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Posted By Karlyc 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsObama supporters risibly complain that shining a light on the Obama/Ayers relationship is a “smear” and smacks of “guilt by association.” A presidential candidate’s choice to associate himself with an unrepentant terrorist would be highly relevant in any event — does anyone think the Obamedia would keep mum if John McCain had a long-standing relationship with David Duke or an abortion-clinic bomber?
But we are talking about more than a mere “association.”
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dandt16121 year, 4 months ago
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That is some good reading. Sounds like Obama is running the mob or some sort of strong arm organization. Obama CAN'T control everyone and how they think. He really should grow up and take it like a man and not try to strong arm everyone who doesn't care for him or disagrees with him. People are going to be sorry when they get to really know him. God help this country.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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I just wish someone would provide something besides INNUENDO when it comes to Obama's relationships.
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Obama has a relationship with Ayers, a prominent fixture in the Chicago's political scene and a professor no less. And...
There's the problem. No punchline.
I don't know where Cons get off. The Foxies have Oliver North on the payroll. Why don't they ostracize a guy who sold weapons to our enemies?
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Justice, I don't know what he's hiding, that's why it's being brought up in the media. If I had all the answers, I would not be here. If Obama would just come clean instead of trying to brush it under the rug as he did with Rev. Write or his deals with Rezco, I wouldn't have doubts like this. If Obama keeps campaigning as the candidate of change and that he practices a new style of politics, I would not have these questions. If Obama was more experienced and had more than three years in Washington behind him, I would not ask these questions. If Obama answered real questions about real issues facing the American people, I would not have these questions. Yes, I ask a lot of questions about the man who wants to lead us for the next four years, as our Commander in Chief while at the same time berates a man who served his time in a POW camp.
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As far as TNT's comment goes; I'm not digging, smearing, implying or making innuendo, I'm just looking for the answer that Obama is obviously hiding. The man is known for his lingustic skills, I'm sure he can come up with one, Now, if I believe him, that's another story.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Are you that anxious to see what happened to a man while incarcerated by one of our enemies. I suppose you want to see the video of American soldiers beheaded by Al Quida too? What do you think is in these files that you have to see so badly?
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NoWayMan1 year, 4 months ago
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obama's not trying to hide anything. downplay? sure. why wouldn't he? ayers isn't mother theresa (who supposedly personally counsels cindy mccain btw).
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AND...
$100,000,000 ?????
where'd you get that fantasy number?
in 2006, the woods fund handed out just over $3 million in grants.
I guess they're just sitting on that other $97 million, waiting for the right terrorist cell to apply for a grant.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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From the article itself:
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"The CAC was a major education reform project, proposed by Ayers, which was underwritten by a $49.2 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, complemented by another $100 million in private and public funding. The project ran for about five years, beginning in 1995. As the liberal researcher Steve Diamond has recounted, Ayers ran its operational arm, the “Chicago School Reform Collaborative.” Obama, then a 33-year-old, third-year associate at a small law firm, having no executive experience, was brought in to chair the board of directors, which oversaw all “fiscal matters."”
And it's more than just downplaying this, read this article. He's hiding something:
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/28/alert-obama-orders-followers-to-spike-critic/?comment=3431373#comment_3431373-
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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It's funny.
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People are asking when Obama quit beating his wife. And Obama is not taking it.
It's just too bad Obama isn't a poor black guy you can railroad through the court system, isn't, Cons?
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nostalgia1 year, 4 months ago
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In Obama’s own words, Ayers was "just a guy who lives in my neighborhood"
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Then what came to light:
Ayers hosted the campaign kickoff fundraiser for Obama's first State Senate run.
An ad comes out about the Obama-Ayers relationship. What does Obama do - complain to the FEC - NO
Complain to the FCC - NO
He sends a letter to the Justice Dept asking for the group that funded the ad to undergo a criminal investigation. Why would he do that? Intimidation plain and simple
Now it comes to light that they worked together on the CAC for several years
If Obama had been honest from the beginning, this wouldn't get very much press
It's what politicians never seem to learn - if they tell the truth from the beginning, it wouldn't blow up in their faces
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Sure, here's one link. BTW. It was Hillary that first aired the connection between Obama and Ayres. So much for the cons starting all the innuendo, huh? If you want more links, just let me know, I'll find them for you.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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Let's go to the appropriately named section:
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" THE SPIN:
Obama said Ayers is “a guy who lives in my neighborhood” and not someone who has endorsed him or talked to him regularly."
How is that IN CONTEXT, Cons? Do you even KNOW what the term means?
Why can't you provide something Obama said beyond the ONE QUOTE take out of context you keep latching onto, especially in the face of throwing out that Obama said he and Ayers are friendly.
Don't try to confuse us with facts, Cons, because you don't know how to pick them out.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Ok, that sounds fair to me. Let’s discuss another remark that Obama had about this subject.
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“The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense,”
Ayres is a few years older than Obama, of course, there no direct correlation there. But they did not meet 40 years ago, therefore, that makes this comment entirely moot. However, the values thing, maybe a person who is very motivated in rnning for political office should use better judgment in picking his friends. Maybe the good Reverend Wright introduced him to him. Actually, I think that Tony Rezko introduced them. As intelligent as Obama is, you think that he would know better, and should shy away from people like this. Yet, this connection “doesn’t make much sense” to him.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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"Ayres is a few years older than Obama, of course, there no direct correlation there. "
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Ayers born 1944.
Obama born 1961.
A few years older than Obama, Cons?
Again, your failure to obtain fundamental facts about the whole situation just goes to show that you are grasping at straws.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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How many banks has Keating shut down since him and McCain parted ways? Again, you're point is moot. All day you have been running off about coming up with facts, and yet, you just keep throwing the same spin on the original topic. McCain, nor any other republican has anything what so ever, to do with Obama and Ayres sitting on this board. What is Obama hiding that he needs to get the DoJ involved in? One simple answer, no more BS.
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GWHayduke1 year, 4 months ago
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http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/08/20/cindy-mccain-and-mother-teresa-so-what-really-happened/
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Its a joke - based on ANOTHER John McCain lie on his OWN website intended to heighten his/Cindy's stature with the fundies.
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jerry991 year, 4 months ago
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Obama has been a senator for one year and then two and a half years campaignigng for President. The only major legislation he has sponsored is the new United Nations sponsored "Poverty Act", where the "rich" nations give 0.7% of their GDP to "poor nations". This would be ~850 Billion Dollars over 12 yeras and Obama sponsored and supports it because most of the money woud go to his soul brothers in Africa.
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He learned well from Rev. Wright, who says that a limitless amount government grants are "owed" to blacks because of slavery
What a loser.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Cons, The punchline is, that Ayers blew up the Pentagon, and is proud of it. If you see Obama hanging with Al quada members in another 30 years, but they are all prominant fixtures in another corrupt political scene and/ or professors now, would that be ok with you? The mans a known terrorist, not a hero, mentor or good relationship to have for someone running for president.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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It's funny that Cons want to make such a big issue of what Ayers did decades ago, instead of focusing on what he does now, but then cry foul when it is pointed out that McLame ABANDONED his crippled first wife.
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Really, McLame ACTUALLY DID what he is indicted for.
However, Cons, the offer still stands - if you can find McLame's vows and they say, "in sickness or in health, unless she seriously gets f'ed up in a car accident", then I'll let it go.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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So, I guess you know that she has already spoken to the media, and that she fully supports him in all his pursuits, and that she takes partial blame for the breakup. We discussed this last week Con, it's a deadend, give it up already.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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They can't. This and a few other foolish things are all the ammunition that they have. While we are getting item after item about Obama. This drives them nuts. Therefore they have to flail away with the things that they have. Even if it is a lie.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/john-mcca...
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"'My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.'"
Sounds like she's taking plenty of the blame. McLame wanted a younger model, so he dumped his wife. Hey, it's what HEROES do.
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NoWayMan1 year, 4 months ago
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the writer of this piece says the Woods Fund is " a left-wing enterprise that distributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to their ideological allies."
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Now THATS funny. sounds like they're funding terrorist cells. talk about a statement that couldn't be further from the truth.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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When do you end? You have been repeating the same BS all day, don't you get tired of hearing yourself whine about something that you obviously don't understand to begin with? When will you come up with some actual facts instead of ratteling off about how "the cons are taking advantage of us". Now, go ahead and shoot some more of your usual sarcastic rhetoric about me or about the cons, lets see what kind of lame comment you scrape up this time.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 4 months ago
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"When do you end?"
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When Cons produce something of substances.
Thus, never.
("You have been repeating the same BS all day, don't you get tired of hearing yourself whine about something that you obviously don't understand to begin with?" Cons have been whining about this for much longer than a day. Heal yourselves or just ask Obama when he stopped beating his wife. LOL) -
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nostalgia1 year, 4 months ago
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The Obama campaign orchestrated this:
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"The campaign did, however, issue an “Obama Action Wire” that encouraged supporters to contact the program (telephone information was provided) and use scripted “talking points” to disrupt Kurtz’s appearance, which it deemed “unacceptable.” As the Politico’s Ben Smith reported, the campaign also urged supporters to demand that Rosenberg scrap the appearance of Kurtz, whom the campaign libeled as a “smear-merchant” and a “slimy character assassin.”
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crespi1 year, 4 months ago
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Kurtz is a Neocon who has pushed for the fusion of Church and State, fought against gay rights, and obstructed stem cell research. We won't even TALK about the jerks at the misnamed "ethics and public policy center..."
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Kurtz is only "respected" by ultra-conservatives, not by normal people.
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Georgia501 year, 4 months ago
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Kurtz may be the devil himself. So what? If O has been involved in a multi-million dollar boondoggle to turn public schools into indoctrination camps, then that needs to come out. And Obama has to bear the outcome if this turns out to be true.
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The WGN program invited the O campaign to send a spokesperson for an on-air rebuttal. They DECLINED and instead are attacking Kurtz and WGN.
If Kurtz' efforts turn up nothing, then good for Obama. He weathered another storm. If he doesn't like the heat, he can get out of the kitchen now. It doesn't get any cooler once he's in the Oval Office.-
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dandt16121 year, 4 months ago
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What's wrong with people doing some investigation? If there's nothing to hide than it shouldn't be any worry on Obama's mind.
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The only thing is, Obama is making this look very bad by having his attack groups going after anyone who MIGHT have something on him.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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What Kurtz is looking at is to fine document linking Obama to Ayres that show what kind of association they had. Also known before opening box 1 was the ethical problem of Ayres getting a grant of money from this organization. That will be looked into as well. Who authorized that.
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dwemm1 year, 4 months ago
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It seems, by this article, that if you run a radio call in show, and people call in to disagree, that qualifies as being "mobbed." It also hints that if a group of people disagree and peaceably call in their objections, one by one, that is somehow unethical. Man, if Propeller had that kind of rule, they'd have no members and less advertising revenue.
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nostalgia1 year, 4 months ago
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You aren't bothered by a political campaign orchestrating this "protesT"?
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Have you read this:
Obama camp blasts National Review writer as "slimy character assassin"
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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Turn the story around and what would you say?
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A liberal is slated to get on a talk show to discuss how great Obama is. A group of Republicans stir up a lot of people and give them talking points to call into the show. They try to smear this Obama person and have the show not air him. Then when the show airs the phone system lights up like never before and every caller just goes over the talking points. Call after call after call.
What would you be saying then. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Or would it be those hateful Conservatives are just smearing our man.
Why do I think it would be the latter.
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nostalgia1 year, 4 months ago
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If you are interested, here is the Final Technical Report on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge - Successes, Failures and Lessons for the Future
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vor1 year, 4 months ago
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Very good use of slander and insinuation in this article. So Obama is an anarchist? That IS what is suggested. Good! Anyone seeking to change the status quo that exists in Washington will need somehat of that quality. Somehow I doubt he is going to literally blow anything up! And UIC hired this guy! Some resume that must have been!
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Frankly I much prefer the actual words that come out of Obama's mouth rather than insinuations to determine his views. This is the Rights best hope. You have an old, uninspiring candidate and a Party that has essentially disgraced America in the eyers of the world for 8 years. In no way, shape, or form does this tripe have a chance of changing my vote! -
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Bkumm1 year, 4 months ago
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The Ayers smear is getting old. Look, there is no question that Senator Obama and William Ayers know each other. No one is denying that. They served on a board together (the Annenberg Foundation), worked in two separate parts of the Woods Fund and Ayers hosted a meet and greet for candidate Obama when he was running for state Senate. He also donated $200 to Obama's campaign.
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Now, none of these associations in any way suggest that Senator Obama looks to William Ayers as a mentor or counselor. Neither does it suggest that William Ayers is involved in Senator Obama's campaign. Also, Senator Obama has said repeatedly that Ayers is not someone with whom he "regularly speaks". So, based upon these facts, the only remaining conclusion is that what people like Kurtz are trying to do is build a case of guilt by association. There is no reliable information that leads us to the conclusion that Ayers and Obama are anything other than passing acquaintances.
On the other hand, since we are talking about associates of the candidates, Senator McCain associated closely with a convicted felon named Charles Keating. While Senator Obama has a passing acquaintance with a man who was once charged with a crime (the charges against Ayers were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct), Senator McCain was close friends with Keating who was convicted of fraud, racketeering and conspiracy. Senator McCain accepted campaign donations from Keating (and his associates) exceeding $100,000. They were close, personal friends with Senator McCain traveling in Keating's private jet, spending time at Keating's personal resort in the Bahamas and investing in enterprises that Keating had. Now, it's true that Senator McCain did eventually pay for these trips, but that was not until Keating ran into trouble with regulators.
So, which is worse? A passing acquaintance with whom there is little contact other than business and social circumstances or a close, personal friend who is a convicted felon and bilked thousands of people out of millions of dollars?
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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I can tell you what my fellow Christian Conservatives would say .... this is what they tell me ....
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"We Christian Conservatives, in our role of protectors of our Re-Interpreted Version of what Jesus taught ... believe that we commanded to vote for the candidate that will prolong the policies of:"
-- War ... (Christians REALLY support unending war!)
-- Lying to promote war
-- Keeping children from getting access to Health Care
-- Pollution ... we LOVE pollution AND protecting Polluters!
-- Global Warming Deniers ... Denying Global Warming is a Holy Sacrament!
-- Fighting AGAINST the GI Bill and Education for American Soldiers
-- Massive Deficit Spending on an unheard of scale
-- Refusal to talk to foreign leaders we don't fancy
-- Fire Attorneys General who don't prosecute Democrats on a whim
-- Hire Attorneys General who promise to pursue our partisan ideology
-- Protect Government employees who out CIA agents
-- Incompetence in handling national emergencies
-- Hand out Free Money to the Wealthy ... as a reward for being so rich
These are all things that my fellow Christian Conservatives cite as reasons to support the Neo-Conservative Movement ... and these items are what makes Christian Conservatives proud to be Christian.
Now, is it any wonder why Christian Conservatives voted for George W. Bush by like 92%?
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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The problem is what Obama said about his relationship with Ayres. "He's just a man living in my neighborhood." "We have a friendly relationship." Implying that they just wave at each other and chit chat when by chance they are at the same place. If he would have admitted it was more there would not be this hunt for what they really to each other.
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Obama brought this on himself. He also threw down the gauntlet in his acceptance speech. Now he has to live with what he said.
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Bkumm1 year, 4 months ago
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Hey, that's cool. Keep bringing up Ayers and we'll keep bringing up Keating. I'm pretty sure a guy who was convicted of plundering Lincoln Savings and Loan and bilking people (especially older people) out of millions trumps a guy who hasn't been convicted of anything and never hurt anyone.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Bkumm, I'm sorry, but I need to disagree with you here. This was also discussed already last week. This is the link to the WikiPedia explaination of the Keating Five. I usually don't like to use Wiki as a source, but in this case it is probably the most unbiased source. The web is full of biased articles about this subject from both sides.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
Turns out that McCain didn't like what was going down with this deal and walked away. It is true that he and Keating were personal friends before this, but I think it's safe to say that they're not any more. BTW, McCain was the only Republican involved with this, the other four were all Dems.-
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Bkumm1 year, 4 months ago
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I appreciate your reasonable tone.
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Do you think that Senator Obama ever considered William Ayers a close personal friend? I don't. But, I'll bet you that he doesn't associate with him anymore either.
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Well, no there is a difference here. John McCain knew something was shady in this deal. He bailed, later, when he was investigated, his name was obviously brought up; he was cleared of any wrong doing. Basically, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The investigation showed that he didn't want anything to do with this mess. This is all common knowledge. When I seen your earlier comment, all I did was run a search on "The Keating Five". The WikiPedia came up first out of like 62,000,000,001 results. The web is full of political stories right now with being so close to the election.
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Where I'm seeing the difference in the Obama/ Ayres situation, is nobody really knows what happened yet. If these papers were released and were to become public knowledge, the press might lighten up on the story if they see no wrong doing, just like the media is not paying attention to the Keating Five. But Obamas' camp seem to be doing everything possible to hide the this story. Obama should realize this. Normally he is confidant enough to play down a negative story that surfaces about him. Why does he feel this one has to stay under wraps? And why go to the DoJ instead of the FEC? Maybe it's that bad that he needs a headstart on his defense.
As far as being close personal friends, I think it was more a close business relationship, like between a business owner and a long time vendor. They each needed something from one another. I don't think they were all buddy- buddy, hanging out by the pool drinking a beer on Saturday afternoon type of thing; not close personal friends at all.
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Wolfie20071 year, 4 months ago
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Come on bring it up and have some of your liberal drive by media research it and then look stupid. Btw, the liberal democrat senator and former astronaut John Glenn was involved in Keating up to his neck . That would be another good topic to discuss.-
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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Interesting casual association between OBama and Ayers:
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FTA:
As he has made clear several times before and after helping to launch Obama’s political career, Ayers remains defiantly proud of bombing the Pentagon, the U.S. Capitol, and other targets.
Ayers and Obama have made joint appearances together; they have argued together for “reforms” of the criminal justice system to make it more criminal-friendly; Obama gushed with praise for Ayers’ 1997 polemical book on the Chicago courts; and they sat together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund, a left-wing enterprise that distributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to their ideological allies. Most significant, they worked closely together on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC).
The CAC was a major education reform project, proposed by Ayers, which was underwritten by a $49.2 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, complemented by another $100 million in private and public funding. The project ran for about five years, beginning in 1995. As the liberal researcher Steve Diamond has recounted, Ayers ran its operational arm, the “Chicago School Reform Collaborative.” Obama, then a 33-year-old, third-year associate at a small law firm, having no executive experience, was brought in to chair the board of directors, which oversaw all “fiscal matters.”
Can you disprove the author's line of reasoning that OBama and Ayers had more than a casual personal or political relationship?
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TonyByron1 year, 4 months ago
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Good find Karlyc. This brings to light again the Obama campaign's efforts to divorce him from his radical mentors who helped him to his present position. Obama simply can not refute his past associations. They made him who he is today. He can claim all he wants that he is post-racial, post partisan or post-toasties, the fact remains that he was incubated in a far-left and racist group of anti-American mentors.
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He is not a victim of unfair attack he is a victim of his own recent, personal choices of friends and benefactors.
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lloydm651 year, 4 months ago
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Go to the Washing Post : type in Mischell Obama /hospital.She steers most of the poor patients to other hospitals to keep most of the tax money for other uses.The hospital gets six times more federal funds than is spent on poor,and unisured
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icono11 year, 4 months ago
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FTA;
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"Kurtz has obviously hit a nerve. It is the same nerve hit by the American Issues Project, whose television ad calling for examination of the Obama/Ayers relationship has prompted the Obama campaign to demand that the Justice Department begin a criminal investigation. "
Comrade OBama & followers is already attempting to use the legal branch of the Govt to muzzle political dissent.
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trez_501 year, 4 months ago
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
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Please, Consider the source! First, the article is an editorial written by the editors of National Review, a conservative magazine.
Their interests are to hunt for anything they can to throw at Obama. This is what they live for. This article boils down to NOTHING… it’s just their opinion. Holding some vague truths and built into twisters. It’s their art.
When it comes down to it… everybody knows it’s just fluff. It pans out to be just that…
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trez_501 year, 3 months ago
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No corl64,
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Read carefully, I've voted for Rep. and for Dem. in my life. but I know the difference when one side wants to just smear the other.
Guess what, I've had to work with folks I didn't like because of the political baggage they carry, - but don't assume I'm like them or even remotely care for their personal agenda.
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