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rskaleski1 year, 2 months ago
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Jon Voight's opinion is like anyone's opinion .... let's all think for ourselves. The Republicans sure looked weird at the convention, didn't they? Sure, they love their country, but the fundamental difference is that Democrats place a higher value on the human condition. The gap between the have and have-nots keeps growing.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Dcky, aren't you one of those people who likes to claim that all Democrats are on welfare? I think you're one of those people, Dcky. Why do you say things that you know I will catch you contradicting five minutes later in another thread, Dcky? Why do you do this when you know I can see right through cons as clearly as Larry Craig sees through a crack in an airport restroom stall, Dcky?
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mrtwill31 year, 2 months ago
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Who are the have and have nots? The inner city kids wearing $150.00 Nikes or wearing gold necklaces? The gap is between who wants to get educated and who does not. I am pretty surprised about how liberals are always espousing Darwinism and yet always whining about who has and has not. Is that not survival of the fittest? My father side of my family was coal miners and mothers were share croppers and I was not born with silver spoon-They pushed me through school and now I thank them. If people, not the GOVERMENT, took more responsibility then there would be less have nots. Quit your freaking whining-
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KaliCal1 year, 2 months ago
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It's very obvious that you are White, and I just think it's a shame that you somehow equate 150.00 Nikes and gold chain worn frequently by Black to 4,000.00 suits or 1,000.00 shoes worn by whites and funny you did'nt mention that. Or how much money they spend on food and boose, I know because I've seen them in the stores myself and I'm Black, I witness just how much money they spend it's my job to know. Actually White people spend more money on clothes than Black do. So, the mere fact that you mentions money shows that the education you received was a waste of your parents hard earn money, because you really have not learn anything. Last time I check Whites own more tennis shoes than Black and Diamonds, Gold, Boats, Houses, Cars, Jewery, etc. the list can go on but I'm sure you get the point. And furthermore your parent were not the first to be share croppers or coal miners, go back to the History Books. When you make a comment you need to be able to back what you say or simply don't say what cannot be proven, but college student know that.
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mrtwill31 year, 2 months ago
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Yes I am white and my wife is black and was educated at Georgetown. Her father was in Air Force and is now retired. He came from Oklahoma and his parents were farmers. We have two children and they go to private school. We decided to enroll them in private school because of people like yourself called my wife "a white wanna be" because she spoke well and did well in school. We did not want our kids to end up with the kind of people like you.
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As for history: Ask yourself this; why were there more black entrepreneurs from 1920-1950's? Was it because of the Johnson Great Society bill when the government made it easier for blacks to have babies and get paid than to go out and either get educated or work hard to make a living?-
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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Was there an Oprah Winfrey in the 20's to 50's? Was there a Michael Jordan or a Barack Obama?? Out of all those entrepreneurs, how many were millionaires? How many still had to drink out of a coloreds only drinking fountain or ride in the back of a bus. How many were called derogatory names and excluded from most social circles? If it wasn't for Johnson it might still not even be acceptable in this society for you to have a black wife. She'd be your mistress.
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mrtwill31 year, 2 months ago
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Please get your history correct. It was not the democant's who help blacks with obtaining God, YES GOD, given rights, it was RepubliCANS. The liberal icon Al Gores father for one opposed the Civil Rights Act and termed the word "NEOCON' for democant’s who opposed the bill. Jim Crow was enacted by democant's. Richard Nixon was the first WHITE governor to be a supporter of the NAACP. Black Americans have been duped into believing democant's help them. Of course Adolph Hitler once said if you tell a lie enough the people will believe to be true.
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Speaking of Hitler, Obama's rally remind me of the rallies that were held in Berlin in the 1930's/ Oh wait Obama did hold one there...Huh kind of ironic since both have/had socialist leanings!-
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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There was a mass exodus to the Republican party by whitesafter the civil rights act was passed. Blacks joined the Democratic party in droves. It was the party of Kennedy. That's why ever since then, the Democratic party enjoyed the majority of votes from blacks in America. Your history fails to take note of that fact. The Democrats of the 60's are the Republicans of today. Johnson was well aware that he would lose the South by passing the bill.
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stevejrhumpsmen1 year, 2 months ago
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I think that you are the racist, unfortunately. The person you replied to NEVER mentioned race NOR did they say what race they are. Where in the history books does it state that "white people" buy more materialistic things than "black people"? And you state that it's "your job to know" what people spend- do you work for one outlet? Several? An advertising firm? You never clarified your qualifications on being an expert or at least well schooled. Your statement of "When you make a comment you need to be able to back what you say or simply don't say what cannot be proven" automatically makes you a hypocrite for your reply because you didn't back up anything you said either. And FYI, (since race is obviously an important factor for you) I'm Native American.
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mrtwill31 year, 2 months ago
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Oh one last thing; maybe just maybe those white people in the suits and shoes have really good jobs and that perhaps that it is their money that they earned from those jobs to buy those nice things...Hmmm? I am also sure that those people do not live in the "Ghetto" and I use that loosely because I do not believe they are the same as the Ghetto's of Poland where times were really horrendous. I was in Suitland, Maryland a couple of years ago getting a Coke and as I walked in I saw the beautiful Lexus 400SC with 45 day tags; I went in and the black lady in front of me paid for some food with food stamps and as she walked out I looked at her, because she was attractive, she got into the Lexus and drove off. How many people in the inner city drive nice cars and yet complain they have no food are live in s*** holes. Huh?
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Exactly...The GOP is just chockfull of good hard-working people like Monica Goodling who was part of Bush's affirmative action program for disadvantaged white kids from the lowest rated law school in the country (thanks for that, Pat Robertson).
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spiritwindcr1 year, 2 months ago
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man you called it right if more people stood up and told it like it is then the world would be a better place and people like you who use their brain could bring America back on top where we belong but most folks go along with the crowd rather than stand up for whats right, here is to more real Americans like you and hoping our country gets back to people using their God given brains and put our country on top where it belongs.
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DemsRDum1 year, 2 months ago
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Son, You've been watching way to much liberal brain washing TV. I'm a poor man earning my own way in this life. The only thing I've ever seen a Libadem do is take more of my money. If you want more of your money taken, please vote for that IDIOT Obama. Also some advise for ya. Don't BREED whatever ya do, we don't need anymore village idiots.
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okokok1 year, 2 months ago
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Jeeeeeeez! What planet are you from? Liberals taking more of your money???? Give me a break. Look at the money-grubbing party that you're affiliated with - they're MUCH worse...
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And, at least Democrats know how to spell "moron". And "goverNment."-
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obamasucks1 year, 2 months ago
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i feel for those in the US military who are putting their lives at risk to defend these sorry no-nothing hippie protesters from the husseins and putins of the world every fvckin day. go smoke weed and play ur banjos and complain about big business on ur own terms. and quit making asses out of urselves on national television by polluting st paul with all ur ********. ur not making a difference so stop.
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unfortunately i have a feeling conservatives are outnumbered by these cockroaches and obama will take office. in which case all my hard earned money will go straight to the hands of inner city scum who didnt do jack to earn it. obamas friends w Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who wants us all to die, and ahmadinejad is friends w putin who wants to take over the world. aka we will be fvcked-
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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"i feel for those in the US military who are putting their lives at risk to defend these sorry no-nothing hippie protesters from the husseins and putins of the world every fvckin day."
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--Why do you feel for them? What are you and your family and friends sacrficing while others die and who are you to judge anyone? -
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Dcky, "elitist" is kind of a big word with more syllables than most cons usually use. Are you sure you know what it means? If you don't maybe you shouldn't "ROTFLMAO" so much because it could be embarrassing when you find out you have no idea what you're laughing about. Are you listening, Dcky? Do you really want to look like a fool on top of lending the distinct impression that you're unbelievably poorly educated? I don't think you want to do that, Dcky. At least I hope not. I could be wrong. But I don't think I am. ;-(
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fodeldink1 year, 2 months ago
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Yea, you Republicans already have your village idiots, or should I say worldwide idiots (Bush and Chaney)
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Also, I think John Voights comments on socialism is rediculous. Simply because Obama believes in givng the citizens of America National Healthcare like every other civilized country (that are DEMOCRACIES) in the world.
Republicans believe everything they are told by their conservative politicians. The conservatives call a National Healthcare system part of a Socialist agenda because they dont want to lose the huge campaign contributions and probably under the table bribe money the big pharmacutical co's. give them. -
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nikipatrol1 year, 2 months ago
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I totally agree with you. I don't understand why despite our (people in the U.S) technological advances, people are still so hung up on race issues? It is about time that we socially evolve past that and realize that the group of people (as a whole) that is really screwed in this country is the Middle Class, whether you are White, Black, Hispanic, Native American or ******* martian you are being taxed to death. I am Hispanic and I had to drown myself in debt (courtesy of graduate student loans) to be able to have a nice job and earn a decent living. I get taxed about $30k a year and the goverment still has the audacity to tell me I owe taxes at the end of the year. What I have left barely covers for all the bills, and my mortgage size student loan. And since I am not rich, I don't qualify for all the exemptions the rich get, and since I don't have children I don't get the credits that a person with several children and that is on welfare would. So I am screwed!!!!! So am I a Have or a Have not???
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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I was a have not. Grew up in a single wide trailer, got free lunches, and my parents were on welfare a couple of times when needed, BUT this is still America land of opportunity! I worked full time and paid my way through college. Did it suck working 8 hours a day, getting off with barely enough time to eat dinner before going to class from 6-9, going home and doing homework 'til I couldn't keep my eyes open, then getting up and doing it again. You bet! It was the pits, but it was worth every sleepless night, every bill collection call, and every moment of stress. I now live a comfortable life in my two story home, paying for my own health insurance because we're self employed and getting sick of paying taxes to support the have nots who aren't willing to sacrifice and work hard enough to become one of the haves.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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ruey1 year, 2 months ago
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The difference is, His parents used it as it should be used. Welfare should be there to help people get back on their feet. Not to enable people to be LAZY baby-making free loaders. Poor pity me!!! Mrtwill3 is right on! Americans are a bunch of whiners! I sat next to a man on an airplane last week who was origanally from Jordan. He kept telling me that Americans don't know how good they have it and he thanks his lucky stars everyday for the opportunity to live and raise his children in this wonderful country. You think it's so bad here? Travel a little bit. You'll change your tune.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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DropkickaLib1 year, 2 months ago
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There are generations of people raised to be dependent on public assistance. My wife's family is an example. Her Mom told us when our son was born, "Isn't it too bad that you don't qualify for WIC?" I told my wife later, "What your Mom doesn't realize is that people who work are paying for all that free public assistance money that your Mom mentioned."
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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Not any more. That may have been the case 20 or 30 years ago, but the rules for welfare and assistance have become quite tougher since the Clinton presidency in the 90's. It's a lot harder to milk the system for life than it was then.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 2 months ago
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You're telling me this, as much of a DNC megaphone as you are? Do a web search and you'll see that states have avoiding the enforcement of the 5 year lifetime limit. You should do more than simply look at the welfare reform legislation as it was originally passed.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Why do you say this, Dcky? The world was a lot less violent a place when we weren't invading multiple countries simultaneously and making life hellish for our allies by dragging them along to help us fight illegal wars. When Bill Clinton was President, gas was way cheaper too, the economy was way better, we had more jobs, we weren't afraid of being poisoned by our food supply, we weren't worried that our kids would be maimed or killed by toys or poisoned by lead, we didn't fear that bridges would fall out from under our cars when we drove over them and we had a President who didn't thoroughly embarrass us every where he went. What happened, Dcky? How did things go so horribly wrong such that we're in the hellhole that is the US today? How did we get to this ugly, dark, horrifying place that smells like a septic tank no one wants to visit? ;-(
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nivek481 year, 2 months ago
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Sure you can markmawn2, just head toward Canada and turn right, eventually you will hit Europe, and France is just a "tail between the legs" retreat from there.
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It's a__holes like you that make dying on a battlefield for your freedom a waste of human life. Your type does not think anything is worth fighting for. Freedom is not free!-
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Why should we leave our country when scarcely anyone is willing to fight for the war being pimped by you and those you support? Are you posting from a foxhole? Is your family all there with you? Or are you here at home in the safety of your house praying that McCain gets elected so you get more tax cuts and cruise through the rest of your life believing that happiness is a cheap tank of gas? Exactly...You're not sacrificing squat so stop accusing other people of being un-American and ordering them to leave their country. Shame on you. ;-(
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nikipatrol1 year, 2 months ago
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I know how you feel......the amount of money that has been spent on this war blows my mind!!!! All that money could have been spent here on numerous things like alternative fuel sources..etc....Now thanks to this war many have lost their jobs, their homes and we still depend on oil just as much. How much more money do we need to spend? I think now should be pay back time...they should pay back all that had been spent in their country.
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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I'm not opposed to helping people in need; I think we should help when they're down. I'm opposed to people living off the system and becoming dependent upon it for their financial security. I live in a state where that is the bulk of our welfare system. That's not helping them; it ensures they'll always be the have nots and teaches them not to do for themselves because the government will do it for them. The governement can help, but it shouldn't replace personal responsibility for oneself and, sadly, that's what it's become.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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"I now live a comfortable life in my two story home, paying for my own health insurance because we're self employed and getting sick of paying taxes to support the have nots who aren't willing to sacrifice and work hard enough to become one of the haves."
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That was your quote. I didn't change any thing. What if the people back then when your parents applied for welfare had the same attitude? What if they told them "tough luck, go get a job." Would the chances that you someday would have become a useful member of society have been in jeopardy? Think about it. Everyone needs a little help now and then. What's angers me is whaen people feel that they have reached the level where they think that helping others less fortunate is not an option. I call these people ungrateful and greedy. Rather than help people get jobs and help people try to get back on their feet, some only worry about their taxes increasing. They care little more than for themselves.-
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mikebroemsen1 year, 2 months ago
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kudos to you and shame on anyone else pretending that they would know your entier life circumstances based on 1 paragraph you have written on propeller...lol..its idiotic.....these libs cant see past their own noses...and the funny thing...their noses are always buried into everyone else's business...and thats what were talking about here...if more people would just wake and realize its no on else's responsibility to make sure that you have health care..the constitution doesnt guarantee healthcare...it doesnt guarantee food, it doesnt guarantee lots of money...it guarantees our right to persue those things....but certainly, no one is going to do it for you!!! if you arent happy with your life and what you have get up off your asses and do something about it...its that simple
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't have a problem paying taxes or even seeing them increase; I have a problem with how the money is spent. My parents used welfare as it was intended, until they got back on their feet. In fact in my reply I agreed that we should help others; that doesn't change the fact that the governments way of "help" isn't help at all. It's a system designed to keep people in poverty and on the system to ensure they'll continue to get that person's vote and stay in power. That's not help, that's an abuse of power. That's not helping the people get jobs and experience the pride of providing for their family, and it sure isn't closing the gap between the haves and have nots. The government's solution...more programs and dependency on the government! It's not help, it's politics.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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To call helping those in need in this country, politics. To call helping those in need in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of 12 billion dollars a month is called the "war on terror". The terror is being inflicted on the needy of this country. That's the real terror.
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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WV is a very poor state. A lot of families suffer from disease as a result of the coal mining chemical cesspools left behind that seep into the groundwater. Most jobs there are service jobs and hardly allow a family to make ends meet. I'm not saying that everyone who's needy is getting helped and I'm not saying that everyone that's being helped is needy, but I'd rather spend a dollar here on my fellow Americans, than a penny in Iraq.
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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I live in DE. Our genius government thought they would reduce the nurse shortage by forcing our system abusers to become nurses. It's been lovely for our medical field. Someone who didn't want to be a nurse, begrudges it because they were forced into it, is exactly the type of person I want caring for me in the hospital or sticking me with needles! I think you hit the nail on the head...it's the bureaucracy that's ruined what was intended to be a good thing. Then they make it worse by trying to make it better. Will the madness never cease!? LOL
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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The problem is that those who say the charming things you do are often totally oblivious of or dismissive of all the welfare dollars that go to those who are not only not needy but downright wealthy. Cons seem to know when they're being "bilked" by the poor but either don't care or aren't aware of how their tax dollars support those people and institutions that are in no way needy.
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Take the war in Iraq (or just defense in general)...Do you scan the headlines every day looking for instances of waste, fraud and abuse of your tax dollars when it comes to the military? Do you cluck your teeth, wring your hands, furrow your brow and just generally behave in a spastic manner when you hear that your tax dollars are being soent on wealthy people who don't deserve it? I strongly suspect you do not. I've never seen one single con here question military expenses and I find this deeply troubling.
I think it's wonderful that you're all for personal responsibility but what we really need for those on the right to do is ask themselves why they insist on defining "welfare" so narrowly and why they're convinced no one realizes they're doing this. ;-(
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bigjames1 year, 2 months ago
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I have worked hard all my life never wason welfare nor were any of my family members.My taxes paid for your family to survive,but I am not bitter you are a hypocrite you take but dont want to give anyhing back yes I am sick of people who wont work but not evertone on welfare is a cheat.
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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Perhaps you should read my reply to jovial. I'm not opposed to helping people, I'm opposed to supporting people. Everyone needs help sometimes, but our government has a way of creating an entitlement mentality that doesn't benefit the people they propose to "help".
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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Face it, some people will never be able to become productive. It could be disease or mental retardation or a number of other maladies. I don't think that anyone should abuse the system either, but a few high profile cases have given way to drastic cuts. Cuts that affected those that really needed it. Everytime they need to cut the budget, entitlement programs are the first one eyed for cuts. No one thinks of the actual implications, because these people(the poor) generally have little influence. Why are we spending 10 billion a month to rebuild Iraq, and at the same time angry about a mother that sold her food stamps to buy gas for her car?
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davidsyka1 year, 2 months ago
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AMERICAN GIRL is right. Many of us were have nots, and I am one of them. I grew up in a family of six children, but my parents taught us to work and obey the laws. I never wore gold chains or diamond earings as a man, I never had time to use drugs or get arrested or end up with bad credit, I was too busy working and educating myself at my own expense. Today at 70, I have a beautiful home, spend my summers in New England and my winters in Florida. I don't know what the inside of a jail or prison look like. I didn't have time to commit crimes, I was too busy working sometimes two jobs. I didn't have money for drugs, I spent my money on my education and later on raising my son to be a good productive member of sociaty. I am by my choice, a winner.
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markmawn21 year, 2 months ago
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Glad your happy. You were living in a different time, which peaked in the 70's. After the 80's things changed and the working class took the biggest hit. For a kid today graduating to have the same opportunity without the option of bankruptcy or other protections, or even the number of grants available for working class parents, is the lowest ever. Well to do parents can give their kids a leg up, but in today's climate of fast money, selling coke and marijuana, or their images on the internet is more attractive than working hard at a fast food restaurant. "Winning" has a new meaning today. Those who die with the most stuff wins? Or how about those who rack up the most debt wins!
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I do not ever want to use assistance. My grandfather was a proud Dust Bowl survivor who farmed himself into retirement, yet was never complaining about the assistance he received to keep his family alive. Once he got above water, he was better for it, and the country became ripe for opportunity again. All the later generations have is the debt they will inherit, without the opportunities to earn enough to pay off thier own.
Peace be with you.
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zsa-zsa1 year, 2 months ago
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THIS IS A GREAT FORUM. Freedom of speech is what it is all about. If you knew the sociological, economic, and emotional consequences of socialism in Scandinavia, you would tell the world to vote for McCain/Palin. In Denmark the tax for an automobile is almost 100% of the cost of the car! Lazy creeps have migrated to Denmark and France to get on the social system, protesting to change their laws to suit their own religious principles. Know people by who they know - birds of a feather is a truism. Voight is a champ because he was brave enough to speak his mind. Cheers! Mr. Voight. You are a tough guy.
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tatadjuls1 year, 2 months ago
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"...but the fundamental difference is that Democrats place a higher value on the human condition. The gap between the have and have-nots keeps growing"
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Really?? Democrats place a higher value on the "human condition?" I know you're probably talking about $$$ right now, and economy, but what about the unborn human condition. I don't see them placing a very high value on that!
I'm a "have not" to tell you the truth. But I can't place everything that's wrong with our country right now all on the George Bush's shoulders. He does have a House that he has to answer to. People seem to think he makes all the decisions on his own. NO, I don't like how things are going right now. But I can't bring myself to vote for someone like Obama either. His wife scares the poop out of me! I believe she has something "up her sleeve" and this will not end well if Obama get into the White House. There's just something about her..............I feel it!-
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mrtwill31 year, 2 months ago
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Tatadjuls; if you want to **** a lib off, tell them you do not care about abortions because you would rather not pay taxes for the bastard child in the future. I do that all the time and they get so ****** they turn red. Frankly I am against abortions-I am for responsibility just like Bristol Palin has decided to do with hers.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 2 months ago
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Let's hope that she doesn't act like a true Dem and have another kid for whom she's not prepared. So you have a crystal ball. The left is apparently clairvoyant regardin the future in addition to being all wise when it comes to spending my paycheck.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Don't go there when you support us bombing babies (born and unborn) left and right in other countries. Don't even go there. You people are out of control. You want to but into someone's life on behalf of the unborn but when the child has no health insurance you cry about socialism. Providing health insurance to all children is no more socialist than when abortion cultists butt into the lives of total strangers and force them to have children before they're ready to. How blind do you think people are that they can see your extreme hypocrisy? We see through you cons because you're as clear as glass.
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rmomshannon7291 year, 2 months ago
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A higher value on the human condition? What kind of psycho-babble is that? In English, are you attempting to say that Democrats have the market cornered on empathy for the trials and tribulations of American families? If that is what you are trying to say, the ignorance of that statement would be laughable if you weren't serious!!
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nivek481 year, 2 months ago
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much of the gap between the have and have- nots is directly related to the work and work- nots. Sure the economy is in trouble due to the mortgage fiasco (brought on by greedy banks loaning money to folks who bought over their heads), and to the foreign oil hostage situation we are in. The smoke and mirror plan to tax add taxes to businesses, so funds can be given to lower income people is a sham. If you really have the best interest of the people, get the congress and other overpaid politicians to take a voluntary reduction in their pay, and send that to the poor and downtrodden you pretend to care so much about.
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BTW, where was the Dem party hiding during the latest New Orleans storm? I did not see one news piece of any Dems volunteering like the Republicans did. Could it be they were too busy laughing that the Republicans decided to postpone the convention?
Bottom line, it's time to get rid of all the self serving lawyers!
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BKLYNBROAD1 year, 2 months ago
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John Voight is a schmuck!
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Palin may be a tough-talking and yet maternal woman, but the issue is she's still on the WRONG side of the issues. That's what everyone seems to be losing sight of with all the hoopla about her kids, etc. Also, she's a Governor who's under investigation for abuse of power. Realistically, why would one of her staffers try to intimidate the head of the Troopers to fire Palin's ex-brother-in-law if he wasn't asked to do so by Palin??? Let's not forget that if John McCain is elected (God forbid) and IF he survives his term in office, he'll reverse Roe vs. Wade and reinstate the draft, among other things....not to mention probably getting us into war with Russia. It should be totally obvious that he's pandering to the Evangelicals. He's running scared of Obama and is willing, at this point, to do anything or pick anyone he thinks will get him elected...AND...how many faces of color did you see in the convention hall last night? I counted about 5 or 6. What does that say about the Repuglican party???
People, put on your thinking caps and wake up to reality. Don't be fooled by all the hype. McCain may have been a war hero, but he's as intellectually bereft as George Bush. This country needs a President with a brain. We haven't had one since Bill Clinton and are long overdue. As far as Joe Lieberman is concerned, he's a closet Repuglican and should be shot with s--t and put in jail for stinking! If I were him, I'd bring a food taster with me when I return to the Senate.-
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buonefortune1 year, 2 months ago
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Well written....Why is John McCain a war hero...because his plane was shot down in action? Remember, he broke down in questioning by the enemy at the time and gave in to answering all there untrue created remarks for McCain. He did this to save himself from torture. Hundreds of other american captives did not give in and absorbed the brutality. NOW THEY WERE HERO'S....JOHN MCCAIN WAS NOT.....A COWARD YES...A HERO..NO WAY!
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lender19981 year, 2 months ago
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buonefortune..so your view is that John MaCain is a coward because he served his country; spent 5 years in a 4x6 cell in absolute squalor; was beaten mercilessly on a daily basis ;and refused to leave prison early because it wasn't fair to others. What could your definition of bravery possibly be??
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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That's just his account of the story. There are many veterans out there that differ with this account. I think it was never investigated, because he was the son of an admiral. Do a google search on "McCain" "against" "veterans" and start reading.
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skilli1 year, 2 months ago
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I do njot know who is less informed, Jovial or Buonefortune. First, McCain cannot raise his arms above his head because of the amount of torture he endured at the hands of his RVN captors. As for being investigated, I was a member of the Operqation Homecoming Defriefing team, and we were all ordered to forget wear crimes, so even if he had said something, which he did not, he would not have been investigated. The ONLY ones who were investigated were those who gave aid and comfort to the enemy, and they were in a distinct minority, much to the credit of those who served in the US Military.
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American_girl1 year, 2 months ago
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This is the account of the conditions according to his cell mate. I'm not a John McCain fan politically, but I can't deny he's a hero that loves America.
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/08/mccains-fo...-
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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http://www.usvetdsp.com/may08/day_bud_moh.htm
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mikebroemsen1 year, 2 months ago
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mccain was TORTURED..and you are wrong about him giving up the information....he didnt so thats a flat out lie.....as a matter of fact, he was offered a deal to be released and chose to stay because there were other pows that had been there longer.....i daare say you would do the same in his situation so bugger off
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yitzhak1 year, 2 months ago
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Really, and where did you get this documented information. Please show us where you got this from, because I have heard otherwise. I am thinking that you are speaking off the top of your head (& i am being nice) like a true lefty demo. Where were you in vietnam? or the gulf war or Iraq for that matter. You did serve your country? right?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 2 months ago
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How dare Jon Voight actually think for himself instead of goose stepping like the other Hollywood lemmings who can't genuflect enough to the cardboard messiah. Advocating the death of one of the few Democlowns who's willing to think for himself. Stylish. This country needs to stay away from socialism.
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prunellabooks1 year, 2 months ago
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Perhaps you're too young to remember, but there was a real gas shortage crisis in 1973...cars were lined up for blocks, and our economy almost came to a halt. Every president since then has known we were facing an oil shortage dilemma but none of them addressed the issue, as it was a political hot potato that they avoided...caring more about public opinion than the future of our nation. Please read the comments of capecoralim below, and start thinking...really thinking. You sound bright...but are seeing the glitz, not the substance, perhaps.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Thanks, I thought you were fairly intelligent too--right up until you endorsed cape as a voice of reason. Not good. In any event, what every American has known is that EVERY time there is conflict in that region, oil prices spike dramatically 1973 oil embargo, Iraq Iran war, Kuwait invasion, etc. That's why I find it stunning that those on the right have forgotten modern history and insist on blaming this so called "shortage" on Democrats. If you destabilize oil rich regions, the price of gas will go UP. That's always happened and why cons are pretending any different is beyond me.
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Let's be clear. I don't trust Republicans at all. I think they're greedy and self-serving and will lie to get a tax cut and to have a cheap tank of gas. Cons are not reasonable or logical and they are constantly proving this. You believe that Republicans have screwed you over for cheap labor yet you find it hard to conceive of the possibility that they are just as opportunistic in their pursuit of drilling for oil.
Here is reason and logic. Republicans are funded heavily by the oil companies. This alone should be a red flag and cons should understand that this is a blatant conflict of interest. Therefore their credibility is ZERO. They're trying to sustain the power of those who make it possible for THEM to stay in power and you con wing nuts act as if you don't think anyone is aware of this.
There are HUGE profits in oil and therefore there is a HUGE incentive for those who want to profit to lie, cheat, steal and do whatever is necessary to get and maintain those profits. I don't believe a word of what you're saying and I sure as hell don't believe anything cape posts. I don't trust people who are clearly willing to pimp their country for a buck and for whom no low is too low. Do not talk to me as if you think you're totally reasonable and logical because I know what cons are up to before they even know. You people absolutely cannot be trusted to run so much as a flea circus.
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britracing1 year, 2 months ago
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brother, are you serious? obama is the biggest empty headed, empty suit yet. he has no ideas, just keeps murmuring change...change what? our economy the last 8 years has set records in growth, as has the stock market. it has slowed the last year because of gas prices which has stagnated the economy. the democrat controlled congress has done nothing and refuses to drill. the gas crunch is laid at the democrats feet. all the president can do is sign into law or veto. legislation is made by congress(democrats)
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obama won't wear an american flag lapel pen. why?
obama won't put his hand over his chest when the national anthem is played. why?
obama is for abortion, against life, why?
obama is less experienced than palin, yet wants to be president, not vp.
obama is a socialist, voted more liberal than any senator, including kennedy, which is saying a lot.
obama subscibes to the black liberation movement, something he was taught by jeremiah wright, which espouses hatred of whites, jews, and all about black power...it's racism in it's worst form.
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schubroc1 year, 2 months ago
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Wow britracing, you are led to believe that the economy has failed because of GAS! You really need to wake up and realize the this economy under this current leadership has failed because of poor decisions by BUSH! He has caused a lot of issues to raised for many of year's to come. It's just didn't happen in the last year. It happen over the course of his term. Now you have someone that agreed with his views running for the same office. Not to say that who ever going to take the oath for the office is going to bring us from what we have endured for so long. It will take a miracle to correct all of this over spending and not just because of GAS so do get caught up in the hype that McBUSH could correct what these rep. and dems have took this country for. Everyone has a story and have no solution. These conventions and debates are good for only one thing. ENTERTAINMENT. Until someone get into Office and begin to give Americans back their dignity and respect, then listening to what someone could do ain't worth the small talk that they give. So I'll vote and wait to see how Obama makes the changes or McBush makes the changes or Joe or Sarah make the changes and I'll live on just as I have since I was born until my time is up on this earth. Bless Americans and Bless the one's that chooses to lead America! All this talk about who's better doesn't matter not one bit, regardless of who's there(Office) we get what we get for 4-8 years. Then we either have a 28% approval or a 90% approval that's the difference for the last 16 years for the outgoing leader and chief. (Bush now) (Clinton then). And tell me this, How in the HE double hockey stick we lose as many jobs in America in the past 2 years from 22 mil then when we had went Clinton in Office 10 years ago everything was better. If now is better then it was ten years ago, then I don't want now again. Back then I could remember when people wasn't loosing their jobs, homes, and businesses. You have people who'd you'd never thought would be out committing crimes to survive committing crimes. WOW! But anyway you have that American Right to get on here and say that because some one didn't wear a "Flag Pin" he's not qualified. That's nothing but trivia issues. But you have a canidate that's collecting Social Security and thinks there's nothing wrong with that! And you think McBush is not going to raise taxes, God help US.....
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k9ike1 year, 2 months ago
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don't know if i've ever seen a more uninformed and misinformed group
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in my life. no wonder we are a laughing stock all over the world. in my travels abroad people in europe ,etc, know much more of our government than we do. you know absolutley nothing of this subject. when were you ever in a black church? obama is for free choice not abortion. what do you know of his voting record other than what you hear from hannity or rush. i would suggest you get some real facts.
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agoodlibertian1 year, 2 months ago
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Demsrdum(actually it is republicans that are dumb), If you think Mccain is the answer that change your name to repsrdum. Mccain is part of the problem. He is for big business only, always has always will be. Mccain becames president., this country will fail. Mccain is one of the biggest liars
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ever. He has no vision no new ideas nothing He is a complete zero. At least Obama has some ideas and programs to help out America.All Mccain wants to do is start more wars and enrich the military industrial complex. Mccain is not part of the solution he is a very ,very big part of the problems in this country. Learn the truth.-
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throggsredneck1 year, 2 months ago
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Ms BKLYNBROAD,
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So, you're for OH Bummer, who if elected will be a figurehead president. The executive branch will be run by committee, or most likely by Blowhard Biden. John McCain cannot reverse Roe V Wade. that's the Supreme Court's ballpark. I don't believe it will be reversed. I'd hate to see young women patronizing fly by night abortion clinics, nor abortion being criminalized again. We have enough people in prison. I am Pro-Choice. You have a choice of using condoms, IUDs, spermicides and other forms of contraceptives. Unlike OH Bummer, it is not above my paygrade to know that life begins at conception. If not, why wear condoms. It's late term or partial birth abortion I am against. Incest or rape induced pregnancies, then the mother should have that choice. If you're too lazy, too stupid,or you just succumbed to lust during a weak moment; to prevent the pregnancy, you deserve your prize. BTW, there are 57 states of Islam which OH Bummer has visited. FWIW, I will waste my vote to a man of substance rather than on an empty suit. As for Palin, it's just a chance that she'll assume the presidency. After all, she's better qualified than Pelosi whose 3rd in line. You're asking people to think; looks like you're not. Grow up and think. Vote with your head, not with what the media sez you have. -
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ruey1 year, 2 months ago
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It was under Clinton's watch that the lending institution lost their flipping minds!!!! They were loaning huge amounts of money left and right to people that had no business taking on that much debt. Now look at what is happening!!! Foreclosures everywhere. It isn't because the economy is so bad it's because these young people were lead to believe it was a free for all and they had to keep up with the Jones. Now, ten years later they are drownding in there own debt. If we would quit giving all of our money to China....something else that started when Clinton was in office, our companies wouldn't be doing as poorly as they are.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 2 months ago
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We are not "giving" money to China. We are borrowing money from them. And it didn't start under Clinton. Clinton balanced the budget and left office with a massive budget surplus.
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obamasucks1 year, 2 months ago
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he broke down in questioning? umm no he didnt. where the hell do u get this ******** or did u just make it up? but go ahead and vote for obama. and i hope ur black cuz if he gets elected hes not gonna give a flying **** about u if ur not
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twstraw11 year, 2 months ago
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Ok the investigation comment you can't even bring up. Name me one government chair holder that has not abused there power?? Look around you, all of Capitol Hill is abusing there power for anything and everything they need: republican,democrat,or liberal. And as far as being fooled, there isn't a presidential candidate that hasn't fooled the American people yet. Even Clinton stood in front of God and everyone and swore to uphold the dignity for the Presidential Office and I think we all know how long that lasted. But this is the beauty of being an American Citizen, we can all have our own opinions and then let the votes decide
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rknapp02051 year, 2 months ago
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Palin is fortunately on the right side of almost everything that America stands for - a true non-sociaist. She is the right person for the right job at the right time - what a breath of fresh air. She is real, a stark contrast to all the liberal phonies that talk "change", when all they want to reduce the size of your wallet and control your life. You have obviously never worked with government people - no motivation, just exist to collect a paycheck. The exact opposite of the entrepreneur. Read the story of the grasshopper and the ant - quite revealing.
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sweetess0011 year, 2 months ago
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The only issue Paline discussed was what McCain DID in his younger days or what Obama had not done or was not going to do. Don't worry about that just let us know what you all are planning on doing, because name calling and knit picking has never gotten anyone far and that is not even important what McCain did let us know what he is going to do NOW!!!!!
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