ot his family in Delaware every chance he got! That speaks volumes to me about where his head is at!
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As for him trashing Obama in the primaries...there isn't any one of the candidates in either party who didn't trash each other to some extent. It's unfortunately, goes with the art of competition. The difference to me between a ruthless politician and one with some scruples is the ability to fight fair, and I do think Biden did that. He did stoop to some of the truly objectionable tactics of Hillary Clinton and her supporters, he simply stated that he did not believe (at the time) that Barack was ready for the presidency, but that he could be. That is not a totally negative statement. Further, as he has observed Senator Obama's brilliant campaign strategies, his strength, judgment, level-headedness and ability to rise above all the obstacles thrown his way, Biden has said that he now realizes that Barack Obama is THE BEST person to lead this country forward. In essence, Joe Biden has admitted that he misjudged Obama initially (like many people did and many still do), but after more than a year and a half of observing him, he has come to the conclusion that Barack Obama is not only qualified to run this country, he is THE BEST QUALIFIED to run it! Such an admission takes honesty, humility, and guts!-
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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'he simply stated that he did not believe (at the time) that Barack was ready for the presidency, but that he could be.'
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Do you think he meant he could be a few months or years later from that time? I'm thinking he was most likely thinking years over months at the time he said that, don't you?-
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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To be frank he was probably thinking that he really wanted to be President and Clinton/Obama were the two biggest people standing in his way. That's what McCain was thinking when he basically lied about Romney's stance on Iraq and a number of other things.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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He lied? I'm not sure of it being a lie or not so I won't argue over that. They all trash each other in politics it's the way of politics. Bush sr, trashed Ronnie too and became the VP.The only problem is they are on tape and their words are used against them in adds in the future, as will Biden's over the next weeks to come. The fight is just now going to really get going, we've only thought it has been nasty up to now.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Yup. He lied. Do you recall Romney supporting withdrawal from Iraq in a plan similar to the Democrats? That's basically what McCain said about his stance.
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My point, by the way, was that it was politics. They say what they say. Biden probably didn't mean what he said, just like McCain was pretty sure he was uttering a falsehood.
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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Nikki,
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but let's consider the whole insider/outsider tableau for a minute. Carter was hailed as--and truly was--an outsider. But he got nowhere with a Democratic Capitol Hill. Considering that, and the emptiness of this rhetoric since the Carter years, I no longer think it's practical to focus on the beltway as the appropriate delimiter.
Besides, even if one is truly an outsider, he or she must still work with the insiders.
I think what the average American wants--regardless of party or ideological bent--is a no-more-business-as-usual kind of candidate. Whether or not you agree, how would you assess the Obama-Biden ticket on such terms?
To me it seems we're going to get business as usual regardless of who wins.
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smithichie1 year, 3 months ago
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You are going to have your words come back to haunt you if Romney gets the nod from McCain. Romney referred to McCain as a pig during the primary as I recall.
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Picking someone who doesn't always agree with you sure takes quite a bit out of the argument that Obama is arrogant though.-
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Biden is a huge trap for McCain. A truly massive one. I'm just going to sit back and watch what happens... its going to be funny, I think. I was worried about Obama, but with his VP choice, he's proven himself to be an adept politician.
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cloud151 year, 3 months ago
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I don't know Mdiar, I think you're reading too much into this. I think one has to pick his VP on more than setting a trap for your opponent. Biden was a good pick IMO. It reinforced a lot of Obama's weak points such as foreign policy and inexperience. He just has to be careful that a seasoned vet like Biden doesn't overshadow him.
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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Biden as a pick is intelligent on many levels. It tends to neutralize the "who will he choose as his advisers?" argument because now we have an idea. Competent people. It helps on foreign policy, of course, because McCain's credentials on it are small compared to Biden's. It gets rid of anyone he fought a fierce primary battle with (Huckabee may be a decent choice now, at least to get the base), especially Romney (very harsh words there). I think it was basically to remove a serious consideration of Romney while filling in any Obama holes and weakening McCain's foreign policy argument significantly.
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cushi1 year, 3 months ago
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Not a worry. Obama has demonstrated his ability to hold his own in the political arena. Just ask Hillary! That is not meant as a slam, either. It's just pointing out that he was able to best a seasoned veteran who was the heir apparent, so people should not underestimate him.
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I think Senator Biden has truly come to admire Barack Obama for his strength of character and his political prowess and that he will gladly work beside him and not attempt to overshadow him. I think Biden believes Obama has earned his respect, fair and square, and he will, in turn, give him that respect and loyalty.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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You're probably right, Smith, about Romney being McCain's pick; however, if that DOES happen, I will simply point out like Sushi above that Romney had learned to "admire McCain's strength and character" and that it's not technically flip-flopping, but a sudden epiphany...
And see how that works out for you libs.....
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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"I'm going with Tom Ridge or Lieberman...both great choices for him...
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Of course, you think that, US....They're friggin liberals....It helps YOUR side....It won't bring the conservative base together, however and if McCain picks either one of these clowns for his VP, the race is over....
We will have a Socialist for a president....
But hey....If that works for YOU, US.....Why not ?
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creel1 year, 3 months ago
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Why would we trust Obama's judgement when he can't even remember where he lived for a few years while in college at Columbia in New York. He also, can't remember that he is not an African American but rather a White African American. Why does he hate his white side? Maybe he had a white affair while in Columbia and it left him wounded for life. Who did he follow to CHICAGO?
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automan9091 year, 3 months ago
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I am an un-hyphenated American and proud of it.
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Putting another country in front of America when you are not from there is an insult.
There are lots of white folks from Africa too you know.
It seems like a bad choice of words to identify only black folks as African Americans.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Why would we read a post that asks questions unworthy of a stranger in an alley offering us a bag of candy?
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Obama can remember exactly who he is; you, on the other hand, seem to be trying to forget.
Does Obama remind you of someone?
Who was the mysterious person you imagined Obama following to chicago? Was it you?
Do you want it to have been you?
Do you have a bag of candy?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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dilligaffudems ?:
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Dilligently befuddling them?
Dilli gaffs you dems?
Till I give a dam?
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knuckles881 year, 3 months ago
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obama is the devil if you vote for him you will regret it when your friends and nieghbors have to wear head scarves and pray to a false god he is a proven liar that voted in favor of killing live babies just wait youre next on his list
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knuckles881 year, 3 months ago
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maybe i got a little carried away with the devil comment but he did vote to kill live babies and its all on record here in ill not to mention his friendship with admitted terrorist bill airs?his white people hating pastor of twenty years?friendship and shady deals with tony rezko?also all on record here in illinois?
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Mdiar1 year, 3 months ago
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So, he voted to kill live babies? I think I know what you're referring too; on issues of abortion, I don't think its the governments business.
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On religion,well, frankly put most religions spew hate in some fashion. Many acceptable ones already spew hate at me.
Rezco has been pretty much debunked, I believe. He paid around market value.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/rezko_reality.html
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ind061 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, perhaps you got a little carried away.
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The president is a powerful man, but he does not have the power to force the entire nation to subscribe to any particular religion.
Even were Senator Obama a Moslem "mole" without the aid of some sort of magical device, perhaps a stick, or "wand" if you will with which to completely change reality as we know it, the president could not hope to even slightly influence your religious choices.
Luckily for us all, Barack Obama is not a wizard with a star covered pointy hat, nor is he a devil, nor will he be throwing baby killing parties on the White House lawn, nor will any of us be on his "list" since he does not have a "list", nor will this nation be utterly and completely destroyed if it elects a Democratic president even though Republicans have fortold such a fate for the past several elections.
I find your concerns to be overstated.
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freedom271 year, 3 months ago
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I think this guy is playing we all United States citizens. He didn’t pick the right or the wrong person he just want to tell to Americans that 911(Sept.11) is not complied, If he wins the White House this November the all United States citizens will be under Obama-bin under control and the (Sept. 11) attack is complied. The War is just staring. God bless America.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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An inability to express oneself in correct grammar, does not mean one is wrong; but it puts your ability to analyze a situation into doubt.
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When you combine bad grammar with babbling delusion, you get something special, - the right-wing-rave.
Post more. But type faster; the war is staring at us and we have no time for punctuation before the attack is complied.
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think at least Obama took the best of the old. I also think the two can provide each other with balance. Some of the best rock groups had members who didn't get along very well, but produced their best music as a result of having to work it out with each other.
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ppiittuu1 year, 3 months ago
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oh, you mean he was just kidding...
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we're back to the same-ol-same-ol, usual, don't pay too much attention to what i say, play-it-safe kind of politics...
thought so. NOT saying it's bad mind you, just that the ol' i'm-different went by the wayside when the tire-meets-the-road, when-the-fit-hits-the-shan...
oh sorry, bad habit with the ol' tired cliches...
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
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Not what I said ppiittuu. Incidentally, making a statement challenging someone you're debating and then in the next sentence saying "thought so" is a very cheap rhetorical trick. It doesn't speak well for you.
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Obama, if elected, will be the president. Biden will still only be in the position of providing support, alternate view points and presiding over the Senate. Cheney has shown, the Vice-Presidency is a powerful position if the President is weak. I don't think Obama is weak.-
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ppiittuu1 year, 3 months ago
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you miss my point Rat...
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so let me re-re-iterate...
obama was supposed to be a new kind of politician - supposedly like nothing we've seen before, who will bring hope & change. not part of the "inside," same ol' crowd.
and that new-kind-of-politician picks an insider-multi-term-politician.
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moski3881 year, 3 months ago
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This was an intellingent choice showing he had the interests of the country at heart since he chose someone who had the tools to round him out as in foreign policy..Once they start debating it will be obvious the choice was right..He also brings great strength with his knowledge of how the senate works from his many years there and all the contacts he has made.This may come on handy when it comes time to approach the body abour legislation...Even if it must start in the house it has to end in the senate.
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Now McCains Choice might make a difference as to whether it is a close race or whether Obama wins at all.We All must remember no matter whose side we are on how close the race is.McCain has some really good people on his short list if the internet is to be believed..others on the list for example Rudy Guiliani would just bring him down in my opinion. -
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potpolitics1 year, 3 months ago
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I have to concede 24 hrs later I do agree with Obama's choice
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My initial reactions was that I'm just feed up with all politicians in general
especially the CAREER ones.We need to get these hustlers out of there.
So the choice is made and I can see the logic in it. Next issue
Great work to the blogger where you can see her original post right here;
http://teasastips.com/2008/08/24/obama-biden-poll-what-say-you/
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Spadecaller1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't understand how anyone could even hope or expect Hillary to have been chosen after the scurlious manner in which she campaigned against Barrack. Her negative attack campaign was out of Karl Rove's play book and it has given the GOP a jump on their usual negative campaign.Should Obama lose the election because of these tactics, the majority of democrats and Obama supporters will never forgive her for her selfish, disloyal, shortsighted, and reprehensible conduct. As I see it, she put her personal ambitions clearly ahead of her nation's best interests. Some of us will not forget that.
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I think Biden was a good choice; as long as he keeps his remarks in check. He has the propensity to become a wind bag, which only turns people off. Otherwise, he can be a great asset.-
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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Hey, Spadecaller - if you haven't already, check out Biden's back trail-
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Leading force in the "War on Drugs" that has made the USA the number one imprisoner of its own citizens -
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He was the most enthusiastic democratic supporter of the 2005 legislation"overhauling" personal bankrupcy laws.
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Ratskii1 year, 3 months ago
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I saw a 2007 video of him (think Mdiar provided it) condemning the Bush administration on the war and urging that it be overturned and U.S. forces withdrawn.
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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Biden has since reversed his stance on the Iraq war. Remember, though, that he formerly was a staunch supporter of the Iraq war, so when he denounces it now, it is a matter of "he who smelt it dealt it."
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He was also gung ho for military involvement in the former Yugoslavia.
Really, give him a strung-out beer heiress and a touch of Alzheimers and he could be McCain.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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I still can't figure out why he picked an 'old' white guy? I thought the young progressives didn't like thoe types? If they go to two terms he'll be in his 70's. Shakes head with amusement at how things are always 'different' when Dems do them.
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musicguy2381 year, 3 months ago
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Joe Biden may be a good on forign policy, may be good on the stump, but his choice was a huge mistake from a marketing standpoint. Joe Biden violates Obama's brand message. He choice further takes away from the age issue, and finally his choice given Joe Biden's baggage makes his passing over Hillary Clinton and her 18 million supporters intenable.
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I wonder if this is an ego choice, or more troubling,, a choce that was made by the DNC who directed Obama. I cannot believe that if Obama was true to his message, instead of his aspirations that he would have violated his own nebulous "Change" brand in this manner -
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TheNewsseeker1 year, 3 months ago
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I believe, Mr. Biden was a nearly perfect choice. Being internationally experienced and a friend of John Mc. Cain, he takes the arguments from many undecided or Republican voters. Although it is true that the nomination of J. Biden could be called a "confession of deficits", the decision shows Obama´s flexibility and his will to learn and take advise.
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jadeona11 year, 3 months ago
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Sad to see that all the dems can come up with is mccain has 7 houses. His wifes family has money so what ... Is it a crime to be sucessful in america. Obama has a 1.5 million dollar mansion and made 4 million on his book deal this year. What say he about that when askesd .".I haven't always had all this money that was just this year that I made 4 million John Mccain has had this money for 30 years" . Sounds like sour grapes. Well John Mcain is older than you I think you'll be there soon.Oh I guess he doesn't want to make anymore next year. Hollywood money mogels, Warren Buffet and all the aleat on the dems side are out of touch. They want our taxes raised..we dont make the money theuy do and it is no skin off their nose to pay higher taxes but if I have to pay capital gains on my home it's a problem. Think Oprah or Buffet will give me some money to help out seeing they want me to pay more taxes. Vote Mcain at least I will maintain my standard of living.
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BB641 year, 3 months ago
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He's the messiah of change yet he's selected a Belt Line insider with a rather dubious track record. I suspect the McCain team had a party with this selection. Someone preaching change selects a guy built by lobbyist money. Yea right just another DNC don't do as I do, do as I tell you to do.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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With any luck, Biden will complement O.'s somewhat cool, cerebral style, adding fire and want to the mix, both of which are sorely needed, I think.
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Biden will also, of course, be able to sink his teeth into McCain in ways O. can't and shouldn't.....
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PoohBear93731 year, 3 months ago
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Personally I think this was the absolute worst possible choice OBAMA has made. As it was, when JOE BIDEN put his name in the mix to run for President this year, he showed very poorly in the support and received one of the least amount of votes in the various primaries. This alone should say how much confidence people have in him. By OBAMA choosing JOE BIDEN, he has handed the Presidency over to JOHN MC CAIN. I have heard many many people say that had he chosen SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON, that those people would have voted for OBAMA, but ONLY because of CLINTON. By choosing BIDEN, he has now chosen to ostracise many of the CLINTON SUPPORTERS and they in turn have advocated they will now give their Vote to MC CAIN. There will be MANY Democrats who will cross party lines when the General Election comes in November.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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I am incapable of arguing with someone named for Pooh Bear, WinnertherPooh, Edward Bear, Sir Winnie the Pooh.
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I must settle for pointing out that the vote will be for Obama, not for Biden. Obama has a very heavy tilt of support from women in this country already.
Like Kanga. Kanga loves Obama!
Although I hear Rabbit's friends and relatives are all Hillary supporters. Figures.
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atgt741 year, 3 months ago
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I think it's a great choice. I am from Delaware and I have a personal story concerning Senator Biden. Long ago when my family moved from Delaware from Pennsylvania my mother and step father were having a hard time to finding a place to live due to some discrimination. My parents called on Senator Biden and he helped them personally-he didn't have his staff send a letter he spoke to the landlord personally. My mother always told that story and since I am now and adult and have been able to vote-Senator Biden is my guy. He works so hard on domestic issues and he cares about everyday people. If you haven't heard of him before now do you homework and you'll be pleased... God Bless You All
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Lindan1 year, 3 months ago
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I am not voting for Obama and Biden.... I tell you why...
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Obama's name is too close to Osama Bin Laden.
Look....it gets eerier...
When he chose Biden as his running mate... Biden...I just froze... Osama bin Laden.
No thank you...
Fact: 9/11/2001....Flight #11, with 92 passengers (9+2 = 11) and 9 flight attendants and 2 pilots = 11.
Now we have this: Osama bin Laden = Obama and Biden.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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re-arrange those letters you get:
No Cain dies my hon jc
Obviously a divine message telling us to respect the mark of Cain; let him live but remember to honor JC as well by voting for Obama who rhymes with Mama and Mama stands for apple pie and that stands for America!
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