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berkeley1 year, 3 months ago
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Mutainia1 year, 3 months ago
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Dionys1 year, 3 months ago
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I noticed how many Repugnant Cons were laughing at the poorly scripted, low-blows directed at Liberals in general. The Repugnant Cons were *nasty*. Not just critical, which would be welcome, but downright mean spirited. To see so many people laughing at nasty, low-brow attacks barely masked with humor was disturbing. Though it did make me understand the mind of those typically humorless robots who are happy to embrace a candidate who allowed someone in her Church to blame the Jews for the terrorist attacks against the Jews.
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Dionys1 year, 3 months ago
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Sorry. I don't know who Michael Savage is. But if he's someone who thinks that a Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jew that claims Terrorism is God's Judgement upon Jews for not being Christian is a completely, deeply offensive nutjob then I certainly agree with him on that.
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Furthermore if he thinks it's truly frightening that Sarah Palin happily listened to this nutjob not once, but twice with the latest time being two weeks ago then I also agree. It's terrifying. If she's so intelligent, strong-willed and willing to take a stand, then she should have walked out of that church or stood up and denounced such hateful, racist anti-Jew, anti-Israeli rhetoric.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Michael Savage thinks that Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. are liberal.
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It is obvious that you do not understand anything about eschatology. He is taking a verse where God says he will chastise his people until they turn to him. At the present time most Jews in Israel are not religious. His assertion gets all bound up in prophesies.
You and others are the ones that do knee jerk reactions to things you don't understand.-
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Savage is the one who said there is "no such thing as autism" and "it's the mothers' faults for causing it" and "the mothers with autistic children are whiners just trying to get money."
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TYPICAL EVIL REPUBLICAN that they all listen to and follow.
The Neocons were lauding him as a great leader and spokesman of their "movement'" just a year ago.
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Mutainia1 year, 1 month ago
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"If she's so intelligent, strong-willed and willing to take a stand, then she should have walked out of that church or stood up and denounced such hateful, racist anti-Jew, anti-Israeli rhetoric."
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Mut: My words exACTLY for Obama, O "I'm not a Muslim".
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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I wonder if he thought this was funny:
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Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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I hope that all community organizers get completely up in arms about her comments about them last night. Let's see the Republicans explain there way out of those comments.
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Umm, well, er, what we ahh, meant was, er, Obama's community service was irrelevant not everyone else's! Yeah that's what we meant!-
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Neophile1 year, 3 months ago
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They've been responding to it in large numbers today:
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rimbaud1 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah, I was confused by all the Republican rhetoric, last night. They acted like they were trying to unseat the current party in power, but hasn't it been the Republicans in control of both the Presidency and the Congress 6 of the last 7 1/2 years?
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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Yes.
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traveler20001 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, and they usually don't spent the money for the "general" public, but for the "generals" of the military.
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It is a fact that if you spent all your (tax) money on military, you can't spent it on general welfare, health and education.
But of course, we all know that if you are poor or unemployed, it's always your fault.....,
so, ...who cares...???
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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dstern1: "Too bad she has such a stronge aversion to telling the truth."
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She is not alone. I've just listened to McCain's speech. The fact that other than his POW experience, which he described in great detail, almost everything was generalities was to be expected. However, when he compared his platform to that of Obama, he stated at least two outright lies. He said that Obama is planning to raise taxes on average working families, which I haven't heard from Obama, and that Obama is planning to force everybody into a government run health care system, which Obama clearly disputed during the primaries. I just don't get it. Don't Americans recognize lies when they hear them?
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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You may be surprised how many women there are in this country who have put in their time in PTA and parents' clubs.
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Did you know that women control most of the money in this country??
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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I believe this quote is from you, written TWO MINUTES before this one:
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"Such a well considered thoughtful response to that comment. Typical liberal method of discussion. Why bother with real thought when it is so much easier to just insult people. That way you never have to think."
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's a good source for the truth:
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http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136
It's a documents section from the city of Wasilla's website. You can find cool PDF's there that show how the library never banned or censored a book or had any such request from Sarah Palin.
There's even two that show how she lowered property tax rates but increased property tax revenue.
What else? Oh yeah - election totals.
You should check them out.
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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wow.
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lovemylibs shoots herself in the foot again. big surprise.
the document that links to the page you gave me DOES NOT prove your point. all it says is that no books were ever officially banned. it does not mention requests or discussions on the subject. nothing.
which means that it doesn't say, in any way shape or form, that Sarah Palin never requested or discussed banning books.
so on this one I'm going to have to go with Time magazine, as well as Wasilla's ex-mayor, and Wasilla's library director at the time Palin was mayor, who said, "This is different than a normal book-selection procedure or a book-challenge policy. … She was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can’t be in the library.”
thats a first-hand account. an eyewitness.
meanwhile, all you have is a document written by the current mayor's office stating that no books have ever been banned by the Wasilla library. nothing in it exonerates Palin. nothing.
so yes, I can definitely handle the truth.
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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There is nothing to exonerate her for, which is what I was saying. There are four requests shown at the bottom of the page you are talking about. Further research shows that none of those requests were from Palin. Those are the facts, NWM.
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 3 months ago
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Great Post Neo, hopefully this woman will bury herself with the dumb comments coming out of her mouth. I hear nothing about what she can or wants to do for the country, just bashing Obama, that tells me she is totally unqualified to hold any office.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Now is the time for you to think about the person Obama chose to be his running mate:
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JOE BIDEN: PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND FRAUD: It was also discovered that, while at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote.
Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course. Biden also released at the same time the record of his grades as an undergraduate which were C's and D's and an F in ROTC during his first three semesters.
Further, when questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school Biden had claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class, (when he actually graduated 76th in a class of 85
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 3 months ago
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I see the babies lining up to whine and cry...boo hoo hoo.
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Hopefully you know that "justmoreofthesame.com" is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Democratic National Committee. 100% DNC Propaganda web site.
Poor Barry the Boy Wonder and Plagiarizin' Joe Biden can't run against McCain...so the whole advertising campaign is going to be to portray McCain as "Bush III" so that the Obama-siah can run against BUSH instead. That's been the whole steady build up of "McBush" "McSame" and "McClone", etc. Of course, the Dem sheeple will lap it up like the good little Bush-haters that they are.
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Tcaros1 year, 3 months ago
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For the record; McCain's speech was aweful. He looked uncomfortable and didn't say anything of value except; vote for me I was a hero 40 years ago.
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Palin on the other hand made 'the stupid people" in the Republican fold happy with "her digs," but said nothing about helping this country.-
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree that John McCain's speech was awful. It was full of generalities, a few lies and, of course, his POW experience. Shivers were running up and down my spine as he promised to work for peace and keep America and the world safe as we stand with our Georgian brothers against Russian aggression.
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama the other day said “My understanding is that Gov. Palin’s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year – we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,” Obama responded.
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Hum I wonder why he left out the fact that she IS the Gov of Alaska?
Would that have made Obama’s experience seem small?
Oh well,
whatever.
Lets see For executive experience Obama has a staff of 2500 and a budget of 48 million per month.
The SOLE purpose of his staff is to get Obama elected.
That what Obama “claims” as his executive experience.
Palin as gov of Alaska has X number of state employees and a budget of 35 billion?
And their purpose is to serve the People of Alaska.
BTW same as a mayor as well, serve the People that is.
So let recap okay?
Obama’s executive experience is to serve Him and Him ONLY.
Palin executive experience is serving the people who elected her over the last 16 years
Would it be fair to say that Obama’s experience is to serve
“Himself”
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 3 months ago
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In the ironies of ironies, Obama has about as much government experience as Lincoln had.
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So instead of calling themselves, "The Party Of Lincoln", maybe Cons should switch to, "The Party of the Guy Who Just Wasn't Good Enough For Us."
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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The true irony is that the Democrat Party nominated Obama only because he is black and can speak well. There is no substance to him. He votes "present" because he is unwilling to take a position on important issues. Ladies and gentlemen...that is not leadership. Voting "present" only proves that he has no conviction in difficult times.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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At least Obama can REMEMBER what he has said and done.
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Unlike poor old McCain...
When Reagan couldn't remember we got the treasonous IRAN-CONTRA law breaking scandal by Reagan's "people."
Same thing will happen when McCain can't remember just a little bit more than he can't remember already.
Problem is, WE ALL remember...
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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What a bunch of garbage. Lincoln was a very thoughtful man. He was disturbed by the concept of slavery and worked against it. He worked hard for everything he achieved. He did manual labor while educating himself. He was extremely honest. He became a lawyer and went to the legislature and congress as a representative. He debated the slavery issue with a man who was a who accepted it even though he said he disagreed with it. He lost the senate race but then won the presidency largely by what was reported about those debates.
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Obama has never had to work manual labor. He went to good colleges. He worked with organizations that helped people and with organizations in Chicago that were part of the party machine and were designed to get out the vote on the "right" issues. Help in return for the vote. He met Tony Rezco at this time. He then left and went to Harvard Law School. He had very good but not great grades. He was made an editor of the Harvard Law Review and his second year was elected president of it. With these positions almost every editor and president will get some of their papers included in the publication. For some unknown reason Obama NEVER had a paper published. This is a vehicle that these people use to make themselves more sale able to the more prestigious law firms. He graduated magna *** laude but not the top level summa *** laude. With this he could have chosen a top level law firm to go to. Instead he chose to go to the law firm that Rezco used. Two funny decisions. No papers and work for a party machine law firm.
Obama worked his way up the law firm and then an interesting thing happened. He decided to run for the legislature and everybody else running for that seat including the incumbent was declared ineligible because of not enough signatures. He then ran unopposed. That has a slight odor because they all get way more signatures than they need in case of a challenge. His kickoff fundraiser was held at the home of Bill (the terrorist) Ayres. Ayres was in the news a lot then because of his statement that he only wished that he had blown up more buildings. Strange. Another strange choice was the church he decided to attend. Rev. Wright warned him that if he went there the other Black churches would be antagonistic to him. With that warning he went there anyway. He bought his house with the help of Rezco and got a very low interest rate. Another strange decision. He writes letters to agencies for Rezco. He votes against the bipartisan group trying to clean up the corruption in Chicago.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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He supported Rezco and the Daley machine. He voted against the born alive bill three times leaving it ok to let a baby die that was born alive after an abortion attempt. I personally don't know why these people are not charged with murder. Putting a living baby on a shelf or in garbage and let it die. His tenure as a legislature was a person who voted present more than taking sides on many issues.
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Then you try to compare this man to Honest Abe????????
You got to be kidding.
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gopcaseman1 year, 3 months ago
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Trying to get money BACK from Washington for good causes seems reasonable. Not wanting to spend our tax dollars on wasteful projects also seems reasonable. I could also see supporting something, then getting involved on the inside and maybe LISTINING to the opposition you realize the project is wasteful and you change your mind. Nowhere near as scandalis as AYERS and Wright relationships.
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm still surprised that the William Ayers story hasn't surfaced...it's still being buried and I don't know why. The later it takes for the story to come out, the more harm it brings to the Obama campaign.
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I'm almost certain it will come out big. I'm just not sure when.-
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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Some of what the article proposes is spin. Some of it is true. Regardless, most of what Gov. Palin said on Wednesday was more of the same old, same old that we have seen from the Republicans over the last 20 years. More spin. More lies. More ambiguity. More hypocrisy.
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RNactivist1 year, 3 months ago
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Do we really want a VP whose foreign policy experience is related to Alaska "being next door to Russia" or a "leader because she led her basketball team to the state champs"....or that she is "strong" because she got on a plane in labor with her Downs syndrome child to fly all the way back from Texas to Alaska ( I call that blatent disregard for your unborn child and pure stupidity) because problems can be handled at 30,0000 feet....
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This is the woman who is supposed to step in and take over the running of this nation?
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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You really think white people are going to be put in chains like whites did to blacks for 100 years if Senator Obama is democratically elected president by the majority of Americans?
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Are you crazy paranoid or lying evil?
Seriously, Hhuk, which one is it?
Really. Which ARE you?
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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What a bunch of garbage. The left is going bonkers and trying to smear her mostly with lies. This story is a real hit piece with mostly twisting things by taking them out of context.
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The liberals must really be afraid of her or they would not put this much effort into a smear job. There is story after story on this site doing this. Things range from complete lies to twisting facts out of shape and ignoring other parts of the story. Typical of neophile stories.
For example as Mayor she cut the budget and reduced real estate taxes. Then there was a need for a building to be built. That was a big ticket item for that town and she put in a temporary sales tax to raise the money to pay for it. What was reported here? What the money was vetoed and that she raised taxes. She was so hated for those actions in that town that her second term she won by a 3 to 1 margin.
She is so hated by Alaskans for what she has done that she has an 80% to 90% favorable rating. Such a hated woman there. Is this the reason that liberals are going nuts trying to discredit her. Somehow I think that liberals will find that they have a tiger by the tail and she will shake them off.-
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joeblowe1 year, 3 months ago
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Well, that's bad. That's only about ... what 60% HIGHER than either the current President OR the current Democratic Congress. And those poll numbers are based on accusations and innuendo. Probably when it all gets sorted out, they will go back up. Unless there is backlash because she abandoned them for the V.P. job...
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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If you look at what happened in the "troopergate" you will see that it is much ado over nothing.
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Some facts. There was a divorce from Gov. Palins sister with charges of physical abuse. The family wrote a letter to the State troopers listing 13 complaints. They have pushed to have him fired. The paper carried the following in the following link.
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html
Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:
• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.
• He illegally shot a moose.
• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.
• He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.
Beyond the investigation sparked by the family, trooper commanders saw cause to discipline or give written instructions to correct Wooten seven times since he joined the force, according to Grimes' letter to Wooten.
Those incidents included: a reprimand in January 2004 for negligent damage to a state vehicle; a January 2005 instruction after being accused of speeding, unsafe lane changes, following too closely and not using turn signals in his state vehicle; a June 2005 instruction regarding personal cell phone calls; an October 2005 suspension from work after getting a speeding ticket; and a November 2005 memo "to clarify duty hours, tardiness and personal business during duty time."
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What does it take to get fired there? Threatening to kill someone and using a Taser on his stepson are not minor issues coming from a law enforcement officer.
These things happened before Palin became governor. The man she appointed to head the State police was pressured to fire him again by some in her family and someone in her office, probably trying to help her out, phoned him to do that.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Her Creationism is NO LIE, pal. (Unless you're calling Palin a liar...)
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And Americans DON'T LIKE their science students being force-fed MAGIC and USELESS DOGMA that will make the uncompetitive in the world market.
Keep that crap in the Churches.
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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I would like to point out that you Democrats would have wrapped up this election if Obama had brought Hillary Clinton in as his VP pick. If Obama loses, THIS will be the reason, I promise you.
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The Obama/Clinton would have won the election. I'm a conservative, I'll be voting for McCain/Palin....but I thought I would point this out.
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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As a conservative, I would vote for the more conservative choice. BUT MORE than that, I would vote for a ticket that I believe would influence the country in a more conservative direction.
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What I'm pointing out to you: Obama says he will bring the country together. He cannot even bring his party together. He shunned Hillary. If he was serious, he would have brought Hillary in as his VP. - That decision would have unified the Democratic Party.
Therefore, by his actions, he is not a unifying person. His decisions lack judgement and wisdom. He might lose the election because of it.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Once again why do Neocons who repeatedly bashed "Shrillary" (as you all called her) in the most heinous ways FOR 10 YEARS, suddenly want her IN?
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And WHY would any sane Democrat install the NEOCON'S CHOICE into our government?
Please explain, Hhuk.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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The speech was pure demagoguery--designed to rouse the mob by an appeal to their fears and prejudices.
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In that, it was successful. But exciting a hall of the like-minded and convincing the nation as a whole that one is worthy to lead IN CASE is--I HOPE--another matter.
PS, a thought that lingered: what kind of a parent would put his or her unwed and pregnant child through the media mill at a time when that child is most vulnerable? Doesn't say much for Palin's priorities, to my mind--or her character.-
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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Is it ok with you if we begin checking into Obama's daughters? They are only around 10 years ok, but I guess if they make a mistake, we should display it TV because their dad is in office.
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Was it ok when the Clinton's said Chelsea Clinton was off limits?-
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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But she WASN'T OFF LIMITS.
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Many of us remember RIGHT WING PUNDIT AND MEDIA going on about how "ugly" she was and many other crass insults by Republicans.
Can't have it both ways Neocons.
You reap what you sow.
Listen to Rush or Reverend Pat Robertson or Reverend Jerry Falwell or Ann Coulter or your other leaders and pundits to see EXACTLY what you've sown...
America is NOT going to lie down and take it from you freaks anymore, got it?
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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That would sound believable if all of us hadn't heard and read Republican Conservatives go on about how evil single mothers are (Dan Quail, Pat Roberstson, etc) and how BAD teen pregnancy is.
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Your two-facedness is despicable.
It's your LIES that are misplaced, Hhuk.
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kartman1 year, 3 months ago
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please Mrs. Palin explain to me and any other interested people how you and Mr. Mcain are going to spend 10 to 12 billion dollars a month in Iraq for the next four years or longer and cut income taxes for the very wealthiest of americans and help either the economy or the people hurt very badly by this economy.truth hurts don't it but the truth is you can't all you and mr Mcain are gonna accomplish is more of the same stupid policies which brought us to this point in the first place. the truth is 4 more years of the mcain-bush economy will be devastating to working men and yes women but any truth that doesn't fit your purpose just doesn't exist I guess well Mrs. Palin and all you republicans out there any middle class guy can tell you mostly from experience that if you make 400 a week and spend 600 a week very soon you'll be in trouble but it seems you and John just don't get it
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joeblowe1 year, 3 months ago
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OH - my God! What a load of crapola and innuendo. And, I STRONGLY suspect, poorly checked FACTS. Frankly that page was too long and boring to read all the way through. After a few paragraphs I got the jist: Barry's people are trying DESPERATELY to find some way, ANY way, to kill off this monumental threat to his campaign. It looks to me like someone trying to recite facts out of context to make the situation APPEAR one way, when the CONTEXT might very well make it appear just the opposite. The one GLARING example were the so-called "cuts" to various senior and educational facilities. Anyone else notice anything odd about those things? To me, much of that appeared to be things the STATE had NO BUSINESS paying for directly anyway. It is absolute foolishness to start criticizing someone like this without understanding the REASONS why these things may have been done. So you should consider that when reading this stuff. And ask yourself if YOU are going to be fooled.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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hhusk: "Which issue is more important to you. A presidential candidate who associates with a known terrorist or a vice presidential candidate whose daughter is pregnant at 17."
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But why to you posit the two as either-or in importance?
Putting aside the issue of whether O. associates (present tense, or past, for that matter) with a "known terrorist"--both matters have their place in the ongoing debate, let's call it. -
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