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American_girl1 year, 3 months ago
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I was a have not. Grew up in a single wide trailer, got free lunches, and my parents were on welfare a couple of times when needed, BUT this is still America land of opportunity! I worked full time and paid my way through college. Did it suck working 8 hours a day, getting off with barely enough time to eat dinner before going to class from 6-9, going home and doing homework 'til I couldn't keep my eyes open, then getting up and doing it again. You bet! It was the pits, but it was worth every sleepless night, every bill collection call, and every moment of stress. I now live a comfortable life in my two story home, paying for my own health insurance because we're self employed and getting sick of paying taxes to support the have nots who aren't willing to sacrifice and work hard enough to become one of the haves.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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ruey1 year, 3 months ago
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The difference is, His parents used it as it should be used. Welfare should be there to help people get back on their feet. Not to enable people to be LAZY baby-making free loaders. Poor pity me!!! Mrtwill3 is right on! Americans are a bunch of whiners! I sat next to a man on an airplane last week who was origanally from Jordan. He kept telling me that Americans don't know how good they have it and he thanks his lucky stars everyday for the opportunity to live and raise his children in this wonderful country. You think it's so bad here? Travel a little bit. You'll change your tune.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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There are generations of people raised to be dependent on public assistance. My wife's family is an example. Her Mom told us when our son was born, "Isn't it too bad that you don't qualify for WIC?" I told my wife later, "What your Mom doesn't realize is that people who work are paying for all that free public assistance money that your Mom mentioned."
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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Not any more. That may have been the case 20 or 30 years ago, but the rules for welfare and assistance have become quite tougher since the Clinton presidency in the 90's. It's a lot harder to milk the system for life than it was then.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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You're telling me this, as much of a DNC megaphone as you are? Do a web search and you'll see that states have avoiding the enforcement of the 5 year lifetime limit. You should do more than simply look at the welfare reform legislation as it was originally passed.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Why do you say this, Dcky? The world was a lot less violent a place when we weren't invading multiple countries simultaneously and making life hellish for our allies by dragging them along to help us fight illegal wars. When Bill Clinton was President, gas was way cheaper too, the economy was way better, we had more jobs, we weren't afraid of being poisoned by our food supply, we weren't worried that our kids would be maimed or killed by toys or poisoned by lead, we didn't fear that bridges would fall out from under our cars when we drove over them and we had a President who didn't thoroughly embarrass us every where he went. What happened, Dcky? How did things go so horribly wrong such that we're in the hellhole that is the US today? How did we get to this ugly, dark, horrifying place that smells like a septic tank no one wants to visit? ;-(
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nivek481 year, 3 months ago
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Sure you can markmawn2, just head toward Canada and turn right, eventually you will hit Europe, and France is just a "tail between the legs" retreat from there.
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It's a__holes like you that make dying on a battlefield for your freedom a waste of human life. Your type does not think anything is worth fighting for. Freedom is not free!-
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Why should we leave our country when scarcely anyone is willing to fight for the war being pimped by you and those you support? Are you posting from a foxhole? Is your family all there with you? Or are you here at home in the safety of your house praying that McCain gets elected so you get more tax cuts and cruise through the rest of your life believing that happiness is a cheap tank of gas? Exactly...You're not sacrificing squat so stop accusing other people of being un-American and ordering them to leave their country. Shame on you. ;-(
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nikipatrol1 year, 3 months ago
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I know how you feel......the amount of money that has been spent on this war blows my mind!!!! All that money could have been spent here on numerous things like alternative fuel sources..etc....Now thanks to this war many have lost their jobs, their homes and we still depend on oil just as much. How much more money do we need to spend? I think now should be pay back time...they should pay back all that had been spent in their country.
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American_girl1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm not opposed to helping people in need; I think we should help when they're down. I'm opposed to people living off the system and becoming dependent upon it for their financial security. I live in a state where that is the bulk of our welfare system. That's not helping them; it ensures they'll always be the have nots and teaches them not to do for themselves because the government will do it for them. The governement can help, but it shouldn't replace personal responsibility for oneself and, sadly, that's what it's become.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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"I now live a comfortable life in my two story home, paying for my own health insurance because we're self employed and getting sick of paying taxes to support the have nots who aren't willing to sacrifice and work hard enough to become one of the haves."
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That was your quote. I didn't change any thing. What if the people back then when your parents applied for welfare had the same attitude? What if they told them "tough luck, go get a job." Would the chances that you someday would have become a useful member of society have been in jeopardy? Think about it. Everyone needs a little help now and then. What's angers me is whaen people feel that they have reached the level where they think that helping others less fortunate is not an option. I call these people ungrateful and greedy. Rather than help people get jobs and help people try to get back on their feet, some only worry about their taxes increasing. They care little more than for themselves.-
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mikebroemsen1 year, 3 months ago
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kudos to you and shame on anyone else pretending that they would know your entier life circumstances based on 1 paragraph you have written on propeller...lol..its idiotic.....these libs cant see past their own noses...and the funny thing...their noses are always buried into everyone else's business...and thats what were talking about here...if more people would just wake and realize its no on else's responsibility to make sure that you have health care..the constitution doesnt guarantee healthcare...it doesnt guarantee food, it doesnt guarantee lots of money...it guarantees our right to persue those things....but certainly, no one is going to do it for you!!! if you arent happy with your life and what you have get up off your asses and do something about it...its that simple
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American_girl1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't have a problem paying taxes or even seeing them increase; I have a problem with how the money is spent. My parents used welfare as it was intended, until they got back on their feet. In fact in my reply I agreed that we should help others; that doesn't change the fact that the governments way of "help" isn't help at all. It's a system designed to keep people in poverty and on the system to ensure they'll continue to get that person's vote and stay in power. That's not help, that's an abuse of power. That's not helping the people get jobs and experience the pride of providing for their family, and it sure isn't closing the gap between the haves and have nots. The government's solution...more programs and dependency on the government! It's not help, it's politics.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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To call helping those in need in this country, politics. To call helping those in need in Iraq and Afghanistan to the tune of 12 billion dollars a month is called the "war on terror". The terror is being inflicted on the needy of this country. That's the real terror.
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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WV is a very poor state. A lot of families suffer from disease as a result of the coal mining chemical cesspools left behind that seep into the groundwater. Most jobs there are service jobs and hardly allow a family to make ends meet. I'm not saying that everyone who's needy is getting helped and I'm not saying that everyone that's being helped is needy, but I'd rather spend a dollar here on my fellow Americans, than a penny in Iraq.
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American_girl1 year, 3 months ago
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I live in DE. Our genius government thought they would reduce the nurse shortage by forcing our system abusers to become nurses. It's been lovely for our medical field. Someone who didn't want to be a nurse, begrudges it because they were forced into it, is exactly the type of person I want caring for me in the hospital or sticking me with needles! I think you hit the nail on the head...it's the bureaucracy that's ruined what was intended to be a good thing. Then they make it worse by trying to make it better. Will the madness never cease!? LOL
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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The problem is that those who say the charming things you do are often totally oblivious of or dismissive of all the welfare dollars that go to those who are not only not needy but downright wealthy. Cons seem to know when they're being "bilked" by the poor but either don't care or aren't aware of how their tax dollars support those people and institutions that are in no way needy.
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Take the war in Iraq (or just defense in general)...Do you scan the headlines every day looking for instances of waste, fraud and abuse of your tax dollars when it comes to the military? Do you cluck your teeth, wring your hands, furrow your brow and just generally behave in a spastic manner when you hear that your tax dollars are being soent on wealthy people who don't deserve it? I strongly suspect you do not. I've never seen one single con here question military expenses and I find this deeply troubling.
I think it's wonderful that you're all for personal responsibility but what we really need for those on the right to do is ask themselves why they insist on defining "welfare" so narrowly and why they're convinced no one realizes they're doing this. ;-(
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bigjames1 year, 3 months ago
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I have worked hard all my life never wason welfare nor were any of my family members.My taxes paid for your family to survive,but I am not bitter you are a hypocrite you take but dont want to give anyhing back yes I am sick of people who wont work but not evertone on welfare is a cheat.
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American_girl1 year, 3 months ago
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Perhaps you should read my reply to jovial. I'm not opposed to helping people, I'm opposed to supporting people. Everyone needs help sometimes, but our government has a way of creating an entitlement mentality that doesn't benefit the people they propose to "help".
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jovial1 year, 3 months ago
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Face it, some people will never be able to become productive. It could be disease or mental retardation or a number of other maladies. I don't think that anyone should abuse the system either, but a few high profile cases have given way to drastic cuts. Cuts that affected those that really needed it. Everytime they need to cut the budget, entitlement programs are the first one eyed for cuts. No one thinks of the actual implications, because these people(the poor) generally have little influence. Why are we spending 10 billion a month to rebuild Iraq, and at the same time angry about a mother that sold her food stamps to buy gas for her car?
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davidsyka1 year, 3 months ago
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AMERICAN GIRL is right. Many of us were have nots, and I am one of them. I grew up in a family of six children, but my parents taught us to work and obey the laws. I never wore gold chains or diamond earings as a man, I never had time to use drugs or get arrested or end up with bad credit, I was too busy working and educating myself at my own expense. Today at 70, I have a beautiful home, spend my summers in New England and my winters in Florida. I don't know what the inside of a jail or prison look like. I didn't have time to commit crimes, I was too busy working sometimes two jobs. I didn't have money for drugs, I spent my money on my education and later on raising my son to be a good productive member of sociaty. I am by my choice, a winner.
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markmawn21 year, 3 months ago
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Glad your happy. You were living in a different time, which peaked in the 70's. After the 80's things changed and the working class took the biggest hit. For a kid today graduating to have the same opportunity without the option of bankruptcy or other protections, or even the number of grants available for working class parents, is the lowest ever. Well to do parents can give their kids a leg up, but in today's climate of fast money, selling coke and marijuana, or their images on the internet is more attractive than working hard at a fast food restaurant. "Winning" has a new meaning today. Those who die with the most stuff wins? Or how about those who rack up the most debt wins!
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I do not ever want to use assistance. My grandfather was a proud Dust Bowl survivor who farmed himself into retirement, yet was never complaining about the assistance he received to keep his family alive. Once he got above water, he was better for it, and the country became ripe for opportunity again. All the later generations have is the debt they will inherit, without the opportunities to earn enough to pay off thier own.
Peace be with you.
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zsa-zsa1 year, 3 months ago
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THIS IS A GREAT FORUM. Freedom of speech is what it is all about. If you knew the sociological, economic, and emotional consequences of socialism in Scandinavia, you would tell the world to vote for McCain/Palin. In Denmark the tax for an automobile is almost 100% of the cost of the car! Lazy creeps have migrated to Denmark and France to get on the social system, protesting to change their laws to suit their own religious principles. Know people by who they know - birds of a feather is a truism. Voight is a champ because he was brave enough to speak his mind. Cheers! Mr. Voight. You are a tough guy.
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