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Pepe Escobar and Paul Jay react to McCain's speech to the RNC.

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    jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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    McCain has nothing to really offer. He is hoping by tugging on the heartstrings of America, people will look past his major shortcomings and vote not for him, but his VP choice.

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      willottica1 year, 3 months ago

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      I agree. However, I'd also like to draw people's attention to this poster's submission with VIDEO and TRANSCRIPT of the speech:

      http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/04/john-mcc...

      The poster was first past the post, and I don't think they've ever made the front page.

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      chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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      If he wasn't an incompetent he never would have been a POW.

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        gwhiddon1 year, 3 months ago

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        I'm curious - you ever face anti air craft fire?

        Come to think of it, Canadian, you ever fight for anything but scraps?

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          chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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          Don't have to. I don't live in a country that is becoming universally hated.

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            Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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            McCain himself in his book states it was entirely his poor judgment that got him shot down. Chuck's statement is completely true and accurate. Though you may not see many Canadians in the BS undeclared wars (which simply shows intelligence not cowardice) of the last 60 years, they have shown themselves quite capable when threats are real.

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              chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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              A famous Canadian historian, John Bartlet Brebner , pretty much sums it up.

              "Americans are benevolently ignorant about Canada, while Canadians are malevolently well informed about the United States."

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                Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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                Chuck, we're not all bad.....I for one am ALL FOR THE GREAT WHITE NORTH BABY!

                I only WISH we were smart enough to have your healthcare system.

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                  chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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                  Oh, I know that. I travelled the US quite extensively in my youth.

                  Great country, great people.

                  It’s been a while since I visited, but I remember that anyone would be hard pressed to find a nicer, more generous bunch of people. The problem is that lately, since the arrival of Bush and his ilk on the political scene, it seems that if you get more than two or three of them together at a time and discuss politics, religion or anything that smacks of socialism, their IQs drop about 50 points.

                  It’s time to get rid of the bible addled morons and step into the twenty-first century. Time to start spending your tax dollars on treating your citizens like family instead of on more ingenious ways to kill poor people of colour on the other side of the world.

                  Take a chance on Obama. Anything would be better than the republicans.

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              Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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              good question, have you?

              maybe you should READ McCains book dumbaZZ.

              I'm also so tired of TURDS like you belittling our best and closet (geographically) allies. Canada is full of really smart people and it's really progressive country...THEY get along prety well.

              Scraps? - since when did Canada get any aid from the US?

              I suppose you don't like France either and you were the first putz to line up in the freedom fries line.

              les you forget, without FRANCE we would N OT have our OWN independence....

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                chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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                “you ever fight for anything but scraps?”

                No, but I can foresee a day when you and the rest of the US will be standing on our border with your hands out looking for water, energy resources and anything else you can get your hands on, because you’ve squandered all of your own.

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              jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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              Here's another perspective and one i recommend everyone reads.
              http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/05/rambo-an...

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                miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                This article brings the main issue back into focus.

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                  jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                  It does bring up some outstanding points.

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                  jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                  The article touches on the psyche of a man that feels like his country lost a war and now he has to win this war in Iraq to complete his own personal legacy. It cites actual figures that contradict the theory that the surge is working. It provides maps of Baghdad that show how whole neighborhoods have been "ethnically cleansed".

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                  keyfitter1 year, 3 months ago

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                  So McCain has nothing to offer? Just what does Obama have to offer, besides the opportunity for all of us to pay higher taxes and his Marxist viewpoints?

                  Neither party has a worthwhile candidate at all. I don't know about anyone else but I would vote for my wallet. This country has steadily been going down the toilet long before King George. Ever wonder why neither party is able to get anything right?

                  The government in this so-called free country is made up of a bunch of sock puppets who do the bidding of the powerful elite.They are not here for "we the people". "We the people" are nothing more than the meal tickets that support these greedy scumbags with our labor and provide offspring to be used as pawns/cannon fodder in their little power games. Some things will NOT "change".

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                    cushi1 year, 3 months ago

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                    I bet you didn't listen well in school either, no wonder you're so easily fooled!

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                    GLee1 year, 3 months ago

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                    JOVIAL,

                    Just my thoughts about Obama. A hollow man.

                    There's nothing like a good ole fashioned fight. Now which one do you think is the battler?

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                      miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                      That's a nobrainer. Barry has had to work hard for everything he has got. He has lived in the mean streets and still made it to Harvard and graduated well there.

                      McSame is the son of an admiral who was the son of an admiral. He has had a silver spoon all his life. He graduated 894 out of 899 in his class. He is an aldulterer and a liar with a poor memory. His lack of morals is evident in his stand on torture and campaign finance reform. He was for them before he was against them.

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                        MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                        OH please....he didn't live on the mean streets....he hasn't had to battle for anything...he went to Harvard after a muslim helped him get in and begged others to write letters of recommendation for him, he had money donated so he could go to Harvard.
                        He CHOSE to move to Chicago, because he knew that he could work his way up the Chicago Politial Machine...His stint as a state legislator certainly didn't help those who were stuck with Rezko the slumlord. His stint as a Senator hasn't helped anyone but himself. You want to talk about selfish, talk about Obama who used poor judgment regarding "friends" simply because they were monetarily desirable. What has he done for the American People other than write two books about himself? List his accomplishments...I dare you!

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                          Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago

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                          If your lies were even true Meajen his performance there shows that Harvard was lucky to have him. You debunk your point,

                          "OH please....he didn't live on the mean streets....he hasn't had to battle for anything...he went to Harvard after a muslim helped him get in and begged others to write letters of recommendation for him, he had money donated so he could go to Harvard."

                          Reread this you said he didn't have it hard then you went on to point out how he had to beg and scrape to get in...no one help you get into Harvard idiot you have to have two things Money or Brains and he didn't have money in your own admission He CHOSE to move to Chicago, because he knew that he could work his way up the Chicago Politial Machine...His stint as a state legislator certainly didn't help those who were stuck with Rezko the slumlord. His stint as a Senator hasn't helped anyone but himself. You want to talk about selfish, talk about Obama who used poor judgment regarding "friends" simply because they were monetarily desirable.
                          Oh please Obama had no interest in politic until he started working as an organizer...he move to Chicago in search of himself. I hear the right talking about Obama and money all the time he did this for money and that for money...let me tell you fool if Obama was about Money he would have took that Harvard law degree to NY and make Millions or even stayed in Boston and do the same. But he went back to help the people but I can see how that face elude you because your Party is about anything but helping the American people!

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                      Blackacereturn1 year, 3 months ago

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                      More BS from McCain, I know a lot of POWs that I would not vote for, well two my Uncle and McCain...unlike McCain my unck just want health coverage which he isn't getting. These guys are the worse set of Americans ever and should not be trusted with our government again. They will make nice until they get into the white house and like bush all hell will be be put upon the American people again. I cant believe that they are people this foolish in our country, that would fall for this same trick for the 13th time in the last 60 years. May god help us and bless this nation!

                      After what they did McCain should not be this close to Obama, he should not even be mentioned in the same conversation as the presidency!

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                      engineer1 year, 3 months ago

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                      After the last eight, do you think there will be a real change. Remember Bush endorsed him!!

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                        fixershome2121 year, 3 months ago

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                        You know...I watched this convention deal with McCain, and I just have to tell you...If it were up to me and I could get to this guy and tell him, I realize you have to by Law...go through the motions, but to tell you the truth...I believe the election has already been decided. It's over...! We just have to wait till the rule takes over and the new president walks in...simple as that....

                        Actually, I'd tell them to cut back on their spending, and give the money they save to the children in THIS COUNTRY..that are starving and need help...!

                        Davis

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                        rightfromwrong1 year, 3 months ago

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                        Bush is such a hypocrite and McCain is an idiot. Paulin is rabbid with her anti-feminist stances and her lack of knowledge on the environment.
                        Have no idea how American people can even consider the Republic party as a choice. They are pro-fascist corporate and bought by the Israel lobby

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                          cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                          rfw:

                          Well, I agree with 95% of what you say.

                          You do realize that Condi Rice is meeting in Libya with the "mad dog" Momo Ghadffi. He is a terrorists terrorist. He has the US coming to meet with him, because he has oil.

                          Follow the money and greed you'll see that the neocons and the left wing nuts are all chasing the same poison. Just in different ways.

                          McCain could care less about our vets. He just wants the power to give to his corporate and private handlers.

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                            jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                            You know what's funny CGP, if a Democratic administration official went to visit Khadaffi the right-wing pundits would be slamming the whole administration as being terrorist sympathizers.

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                              Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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                              Something not talked about in MSM- McCain quietly has adapted Obama's "timetable" for removing er "redeploying" troops from Iraq, so despite the criticism of Obama his actions will end up being similar (the Difference being McCain will continue the neocon oil wars on more fronts no doubt).

                              I trust Obama to solve issues through diplomacy -with force being a last option, the neocons offer the opposite.

                              Obama was demonized for suggesting we would talk to leaders of nations whom we disagree with. But it is insane to try to solve any disagreement without dialog. If Obama said he would talk to Libya they would crucify him as a terrorist appeaser. I won't pretend this 2 party system we got here is very good, but there is no way the Republicans can pretend they offer "change" from themselves. Even the brain dead
                              are aware a guy who embraced and supported Bush for 8 years is not going to be a guy who will stop the awful decline and destruction these policies have brought. These people think we are less intelligent than dust mites.

                              I believe Obama is a man of some integrity and keen intelligence. Qualities not often encountered in government. We know McCain is not.

                              Palin is merely a smoke bomb to keep the focus off McCain. The more she is talked about in media, the less issues and policy get examined.
                              Politically this is a good "military" tactic, but we are not a military dictatorship. I for one am sick of Psyche-ops being aimed at U.S. citizens.

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                                miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                                ok..... I agree.

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                            Progressive1 year, 3 months ago

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                            This summed it up pretty well for me:

                            http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/the-mir...

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                              Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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                              Great link.
                              Thanks.
                              Well put.

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                                willottica1 year, 3 months ago

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                                Excellent link.

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                                  german-shepard1 year, 3 months ago

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                                  What impressed me were all of the very introspective comments (close to 400) that rounded out the link.

                                  G.S.

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                                  jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                  They don't like the word ditto, so I'll try again. Great story on that link, progressive.

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                                    Will13131 year, 3 months ago

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                                    good read.. thanks..

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                                      miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                                      A woman's view of Palin. Good read.

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                                      fixershome2121 year, 3 months ago

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                                      I agree with you...Isn't it such a bunch of Crap? The election ia alredy a done deal.

                                      If McCain gets in...I swear, I'm done here. I'm leaving for the Phillipines, and never to return.

                                      Davis

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                                        jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                        I'm right behind ya.

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                                        chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago

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                                        “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

                                        Sinclair Lewis

                                        It is unfortunate, that both parties feel that they have to pander to the delusional bible thumpers.

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                                        dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago

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                                        There are some serious problems in the Republican party when they throw up the man who they said was too unstable to be Pres 8 years ago and cast him as a solid choice now while saying Obama lacks experience and toss in someone who couldnt govern a small town of 5000+ as a "solid" choice for VP. INcluding her view on sex education with her daughter standing there as proof they dont work.

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                                          Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                          McCain is the only guy they got with a reputation of not being a neocon lapdog.
                                          They know he's the only repub with a prayer of getting near the Whitehouse.
                                          They are relying on his former media hype from the 90s to be what voters remember about him.
                                          The irony is the reputation is terribly out of date, he has been a bush lapdog ever since being defeated and slimed by the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000.

                                          The whole thing has 0 integrity, McCain is trying to appease the rabid right fanatics while also pretending he is about change and moderation to sucker the moderates who respected him years ago. He Can Not Be Both. How dumb do these people assume voters are?

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                                            Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                            VERY dumb, and sadly they are right.

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                                          cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                          McCain has his personal story. That is all he has!!!! He doesn't understand the economy, he can' lead this nation out of the muck filled ditch Bush put us in.

                                          He can't do much except say, "I am a hero because I was a POW." I honor his fortitude and and give him well deserved honor for his surviving that hell, along with ALL the others who did as well!!!!

                                          No to McCain and no to the beginnings of a terrorist reign that has been allowed under the Bush regime.

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                                            jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                            His whole speech was about 911 and his war stories. He was all wrapped up into himself. McCain has been in an ongoing debate with himself. He's oblivious to what's going on elsewhere. If I have to hear one more time about the success of the surge I 'll probably vomit.

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                                              Will13131 year, 3 months ago

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                                              don't forget his big line.....

                                              DRILL ..... DRILL .. DRILL AND DRILL........NOW...

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                                                pcknowledge1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                "DRILL ..... DRILL .. DRILL AND DRILL........NOW..."

                                                Makes me think there is going to be a big explosion when you say NOW...are Bush/McCain/Palin going to get an o.r.g.a.s.m. when the oil flows out?
                                                They are going to be on the phone with the Saudis, and sell us out. We Americans won't see even 3/4 of a quarter of a barrel of that precious oil.

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                                                  Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  We Americans won't see even 3/4 of a quarter of a barrel of that precious oil.

                                                  yeah that's true most pepole are too stupid to realize that. It goes on the WORLD market for the same price as every other barrel of oil.

                                                  Now, the price may drop a little in the short term, but as soon a s a mosquito farts in the ME the speculators will send it right back up to 150.00 a barrel.

                                                  If you don't believe that you are TOTALLY naive. (just sayin pc, not talkind about you)

                                                  Why does the Iraqi oil and profits belong to THEM and OUR oil and profits belong to the BIG OIL companies?

                                                  I say nationalize the oil biz and call it a day.

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                                              Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                              There's a guy who sleeps in a refrigerator box down by the local VFW whose story is every bit as compelling and patriotic. He didn't marry an heiress though. He'll not be sleeping in the white house, or even one of McCain's mansions when he's not using it. And if he showed his face at the GOP convention it would have been bloodied by jackbooted thugs. Yet by McCain's demeaning of POWs by using it as a cheap ploy to get sympathetic votes, he spits on the Vietnam Vets. Of course his voting record on Veterans issues is pathetic as well. McCain admits he was shot down because he being a hot dog and stupid. Vote for me I make sh***y decisions !

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                                                MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                And what might I ask does Obama have? He doesn't have extensive legislative experience, he doesn't have any executive experience, he has never FOUGHT for our country...what is left...If you can list any of his accomplishments I would really like to know. All I know is he has written two books (about himself no less), and voted present during most of his legislative tenure....

                                                What bills has he sponsored, what legislation has he worked tirelessly on....

                                                I at least give credit to McCain that he was willing to step forward and FIGHT for our country. Obama could have done that, he could have gone into the military, instead he opted to go to Chicago, to get his foothold into th political machinery there.

                                                To cheapen McCain's experience, simply because others went thru the same thing, is horrible of you. I hope that no disaster ever comes you way, because with the attitude you have, no one should care, because, well, others have had it happen to them.

                                                I say no to Obama who has done nothing for this country, unless it was good for him!

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                                                not2needy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                I thought the republicans would have been tired of being represented by idiots and racists, but it seems to be the norm!
                                                McCain with his POW status, 9/11 and trying to evoke sympathy for a shrew that hates everyone and everything!

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                                                  Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  Yeah, most of my friends from Nam are dead from multiple cancers related to agent orange.
                                                  McCain voted against helping them at every opportunity.

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                                                  zzbowzerzz1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  John McCain says he knows how terrible war is, so he is better prepared for Commander -in-Chief. Well lets see about that. He was a pilot on an aircraft carrier stationed 25 mile off the coast of Vietnam. He would fly over the country and drop bombs from a height of 2 miles on the little ants he saw below and then fly back to the carrier's deck. Well those little ants below were actually human beings. Children in school yards, people crossing bridges going to and from work to support their families, children going to and from school. You can not smell death from 2 miles in the air Mr. McCain. Back on the carrier life is very good. Hot food 24 hours a day, hot water for showers, clean clothes each day, 24 hour movies, TV, and other forms of entertainment and recreation. Compare that to the life of the soldiers on the ground in Vietnam. The only difference between life on an aircraft carrier and life in a New York apartment is life is more dangerous in New York. And then one day McCain cold starts his jet engine, creates a fire and drops his bombs which explode on the deck of the Forrestal and kills 125 American servicemen. Only problem was McCain was taken off the ship so fast he never got a chance to smell death even then.
                                                  Tell us some more war stories HERO.

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                                                    miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                    My memory tells me he didn't start that fire. It was an F-4 on the other side of the flight deck.

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                                                      zzbowzerzz1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                      The reports that I read say McCain cold started his jet engines, flames from his engine shot out and set the plane behind him on fire and that McCain panicked and somhow released his bombs on the deck of the carrier which exploded in the fire. 125 dead servicemen . I read 2 internet stories essentially the same. Mc Cain was immediately taken off the ship and never returned for his own safety as you could imagine.

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                                                      MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                      And were you in the military during a time of war? Have you given anything to this country? Your time, your heart, your life? I somehow don't think so. Don't demean what he did, you were probably one of those people who spit on soldiers coming back from war. You sicken me.

                                                      War is hell, and no one has ever tried to state otherwise. We all know that people die, that civilians are the true losers, but you know what, I would feel safer knowing that my commander in chief has some military training, that he has seen the hardships of war, and the ultimate sacrifices that are made. Can Obama say the same thing? I guess it is hard to know how hard war is when you are sitting in a Harvard classroom, instead of fighting for your country.

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                                                        cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                        Meajen30:

                                                        Yeah !!!!! I did !!! In fact I was one of the ones being spit upon !!!! Nixon didn't stop it !!!! Nor did he even care !!!!

                                                        Bush wasn't there !!!! Where was he ???? In the skies of the great state of Texas. To scared of dying to go to Nam !!!!!!

                                                        You know what ?? I don't want an emotionally damaged temper tantrum throwing former POW in charge of my country !!!! Peoples' lives mean to much.

                                                        But not to him !!!!!! Look what he did to his first wife, who waited for him and was in a terrible car accident.

                                                        He didn't make those sacrifices all by himself. There were plenty more vets who never came home. There are still plenty of vets who are homeless and sick. What does McCain do for them ????? Votes against helping them always !!!!!!!!!!!

                                                        I don't want a man who thinks he has suffered greatly so it is OK for others to do so. Like his reversal on torture !!!!!!!!!

                                                        Don't be a moron, McCain was a pilot who got shot down and was horribly tortured as a POW. I knew some tunnel rats who went thru some sh*t and are still f**ked up. Yet receive very little acclaim or help for their deeds and traumas.

                                                        I have seen the dead blown to bits, the blood, the smell, the insane portrait of hell on earth brought on by mans greed and stupidity.

                                                        You want someone who thinks that is the way to solve problems ????

                                                        Are you insane ????? Feel free to go "enjoy" the festivities of war. Bring along a memory eraser though. Oh that's right they don't have one. To bad you get to suffer a life time of hellish memories.

                                                        Yeah that's what we need, more hellish memories brought to us by the neocon war machine.

                                                        Wake up. War is not good for living things !!!! It only brings death and destruction and a host of hellish memories and deeds.

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                                                          MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                          So you would rather have someone in offce who has NEVER even given a thought to fighting for his country, has no miltary experience at all, and won't listen to the Generals on the ground. I would think that someone with a military background would at least be worried about that.

                                                          As for McCain and his first wife, you don't know what went on behind closed doors. McCain himself has said that is his biggest regret, he owns it, and makes no excuses. McCain is a man, he is not God. Men make mistakes, no one is perfect, and those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

                                                          I DID NOT say that war is the only way to solve problems, nor has McCain, however, there does come a time when unfortunately, that is exactly what happens. Like it or not, war happens, and although I pray that peace is soon forthcoming, I know that you can't give in to a bully, or they will take over, you can't negotiate with terrorists, or every group out there will think we are weak.

                                                          When we are already at war, do you want someone who wants to "negotiate" with terrorists with no pre-conditions. And how long do we negotiate - long enough for them to become nuclear capable? Long enough for them to devise a plan of attack? When are the negotiations OVER?

                                                          I DID NOT say I enjoy war, no one does, and as I said the real losers are the civilians. However, when you have been attacked, are you not supposed to defend yourself? That is the true question, were we supposed to sit idly by and let the terrorists win, let them take over this great country, a country you fought for? Even Obama has said that there comes a time when military force is necessary.

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                                                            pcknowledge1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            "However, when you have been attacked, are you not supposed to defend yourself?"

                                                            When did Iraq attack us? Have you ever been to the Middle East? Do you even know what our troops are facing in Iraq? Neither the Sunnis, nor the Shiites, in Iraq ever attacked us.
                                                            It makes me very sad when people buy into Bush's war in Iraq.

                                                            First Bush & McCain ridiculed the idea of diplomatic talks with Iran, which Obama thought of FIRST. Months later, Bush & McCain said they would hold talk with "pre conditions." WTF are "pre conditions?
                                                            A President either holds diplomatic talks before threatening war, or does not. Bush/McCain are so full of s.h.i.t.
                                                            Yeah, Obama said military force is neccessary sometimes. It wasn't neccessary against Iraq, the Weapons Inspectors confirmed on multiple occassions that Saddam did NOT have any WMD's. You can't invade a country for their OIL, which is that Bush did in Iraq. You can't kill civilians in a country because they have OIL, which is what Bush did in Iraq. You can't send our troops to die in a country because they have OIL, which is what Bush is doing in Iraq!

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                                                              MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              Oh, ok, so we are ok with the Afghanistan war, but not with Iraq? Because most of the talk seems to always say STOP WAR...my mistake.

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                                                              cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              MeaJen:

                                                              Not McCain !!!!! Not ever!!!!!!!!!

                                                              Attacked by whom ???? OBL ? Fine take him and his terrorist organization out !!!!!! Hard, fast, and mean !!!!! No mercy or regrets about that.

                                                              War is the very last resort !!!!!!!!! If you don't know that you can't understand what life is all about !!!!

                                                              No, no one will be allowed to take over this country. Including the right wing nuts who want to make it a fascist nation, or the left wing nuts who want a communistic the government will protect us crap !!!!!!

                                                              Try this, the government is supposed to take care of the things the individual states are not able to do without the union of the states. Such as build highways connecting the states allowing the free travel and trade between states.

                                                              It is not supposed to be into empire building for wealthy individuals or corporations. It is not supposed to use an army to support the aggressive pursuit of another nations wealth.

                                                              That is not war it is terrorism and armed robbery.

                                                              Defense and self preservation are indeed needed.

                                                              But to attack other nations for their wealth is to invite the same done to us.

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                                                                MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                So how many U.N. Security resolutions are we supposed to allow a country to disregard before we escalate? How many times do we allow a country to circumvent economic sanctions before we escalate? Just a question, I would really like an honest answer.

                                                                Just as an analogy, and yes I know it is simplistic in its comparison, how many times do you tell your kids to do something before you punish them? How many times do you allow them to break firm rules before you punish them? Just a question.

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                                                              MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              As for McCain supporting veteran's rights: he has voted repeatedly, throughout his career, to ensure that the Veteran's Affairs health care programs receive the funding necessary to serve our veterans. He has supported numerous funding increases, initiatives to make the VA more efficient, and proposals to give higher pay to VA doctors in order to recruit and retain high quality physicians and dentists. He has supported legislation to expand retirement benefits for reservists, supported provisions to expand eligibility for health care benefits for reservists and their families, and sponsored legislation to grant survivor benefit payments to the spouses of reservists who die during or as the result of training. He sponsored legislation that would ensure that health care funding is distributed fairly, and that eligible veterans in all regions of the country can equally access high quality health care. He sponsored legislation to cover mental health care in military retiree health plans. John McCain has also been a leading advocate for providing veterans with hospice benefits.

                                                              Obama however voted against our nation’s veterans and troops in the field during a time of war! Sorry can't offer much more than that because he doesn't have a record one can dissect! Do we really need our troops worrying about their families and whether they are going to have enough money to eat or pay the rent. Our troops are paid so low as it is, and now Obama wants them to worry about money as well. And let's not forget that Obama is a MEMBER of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs, and on his watch veteran's SUFFERED: The Walter Reed scandal shows that we don't provide returning service members with the care they deserve. There are currently more than 400,000 claims pending with the Veterans Benefits Administration. VA error rates have grown to more than 100,000 cases a year. Veterans are coming home with record levels of combat stress, but we are not adequately providing for them. What has he done about this - oh that's right, run for President.

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                                                                jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                Prove that! McCain voted repeatedly against other POW/MIA's from the Vietnam war. He consistently voted against or abstained from voting for benefits for war veterans and the VA. How could a military man do such a thing? How could you sit there and defend him?

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                                                                  MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  How about you prove the things you are saying!

                                                                  The following is a list of bills that Senator McCain voted for:

                                                                  National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1997

                                                                  Defense Department FY98-99 Authorization bill

                                                                  Authorization bill, FY99, Defense Department

                                                                  FY 2000 Defense Auth.—Passage

                                                                  National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002

                                                                  Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization-Passage

                                                                  Emergency Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan
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                                                                  Why not read about them, see what he has done for his fellow veterans.

                                                                  And while you are at it, why not look up what Senator Obama has done for veterans since he has been in office and a member of the Veteran's Affairs Committe in the Senate.

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                                                                    jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    None of that had JACK to do with veterans. Try again.
                                                                    September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.
                                                                    July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.
                                                                    March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year.
                                                                    February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. (the surge)
                                                                    May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

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                                                                      jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
                                                                      March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
                                                                      March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.
                                                                      October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
                                                                      April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

                                                                      That's just a smidgit. Want more?

                                                                      http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/95...

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                                                                        MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        Ok, we can seriously take out any bills that required a pullout, or timetable...we all know McCain would NEVER have voted for those. So, what does that really leave you with?

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                                                                          jovial1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                          Go to the link I posted. There's plenty more.

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                                                                          MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                          Now tell me what Obama has done since he has been in office!

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                                                                        MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        none of it had jack to do with veterans? Umm...have you read the bills? Guess not.

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                                                            sandybeach11 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            You democrat dummies are making me sick! You keep talking about how McCain uses his POW nightmare to try to win over votes??? Well, what about your Osama Obama? His father left when he was just a wee one and he was raised by a single mother and his grandmother, blah, blah, blah. How many people have been raised by a single mother? How many people have been a tortured POW for YEARS? Go ahead and keep bashing McCain, but, when you lay your head down on your pillow tonight and not have to worry if you will be bombed or have to listen to bombs, etc, thank people like McCain and President Bush for keeping them over there and not here in the States! All of us are complaining about gas prices...well WE have to drill, drill, drill to try to at least make a temporary solution to the problem... Democrats are idiots! That's my story and I'm sticking to it...........................

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                                                              miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              You just stick to your story. Just like Gonzales, Libby, etc.

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                                                                Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                You're an idiot and unfortunately that stuck on me.

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                                                                  cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  sb1:

                                                                  Well I'll let you figure out what sb1 ='s. LMAO hahahahahahahaaa

                                                                  You seem to be way right of reality. But no matter, it is posts from "genius's like you that make Obama seem so much more appealing than McLost.

                                                                  When I lay my head on my pillow at night, I keep saying to God, I'm sorry God, sorry my country has become this nation of war for oil.
                                                                  Sorry the people of this nation have become so enamored with greed and material things they no longer see the path of salvation in Jesus Christ.
                                                                  Sorry they think it is right to murder another nations people for the wealth you put in their land.
                                                                  Sorry we have a leader like GW Bush who stole the election so he could destroy the nation, and make it the nation of greed and plunder for the wealthy.
                                                                  I pray we are forgiven and delivered from this evil that is the Bush administration, that God will forgive us and Bush.
                                                                  That we will once again become a nation of preferring right to wrong and good over evil.
                                                                  That we will stop listening to the false teachers and read the Bible and see what it really says, and follow it not man.

                                                                  So sb1, stick to your story. I'll stick to my prayers and God.

                                                                  The true idiots are those who believe man has the answer.

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                                                                  Hobe1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  McCain is a 26 year Do-nothing Senator who started off as a Corrupt Senator member of the Keating Five savings/Loan Fraud that cost Hard Working Americans Billions in Tax Dollars...

                                                                  Is it fair to say, McCain's BAD Temper and unfortunate experience as a POW may have left him with some serious Mental disorders?? His wife Cindy Budwizer is also a confessed Drug User...

                                                                  Of all the Experienced Qualified individuals in America, in continued Poor Judgment John McCain selects an Individual with No Qualifications, who wants to deny a Woman the right to choose an abortion even when Incest and/or Rape is involved. Palin if elected would try to reverse Row Vs Wade. Are you kidding me????
                                                                  John McCain is just Playing Politics again, he could not be serious with his, wife cindy's and Palin's Baggage....

                                                                  What a Shame the Republican Party could not offer decent respectable candidates for president and Vice President.

                                                                  BJ bill and Hillary clinton two Immoral deceptive liar's would be a better choice...

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                                                                    MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    Do you really want to get into a debate over "records"? At least McCain has one.

                                                                    Do you really want to get into a debate over "associations"? McCain was found innocent of the Keating 5 issue (which by the way was 20 years ago). Obama has had associations with "slumlords", "terrorists", and "racists"...so really you wanna go there?

                                                                    Do you really want to say that McCain was tortured because he has a temper...seriously, care to say that at a VFW convention? I didn't think so.

                                                                    Do you really want to get into a debate about drug use? Cindy McCain is NOT running for office, her husband is, HOWEVER, Obama is running for office and has ADMITTED to using drugs as well. Cindy abused prescription drugs, OBAMA abused ILLEGAL DRUGS...Do we want to dredge up all the skeletons in Mrs. Obama's closet? If you are going to pick on one, then by GOSH pick on the other.

                                                                    Do you really think that the only issue that women care about is abortion...seriously, there are other issues that women care about as well, such as GENDER BIAS...guess you don't care about that though!

                                                                    Do you really think that a GOVERNOR has no qualifications? If so, then don't you think a JUNIOR senator would have even less?

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                                                                      zzbowzerzz1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      I can say anything I want at a VFW convention or an American Legion Post. I retired with 25 years in the US Army. You'd be surprised how many veterans do not like McCain. We discuss the coming election frequently, and I'd say over half do not like the guy. He and his campaign talk too much about his (?) record. Telling people you are humble as McCain has done is pathetic. I can sit next to veterans at the Post daily who have done things McCain would never do and they have never mentioned a word of what they went through. One veteran I had known for years passed away this year. When his widow was helping us prepare a tribute to him she showed us 2 Silver Star awards for heroism in combat he had received. He had never said one word about those medals to anyone of us all those years. That's how a true hero lives his life after the war is over.

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                                                                    miklkit1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    You do know that illegal drug use has gone up 116% amongst senior citizens. Do you really want to have a bunch of druggies in the White House?

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                                                                      Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      well, depends on which drugs and if they're willing to share :~)

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                                                                      szybki1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      John is a real American hero and deserves to be our President at this time in our history, he payed his dues to our country and by opposing his own party.
                                                                      Obama is still very young and in some sense naive about world we live in, he has always voted with Democracts or voted "present" not enough to get my vote.

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                                                                        cowboygrandpa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        szybki:

                                                                        By your argument. Kerry should have been elected and so should have Al Gore.

                                                                        Bush should never have seen the presidency since he was a coward who didn't even fulfill his duty.

                                                                        Not real smart are you?

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                                                                        pcknowledge1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        Ok, let's analyze the "experience" of the candidates we have to choose from.

                                                                        Months ago, Obama said he wants to pull our troops out of Iraq, a phased withdrawal, and let the Iraqis govern their own country. Bush/McCain ridiculed Obama's ideas for weeks. McCain even said he wants to keep our troops there for the next 100 yrs, if neccessary.
                                                                        A few months later, Bush/McCain announced Iraq's government wants our troops to leave Iraq, and McCain flip flopped and announced he will work to bring our troops home. Which is what Obama had said months before McCain said it.

                                                                        Months ago, Obama said he would hold diplomatic talks with Iran's Ahmedinejad, Bush & McCain ridiculed Obama. A few months later, McCain & Rice both, at separate occassions, said they would hold diplomatic talks with Iraq, with "pre conditions", whatever that means. I guess Palin is going to discuss home schooling and women's rights with Ahmedinejad, before holding "diplomatic talks?"

                                                                        Obama said he would go after Bin Laden. McCain/Palin didn't mention BL.
                                                                        Obama said he would stop the outsourcing of all of our jobs to foreign countries, McCain/Palin didn't say anything about the lack of jobs here.

                                                                        I cound continue...but in any case I'll take Obama's judgment over McCain's "experience." I would also take Biden's experience over Palin's experience.

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