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Posted By tdrapeau 1 year, 4 months ago in News"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibility" -- Sarah Palin, speech given at the Republican National Convention, September 3rd
On Propeller.com there have been many reactions to this statement. Member k312121 writes: "I am a community organizer in a large city in San Antonio. To discredit me only made me laugh. I can do this job in my sleep and that is why I have a real job -- at a private university. Obama's use of this title is abusive and irrelevant."
A post "Community Organizers Demand Apology After Sarah Palin's Attack" from thinkprogress.org contains a number of quotes from community organizations unhappy with the nominee's statement. FTA: "The last thing we need is for Republican officials to mock us on television when we're trying to rebuild the neighborhoods they have destroyed. (Community Organizers of America)" In the Propeller discussion, member miklkit reminds us: "Please remember, Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor".
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The AP picked up the story and titled it "GOP criticism angers some community organizers". Says John Baumann, executive director of PICO National Network, "If people in office were doing their jobs, perhaps we wouldn't need community organizers".
The website "Stop. Think. Vote." has an article (located here on Propeller) that informs us that Candidate McCain, after Palin's remarks on 9/3, canceled a scheduled appearance at the Twin Cities Habitat For Humanity build site. Coincidence? You Tell Us!
The Nation has an article (located here), "Community Organizers Fight Back", which quotes Jacqueline del Valle, a community organizer in the Bronx, "If Mayor Giuliani and President Bush cared more about working people instead of just people who can hire high-powered lobbyists, maybe I wouldn't have so much responsibility. Maybe working people would have an easier time in America today. But that's not our reality, and they don't have to mock us while we're trying to clean up their mess."
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TimALoftis1 year, 4 months ago
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TimALoftis1 year, 4 months ago
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To 'Belittle' or to laugh at what is known as 'Community Organizing' is a little like laughing at those that came together and worked in the 50's and 60's to form the Civil Rights marches throughout this great Country. If I was the GOP, I would not go down this road.
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mcstubble1 year, 4 months ago
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They run sh*t, they don't care.
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Their core audience doesn't watch anything political. They are just Republicans by nature.
it is truly sickening the amount of attention that is paid to Palin as a "gun-toting, hockey mom" as being a GOOD THING for America.
People won't stand for it. I just hope the Obama campaign really understands that the only way to get through to the white trash core of Republican life is with negative attacks....it's sad but true. Obama has been slandered to death, and even here in Philly, people believe it because its on TV.-
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lawtono1 year, 4 months ago
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Ms. Palin compared herself to a pitbull and perhaps she meant to focus on the tenacity of the pitbull. However, most people think of pitbulls as vicious, mean dogs, usually put to death when they attack people. Not a very flattering comparison.
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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pitbulls are smart, but not the most intelligent and loyal dogs. not even in the top ten for intelligence. Palin should have said "rottweiler" if she was looking to appear smart since rotweilers are smarter thatn pitbulls and extremely loyal. .
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and pitbulls aren't mean, unless some idiot owner makes then that way. they don't have some natural pre-disposition to go for the jugular.
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 4 months ago
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(Please, dear Lord, tell me you are NOT a registered voter).
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Dear, punk-ass white boy:
You are hereby notified that any/all of your general election voting rights are formally terminated. (Please leave the voting to the grown-ups).
Your time will be better spent in a remedial writing or grammer class.
Thank you.
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tprinter1 year, 3 months ago
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unfortunately you must have been a community organizer that didn't make the grade.
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Obama' community area is a bust--today it has 138 murders--more than in Iraq this year!!! If your candidate did so much as an organizer it really doesn't show in his south Chicago area. Maybe you don't have anything between your ears either. was your major weight lifting or skipping school??? sounds like you go to Jerimiah Rights school of indoctrination!!!-
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 3 months ago
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Dear, punk-ass white boy or white girl:
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You are hereby notified that due to your naivete above and beyond the call of duty, all of your general election voting rights are formally terminated. (Please leave the voting to the grown-ups).
Your time will be better spent in a remedial writing or grammer class.
Remember, the road to hell is paved with idealists.
Thank you.
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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Killer:
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You've already used that joke on this thread. Time for some new material?
If you believe I made some sort of grammatical error, please point it out. You're wrong--I made none. (I also know how to spell the word "grammar.")
I write for a living. And not a bad living at that. :-)
Now run along, and come back when you have something substantive to say.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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"Obama' community area is a bust--today it has 138 murders--more than in Iraq this year!!! "
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A) Now this is very perplexing news...According to you, Americans are more of a danger to themselves than Iraqis are, and yet it makes sense for us to be there (AND you insist that Bush has kept us safe since 9/11)? Wow...Now I don't know what cons want me to believe anymore. It's all so very confusing. ;-(
B) What's a "community area"?
C) What source are you getting your figures from?
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passengeratlarge1 year, 4 months ago
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fawcettmfawcett1 year, 4 months ago
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Get real - any volunter work is and should be apreciated at the least. He got NO pay for it which is admirable. He helped to register low income including seniors to vote along with helping them to get health care. I'm sure McCain has no clue what the phrase "low income" means. He's never once mentioned it in any of his dull and lifeless speeches.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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McCains multiple homes add up to MUCH more than Obama's house.
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I don't know where YOU are mah, but outside of Denver 1.7 million doesn't buy you any mansions!
Better get in touch with the housing market before trying to SMEAR Senator Obama.
OK, dufus?
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tchef1 year, 4 months ago
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Here is what he accomplished.
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After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[12][14] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[15] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.
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tprinter1 year, 3 months ago
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You didn't say that alot of that money saw its way into the wife's organization--those tenaments are now condemmed-unfit for habitation, and the murder rate published today stand at 136--more than soldiers killed in action this year!! Plus he bought property undervalued an now worth millions--I think he's pulled the bro cap over your head--really read all sides of the issues before you open your mouth with half the truth and results.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm still waiting to hear what Bush accomplished. We hear things like "Bush kept us safe since 9/11" (which is a lot like claiming that Bush picked his nose and the price of oil dropped by .50 in one day) but this isn't something that cons can say with certainty that Bush is responsible for. I wasn't struck by lightning this year either but I don't think I deserve a pat on the back for "keeping myself safe". ;-(
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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has either McCain or Palin ever done anything at the grassroots level where they dealt with real people on a day to day basis?
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if so I'd like to hear about it.
getting people registered to vote is pretty important stuff in a democracy, especially when one party is doing everything it can to make sure these people don't get to vote.
if your hat doesn't go off to people doing the very important job of voter registration at the grassroots level, then you're simply unAmerican.
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DiggerO1 year, 4 months ago
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To belittle or to laugh at a small town Mayor as the Uberllibs did is the problem, not what Palen said. What she said was a fact.
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You may not like what she said, but that is opinion. So in the future, please state facts first, then your opinion.-
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leprachaunred1 year, 4 months ago
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If you listened to her speech you would realize she was not poking fun at community organizers but at the "total lack" of Executive leadership that Obama has. It can not be denied, no matter what way you want to put it. The man is lacking in Executive knowledge which I would hope the American people want a truly qualified Chief Executive for the Oval Office.
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cc132601 year, 4 months ago
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Yes, one like John McCain who finished # 884 in a class of 889 at the naval academy. Sorry he got shot down in Nam but take a lokk at his flying ability. There are many other POWs among us but you don't hear them reliving it . Bless him and I understand it took her something like 6 yrs and 5 colleges to finish;another real flash of brillance or what?
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Sabretooth1 year, 4 months ago
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"American people want a truly qualified Chief Executive for the Oval Office."
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Please explain to me how electing 2 incredibly stupid people is going to help America? Do you go to the most stupid guy to handle your finances, fly your family around, operate on your children?
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BigBird10171 year, 4 months ago
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Sarah Palin did not belitte ALL Community Organizers. My two oldest children were Community Organizers, and agree with Ms. Palin's quote. Why? Because Barack Obama took $14 million of taxpayers money, intended for the poor, and channelled it to Tony Rezko. And this was done AFTER Rezko's housing projects were condemned by the City of Chicago! If Community Organizers would examine this issue with their minds, do their homework, they would realize the importance of Ms. Palin's statement.
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Beau78901 year, 4 months ago
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You did not quote facts, you confused two unrelated sets of facts.
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Obama worked to get money from the government for community programs as a community organizer. That money NEVER went to Rezko.
He voted for a bill that gave money to DOZENS of developers (including Rezko) when he served in the Illinois State Senate.
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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The Keating 5 issue where only Democrats were convicted is a non issue for McCain, but Obama going to Ayers house to Kick off Obama's political career is a Issue; since AYERS BLEW UP THE PENTAGON which is a terrorist act! . Obama also took a donation from AYERS. Now McCain did accept campaign donations from Keating- BUT THAT was before Keating did anything wrong. Obama accepted AYERS Kick off invitation and donation AFTER Ayers blew up the PENTAGON and Obama knew of this. YOU people really don't get this do you! The Clinton's didn't bring this up since Bill Clinton pardoned 2 people other than Ayers that belonged to the same terrorist organization that actually killed a person by their terrorist act! The Clinton's would have made their selves look bad if they would have brought up the AYERS link to Obama! So they DIDN'T!
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All John McCain did was go Hesitantly to a meeting with Keating. McCain told Keating he would come but only to see if Keating was being treated Fairly. That is ALL McCain did. He listened to both sides Whats wrong with that? When Keating asked for special favors McCain denied Keating ANY!
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/arti...
McCain was exonerated of all Keating charges along with Dem John Glen the other 3 DEMOCRATS were convicted. You see all John McCain and John Glen did was go to the Meeting with Keating neither granted Keating special favors therefore no laws were broke. AGAIN McCain did NOTHING for Keating, but three DEMOCRATS DID! and those 3 were convicted! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
The reason one investigator thought he and John Glen exercised poor judgment was that they went to the meeting.
I somewhat understand that, here you have someone in trouble which helped you get elected part of you wants to at least hear what he has to say maybe you can help in a legitimate way, but you better be prepared for a illegal proposal also..
John McCain had reservations about going, but through urging went anyway. Where John McCain showed Character is that he stood up to Keating and didn't take the wrong path, but that somehow doesn't get mentioned.
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-N...
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snoopie1411 year, 3 months ago
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You need to do some better homework, Rezko did NOT get $14 mil, his company that built the Senior Housing got $855,000 (total). not anywhere near $14 mil and it never ever went to Rezko.
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If you want to sling mud you should look into the Keating 5 for McCain and "Dairygate" for Palin.-
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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The $855,000 fee was part of the $14million that came from the taxpayers to build the project. The housing ended up being sub standard!
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/425305,CST-N...
Obama himself called the deal with the Rezko's boneheaded! While no illegal activities have been uncovered yet, the convenient timing of buying the adjacent lot and other things with the deal suggest that this may not have been a clean deal
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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QUESTION?
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Can anyone tell me what the Republicans are offering "mainstream" Americans? Americans who are not multi-millionaires or business owners? Americans who have not inherited family fortunes? Americans who know the importance of working as well as the reality of not having enough or having just enough after getting paid? Americans who live from day-to-day, paycheck-to-paycheck? Is it more of the same: no tax breaks, high gas prices, a failing economy, jobs being shipped overseas, wages being undercut by illegal immigrant workers, no health insurance, the possibility of no social security in the future, no immigration reform, no Pro-choice but more war, more national debt, the desire to reign "Supreme" over all nations, more of the same!
The Republicans are really out of touch with the very ones that the Constitution and Government was created to serve: The People-All citizens of the United States. They belittle Obama's noble and essential work as a community organizer without realizing the sacrifice and leadership that it takes to bring people together on one accord so that they will have a "UNITED VOICE" in the political arena. The nation's ability to stand is based largely on its foundation: The People. Community based organizations are the very foundation of the Government. Instead of working from the top down, which Republicans always do, it makes more sense to work from the bottom up so that the People's voices are heard, which is what Obama does. But Republicans don't want to hear from or serve "The People". They are "self-serving" and that is why they refuse to acknowledge the value of "Community". If this (negative campaigning and disregard for noble and essential works) is the only tactic that the Republicans have to win this election then "AMERICA" is in trouble!-
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busterggi1 year, 4 months ago
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1. the right to consider oneself holier than others cuz he loves only his followers
2. the to be racist & homophobic & sexist (to Demmycrats only) cuz they are different & therefore evil
3. the right to rape the natural world without taking responsibility cuz he will be ending it soon anyway
4. the right to invade other countries cuz they are filled with heathens and don't deserve their own natural resources
5. most important of all - the right not to have to think for themselves cuz his appointed leaders will do all their thinking for them.-
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granholley1 year, 4 months ago
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AT LEAST THEY OFFER MORE THAN NON-BELIEF!!!
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I THINK McCAIN WANTED TO UNITE EVERYONE, OBAMA WANTS TO SEPERATE AND DIVIDE NOT UNITE.
NO ONE BUT GOD CAN END THIS AND IT IS THE WORD,NOT IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT BELIEVE MAN WILL END IT.
I GUESS YOU ARE WANTING WAR IN THE UNITED STATES
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Beau78901 year, 4 months ago
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Even McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, says McCain's campaign is about personalities, NOT issues.
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In other words, McCain has ZERO to offer "mainstream Americans" but his sparkling wit. Can't imagine that'll prevent many foreclosures or bankruptcy filings. -
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mcstubble1 year, 3 months ago
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How can you seriously say that OBAMA wants to divide?
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Do people just not pay attention and then believer the commercials they see on TV??????
Please explain how WAR in the United States will come from electing candidates who DONT START WARS.
Please Explain....
Believe in being broke, because if McCain wins, 99.9% of Americans will be.
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Johnmich441 year, 4 months ago
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Man let me tall you something go to work and stop depending on the american welfare. When you fall you get up and going. What this nation needs is leadership and you think you are going to get it from Obama? here this is his life vote for him.
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A man can counterfeit love, he can counterfeit faith, he can counterfeit hope and all the other graces, but it is difficult to counterfeit humility.
Mr. Obama, had a Greek throne in a stadium, Stevie Wonder, and other singers and the hollywood "elite" including Olympic fireworks. He sought grandeur and he had millions of viewers watching his speech....
Then came Mrs. Palin, a woman, wife, mother, executive, mayor, Governor and a humble American, and delivered a speech that has moved this Nation.
Over 37,000,000 viewers saw her deliver a speech for the ages, that will inspire our struggling mothers, and our daughters dreams. Yesterday, our nation resolve got stronger thanks to this humble woman. She did not need Greek columns, 300 advisers or fireworks, because when you are genuine, the goodness of your heart comes out and blesses the people around you. We need as a Nation more people with convictions and integrity like this two candidates. Ladies the ball is in your park. America stand for your family and vote the right way.
My final advice to the American People; take courage, we walk in the wilderness today and in the promise Land tomorrow.
I am a Vietnam vet, and when I heard the speech last night I saw a man with conviction, integrity, and love for his country, a man with a mind set for the benefit of his country.
Then I saw part of the O’Reily interview with Obama and this is what he said, “ The enemy is Alqaeda, Taliban and radical extremism, they have distort the Muslim faith, he did not mention the 911 attacks you want to know why? Check this link, this is what the President of Lybia thinks of this man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2737QUBxFY
He be-littles women all over the place. NO RESPECT FOR THE WOMEN OF THIS COUNTRY. Now he is asking Hillary for help. No Honor.-
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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ah, you were a Giuliani supporter, I see. 9/11 happened 7 years ago. Sooner or later, you are going to have to move on. "Go shopping" as your president said. You can't base your entire life and your entire world-view on the events of one day and the terrorist work of a couple of dozen radicals.
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breszel1 year, 4 months ago
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Willottica, are you kidding me? Move on? 2,000 people are murdered on our own soil, and you say " it happened 7 years ago...move on'.
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How would you feel if someone came into your house and murdered your family tomorrow, do you think seven years from now you would have moved on? You say you can't base your entire life on the events of one day, oh really? There are some major events in history that took one day, or less to happen, and affected people's lives for years. Did you ever hear of Pearl Harbor? How about the handful of Radicals back in Germany in the 1930-40s, did you ever here of the Nazis? They only managed to murder 6 million people. But that was 50 years ago I guess we can forget about that, right? You are a moron. Pick up a history book.-
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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Yeah, it happened 7 years ago, and you've sent more than 4,000 to their deaths in retaliation since then.
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The people who carried out the attacks are all dead. The only person that is known as an orchestrator isn't even being hunted. There's no one country to blame, no one government that is responsible. Do you have a better solution than "move on"? I'd like to hear it.
Pearl Harbor was one day? Okay... I'll buy that. There was also something definite that could be done, and was done, about it. Then Nagasaki took one day, and Hiroshima took one day. And hundreds of thousands of lives. Where do you think the Japanese people would be today if they stubbornly refused to move on? Do you think they would be world leaders in electronics and automotives?
As for Germany in the 30s and 40s, we've moved on! We don't brand all Germans as dictators and crazies, and don't form our foreign policy around the "threat of Germans" or the "threat of Naziism".
Moving on is not the same as forgetting, it's about keeping things in perspective. In exchange for 2000 American lives: 4000 MORE American lives and countless Afghani and Iraqi lives. That is not keeping things in perspective. That is lashing out at anyone and anyone, because you don't know how to cope with loss. That's like shooting up the office because you lost your job. It doesn't get your job back and in fact, makes it much less likely that anyone will hire you in the future.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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So where is Bin Laden? Has anyone checked Camp David to see if he's there or even the White House especially since Bush allowed his family to depart on planes that had been grounded. Ugh . . . either let 9/11 go or find Bin Laden and make him pay. If Bush wanted to kill Sadam he should have invited him to dinner and shot him. It would have saved a lot of money and lives! You are a Pro-Lifer right?
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Sabretooth1 year, 4 months ago
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Breszel, if you were so concerned about 911 then why did you not cry out when your President and VP would only speak off the record and behind closed doors? Why could they not speak openly in a time when their country needed to hear them? America continues on its way to becoming a third world country run by dictators, and people like you deserve no better, best of luck.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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Anti-american treasonous anarchist?
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If America is defined by her belligerence and vengeful spirit, then I'll give you "Anti-American," but by any reasonable definition of America, I try to be a neutral observer.
Treasonous? No way. I'm not American, so I'm in no way committing treason to question its methods.
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 3 months ago
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Dear, punk-ass white boy or white girl:
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You are hereby notified that due to your use of "pretzel logic" you are now hereby remanded to serve as an intern at your local smoke-free ACLU chapter.
Here you will be safe amongst your peers.
Upon completion of your internship you must return to your local community college for deprogramming.
Your time will be better served in a remedial math course or a professionally supervised anger management class.
(or possibly co-ed dodge ball)
Remember, the road to hell is paved with idealists. (Marxists,Communists,Smooth Jazz Listeners,Sonic Youth devotees,etc.)
Thank you.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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No one can decide if you're a nut or just a jerk.
Could you fill us in?
Every Conservative corporation I have to call has smooth jazz while making one wait.
Are they COMMUNISTS?
You should go GET the bast*rds...
Go on, go GET them.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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I have also served my country. Being a prisoner of war does not constitute one to be a leader of "people". McCain will be a leader of his "party". America has become a melting pot of all nationalities, races, creeds, religions and colors. These are the "people". The RNC is not representative of the "people". The supporters and the panning of the cameras at the RNC were not comprised of America's melting pot. The GOP needs to STOP, LOOK and LISTEN. The times have changed and so has America. Americans want to be represented in their totality. Not just by the RIGHT_WINGERS who only listen to themselves but by the ONE who listens to them. I have never heard Obama be-little any woman. This is news to me. Please give me an example. Be-littling is not the same as telling the truth. As for Obama's stage at the DNC, I didn't even notice it because I was tuned into the "message". When you close your eyes, open your ears and open your heart you can be in-tune with your spirit. Your spirit will tell you what's right vs. what's wrong. I think because you have sight and you see a "black " man you can't get with his vision. On the other hand if a "white" man was saying the exact same thing, you would tend to agree. Not to worry though, my husband has the same mentality. (Master-Slave syndrome).
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wic121 year, 4 months ago
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Check out Sen Obama's tax plan and see if you still think he's the best thing since sliced bread. It's not just income tax, it's every tax you can think of - like when you sell your home, get interest or dividends from savings or investments. Has absolutely nothing to do with his being black - has everything to do with his being so far left it's pathetic.
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Padre_Bear1 year, 4 months ago
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Unlike the lies perpetrated by the RNC Obama's tax plan will help everyone in America who is in the midlle class and lower unlike McCain's desire to simply continue the Bush cuts which has only benefitted millionairs.
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Under Obama's plan senior citizens making less than $50,000/year will pay no taxes, inviduals will experience a cut of $500 and couples filing jointly will receive a $1000 cut. Check the facts before you spread falsehoods.-
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wic121 year, 4 months ago
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I HAVE DONE MY HOMEWORK, you obviously have not.
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Capital Gains
McCain
0% on home sales up to $500,000.
OBama
28% on ALL home sales
Divend Tax
McCain - no change (15%)
Obama 39.6%
Inheritance Tax
McCain - no change (0%)
Obama - Restore inheritance Tax
New Taxes Being Proposed by Obama
Higher Gasoline Taxes
Taxes on homes of more than 2400 sqf
Natural Resource Consumption Taxes (electricity, wter, gas, etc.)
New taxes on retirement accounts
New taxes to pay for socialized medicine (se we can receive the same lousy level of medicine as third world countries.
And........I would not vote for McCain if it were he who was proposing these changes either.
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breszel1 year, 4 months ago
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If you like paying $4.00 a gallon for gas maybe you will love it when Obama taxes the hell out of the oil companies and they do what every business does, pass the cost on to the customer, YOU and ME. If Obama gets his way we will be paying $10 a gallon. But don't worry his government will pour that tax revenue into researchfor alternative energy, and we all know the goverment never wastes our money.
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Padre_Bear1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama's pan for dealing with gas prices includes the use of the strategic oil reserve up to 10% to dump oil on to the market when speculators beginning running up costs. Economists have reviewed this proposal and say this could presently reduce gas prices by a minimum of $ .50- .80/ gallon.
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JuneauIt1 year, 4 months ago
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Sorry, Angel, I most likely make MUCH less than you, and I'm STILL conservative! I'm very tuned in to my God zone these days, and my spirit shows me that government corruption advanced by lawyers (mainly the D party and PACs) is NOT right. Nor is advancing ineptness just because of "who you know" or how well connected you are in politics. I work for the government right now and see the hideous waste that goes on, only because it CAN, and because the D people at the top want to "justify" their existence of supervising more people than are necessary to get the job done. Frankly, it's a bunch of B.S.!
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Take a course in macro-economics at the same time you take the one in logic, k? Perhaps you'd understand then how growing the government and raising taxes truly messes up a market economy. Also, you should know that the Clintons STAGED their audiences. Ever notice how "even" the "supporters" were, behind them in the pictures? That was NOT by accident! Come on, get real! It's been DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS MEMBERS whove gotten us into debt -- NOT Republican administrations. [PLEASE RESEARCH THIS and GET IT!]
And, sorry too -- no, wait. I'm NOT sorry about this! I do believe we have to take care of ourselves -- people for ourselves, and people for other people, without force or regulation or decisions made by those who aren't even present in a situation -- rather than have the government take care of us. All that does is add several layers of crap between what's given (or forced out of even us poor people) and what's needed. Look at United Way and how much is donated vs. what is received by those the organization is "helping." And, look at the unions that have forced car manufacturers to close shop, leaving thousands totally out of work. They claimed they were "fighting for the workers." B.S.!!! They were LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS! Democrats are NOT on your side. They want you to not have a way of protecting yourself against government (something in our U.S. Constitution), they want you to pay more than possible in taxes (even poor folk -- hence two-income families nowadays having to pay for daycare and/or after-school gov't programs), and pay for illegals' hospital bills. Talk about special interests!
Perhaps your husband should set up a non-profit resource so he can help others who are in the situation he was in.
Just so you know, if a "white" man (and Obama's only 1/8 black which does not make him a "black" man) -- or for that matter, a white woman (such as Hillaryous or Smellosi) say the same thing as Obama, I STILL don't agree in raising taxes, increasing useless spending we can't afford the interest on, or supporting lazy asses who abuse the system because they "can," too. "I Can't Get Behind That!"-
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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You make some valid points. I do have a degree in business administration and am an analyst/programmer so I do understand both economics and logic but since government does exist then they should exist for the majority and not the minority. The majority of people are not wealthy, do not own businesses and do not have enough to conserve. I'm not speaking of myself as I have identified my position as being self-sufficient (by the Grace of God) but if you are in tune with God then you should have compassion for the less fortunate and "be" your brother's keeper or at least have his welfare at heart. God says in his word that the "poor" you will have with you always and that we are our brother's keeper. So this is not about "me". It's about those who are in need and we don't help them. In the bible Jesus says that if you do it for the "least" of them you do it for Him. Think about it. Oh, I forgot to share that I'm also a Christian, spirit lead. Be Blessed.
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wic121 year, 4 months ago
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I'm compassionate and I do what I can for other people - because I think it's the right thing to do. I don't want to pay exhorbitant taxes which will force me to curtail what I can do for others because I'll be trying to pay all the taxes that Obama wants to impose. We don't need more government (and government spending) we need less. We don't need more programs for those that refuse to help themselves. Like Juneault above, I can't "get behind that". I refuse to vote for anyone who wants to defeat capitalism and institute socialism. Check out the reply under Padre_Bear above for a list of all the new taxes Obama wants, which doesn't even state the new income tax levels.
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suekogirl1 year, 3 months ago
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I just don't understand why everyone is against what they deem "wealthy". It just is not fair. It is hypocritical to stereotype those with higher incomes as "spoiled" or "trust-fund babies". If this is America, and everyone should be "treated equally" should not the wealthy be included as well? This "make them pay because they can afford to" is an unfair stance.
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And for the record, 10 million would not be 10 thousand.
About five years ago, my dad paid 300 thousand dollars for his One million dollar a year sallary. 30%. and can you really tell me that a my dad, an economic consultant and graduate professor at university of chicago, did not work every single day for that money? Not to mention giving about another 50 thousand to charity and supporting my grandparents. So the excuse that "they can afford it" is not always the case. Im not saying to exempt the wealthy from taxes. i just think that all this hatred towards them is very very unfair.-
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Have you heard of voodoo economics?
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Have you heard of trickle down economics?
That is the foundation of what the republicons call good government. Theoretically, they are for less government, but the reality is just the opposite. The country and Wall Street all do better under Democrats. Please study this graph.
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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hey Junie-
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That being very tuned in to your "godzone."
You mean Dominionists or Creationists? Both of whom want to destroy the separation of church and state.
Nobody talks that way who isn't some kind of Fundamentalist.
What do you think of "God" telling George Bush to start a war of greed and attrition, lie about it, and give no-bid contracts to crony international arms dealers who sell to both sides?
Was that YOUR freaky God?
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detricg1 year, 4 months ago
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She didn't inspire me--and we are supposed to vote for her based on what--that's she' s a woman? She doesn't share our values. Hell, her disbelief in sex education for our youth as made a grandmother at 44 by her 17 year old daughter--she doesn't represent me and my values
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breszel1 year, 4 months ago
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Yes Detricg you are right, no parent who has talked to their kids about sex education has EVER had one of those children get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. I know all children, including yourself, always listens to every word their parents say and never does anything contrary to their parents' advice or instruction.
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ind061 year, 3 months ago
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Well, I'm not a Democrat, I guess that's why I'd rather have birth control handed out like penny candy everywhere and anywhere. That would be because abortion as birth control is simply foul. But, I understand that most who oppose abortion also think ready access to birth control an awful thing. As a Non Aligned Voter (as my registration card calls me) I would rather have seen Palin's daughter on the pill if she was going to choose to be sexually active. Better than a teenage mother or a "murderer" if you ask me.
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ihuman1 year, 4 months ago
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Did you see the RNC? Did you pay attention to the people attending? Did you see there the diversity that America is? Nooo! You saw only white blonde people, the elite of the elite. That's why they mock the little people that organize in neighborhoods. Pay attention if the reds get elected it will be a government of the elite, by the elite for the elite. As far as Mrs. Palin is concerned... she may be a conservative with conservative views, but not with a CONSERVATIVE LIFE! If she had been and had she tought the kids right maybe her teenage daughter would not be pregnact yet. By accepting the nomination in spite of this she is taunting this fact and thus giving an example for teenage girls to follow. BAD EXAMPLE, BAD INFLUENCE!.
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Also she came out fighting, but fighting with lies. 1) Obama did not say he will raise taxes in the manner she mentioned. 2) She DID APPROVE OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE, only she back down by the pressure of the people!.
Tipical hipocritical rich republican.
Regarding the stage, Obama had a building with columns. Mccain had what appeared to be one of his "little" houses. Only perhaps he did not realize it, after all he migh not know if it is or not, his. he does not know how many hi has. -
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mah12341 year, 4 months ago
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I think it is great that McCain is a veteran and I thank him for the service he did for this great country. BUT..., did anyone listen to him last night? How does the guy plan to spend 10 million dollars a week in Iraq and then promise to cut taxes? He doesn't have a clue. If anyone took the time to read Barack Obamas memoirs especially the one about his father they would know everything they need to know. Republicans are out of touch, we don't need another war monger president who lies!
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beverlieables1 year, 4 months ago
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I am a republican. My parents worked hard all there lives and they too are republicans. I am a housewife with two children. My husband works in a refinery. We live paycheck to paycheck. You cannot tell me democrats are not out of touch. As far as I am concerned every politician is a liar. They promise things that just dont happen. Obama promises everything and them some. McCain promises to do the best he can. Obama is cocky. McCain is humble. I am an American. I love my country. I want my president to feel the same.
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lawtono1 year, 4 months ago
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Dear beverlieables
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McCain "appears" to be humble. I have no faith in anyone who SAYS they will reach out to me and who owns 7 homes worth more than a million dollars each. HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU NEED TO LIVE IN? The republicans have accused Obama as being an elitest. What is more elitest than being married to a woman who is worth more than $100 million dollars? Wake up and smell the coffee. John McCain and the Bush Administration have RUINED this country for YOU, YOUR FAMILY and MINE! What makes you think McCain isn't a liar and will not say WHATEVER he needs to say. His choice of Sarah Palin has many of those in your party questioning his judgment as well they should. SHE IS NOT QUALIFIED and if you all think she is the GREAT HOPE for theGOP, you're going to have MANY sleepless nights. I wish you well. -
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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You are referring to the empty promises of McCain?
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McCainInNo8houses-
I think CNN says he has 10.
Its "McCainInNo10"
Or is it more?
He doesn't know...
He also can't remember if he is FOR or AGAINST torture of American citizens.
Could someone remind him?
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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You can't see the forest for the trees. Break that family curse! If you are living from paycheck to paycheck you need help like the rest of the "world" and need to vote Democratic. Politicians may be liars but Obama is sincere. McCain is a puppet! He has no input into his speeches he just reads the teleprompter. Obama writes his own speeches and his editiors review and refine them. Get the facts before assuming. Get out of the house and get your own opinion. Don't live your life in the shadows of others. Obama is not promising everything. He stated that he promises to be thinking of us (mainstream america) when he making decisions and revising policies. At 71 McCain can only promise to do the best he can. Don't expect much, he is 71.
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BigBird10171 year, 4 months ago
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Johnich44 - First, thank you for your service to this country. Vietnam was a unpopular war, but America's stand against Communism there demonstrated our resolve, which clearly lead to the downfall of the Soviet Union.
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Now, don't worry about Barack Hussein Obama. American voters will wise up to this actor, who has no values and is playing a role. The Democrats first tried to get Dennis Haysbert for the part, but he was already President on "24."-
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ncnlibra781 year, 4 months ago
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What are you trying to say? Are you so hung up on the Name Barack Hussein Obama? Do you research and find out what the name means. Are you that blinded by 9/11 that you hold a hatred for people with names like that. You know who playing a role John McCain, he is a great actor if he proclaims to care about the Nation. We are losing people in a war that was supposed to be about the war on terror (finding Osama Bin Laden) and then we jumped ship to Saddam Hussein who ironically was the reason for Desert Storm. Do you really think McCain wants this to end NO!!!!!!!!!!!! I thank his service to a war that really wasn't necessary but if he fought in that war isn't he a little too old for office. One foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. This Nation is ready for change and if you can't keep up, Then watch 24 and see what the actors are doing to save the world.
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McCainInNo81 year, 4 months ago
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What's wrong with being an actor BigBird? I'm sure as a red-blooded republican you idolize Reagan don't you. I live in CA. and I think schwartzenegger's doing a fine job. Now, what was it they did before they became politicians again? I forget.......
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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BigBird,
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Having the gift of discernment I can tell you that Obama is no actor and I've never met him. This man is sincere and wants the best for this country. He has displayed in his campaign that his intent is not to harm (unlike McCain). One thing I can tell you and I've never met the man. You ain't seen nothing yet! He can and he will get things done. If you're rich you may not like it so start moving your monies to off-shore accounts.-
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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BigBird-
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Obama an ACTOR?
Like RONALD REAGAN? Until he couldn't remember his lines (in 1985) or if his cabinet was committing treasonous crimes...
Gee, now you Cons HAVE to vote for him...
But McCain's the forgetful one (like Reagan)...
What a tough decision for you.
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Padre_Bear1 year, 4 months ago
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Your comments are so completely ignorant that one must wonder how you came to them. One must presume you know almost nothing of the welfare statistics which show that the vasts majority of welfare recipients remain on the roles for less than two years.
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The setting for Obama was not Olympus, That you don't understand the setting of the columns and the connection to the historical roots of of democracy in the Roman senate speaks loudly about your lack of education in the foundations of history and its significance to our form of government and its inspiration to our founding fathers. There was no throne just a man standing to speak among equals, 84,000 of them.
You must not know much about women because they will not fall for for Palin because they see through the smoke that got in your eyes and they will recognize how Palin's vision for America will harm schools and education and push America backwards in the technology race which is dependent on a proper understanding of science and its applications, not on the mythology of creationism. -
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bliss23001 year, 4 months ago
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amen.whom ever you are,every single word in your post is correct. republicans dont know what it is to work from paycheck to paycheck,those that didnt inherited family fortunes,they have no clue.they are out of touch with mainstream america.
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dsz54631 year, 4 months ago
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That's a pretty broad statement, bliss. I'm a Republican and I can clearly remember living paycheck to paycheck (sometimes working two jobs) while attending college. My husband and I paid our own ways through school, got our degrees, and went on to our chosen careers. I was a liberal coming out of high school and it was working my hind end off and struggling with paying the bills that MADE me a Republican. I remember buying ground beef and macaroni while watching the welfare mothers buy steaks and shrimp (and laughing about it) and tutoring at school just to make tuition and seeing students failing classes and not caring because they weren't paying for it-of course they weren't, I was. My taxes were paying for all of it. These were the abuses, of course, and I'd never deprive someone truly in need but it did get me thinking how my money was being spent and taxing working people like me and shoveling it away without any accountability is not what I want. Absolutely, feed, house, and clothe the poor, but don't allow layers of government to enable slackers to take advantage. To me, liberalism and its numerous social programs encourage a level of dependence on the government which is nothing more than a modern form of slavery. I find most of the people I know who use phases like 'the government should do something about that' are liberals and those who say 'let's do something about that' are conservatives.
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My husband and I started working for less than minimum wage and worked ourselves up to comfortable salaries. We pay our taxes, donate generously to our local charities, would much rather 'teach a man to fish' than merely feed him for a day, vote Republican, and we ARE mainstream America.-
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jd231 year, 4 months ago
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DSZ...bravo!!! I too was liberal growing up until I started working my way through school...no help from the 'Rents or Uncle Sam. When I saw my paycheck become non-existent after working hard I started to change my views. The out of control welfare state of the late 80's/early 90's also gave me a big push to the right. At 40 years of age, I have a great life with all the things I can ask for...which came from hard work, not a hand out. I live in a Blue state but always vote republican, hoping that enough people with common sense will get up and vote and by chance make a change. Stay strong in your views, your life experiences have brought you to where you are...by the way did I mention I'm a "anglo-afro-native american"..."If you are in your 20's and not a liberal, you don't have a heart and if you're in your 40's and not a conservative, you don't have a brain"...W.Churchill
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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Churchill was obviously a Republican and not a Christian because only your heart will get you into heaven which should be everyone's final destination. I believe in saving when I can but I also believe in living my best life today and let God worry about tomorrow but mostly when it comes to government I believe they should be working for the common good of all. Once you realize that we all are in the middle of someone then you won't look down on those you are not able to achieve what you have for whatever reason. be it lack of education, opportunity, mental or physical.. I don't not like welfare leeches but they exist thus is why Obama voted for the "Welfare to work" programs. Obama's approach is preventative maintenance, being proactive verses having to react. He just has common sense approaches as his first line of action. How do you not support that?
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Beavis1 (keep working on that lisp, its getting better)-
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SOMEONE has to pay for these WARS, too. So Republicans borrow from China until America is now beholden to Commies.
We should pay for our own wars, CONS, not borrow from Communist usurers!
Didn't your parents raise you up right?
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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I've never smelled such a rancid steaming pile of right wing horsecrap in my life as your post. You're college educated and you actually think Republicans got everything they have through hard work? Who do you think believes this? GET REAL. ;-(
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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Dsz, you can add me to that use to be Democrat list, with a story similar to yours. I worked at a Grocery store in the late 70's and through the 80's what you say was true- We as a nation moved away from the welfare state and that led to our growing economy. Many of todays young voters never experienced that yet nor should they want to. I know times are hard right now, but so was the late 70's and early 80's Double digit unemployment and double digit interest rates! We are not close to that now- but we had allot more government controlled social programs! I can attest to the fact that allot of welfare recipients were the ones with Steak in their carts and the non welfare recipients were more the hamburg type!
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wic121 year, 4 months ago
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dsz and jd23 my hats off to you! Couldn't have said it better myself. I too worked my butt off, sometimes 15 hours a day to build a small business. Before that I worked full time and attended college at night. Now Obama wants to tax me out of business and tax every dime I managed to put away for my retirement so he can GIVE IT AWAT FOR FREE to those who mostly don't want to help themselves. God help us!
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, beg for God's help. You, dizzy, and jaded23 are all delusional and I defy you tell tell me that you were struggling during the Clinton administration. Which President of which party gave you the largest government in history and the largest national debt and trade deficits in history? Which President of which party destroyed FEMA, the Justice Dept and our military, gave you multiple simultaneous wars, $4 a gallon gas and milk, unprecedented war time tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy, a dangerous food supply, hazardous toys for our children, mind-boggling debt for our grandchildren, and destroyed our economy? Exactly... Bush and cons did this. You're hopelessly misguided and it's inconceivable to me that you can vote for McCain and actually claim you're college educated. You can't be serious. ROTFLMAO ;-x
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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Under Carter adjusted for inflation gas is about the same as it is now and you had to wait in line for it! Under Carter 16+ interest rates for housing now its around 5%. Yes Regan started the Recovery by going into debt, see you call that seed money, without seed money their is no harvest. Everyone today is about how I feel now and have very little foresight! Obama's plan- Take away from those who put seed money away for retirement so at retirement they would have something and give it to those who didn't. If I work and build the crop (Regan years) its good but hard work I will be able to have a harvest (BJ Clinton years). In Presidential terms the Harvester and the Sower are often NOT the same person! It's Bush's fault mentality that doesn't look forward. What if we wouldn't have responded to 911 like we did. Do you know for certainty that we would be better off today? Do you Know for certainty that we would still be a Free Nation? Do you Think the sitting president of less than 9 months really is the one who caused the 911 terrorist act ?
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Lets see how Obama responds on a couple of issues - We should surrender and leave Iraq we can't win it. McCain surge IT WORKED for both us and Iraqi people! Moral issues Obama homosexuality is fine; how have past great nations handle this type of moral decline well there was the Romans -oops their gone; There was the Greeks- oops their gone. All great Empires that fell, fell due to moral decline From Sodom and Gomorrah through the Greeks, and the Romans
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wic121 year, 4 months ago
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dsz and jd23 my hats off to you! Couldn't have said it better myself. I too worked my butt off, sometimes 15 hours a day to build a small business. Before that I worked full time and attended college at night. Now Obama wants to tax me out of business and tax every dime I managed to put away for my retirement so he can GIVE IT AWAT FOR FREE to those who mostly don't want to help themselves. God help us!
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SFCRET911 year, 4 months ago
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If anyone believes that McCain and his running mate are going to make things better, then you must already have more money than you can spend. McCain stated a few days ago that middle class was those that are earning $5,000,000.00, so how many of American's do we have that are middle class and earning that much money? They are out of touch with what is going on with the American people. I have seen quiet a few Presidents and I have never seen one Republican that cared about the people, only the rich. Also has anyone seen the movie on McCains life story and when he was a POW, it left a lot of questions, and some of them are really scary. Also from what I have seen, he has a very difficult time remembering things, but when we get that old, we forget a lot. The highest office in the land is not a place for someone that is that forgetful. Though I question some things he did in the past, I do respect the fact that he served in the Military during a war, but not enough to vote for him to be President. We need a President that will move this country forward and create jobs, do something about health care, gas prices, and the war that Bush started.
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 3 months ago
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Dear, punk-ass white boy or white girl:
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You are hereby notified that due to your misleading and downright untrue earning statement "quote" from above, all of your general election voting rights are formally terminated. (Please leave the voting to the grown-ups).
You must now return to your local community college for deprogramming.
Your time will be better served in a remedial math course or a professionally supervised anger managment class.
(or possibly co-ed dodge ball)
Remember, the road to hell is paved with idealists. (Marxists,Communists,Smooth Jazz Listeners,etc.)
Thank you.
From your friends at Central Planning
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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You seem to hate youth.
Are you really OLD or something?
You are kind of repeating yourself and we thought it might be propeller but it is definitely some kind of brain farts you're having...
Better check on that...
Maybe you just THINK really old and ossified. The tired old insults you are spewing go back quite a ways...
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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sounds like you disrespect older people! Since I am now older, not quite a senior yet I have learned that the BEST advice I've received through life came from not the young, but the wise with age! While not all old should be sitting in the Oval Office there is a point where one is too old and that varies. One person might be too old at 50 while another would be fine at 80! McCain is clearly healthy enough. He was healthy enough to run a campaign that went from last place to first in the primaries and follows a active regimen. Obama is the one that needed vacation in the middle of his campaign not McCain! I see who has their priorities right just on that issue ALONE! I want a President that will answer that 3 am call!
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BigBird10171 year, 4 months ago
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AngelInArmor - Barack Obama's community service was not honorable and was clearly self-serving. He gave money - taxpayers' money, intended for the poor- to convicted slumlord Tony Rezko. That was at least $14 million, documented, and could be much more. Rezko, in turn, helped the Obamas acquire a $1.7 million mansion. How did they qualify for the mortgage on a community organizer's salary? My two oldest children were community organizers, for an extended period of time, and made little more than minimum wage. They performed their service to the community for the satisfaction this service provides, not to acquire a multi-million dollar mansion. Please do your homework on this issue.
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Padre_Bear1 year, 4 months ago
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BigBird there is not a fact concerning Obama and Rezko that you have right. That issue has been vetted by several independent fact check organization, including the Annenberg Institute FactCheck.org, and each one has found there is no connection between Rezko's corruption and Obama and the sole letter Obama made for that project was not requested by Rezko and was to the direct benefit of low income families in the region.
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Furthermore, the property that Obama bought from Rezko's wife as a neighbor created a profit for Rezko at market price not any special deal for Obama.
Stop listening to the gossip and do some real research and stop the lies.
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triplejjj1 year, 4 months ago
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Thanks Angelin...The sad part of this whole thing is, a lot of the smiling faces we saw this week at the convention are some of the exact "mainstream" Americans... that are willing to be apart of an election that would put another multi-millionaire in the office of President. A gentleman that has not a clue as to how it feels to sit down and make a monthly budget that runs out of money before the month runs out. Someone that does not have to be concerned about the life issues that concern '"mainstream" Americans...
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clark165c1 year, 4 months ago
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AngelInArmor, you should be AngelwithHeadinSand. Your comment, "Is it more of the same: no tax breaks, high gas prices, a failing economy, jobs being shipped overseas, wages being undercut by illegal immigrant workers, no health insurance, the possibility of no social security in the future..." shows you haven't been tuned into what is actually being said, but only to the "Obama charisma". This is exactly why young, unsophisticated voters are blind followers of him. Don't you know that Obama and all democrats will RAISE your taxes? Its a common misperception among democratic voters that tax breaks only benefit the rich & big businesses but that is WRONG. Corporations don't even "pay" taxes. They just offset them by raising their prices which affects us, the consumer. And as for jobs being shipped overseas, this is because domestic corporations don't get the same tax breaks that OUR GOVERNMENT gives to foreign corporations, and therefore cannot compete here. This is why Republicans support the Fair Tax Plan. Giving tax breaks to big companies will bring them & their jobs back to the US and result in significantly lower prices for consumers. The Fair Tax will also drastically reduce the amount of tax evasion - which is committed more often by the wealthy (and illegal immigrants). This overhaul would result in such a huge increase in tax revenue, it would make up for the tax cuts all current taxpayers would receive, AND would fund the failing Social Security & Medicare programs. It is a WIN - WIN proposition!!! But Democrats want naive voters to believe that GOP wants to hurt us with more taxes, when they (Democrats) are the ones trying to do that.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 3 months ago
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The proposed tax that Obama suggests is for the common good of all americans. For the record, I'm not as young as you may think. If this Fair Tax Plan would work so well, why hasn't Bush implemented it? I know, because we can never compete with countries that work of pennies a day!
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clark165c1 year, 4 months ago
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AngelInArmor, you should be AngelwithHeadinSand. Your comment, "Is it more of the same: no tax breaks, high gas prices, a failing economy, jobs being shipped overseas, wages being undercut by illegal immigrant workers, no health insurance, the possibility of no social security in the future..." shows you haven't been tuned into what is actually being said, but only to the "Obama charisma". This is exactly why young, unsophisticated voters are blind followers of him. Don't you know that Obama and all democrats will RAISE your taxes? Its a common misperception among democratic voters that tax breaks only benefit the rich & big businesses but that is WRONG. Corporations don't even "pay" taxes. They just offset them by raising their prices which affects us, the consumer. And as for jobs being shipped overseas, this is because domestic corporations don't get the same tax breaks that OUR GOVERNMENT gives to foreign corporations, and therefore cannot compete here. This is why Republicans support the Fair Tax Plan. Giving tax breaks to big companies will bring them & their jobs back to the US and result in significantly lower prices for consumers. The Fair Tax will also drastically reduce the amount of tax evasion - which is committed more often by the wealthy (and illegal immigrants). This overhaul would result in such a huge increase in tax revenue, it would make up for the tax cuts all current taxpayers would receive, AND would fund the failing Social Security & Medicare programs. It is a WIN - WIN proposition!!! But Democrats want naive voters to believe that GOP wants to hurt us with more taxes, when they (Democrats) are the ones trying to do that.
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Filucy1 year, 3 months ago
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You truly should run the numbers before you claim this their proposals are both available. In fact if you make $250,000 your taxes with Onama will go down around $2200 amd change. With McCain they will go up as he intends to tax health insurance benefits and then give a $7,000 credit assuming a family of 4 that would be an extra $12,000 added to your income you would have to pay taxes on. I am an engineer numbers are my thing but anyone can do the math. We will not know how bad the situation truly is until Bush is out of office. But lifting the 95% is the quickest way out of this mess. To get things rolling again we have to have money to spend.
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leprachaunred1 year, 4 months ago
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really noble, let me jump on someone else's bandwagon. Oh yeah!!!
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We need someone with true experience, not someone who was elected for just two years as Senator. What a laugh. No one can truly say they have experience after just two years. He can't count the two he has been running for President because he hasn't been there. So who is self-serving? John McCain has proven over 20 years that he can be there and do it. Community based organizations are great and do a lot of good things but they do not give Obama the experience he truly needs to be President. Sorry about that but it is true. -
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 3 months ago
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Dear, punk-ass white boy or white girl:
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You are hereby notified that due to your intentionally misleading and mean-spirited interpretation of "The Hokie-Pokie" (Top to bottom, side to side, up and down? Wha..?) , all of your general election voting rights are formally terminated. (Please leave the voting to the grown-ups).
Please return to your local community college for deprogramming.
Your time will be better spent in a refresher course on critical thinking.
(or possibly co-ed dodge ball)
Remember, the road to hell is paved with idealists. (Marxists,Communists,Smooth Jazz Listeners,etc.)
Thank you.
From your friends at Central Planning
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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"Can anyone tell me what the Republicans are offering "mainstream" Americans?"
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--If those on the right are honest (LMAO...I know, right?), they'll admit that their sole reason for backing McCain is that he calls himself a Republican and they'll say or do anything to keep a Republican in power and hold onto their tax cuts. Otherwise their decision making is totally illogical and irrational. They rejected McCain for Bush after Bush and his supporters painted McCain as a liberal, claimed he was unstable and unfit because of his years as a POW, and launched a smear campaign claiming he had an "illegitimate black lovechild." Up until McCain got nominated, he and Bush were virtual enemies and cons still claimed he was a RINO (his campaign flatlined a year ago after he backed "amnesty").
So basically cons passed over McCain because they believed Bush's lies (a fact which they would now have us all believe is totally irrelevant and forgettable) and that even though McCain voted in alignment with Bush 95% of the time, he's a "maverick" who represents change, and they trust him (even though they were screeching exactly the opposite about him up until he secured then nomination). Cons? Who do you think actually believes your lies and why do you still insist that you're of sound mind and judgement after what you've dragged our country through in the last 8 years? Seriously, cons...Is it crystal meth? What? ;-(
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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Wake up people. Palin was not disparaging Community Organizers.
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She made a COMPARATIVE statement that no INTELLIGENT person would disagree with.
She implied that the CO position does not have the level of accountability and expectations as does a municipal executive.
How many COs are elected?
How many COs face media scrutiny?
How many COs have had to face down angry crowds or angry constituents?
How many COs have had to lay off people or deal with disgruntled employees?
There may have been a few, but, no where near what municipal executives have to deal with.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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Regardless, it was an offensive statement and in ill-taste. If the McCain/Palin ticket wins then America is really in trouble! This ticket is not in touch with America (The People). They continue to march to their own drummer . . . the Rich, The Few, The Proud, The Republicans. What about "mainstream" Americans? They probably belittle them as well. I didn't hear a thing about what they intend to do for the "mainstream". That's all Americans really care about. National security comes second to surviving from day to day. Most Americans don't have enough to "conserve" and that's why they should all vote as Democratic or Independent. If the Republicans win this election they will have to steal it. America is tired of the same ole' same ole'.
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jcm31 year, 4 months ago
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"I didn't hear a thing about what they intend to do for the "mainstream". That's all Americans really care about."
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I don't expect the government to do anything for me. They should only provide services like police/fire and roads etc. The thinge that are too complicated for individuals to do alone. I'm not looking for a handout and I'm an American.-
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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Well, government continues to feed the pockets of the wealthy, make tax loop holes and bail out Fortune 500 companies with the tax dollars that we the "mainstream" give them. Why should we not expect them to do something for us? Get Real! If I could bring home my gross pay then I would as happy as an illegal immigrant on Friday, get drunk and crash my car into whoever and whatever was in the way! Hey, I work hard and I need every dime I make (an no I'm not poor; neither am I rich).
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marcmad1 year, 4 months ago
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Angel,
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I'm with ya on that one. Bringing home the gross pay would be outstanding. But, how will Obama occomplish that?
Again, remember all the campaign promises made to get Dems elected to the House and Senate last election. Did they actually do anything to fulfill them?
If you're still complaining about the same things, then the answer is a resounding -- NO.
You'll get no different from Obama.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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Being "American" in not a gift! If you were born in America to a legal citizen of America then you are automatically an American. It can be considered a fortunate event but not a "gift". P.S. I work and own a business as well as rental property but all of that come with overhead!
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Like Exxon ADMITTING to paying tens of millions of dollars (from Amreican pockets) to false crackpot 'scientists" to LIE about the nature of global warming climate change for decades so we couldn't work on solutions to the problem?
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Were the false scientists YOUR OWN?
And what was TAKEN CARE OF?
Profit for Exxon only.
THIS is how your Republican plan works out for everyone.
Crappy.
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dsz54631 year, 4 months ago
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Precisely. Liberals want the government to take care of them and the Liberal government fosters the notion that the people are too stupid or too lazy to take care of themselves because they need to be needed. They feed the idea that the poor should hate the rich. Conservatives want the poor to emulate the rich so they can succeed as well. Most of today's middle and upper classes did not start that way, they earned it. And with their success comes the opportunity to provide jobs for others. But, it's work and that's a four letter word That's distinctly un-American. Our pioneer forefathers would turn over in their graves.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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"Liberals want the government to take care of them."
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First off, I call bs. Liberals want the government, it it's going to be taking the people's money, to put it to programs that benefit the people.
"Conservatives want the poor to emulate the rich"
What if the poor don't like what they see in the rich? Jesus certainly didn't like what he saw too much, but then again, I guess he was poor, so of course he was jealous. I think most in the middle class would rather see their taxes going to help the poor than going to help the rich and the politicians (I think that's fairly universal). There's some disagreement as to whether they want to help at all... but the Conservative Party has continually shown that it will continue to take the money of the middle class, they ALWAYS spend more than democrats.
For that reason, I will continue to favor the democratic party since at least they spend less, and at least claim to want to use their spending for the benefit of the people.
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marcmad1 year, 4 months ago
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AngelinArmor,
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"America is tired of the same ole' same ole'."
We heard the same rhetoric in the last two election. Let's recap the outcome.
The Democratic Party took control of the...let's say it together...House and the Senate. Remember, you all ran around celebrating that the poeple had spoken and you were finally going to "Right this ship".
But, here you are, two years later, still spewing the same rhetoric. Didn't your "savors" in the House and Senate, "Right the ship?"
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marcmad1 year, 4 months ago
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Always the "haters."
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Bush is not my Cronie, although I may be his.
Vetoing "pork" is not the same as standing in the way of your champioins of change.
One more time...They control the House and the Senate. Are you telling me that the President has single handedly stopped all of the world saving that the Democratic Party would have done.
Wow, that Bush is one tough nut!! That's one of the prerequisites of a leader.
When will the Dem's put up somebody with that much backbone?
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ncnlibra781 year, 4 months ago
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Bush is just that a tough nut. Dumb as hell and incompetent. That is why we are in the position that we are in. Hell his father did a better job than him. He will probably go down in history as the worst president there ever was in the 21st century.
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trirail1 year, 4 months ago
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The Republicans had the House and Senate for six of the last years and the office of the President. What did they accomplish when they had control? A weaking economy, job losses, more taxes,less infrastructure being taken care (remember the bridge that fell down in Minnappolis),education going down the drain, the stock market going crazy and going down, and yet the Republicans blamed all this on the Dem's. I don't want more of the same and I don't see a PTA Mom who was Mayor of a town, that when she was Mayor had less 6,000 residents, the proper person to be a heart beat from being in control of the U.S. In fact I don't want more of the same under the Republicans. They have had their chance and today we are worse off than we were eight years ago!
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frusdniw1 year, 4 months ago
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Democratic majority in Congress means no change because they don't have 2/3 majority to override President's veto or 2/3 majority to get bills past the Senate. What's the Dem advantage in the Senate? 51-49? BFD! We still have gridlock, baby. But let's elect McCain, who has Phil Gramm as economic advisor - the man most personally responsible for the subprime mess. Get a clue!
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erudol811 year, 4 months ago
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I'm an American, I'm also conservative. Does one or both of the previous assertions somehow disqualify me from me being one of The People? Because the McCain/Palin ticket resonates with me.
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Do I only get to be considered "mainstream" by your definitition?
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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I just borrowerd the slogan without the intention of offending the Corps. Sorry, I am a Navy vet! I have all respect for our armed forces in whatever capacity I just thought that slogan fit the Right-Wingers perfectly!
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I apologize if you're truly offended.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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No, Palin's remark, whether intentionally or not, WAS DISPARAGING. She all but said that community organizers have no responsibilities.
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Are they elected? -- Who cares? Being elected only shows you can win a popularity contest. (And jobs that require elections usually also offer perks)
Do they face media scrutiny? -- Well, the CO in question here has faced just as much media scrutiny as the Governor, what was your point here?
Do they have to face down angry crowds or constituents? -- Has Sara Palin had to? I think that community organizers face down many more angry "constituents" (read community members) than governors. Governors tend to be sheltered, whereas COs deal directly with the people.
Do they have to lay off people or deal with disgruntled employees? -- Yes. Even with a low-respect job like a CO, you still have to sometimes make those hard decisions and deal with people who make it hard to work. It's probably even harder, because those people don't get paychecks. How do you fire a volunteer? Sometimes it has to be done. Disgruntled employees? You bet. And disgruntled people. On a daily basis. You've never worked in customer service, have you?
A mayor has scrutiny. And a mayor has responsibility on paper. They also have official power to get things done. Sara Palin delegated most of her responsibilities. She's facing scrutiny now (and not coming out squeaky-clean, either).
A community organizer has no power except hard work. They tend to fight against beaurocracy that prevent people from achieving their potential, and they tend to work long hours for little or no respect.
Sara Palin, in her speech, has just officially endorsed (on behalf of the Republican Party) that lack of respect for the hard work done by community organizers. I read that part of her speech and I was appalled. This careless talk, that belittles and ostracizes, has also marked the McCain campaign. The campaign likely will and should suffer a setback because the Republicans just put the lie to their words. They don't care about the contributions of the little guy. They don't care about the struggles of the people, and the struggles of community organizers to try to make things better. They care about the power of bureaucrats and money-makers.-
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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Will - you read WAY TOO MUCH into a simple comparative comment that the vast majority (99%) of people will agree with.
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If the obvious is disparaging to you, then, get over it!
Even if all of your criticism against Palin is true/correct, that does not invalidate her statement or my position regarding her statement.
Palin's shortcomings or failures as an elected official have no bearing on whether a mayor has more responsibility than a CO.
You are entitled to your opinion, but, you are not entitled to distort the truth.
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JD701 year, 4 months ago
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First, I've taken an advanced logic course at a top American college (and got an A in it). So I hope you won't use that to discredit *my* response to you.
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Secondly, it was not a simple logical statement, it was an orchestrated campaign which went through several speeches, including Giuliani's, all written by the same people, to diminish the status of community organizers.
Thirdly, it may be true that many people believe that, but if so a lot of people are incorrect. Small town mayors have very little responsibility. Many locals may not know who their local mayor even is, and few can list something particular and productive they have done. The mayoral/executive job in small communities can be a leadership role, but it can also be an extremely tiny bureaucratic role. The budgets of small towns usually have few sources of income to rely on; they often do not even have the legal power to levy local taxes. Many times they rely on the state to provide them with a police department, and many have only volunteer fire deparments.
Some community organizers, on the other hand, are responsible for the life and death of individuals. I'm not claiming that Obama was one of them. But anyone who's been an activist working with, say, disabled, elderly, or sick people has every right to be offended by an orchestrated party campaign to rechristen the words "community organizer" as an insult.-
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BigBird10171 year, 4 months ago
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reidgator - JD70 doesn't realize that the vast majority of small-town mayors must provide fire, police, EMT, meals-on-wheels, public works and infrastructure repair services, just to name a few, on a very small budget. Perhaps JD70 lives in Beverly Hills or Santa Monica or Palo Alto, where an arugula shortage is the biggest crisis the mayor must face!
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snoopie1411 year, 3 months ago
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Actually thats NOT quite true, there are alot of small towns where the Mayors are basically a figureheads. All public works, police,fire, repairs all are done through the city council, that meet 1-2 times a month, and when emergencies occur. I was a city clerk for one such town of 10,000 pop. The mayors most often had another job as it wasnt full time paying job.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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This was not a simple comparative comment. It was a sarcastic "statement". She's earning her demerits quickly just as McCain did when he was at the Military Academy. By the was can you tell me why a "trouble maker" was nominated to be the next President of a country who proclaims to be "peaceful"?
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JuneauIt1 year, 4 months ago
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Reidgator, you ROCK!!!! You've DEFINITELY got smarts, and the reason and logic to back them up. Great for you!!! Don't know you, but I like you already, just seeing your comments to AngelInArmour's spouting of unintelligent rhetoric and use of emotion over logic.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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This campaign is EMOTIONAL for me because the Republicans fail to use logic. Logically if you do the math we could have purchased tens of billions of barrels of oil for what the war has cost the tax payers and we wouldn't be in the energy crisis that we're in. Logically we should not be shipping jobs overseas and thus the employment rate and economy would not be as it is. Logically why would a 71 year old man toward the end of his life want to or even need to run for the highest office in the US? Logic is out the window and Emotion has entered.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 3 months ago
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Well there is that saying; "You can fool some of the people sometimes, some of the people all the time, all the people sometimes,but never all the people all the time"
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Seems to me that Obama is finally a different direction and way of thinking that has been going on in USA for decades. Screw the Military Complex, Ike did warn you of it.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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I have taken a course in logic.
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Have you?
One of the things that I learned in my course is that:
"And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.
I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities."
Is not a valid comparative statement. A comparative statement makes a statement about A and then compares it to a statement about B.
A comparitive statement looks like:
A is like B because A and B both show trait X
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A is different from B because A shows trait X but B shows trait Y
'A is like B, except for trait X' could be a valid logical comparison (if worded better) but only if trait X is exhibited by A but not B (or vice versa).
Therefore, if it is a logical comparison, Palin clearly stated that A does not exhibit trait X. To translate, she (logically) stated. "Community organizers do not have actual responsibilities." If I were a community organizer, I'd be insulted.
For those of you missed it: Palin also said she would explain "what the job [of being a small-town mayor] involves"
Here's the entire explanation, I've decided not to make a soundbite out of it, because it was all too important to cut. Be forewarned, it's lengthy:
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HOLY SHlT!!!. Not ACTUAL responsibilities. And she had those? Why isn't she on the TOP of the ticket? I mean, someone who has had ACTUAL responsibilities must be pretty rare, right? I've never heard of anyone else having ACTUAL responsibilities!
Let's be clear here. I'm not belittling the jobs of a small town mayor. I'm not belittling Sara Palin for the job she did AS a small town mayor:
I'm belittling Sara Palin for spouting this crap and thinking people would buy it. I'm belittling her speech writers for writing it and thinking it would sell. And most of all, though I normally hate to this, I'm belittling all those who failed to listen to or read her speech and what a vapid statement that was. For failing to see how divisive and insulting making a statement like that could be. For using spurious arguments to defend a woman they nothing about except that she's the Republican nominee for VP.-
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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I took logic in college under Dr. Marlett who "wrote" the book. So I know the type of logic you're referencing, the IF and Only IFs, etc comprised of alph and special characters. This is not the type of logic we're talking here. I'm talking COMMON SENSE Logic like if it's raining use an umbrella so you don't get wet logic!
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reidgator1 year, 3 months ago
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Will,
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Excuse? What are you sniffing?
If you want to get "official" or "technical", a "comparative statement" is actually a financial report (or any numerical analysis) that compares two periods of times or two groups of data.
Regarding our language, elementary education teaches that there are four types of statements: interrogative, imperative, declarative, and exclamatory.
However, as our language does "evolve", any one with a brain can tell that a "comparative statement" is ANY statement that offers a comparison, explicitly or implicitly. (Do you know the difference between explicit and implict or do I have to define them for you also?)
Palin was responding to comments that belittled her experience as a small-town mayor and she compared that experience to the experience of a community organizer, hence, a COMPARATIVE STATEMENT.
You are wrong and too conceited to admit it!
If any one is spouting CRAP it is YOU. Get over it.
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marcmad1 year, 4 months ago
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Willottica, AngelInArmor, are you two paying attention? Your typing your fingers numb with outrage over the referral to Community Organizers. It was clearly a direct response to Sen. Obama's shot at small time mayors. Where is your outrage over that? Her respsonse was directly back to him. Nobody else.
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JD701 year, 4 months ago
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It would be nice if people actually paid attention to reality instead of relying on Orwellian talking points distributed by Fox News. Please list a quote from Barack Obama which in any way demeans the status of small-town mayors.
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Oh, the campaign made one off-hand press release about a small-town mayor leading the country of the United States? Which the candidate and VP candidate quickly rebuked? That's certainly comparable to spending a day of intense media coverage slamming someone for community service from the mouths of the candidates.
Besides, when Palin became mayor of Wassila, starting her road of 'executive experience', Obama was not a community organizer. He was a civil rights lawyer who had just been elected state senator. The truth is that no Palin defender wants to compare the job of a state legislator from a major city to her mayoralty, because anybody with any sense knows that small-town mayors don't have the kind of sheer constituent burden that cities provide. And her accomplishments in Wasilla do not make good copy.-
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leprachaunred1 year, 4 months ago
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JD70
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You are definitely right, I would not compare a lying, double-talking, flip-flopping Senator to a Mayor. For one the mayor has total responsibility whereas the only responsability the Senator has is to decide whether or not to show up to vote for that particular day or not. Huge difference in responsibilities. Mayor's will win over Senators any day.-
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Beau78901 year, 3 months ago
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Wow. And how long a period of time was that?
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I'd guess that her sole responsibility, after hiring someone to manage day-to-day affairs, was to apportion funds and keep a budget.
If we're generous and say she created $22 milliion debt for 6500 people, that's the equivalent of $4000 per person. On 300 million US citizens, with that record she'd create $1.2 trillion additional debt.
That's not good...though it's slightly better than Bush.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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Speaking of proper context... Obama did not ridicule small-time mayors in a nationally televised speech being watched by tens of millions. Replying to it in such a forum is inappropriate.
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So to answer your question: No. I'll not likely be paying attention to you nor the right-wing radio pundits. You have shown here, and they have shown time and again, that you (and they) lack the tact and the knowledge to make appropriate-sized responses to issues.
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jed14131 year, 4 months ago
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I agree. The Obama campaign makes it seem that he turned around an entire city area in Chicago. Have things changed there? NO, they haven't--I drive through that area frequently. Did jobs come back, did crime disappear, did people's economic conditions improve? The answer to all three of these things in NO. Face it, he wasn't successful. But he couldk away from his experience as one in a long line of COs who face overwhelming odds in trying to overcome the problems of struggling neighborhoods/communities, without any of teh intense scrutiny that a mayor or governor face. If he couldn't make it happen there, what makes anyone think he can make it happen for our entire nation?
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mecklin31 year, 4 months ago
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I can tell you what they are offering main stream America. I am also middle class. Do you want to pay higher taxes, small business to pay higher taxes, death benefits taxed? Do you realize with the tax hike Obama is suggesting that small business will no longer exist and more of our companies will have to move out of the states. Do you want a health system that you have to wait 3 months for an appointment and 6 months for a treatment. The doctors and the equipment will be the sorriest on the market. That is what the Democrats are offering you. Unless you are making $20,000 and less you are the one who is going to be paying these taxes to take care of those who don't work and if they do work they are only bringing in the $20,000 per year. Why don't people educate themselves on what is happening instead of just listening to someone telling them a fairy story. Life isn't free and if that is what you want then vote Obama. I am not a Republican nor a Democrate but I do vote for the person that will do the most for my country.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 4 months ago
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I understood Obama to say that he would give a tax "break" to those making less than $250,000.00. That he would stop giving incentives to companies who ship jobs overseas and that the big Oil companies would pay more taxes. I do make over $20,000.00/yr but under the $250,000.00 that he is proposing to tax. I currently have good insurance but still have to wait weeks/months for an appointment and still only get the minimum attention from my physician that I feel that I've paid for. As for treatment, the doctors have partnered with the pharmaceutical compaines to prescribe drug after drug to feed their pockets. My husband owns a small business and when cash flow is depleted this government has no resource for him. Only Fortune 500 companies get bailed out. So I agree with Obama's approach (and the Bible's): to those who much has been given, much WILL be REQUIRED. Why should the wealthly be able to get the breaks when they have enough to get the nation out of debt? Clinton's administration didn't leave us in debt. How did the "Conservatives" put us back into a Trillion dollar plus debt? You need to do your homework and vote for Obama.
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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Not sure where you get your information, but your post is full of misinformation
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1) Name ONE incentive given to companies to send jobs overseas!
2) If oil companies pay more taxes, you and I will pay higher gas prices. Are you OK with that?
BTW - while the "evil" oil companies are making record profits, their profit margins are lower than some other industries. Why don't you criticize them?
BTW - the taxes we pay per gallon (Fed/State/local) are much higher than the profits.
3) So you want to STEAL from the rich because they have more $ than you?
You mentioned the Bible. Please show me one verse in the Bible that supports that perverted mindset. In fact, show me a verse that supports any coercive taking of money from one person to give to another.
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JD701 year, 4 months ago
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"Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."
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reidgator1 year, 3 months ago
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JD70,
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Be careful with your Biblical interpretations. What the Bible SAYS and what it MEANS is not always the same (hint: read Luke 14:26)
Paul is saying that we must submit to governmental authority. If our government determines we owe a tax, we should pay it.
Paul did not say that it was right or good for the government to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. (Even if "legal" or "authorized", it is still stealing! It is still wrong. Slavery was legal, but it was wrong!)
Keep in mind that Paul supported his own ministry by making tents. He did not rely on "welfare". Yes - friends did take him in at times, but, that was voluntary, not coerced by the govt.
Also, keep in mind, 2000 years ago in that part of the world, any notion of "social welfare" was very limited. Taxes were primarily for supporting the military, the governental agencies, roads, schools, etc.
Yes - the Roman and Greek empires did initiate some level of "welfare" programs for the poor. And look what happened to those societies! Ask any historian and he/she will tell you that Rome and Athen collapsed from within due to many factors, one of which was excesssive taxation.
Let me offer you a comment from Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."-
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crespi1 year, 3 months ago
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Like the Bush Dynasty has done to America?
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I agree with you regurg, he IS a dictator, what with the destruction of so many long-standing American rights and depleting our treasury the way he has.
The Bible DOES try to warn us about creeps like Bush but no one reads their Bible anymore...
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erudol811 year, 4 months ago
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So, do you really think that just because you make less than $250K that your taxes won't go up, just because Obama says he's going to give the entire bracket a break? I've done my homework--I've read his entire economic plan (note: not the short version), and I can't fathom how he could possibly offer so many freebies to so many people without raising taxes on the middle class.
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I agree with you in that to whom much has been given, much will be required. Our differences end there. It should never be the government's job to enforce what is a personal responsibility. Anything else is socialism.
You also ask why the wealthy should be getting breaks when they could relieve our national debt? Because it's their money, that's why. Not the goverments, not yours, not mine. Deal with it. Besides, do you really think that giving goverment more money is going to actually solve any problems? Has it ever?-
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tiredof1 year, 4 months ago
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You realize you are the one's making this big oil companies CEo rich. They say that the people can't do without so they put the prices where there want. And they know you will pay because you won''t sacrifice anything fo get the point across that you are tired. People back in the 60's knew things weren't right so they took a stand and did not back down. They sacrifice Bus Boycott they wallked instead of ride.
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They knew if the pull together things will change. You seem like you don't want change. You want things to stay the same. Wake up people a change is going to come whether you like or not.
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RKER3211 year, 4 months ago
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A year ago I had the oppotunity to travel with a group of Canadians and one question that intrigued me was how did they liked their Health Care. To my surprise, they all loved it!!!!. They raved about the fact that there was no wait to get surgeries, One of them was recuperating from hip surgeriy and others had health issues, these were mostly elderly, What do you expect tourists. they are all old. LOL.
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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Hmmmm, sounds fishy to me.
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I have relatives in British Columbia. They travel to FL to get their dental work.
Some years ago, the mother of Canada's PM flew to Jacksonville, FL for her surgery. (At least their system did not show favoritism.)
Many Canadians have to travel south into USA for non-emergency MRIs. They can get one at home for their pet, but, not for themselves.
The real question to ask is: What do the Canadians think about our efforts to implement a National Health Care system? Most I talk to are unhappy with that effort. They see our system as a back up to theirs and they do not want us getting a National system.
Look at the facts - people from Canada and Mexico come to USA for health care. Few in USA go to Canada for health care (except Rx) and VERY few go to Mexico.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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I'm Canadian, I don't think our system is perfect, but I think it's a far shot better than yours. True, you have some of the best doctors and surgeons around, but they're only available to the rich. So some of our rich make use of some of your best.
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The majority of Canadians, if injured or ill in the States without travel health insurance, will go home for treatment; at least if it happens a second time.
I was volunteering to build houses in Mexico when my wife broke her ankle, and we decided to go to the States for care (thinking it better than Mexico). We waited for 4 hours in the middle of the night to see someone and when we were finally seen, a resident looked at her, mis-diagnosed her break as a sprain (after x-rays) and splinted the leg. We were billed $2000 for various and sundry including the service of a DOCTOR we never saw. My wife treated it as a sprain and it got worse. We got home, she saw a DOCTOR within an hour of going in. He took one look and knew it was a break (as our in-camp First-aider had said), had her in an air cast and we paid nothing out-of-pocket.
So as someone who has been through both systems and seen the treatment and the costs to those in need of care. I'll take the Canadian system any day. Don't look to our system as a perfect model, but at least the middle class can afford to get the care they need.
As for your 'relatives in BC'. The fact that they travel to FL to get dental work is comic. Truly. Canada doesn't have nationalized dental.
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ncnlibra781 year, 4 months ago
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Well I ask you this then: What has the republican party done to help with these same issues. We aren't able to afford healthcare let alone gas. WAKE UP our money is going towards that 10 million dollar a day iraqi war. I tell you this you may not like what Obama stands for and I'm not making excuses for those that take advantadge of the system but there are people out there who need the help and just hope that one day you don't have to experience government help. I see a man who is willing to try and make a change, not continue another 4 years of economic failure, sending our troops over to another country and leaving us vunerable here at home. Before you make your decision dig a little deeper and see what falls out of each candidates closet. God Bless America land of the free and home to the brave.
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mww9011 year, 4 months ago
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"The last thing we need is for Republican officials to mock us on television when we're trying to rebuild the neighborhoods they have destroyed."
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Oh really? Think again. Republicans didn't destroy your inner cities... DEMOCRATS did! If you live in a major metropolitan city, think about who the mayor of that city is and what his/her party affiliation is. I can almost guarantee you it's Democrat, not GOP. The only exceptions I can think of are Guiliani and Bloomberg in NYC. In fact, I bet in most cases (other than NYC) you couldn't name the last GOP mayor of your big city. The fact is Democrats have run most big cities (and run them into the ground) for decades. Add to that the fact that a majority of states have Democrat governors, and you can see that most of your anger at the GOP for the plight of the inner city is misguided. -
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jemiltd1 year, 4 months ago
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Perhaps you should wake up "gator". A thinking person completely understands that the best the GOP could do against a "Community Organiizer" is trivialize how much he has accomplished through a woman, beset with one drama after the other, who took six years and five colleges to finally graduate and felt it necessary to lie by omission (deception) to the American public over a "non-issue." and who put a little town in Alaska into millions of dollars debt, who was simply read what someone else wrote. But how about the audacity of that Obama? He actually woke up America with the notion of having a government for the people by the people. I hope all the community organizers out there know what to do now, with all that power they are perceived not to have.
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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And Obama "pledged to fix poltics".
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That is the oxymoronic statement of the year!
One of the biggest problems with politics & politicians is their constant pandering to their constituencies, making pledges and promises that they can not, or will not, keep.
Obama made a pledge he knows he can not keep.
The presidency is not responsible for the current sorry state of our poltical system, hence, Obama, if elected, will not be in any position to do anything about it.
Once again, a politician lied to gain votes!
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Johnmich441 year, 4 months ago
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Get a life, OBama insulted nad be-little small towns in america and you talking about community organizers? What else are you going to invent , morons. Community organizer does not mean that you have the character to be President of anything.
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kissyrb1 year, 4 months ago
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OH Please, like being the Mayor/Govenor in Alaska for 18 months makes you qualified to be the VP or President of this nation. More than half of your party knew nothing about Palin, just that she was pretty and confident. Now you're trying to sell her as such an experienced politician. If she is so experienced, why was she in hiding the whole time before her speech? She should know how to deal with the media already. She can throw a good punch, but she can't take one, oh we'll never know, cause McCain won't let her talk. Oh she's tough alright.
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You Repubs crack me up, everything that you criticized Obama for; you then turned around and tried it. Cause ur dry old grandpa had lost his own party's support. So first- you go get a nice looking, strong & clever person, with star appeal that can deliver a good speech (Palin). The same exact thing you ridiculed Obama for, you go and get and act like no one would notice. 2nd you go and steal the message of "change" because the stragegist McCain hired (which they just showed the other night on tv) did research with a live mixed group of voters, which showed that Obama gets more voters because of his message on change & that's what Americans wants. How ironic now, all the sudden McCain wants to "change" what he's been a part of for the last 20 +yrs. He was never an advocate for change, until 8 weeks b4 election day. 3rd-Now all of the sudden we're hearing from McCain, what we've been hearing everybody say about Obama, his ability to unite the country and cross party lines, now McCain wants to do that to.
TV coverage shows we were first on all of that. Find your own methods and stick to it, stop copying everything Obama does, and then criticizing him for it.
YOU MAY HATE US DEMS, BUT YOU GOTTA GIVE IT TO US. OUR WAY WAS WORKING AND YOU HATED IT, SO YOU SURE HAD TO GO OUT AND GET (STAR POWER) WHAT WE ALREADY HAD. YOU HAD TO CHANGE YOUR MESSAGE TO WHAT WE ALREADY OWNED (CHANGE), AND NOW YOU ARE JUST REALIZING WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW (UNITED WE STAND- GOTTA WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO GET THE JOB DONE RIGHT!)
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mah12341 year, 4 months ago
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I can't wait to see the debates. I think Biden will shred little miss Palin. Of course we already know that Obama will trampled on the "fighter" McCain. I thought he was for peace, so why does every word out his mouth say fight, fight, FIGHT. this sounds like more wars are prevelant.
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edwwhi1 year, 4 months ago
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Too bad! Being a community organizer does not qualify you for being president, end of story.
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Sarah Palin is so far more qualified than any community organizer is and Obama is saying she's not qualified. What is he saying about himself? It's true Sarah has made more tough decisions and has taken on more responsiblities as mayor and governor than Obama did as a community organizer. What is a community organizer, what do they do? Community Organizer is a low level position, Palin has held high level positions. It's o.k., just admit what she said in her speech was right on, SORRY....-
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin couldn't handle a town of 5,000 souls. She had to hire an administrator, and still took a town with no debt at all and dumped them $22 million worth into the toilet. Speaking of which, Wasilla still doesn't have a sewage treatment plant.
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Governor Palin? The first thing she did was get herself put under investigation. Who is running Alaska for her now?
Did you know that California has 53 Representatives and that each one of them is responsible for more people than live in the entire state of Alaska? How many of them are under investigation? NONE.
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Johnmich441 year, 4 months ago
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Not only he be-little the small towns he be-little the women of america.
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A man can counterfeit love, he can counterfeit faith, he can counterfeit hope and all the other graces, but it is difficult to counterfeit humility.
Mr. Obama, had a Greek throne in a stadium, Stevie Wonder, and other singers and the hollywood "elite" including Olympic fireworks. He sought grandeur and he had millions of viewers watching his speech....
Then came Mrs. Palin, a woman, wife, mother, executive, mayor, Governor and a humble American, and delivered a speech that has moved this Nation.
Over 37,000,000 viewers saw her deliver a speech for the ages, that will inspire our struggling mothers, and our daughters dreams. Yesterday, our nation resolve got stronger thanks to this humble woman. She did not need Greek columns, 300 advisers or fireworks, because when you are genuine, the goodness of your heart comes out and blesses the people around you. We need as a Nation more people with convictions and integrity like this two candidates. Ladies the ball is in your park. America stand for your family and vote the right way.
My final advice to the American People; take courage, we walk in the wilderness today and in the promise Land tomorrow.
I am a Vietnam vet, and when I heard the speech last night I saw a man with conviction, integrity, and love for his country, a man with a mind set for the benefit of his country.
Then I saw part of the O’Reily interview with Obama and this is what he said, “ The enemy is Alqaeda, Taliban and radical extremism, they have distort the Muslim faith, he did not mention the 911 attacks you want to know why? Check this link, this is what the President of Lybia thinks of this man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2737QUBxFY
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mountainmoron1 year, 4 months ago
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Get real. Palin knew exactly what she was saying when she compared herself to a "Community Organizer." Anyone who thinks otherwise is terribly naive, as are 98% of the people who have grasped onto Palin like she was the second coming of Christ [despite her having only been selected as McCain's running mate just 5 days ago, after relative obscurity anywhere outside of her home state].
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Palin didn't write her acceptance speech. Bush's speech writers did, and their comments, jabs, and blatant attacks were deliberate and premeditated. I can't wait to see how well Palin thinks on her feet without prepared comments. The media (especially after she blasted them, too) are going to have a field day with her, as will Joe Biden when they debate on Oct. 2.
How absolutely desperate is the GOP for leadership that they felt compelled to select Palin as VP to McCain? The likes of Huckabee, Romney, Ridge, etc. must be seriously re-evaluating their future with the GOP when a councilwoman of a town of 6,500 and governor for 20 months can trump their years of experience. Palin's comments about Community Organizers, the media, and Washington must have made them all wince in pain - as will McCain himself, once he sees this GOP party hack in action on the campaign trail. Pail's "15 minutes" will come to an abrupt halt on Election Day. Then she can go back to shooting moose, getting more of her ex-brother-in-laws fired, raising out of wedlock grandbabies, and lobbying D.C. for more porkbarrel funding for her state. Good grief - this is the best American can do??-
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erudol811 year, 4 months ago
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Maybe she didn't know exactly what she was saying. After all, she didn't write the speech, right?
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If you are so excited to see how Palin "on her feet without prepared comments", then you must have missed her speech the other night. Did you realize that while she was giving her speech, the teleprompter broke? I didn't see her miss a beat. I'm sure she already knew her basic talking points and had rehearsed much of it, but we all know how Barak does in the same situation (um, uh...well, uh).
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mountainmoron1 year, 4 months ago
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"Disparaging her and her family??" Sorry, but shooting moose, getting ex BILs fired, out of wedlock grandbabies, and porkbarrel funding of $27M in special interests for her home state of Alaska are not disparaging remarks. They happen to all be true.
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Oh, and big deal that she ad-libbed a lame joke about pit bulls and hockey moms when the teleprompter broke. Exactly how much rehearsal time could she have possibly gotten in between Monday when she was coronated by McCain and the time she gave her Bush-prepared speech?
I'm a veteran, an NRA member, a lifetime registered Republican, a longtime Family Values advocate, and a staunch conservative. But I can't for the life of me figure out what McCain or the GOP was thinking when they brought Palin on board. She adds absolutely nothing to the ticket. For people - especially Republicans - to build her up the way they have these past 72 hours (i.e. Sen. Leslie Graham's comment in his speech about her being the "best fiscal reformist in America") is just plain pathetic and shows desparation by the GOP.
"Tough guy?". Not necessarily. Just a realist, and someone who realizes this Queen called Sarah Palin has no clothes. When her GOP handlers finally let her start talking to the media, they're going to wish they hadn't. And before you go accusing me of being an Obama sympathizer, I'll spare you the effort because I'm not.
If McCain is elected, we had all better pray that he stays healthy and lives as long as his dear 96 year old mother, Roberta. Because knowing who second-in-command is if he can't finish his term should scare the bejeezuz out of every intelligent American.-
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basketpam1 year, 4 months ago
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Obviously you know little about women. Look at this woman's life. Just what she has juggled with her life and her career tells you she can handle just about anything thrown her way. Have you have been pregnant and delivered a Down Syndrome baby while at the same time performing the duties of Governor of a State? Those around her didn't even know she was pregnant until she was 7 months. THAT'S how well she did her duties. I have serious doubts if you could have done that. Either one alone is more than enough but to do both of them, plus run her family, deal with a teenage daughter, worry about her son just joining the Army, support her husband and everything else thrown in is MORE than enough to show me she can handle the job. On top of all this she probably still had to cook dinner and do the laundry every night. She's probably eaten tougher people than you for breakfast. Alaska is not known for its whimpy GQ manicured businessmen. Overall we're talking about men with lumberjack, construction oil drilling beer guzzling genes in their bodies running things. She's just spent most of her life not taking any crap from anyone, not even card carrying gun toting biased veterans like you.
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hawkhuntr1 year, 4 months ago
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what a fitting name mountain moron - for it is your attitude that is shared by so many that have put this country in danger. Mcain and Palin are sincere in their efforts. they stand for what america is and are not afraid to LOVE their country and SALUTE thier flag. Obama has no respect for the flag - you think he will have respect for your rights once he is in office.
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No person can stand up and make promises how they will change the world - and anyone who does is lying. take a hard look at gov corzone (democrat who obama is looking to for guidance) who made many promises to New Jersey on how he was going to reform the state and bring us out of financial trouble - he had experience running big business - but what did he do , he turned his back on everyone and increased our taxes and BROKE his PROMISES- so when OBAMA makes all those lovely promises on how he will solve the worlds issues - you can bet he just blowing smoke up your buts to get your votes (DID you really believe Hillary's speech too after she berated OBAMA then backed him up so lovingly when she had no choice??? the democrats are a bunch of liars. Mcain and Palin have said they intend to change the status quo - not with specifics because if they did they would be lying- no one can predict how they will make reform, but they can predict that they are on our side and they will take advantage of every opportunity to make the changes needed. Thier track record of doing that makes me beleive that the mean what they say. When you have a congress that opposes you every twist and turn - you may not be able to pass every bill you need to win the battle - but you can make a difference by finding alternative ways to make it happen - and i beleive Mcain and Palin are fighters who will make sure they find a way to make major imprvoements in a congress and goverment that is broken. Obama on the other hand does not instill that confidence in me. forget whether he is white or black and dont play the racist card - just look at who is a devoted american, who loves their country, who respects their country (and their flag) and tell me who you would rather have in the white house.-
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mountainmoron1 year, 4 months ago
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You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. Read my response to the previous post and don't assume you know who I support. I am no Obama supporter, and I am also no RINO (as you apparently are, hawkhuntr).
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I have no problem with McCain and I do respect him for his service and commitment to our country, although I do believe he will also have the U.S. in more wars in his first 6 months of office than Bush got us into the past 8 years.
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katsgotu1 year, 4 months ago
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Liberal Liberal referral to people from small towns . This country is made up of small towns . That is more offensive . I grew up in Philadelphia . But now live in the town of 6,000 . I do not want his type of government . Tax and say you are giving breaks . That's the Sad thing he believes they are . NO WAY !
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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How is your town doing financially? Palin left her town with a $22 million dollar debt. It was debt free when she became mayor. Does your town have a sewage treatment plant? Wasilla still doesn't. Does your town have a library? Palin tried to fire the librarian when she refused to go along with banning books. Can you say Nazi?
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Daphne00001 year, 4 months ago
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Yes the truth is the comment she made "what is the difference between a pitbull and a woman, answer Listick, scared the hell out of me, some pit bulls have a killer instinct with no regard for its victims, tear them to shreds, and carry on, well do we really need that kind of personalty sitting on the right side of MC Cane, I don't think so, she is a hot head, no thanks.
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ANNEE1 year, 4 months ago
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Are these Community Organizers low IQ or what? Anyone with a half a brain understands that she meant "responsibilities to the public " as in "public servant". Community organizers are only responsible to the candidate, and while important to the candidate have no accountability to the public.
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frusdniw1 year, 4 months ago
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Wow Annee, you obviously have no idea. Community organizers aren't political employees. They could be volunteers building homes, rec centers or churches. They can be lawyers fighting for community justice, or MBA's creating community business plans. My wife is a CO with a PHD in human behavior, a professional mediator and teaches doctorate level mediation courses. She is infinitely more qualified and more intelligent than Sarah Palin. McCain's selection is transparently political, designed to get votes and is a slap in the face of every intelligent woman who raised children, worked full time and pursued higher education all at the same time.
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ANNEE1 year, 4 months ago
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Are these Community Organizers low IQ or what? Anyone with a half a brain understands that she meant "responsibilities to the public " as in "public servant". Community organizers are only responsible to the candidate, and while important to the candidate have no accountability to the public.
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halfaminute1 year, 4 months ago
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You left crack me up. Calling the right haters when it's you that cause's the riots in the street. It's you that shout out my free speech, and it's you that can't except reality until you grow up some. The community organizer deal was simple. What does it take to become an community organizer? What voting makes one elected? Who is voting for this community organizer? As far as I know..........someone just's get's handed this job. Who does a Community Organizer answer too if things go wrong? .....maybe another Community Organizer I guess. I like this saying.....you need to start from the bottom up........HahAHHAhAHHAha. Don't you know that S*#@t flows down hill? or maybe your liberial education has skipped that lesson for you all.
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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"Don't you know that S*#@t flows down hill?"
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Great comment. Are you implying that the people at the bottom should be happy to be shat upon by the people at the top? Or is this a statement about what actually trickles down in trickle-down economics? Either way, you are definitely not compassionate and show a pathetic ignorance of the hard work and effort that community organizers do.
"Who does a Community Organizer answer to if things go wrong?"
What a stupid question, COs are needed because things are already wrong. And if they "misbehave" (aka abuse their position) they answer to the police. That's right, they go to jail. A better question is, what recognition does a Community Organizer get when things go right? Little to none. A mayor or governor puts out forests of propaganda praising themselves for their own good deeds though.
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LetsB4REAL1 year, 4 months ago
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Come on guys (gals), who gives a rats patootie??? It wasn't meant to hurt anyone's feelings... It was a remark to show how STUPID the OTHER campaign is in trying to reduce the experience Palin has in government... I think she is as well qualified as many have been in the past....better the vice-president (if you were gonna have to choose inexperience--and we don't) than the PRESIDENT!!! This election is all about CHANGE anyway, right??? Well, I'm ready for a change too...but not for the kind of change the OTHER guy is talking about...
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SchnauzerLady1 year, 4 months ago
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I used to live in Detroit and it generally meant that they ran around blowing a lot of hot air, agitating those with nothing better to do than complain and basically acting as if they are very important. Some are ok...but they are few and far between. Most accomplish nothing concrete.
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AngelInArmor1 year, 3 months ago
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Community Organizers are those who see a need and address it by bringing those with similar and sometimes very diverse concerns together to reason and create solutions/s and action plans to obtain a common goal. Organizers are people-persons who want to help and not hurt those with issues and concerns. They create a "united" front and a strong "voice" for those with conerns and seeking help. They are leaaders. I'm sure there's much more to the position but these are the foundations.
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reidgator1 year, 4 months ago
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If Palin owes "community organizers" an apology, then, Obama owes small-town mayors an apology. If she disparaged COs, then, Obama disparaged STMs!
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Keep the original banter in perspective. Obama belittled Palin's experience as a "small-town mayor". She only retorted that her experience tops his. Slam dunk.
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin was a failure as mayor of Wasilla. The town was debt free when she got elected. When she left it was $22 million in debt. And it still doesn't have a sewage treatment plant. The high school has also gone downhill with teachers being let go and courses being dropped. And this while the town is growing! She is also a radical fundie who is against sex education and birth control. But, she is for banning books!
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captgeobob1 year, 4 months ago
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You have to understand how Cook County, IL politics works. I'm from IL and let me tell you, a community organizer in chicago is not like anything else anywhere. It really should be called "community agitator" or "the moneyman vote getter". They still pay for votes in cash, booze, and dope. This is the truth, ask anyone from there. I've seen it and I have traveled with the man that pays.
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TheAsterisk1 year, 4 months ago
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What the hell is a community organizer?? I came from a small town in Connecticut and I've never heard the term. They obviously exist in larger cities, and are politically driven by one party or the other. They are also NOT familiar with the executive decisions required to be a mayor or governor, and probably couldn't be elected to either office. Obama's "experience" is almost non-existent; and his local politics and Senatorial career are a farce. How he can brag about his district in Chicago is really ridiculous, when you see the burned out buildings, and homeless people, along with the drug dealers and hookers there. His Senate term is also sad, with his running all over the country during the primaries instead of doing the job he was elected to do. Sarah Palin did nothing more than point out Obama's lack of executive experience; while he looked down his nose at ALL small town and rural Americans. The Democrats better get used to hearing the truth about their annointed savior, and the media better get used to having their biases against women and Republican candidates pointed out.
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I have never seen a more blatant media attack upon a candidate, as they performed on Hillary Clinton, and I hope they don't think they will pull the same tactics on Sarah Palin. I really don't see what the media hopes to gain by their undying promotion of Obama, unless it's more stories of racial riots and the total breakdown of our country's image in world politics.-
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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I have a little something for you.
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rationalperson1 year, 4 months ago
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Do those offended or outraged truly not understand the point being made that serving as community organizer, regardless of the value of the work done, does not prepare you for being President of the United States? Let’s also not lose sight of the fact that this was in direct response to the Obama campaign belittling Palin’s experience in serving as mayor of a small town. Should all mayors of small towns be offended as well??? Reality . . . what a concept!!
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frusdniw1 year, 4 months ago
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People, people! Such anger! Belittling small town mayors or COs is ridiculous. Both positions require an equal amount of volunteerism and dedication. I live in a county with 5 such towns and although each mayor is a successful business person who sacrifices almost all their free time to serve their community, I don't believe they'd make good vice-presidents. As a lifelong republican, who is voting for Obama because my party has screwed the pooch in so many ways, I have to admit that I like Palin's moxie but she is unqualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Obama's been swimming with the big fish for 2 years and everyone who's worked with him says he's got what it takes and has already put together impressive economic and foreign policy teams. Biden is immensely qualified to take the reigns if Obama falls victim to the unthinkable - Palin is not. It is really tragic that most people are spreading lies about each candidate instead of looking at the big picture. McCain talks about change but his chief economic advisor, Phil Gramm, chaired the banking commitee that stripped regulation which would have prevented the subprime mess. Wake up, everyone - that's reason #1 for the housing melt-down and the slumping economy! I don't understand why the democrats aren't hammering away with this. Oh, and Obama's economic plan calls for tax CUTS for 95% of working Americans and he's not going to raise taxes on the super-wealthy - he's just going to let their tax cuts sunset. Guess what? It was the Republicans intention, who cut these taxes in the first place, to make the tax cuts temporary with a scheduled sunset!
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conniejf1 year, 4 months ago
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So the 'Community Organizers' are offended -- what a pity. And they still want to 'blame the Republicans' for all their problems. Perhaps you should go back into history and find out what caused the broken societies in this country. When the Democrats saw that President Eisenhour had unleashed a 'can of worms' by mandating the integration of public schools and sent the troops to escort the little children safely into the schools, they realized that they had a real problem. They were losing the integration wars (yes, they were wars) and the blacks would become educated and have the vote, so they came up with a new idea -- GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS! Thus began the 'Great Society' and the downfall of the black families. To get the handouts, there could be NO man in the house, so they either hid, or they left. Education was no longer looked upon as a way toward a better life. So the Democrats got what they wanted -- An almost total 'buyout' of the black votes, and disintegration of black families. Too bad. It will take more than 'Community Organizers' to solve this MAJOR fiasco.
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skip82131 year, 4 months ago
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She has never had to work for anything important. It's apparent she really don't know what a community organizer does. She is a reactor! Dangerous for what needs to be done to get the country back on track. McCain has had bouts of reaccuring Cancer It will no doubt flair up again. If this happens, "Lord Help Us"! The people of the country is smart enough to see a phoney and will get tired of her fireworks after a while. Remember, Fool me once, shame on you~ Fool me twice, shame on me.
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daviddarena1 year, 4 months ago
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Anybody who is offended by Sarah palin's remarks is ignorant. I don't really think anyone is legitimately offended. They are just complaining to complain. If you are that sensitive, you need therapy. I think all the small town mayors should be offended by The Dem's remarks that running a small town isn't a real job. Or how about the small state governors that the dems belittle.
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Totally_Amused1 year, 4 months ago
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Before all you community organizers get "offended" first of all.. your not running for the presidency. The whole idea of the attack was not to belittle your efforts. It was directed mainly at the big " O " for his ability or inablility to preside over our country. Face it I would not and do not want a person whose only laurels are a Community Organizer and a 2 year senator. Think before you get ' offended"
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era1 year, 4 months ago
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No,we're not ignorant.Sarah Palin was polarizing and insulting.There are very special people who are community organizers that never receive recognition or pay.Their work comes from the heart and can leave lasting effective change.Martin Luther King comes to mind as an example.Mother Teresa,Norma Ray,Erin Brokovitch,the list goes on...
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bijonforsale1 year, 4 months ago
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What do you expect? Sarah Palin is from Alaska and somehow she was told to communicate to women, so her speech was written to demonstrate that she been down to earth with the 18 million women the Republicans feel have fell through the cracks. Sarah Palin is evidently now qualified due to her lack of longevity as a Governor, her ability to encourage her staff to look and expose the personnel file of her former brother-in-law and if she's politically correct, Palin would not have distanced herself from convicted Republicans because she also excepted monies from VESCO during her campaign and to make matters worst both of these so-called reformers are riding a plane administered by a lobbyist who McCain has had personal relations with! This is truly change and reform in its' actual sense!
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willottica1 year, 4 months ago
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But she didn't compare the jobs. She said she was going to compare jobs and then her only follow up was "I had responsibility". If that is a comparison, then the comparison is that Community Organizers have none, and that is insulting.
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villm9761 year, 4 months ago
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Ok...here we go again. You know everytime a knucklehead liberal left-winger decides to make an issue out of nothing, it makes one wonder how low the left can get. Did anyone notice the outrageous article last night on AOL regarding Sarah Palin's number of transfers in school? It's funny despite the AP's desire to dig dirt, they could not find any. I thought that was the worst and it could not get any worse than that. Then comes this article. Boy, was I wrong. I apologize to all the liberal, left-wing media for over-estimating you.
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In the interest of the topic of this "newsworthy" article, let's talk about apologies.
When will NObama apologize to ALL the Governors of ALL the states in the union, AND ALL the mayors of ALL the cities, towns, counties, villages and municipalities in the union?? If I remember my facts correctly, Senator NObama downplayed (I'm being nice by using this term) Gov Palin's role as a former mayor of a town, then as governor of Alaska, and as Commander In Chief of the Alaskan National Guard?
We cannot expect an apology from an individual who is full of arrogance. He cannot even admit (on Bill O'Reilly's interview) that he and Bad Hair Transplant Biden made a catastrophic mistake in voting against the troop surge. Even more so, NObama was not even man enough to admit that the troop surge was a success. O'Reilly virtually had to pull it out of him.
The only apology that NObama issued was when he went on his European trip acting if he were a head of state. He apologized to the international community for the foreign policy of the U.S. In other words, HE WAS ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN and did not believe in American policy. This is the man you left-wing liberals (who call themselves Americans) want to elect.-
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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You watched bloviating bill get whupped again didja? About the surge.........
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mah12341 year, 4 months ago
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Most Americans don't know anything about community service or community organization. With all of the bickering at the top most people don't even want to get involved. We need new ideas and a new attitude, this will not come from the republicans at least not this time around.
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Eyes-up1 year, 4 months ago
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RE: JESUS.
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Some folks here have made the mistake of listing Jesus Christ as a Community Organizer (C.O.).
He was and is many things, but never a C.O.
Yes, He rallied people with teaching, miracles and healing. But His goal was for them to put their faith in Him as Savior & Lord, not in any political or economic transformation scheme. They wanted Him as a worldly king, but He was offering something greater, deeper, invisible and eternal. Many walked.
We flatter ourselves beyond measure when we say He is one of us. He is the LORD.
The only connection this discussion has to Jesus is that some people are flocking to Obama as if he were a Messiah -- the Deliverer and Savior of our society. Good talker? Yes. Savior? Think again.
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era1 year, 4 months ago
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Jesus did bring people together with ideas and inspiration and helped change lives and therefore communities.So did Martin Luther King.Your definitions are VERY narrow.
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Organizing a community or people means rallying to a common cause such as hope or love thy neighbor
It's time to think outside the box Eyes Up
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Dunamis1 year, 4 months ago
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Read the article about Public Allies, the group Barack Hussein Obama helped put together, and you will find out what his idea of a community organizer is, google, Investor's Business Daily for the article entitled : Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals
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Lisa4McCain1 year, 4 months ago
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Wait a second...Are you saying that Palin had a... speech writer??? Oh my God! How appalling! You mean she didn't actually physically write that herself?!! Who would have ever thought that someone else actually writes these speeches?? She should be kicked out of the race!! And a teenaged pregnant daughter!! Really!!!??? I have never heard of such behavior from a teenager! It's definitely the mothers fault. Again, Palin should be disqualified! And I also heard that her husband got pulled over for drinking when he was 22. The AUDACITY! Can you imagine a 22 year old drinking??? This is absurd. An outrage! But the worst, Sarah Palin caught fishing without a license!! She actually cast a rod into water to catch a fish and she didn't have a license on her. Now this is just unforgivable.That just seals the deal right there. How dare she fish without a license? The utter disgrace is intolerable. Dispicable. I don't care if she is only a 44 years old woman and became a successful govorner. Are you telling me that she actually compared herself to a community organizer??!! How could a governor actually think that her qualifications are better than a community organizer??? Is she out of her mind? Where do these people get the balls to ask such a question??
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I don't care that she stood out among many and was offered the vice-precidencyof the United States. I certainly don't care that she is articulate, polished, classy, a mother, a daughter, ex-mayor! What matters is that she got caught fishing without a licence. GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK YOU DEMOCRATS!!! Get over it! John McCain found us a winner. Get OVER IT!!!!!!!!!-
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AngelInArmor1 year, 3 months ago
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The only way Obama will lose is if the Republicans "steal" the election as they did the last two. The last one was so high-tech that most didn't realize that it happened. When I woke up I knew that "something wrong" had happened then just months ago they revealed that an executable program was installed on most of the voting machines provided by a certain vendor and the truth pressed to the earth for 3 years ROSE! Republicans are sly, slick and wicked!
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Here is a good link to those stolen elections. I have a lot more, but this site won't let me post them.
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.ht...
Go to the bottom of the page for more.
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anglgrl122a1 year, 4 months ago
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Guillani still harps on 9-11.That was years ago.McBush still harps on being a POW 50 yrs ago.The convention they had was a bunch of drunk women wearing hidious outfits,and old fat men spewing hate. To look at Barack Obama and Joe Biden 2 men who love our country and want to help us out of the messes the GOP made is like a breath of fresh air.Pit Bull Palen should go home and tend to her kids and keep preaching Abstinance (see how it helped HER kid ?) LOL
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robrtl1 year, 4 months ago
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question... do "community organizers " get paid... by whom... are they all democrat party employees (from posts it sounds like it) or do tax payers and foundations pay them....what do they do besides get out the vote.... diversity????95% of black people voting for obama ...Racist??? if 95% of white people voted for mccain would it be racist ????
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keke541 year, 4 months ago
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I think community organizers are great but Obama and Sharpton are not my kind of organizers. I wonder how many 17 years olds in that community could read past the 4th grade by encouraging them to go to school after Obama was done? How many streets were cleaned up from drug infstation? How many displaced steel workers got good jobs. Not many I imagine. Now, how many new voters were registered to vote by Obama and Ayers working as ACORN. I imagine many. These groups squeeze taxpayers and corporations for money under the guise of helping people and either line their pockets or raise their political standing. Even Rev. Wright has moved into a 2 mil dollar house gated community to get away from that community and the people in it. That is the way it is done in big city politics and just take a look at the poor parts of the cities..they never change. Community Organizers ...those two? Give me a break
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keke541 year, 4 months ago
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I think community organizers are great but Obama and Sharpton are not my kind of organizers. I wonder how many 17 years olds in that community could read past the 4th grade by encouraging them to go to school after Obama was done? How many streets were cleaned up from drug infstation? How many displaced steel workers got good jobs. Not many I imagine. Now, how many new voters were registered to vote by Obama and Ayers working as ACORN. I imagine many. These groups squeeze taxpayers and corporations for money under the guise of helping people and either line their pockets or raise their political standing. Even Rev. Wright has moved into a 2 mil dollar house gated community to get away from that community and the people in it. That is the way it is done in big city politics and just take a look at the poor parts of the cities..they never change. Community Organizers ...those two? Give me a break
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BeautifulBlack1 year, 4 months ago
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First of all a job is not the title but what you do with it while you have that title. And the fact that she would say that exemplifies what is wrong with that party and her thinking. Respecting that position as possibly the next level to the individual is what the President should do. I think she has forgotten it is those community organizers that are closest to the people that have the power to elect her. How small minded of her to act as if they are nothing. Obviously if Barack Obama held the position and was a senator and is now running for President he cared for himself enough to take that role to change his immediate surroundings and then he realized there was more to do higher up and continued his journey and now he is at the top...CLEARLY having not forgotten that it is those roots, those concerns that matter the most. Maybe her comment meant as an insult will open the eyes of some people voting for that P/VP team to see they dont see politics as the chain of command but just the head of command with them as the head. If there is no body what does the head sit on?
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paperbrain1 year, 4 months ago
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Does anyone read real news or are all of you stuck in slogan land??? 1) Every energy person in the world knows we can not drill out of the oil crisis. 2) Global warming is caused mostly from burning oil 3) We have squandered 8 LONG years with an oil first government---ever wonder why oil companies have had record profits...IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION?????
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Why are we concidering more VERY RICH people to run a country whose poor are third world at best and a middle class that is under attack. While everyone bickers we all lose. Bring in NEW thinking. We can do no worse than what Bush did to our country. -
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leediddy1 year, 4 months ago
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I guess these group of community organizers are pretty damn stupid. What was wrong with what she said!! She wasn't putting them down infact she compared them to being a mayor which is something to be proud of! What she was saying and this is to these specific stupid community organizers that obviously have no attention span or have a chip on their shoulder and more importantly not proud of what they do. What she was saying is that being a community organizer or even a mayor doesn't gualify you for President. My God, what a bunch of dopes or are they just big Obama backer's? This country is so uptight with every word and saying being scrutinized. All any half intelligent American has to do is research the true backgrounds and true integrety of all 4 candidates. You have a liar in Joe Biden Example: He says Obama is not ready for the whitehouse when he is runnig against him but says he's the greatest and the annointed one when asked to serve with him. If that isn't 100% hypocrisy than what is. Obama really has no record and cant stand up to the career of John McCain and McCain has a record of reaching across the isle. McCain was an American War hero and does understand the great world threats of today. He has established himself as someone who has no underhandedness in his life. Obama still hasn't explained his relationships withh the US terrorist William Aires who started his political career. He appears to have lied about Reverend Jereimiah Wright whom he says was his mentor. Rev. Wright is a known racist Anti American. If you listen to his audio of his book, There are at least 20 different rude remarks about white people. He is like rev. Wright. so listen up you community organizers, Sarah Palin is there to protect you and Joe biden will lie to you. Barack Obama is an Anti American in disguise while McCain is a true American hero and can prove it. CHILL OUT COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!! YOU ARE NEEDED AND APPRECIATED. CERTAINLY YOU CAN SEE THRU THE RHETORIC AND UNDERSTAND IT
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ncnlibra781 year, 4 months ago
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YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REV. WRIGHT BEING RACIST AND ALL BUT LET'S BE REAL MCCAIN DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A GREAT PEACEFUL LEADER IN MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. HE VOTED AGAINST THE MLKJR DAY IN ARIZONA. WHAT MESSAGE DOES HE SEND TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
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Obama's head isn't connected to Reverend Wright's head. Are we not entitled to our own opinions.
Our country needs to heal and personally McCain isn't the one that will do that. He will not be able to unify a nation.
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pattit1 year, 4 months ago
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There is an old saying which goes SHOW ME YOUR COMPANY AND IT WILL SHOW ME WHATYOU ARE OBAMAS company Rev. Wright , Ayers, Rev sharpton. that catholic priest moron. oprah etc.etc. and i almost forgot all the Hollywood imbeciles. NEED I SAY MORE Oh one more thing OBAMA IS NOT GOD so all of you stupid liberal sheep WAKE UP
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ncnlibra781 year, 4 months ago
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No one said he was God
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Maybe you need to wake up It was this great country who put Bush's A** back in office and look where we are now!!! F***ed.
This man is willing to try and change the nation. He can't be no worse than the F**K up we have in office.
Dig into McCain's camp
He's got a huge melting pot of rich white americans eating at his table
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forensicb1 year, 4 months ago
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Biden - the 100% wrong senator. His history of international recommendations show that he is consistent. He has been wrong every time. At least if Obama needs advice all he has to do is get an opionion from Biden and then do the opposite.
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basketpam1 year, 4 months ago
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What's a community organizer? Where I live in Maryland (only an hour outside of Washington DC) we never heard of such a position. It is the responsibility of the mayor and council to organize things in towns and cities around here. Who needs a paid organizer? Don't be so think-skinned. That sounds like a pure fluff job.
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snoopie1411 year, 3 months ago
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A community organizers can be churchs that provide programs to the poor & needy, the Red Cross is a community organizer to name a few. Hospitals, places you would volunteer ( which since you had no clue what one is you dont) are considered community organitions. There is few paid positions but rarely. And no its not a FLUFF job.
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sparkling1 year, 4 months ago
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Palin's comment was NOT a dis of Community Organizers.... HER POINT WAS THAT IF BARACK OBAMA THINKS Community Organizer is equal to GOVERNING A STATE then
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uswarrior11111 year, 4 months ago
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The liberals here are reminding us Obama had another job or two besides being a community organizer. That's right, he was a lawyer, something I would leave off my resume.
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He was also a state senator but we are told by people in Illinois he did nothing for their state.
Then he became a U.S. senator for a few months until he started running for President.
Never served his country in the Armed Forces.
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paperbrain1 year, 4 months ago
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Mayor of a town of 4000 and not a very diverse 4000 at that!!!
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Governor for a little more than a year and her daughter got pregnant???? She can't even watch over her family let alone our country (if old guy McCain dies you want her as PRES??????) ARE YOU PEOPLE serious???? McCain thinks you won't notice She was unfaithful to her hubby, let her daughter down, first wanted then didn't want the bridge to nowhere....This is only the begging of the discoveries ahead. What practical experience for a diverse country does she have...dont lie to yousself because you are dyed in the wool partisen, look around smell the coffe and make practical choices, please! -
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paperbrain1 year, 4 months ago
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Mayor of a town of 4000 and not a very diverse 4000 at that!!!
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Governor for a little more than a year and her daughter got pregnant???? She can't even watch over her family let alone our country (if old guy McCain dies you want her as PRES??????) ARE YOU PEOPLE serious???? McCain thinks you won't notice She was unfaithful to her hubby, let her daughter down, first wanted then didn't want the bridge to nowhere....This is only the begging of the discoveries ahead. What practical experience for a diverse country does she have...dont lie to yousself because you are dyed in the wool partisen, look around smell the coffe and make practical choices, please!-
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IkilledKURTcobain1 year, 4 months ago
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Hey, tpbrain!
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(Please dear God, tell me you're NOT a registered voter)!
You are hereby notified that any/all of your general election voting rights are formally terminated. (Please leave the voting to the grown-ups).
Your time will be better spent in a remedial writing or grammer class.
(Correct spelling will take you far in this life)
Thank you.
Your friends at Central Planning
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fawcettmfawcett1 year, 4 months ago
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Typical Republicans. Put the fear of attack in your mind and they will come to the rescue. After all, what are Americans good for except to die in a war that isn't and shouldn't be ours.
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What a bunch of hypocrites. Palin is a sheep in wolves clothing. It's her way or the hiway. Other than bashing everyone else, She is a throwback to the dark ages. She is not a part of the woman's movement. She wants to legislate morality - her morality as if she is the only one who has any. Huh! She eloped to get married on August 29 and less than 8 months later she had a baby. Oh sure, she will probably claim it was early but it wasn't. She also hid her last pregnancy from her kids and her constituancy because the baby has down syndrome. But why hide the pregnancy? Maybe hide the down syndrome until birth but why hide the pregnancy???? Such deceit. I've not heard anything out of either of their mouths about how they are going to do any of the wonderful things they say they are going to do. If you ask a republican a question, they won't answer it, they will just "justify" it. Cindy McCain didn't earn her money, it was given to her. She looks like a Barbie doll in her "spiffy" incredibly expensive duds. In addition she would never wear fake jewelry. She is nothing but a Botox face and arm candy for her John. In other words, she does not know how to relate to the "real" middle class. Does she not own a suit??? Are those false eyelashes she has on??? As for McCain, he's never been a maverick in politics; elsewhere maybe but not in politics. And to date, what changes has he ever made??? They are so foolish thinking we are that stupid. They are trying to spoon feed us a bunch of BS. As for Vietnam, he ought to be damn thankful he at least came home. Too many didn't. Are they any real accomplishments he can talk about that happened less than 45 years ago? He's a warmonger and nothing else. He has nothing to brag about since Vietnam. He thinks he can win the presidency on Palin's coat tails.. Yes, he is a user and a chauvinist. As for you women, who only want to vote for a woman, you best be thinking about what a detriment she will be to woman's rights. I don't want another woman, let alone a man, telling me what I can do to my body. It's mine - NOT hers! -
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tiredof1 year, 4 months ago
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People of america fail to realize that the government is out for themselves. The Republicans are not thinking of the people in this land. It's all about money and who got it. They are so busy trying to out do one other on who's doing what and is not doing anything for the people. The middle class are suffering the most and we are the one's holding this country together.
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If we don't buy this eocnomy will all go down. We are the one's putting money in the CEO pockets, movie stars, entertainers. But the republicans want to give the big wheels all the tax break and benefits. Everybody is pointing fingers at each other. I tell you this all McCain and his party has done is put down Obama simply because of race.
Everytime there is a great change about to take place, they run scared. So they go that extra mile of deception to make things go there way. This been like this for centuries.
But I tell you this, when God has something in store I don't care what the repuicans do, they cannot stop what God allows.
They did not stop Martin Luther King, the dream still went on. They couldn't even stop the bus boycott. So talk all you want. We want change and the people that work hard for a living are ready for a change. The repulicans have always been for the rich and they are getting richer off our backs.
The American people do not realize the power they have to change things. We are a spoil group of peope that feel we can't go without. That why so many countries do not like America. We don't appreciate nothing, we take things for granted. So wake up people.. If you want to stay in the shape we;ve been for 8 years. Go ahead and put a repulican back in office. And see what that will get us.
I am so tired of all this back bitting on each other. We are to be together for one cause. And that is put a man in office that knows what the people need and not a man who thinks he knows and never been where we been. I think you know who I'm talking about and that is Mc
Cain.
How ironic he talks about Obama being young and inexperience. and then he turns around and put a young inexperience candidate to run along side him. That just a tactic to make him look good. And anybody have to use tactics to make himself look what does that say about him personally. He did not define one good plan to help the American people to get on track.
Nor did his running mate. They read their speaches very well and I'm sure they practice all night to look like they know what the people want. So get with the program people and stop tripping. -
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tiredof1 year, 4 months ago
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People of america fail to realize that the government is out for themselves. The Republicans are not thinking of the people in this land. It's all about money and who got it. They are so busy trying to out do one other on who's doing what and is not doing anything for the people. The middle class are suffering the most and we are the one's holding this country together.
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If we don't buy this eocnomy will all go down. We are the one's putting money in the CEO pockets, movie stars, entertainers. But the republicans want to give the big wheels all the tax break and benefits. Everybody is pointing fingers at each other. I tell you this all McCain and his party has done is put down Obama simply because of race.
Everytime there is a great change about to take place, they run scared. So they go that extra mile of deception to make things go there way. This been like this for centuries.
But I tell you this, when God has something in store I don't care what the repuicans do, they cannot stop what God allows.
They did not stop Martin Luther King, the dream still went on. They couldn't even stop the bus boycott. So talk all you want. We want change and the people that work hard for a living are ready for a change. The repulicans have always been for the rich and they are getting richer off our backs.
The American people do not realize the power they have to change things. We are a spoil group of peope that feel we can't go without. That why so many countries do not like America. We don't appreciate nothing, we take things for granted. So wake up people.. If you want to stay in the shape we;ve been for 8 years. Go ahead and put a repulican back in office. And see what that will get us.
I am so tired of all this back bitting on each other. We are to be together for one cause. And that is put a man in office that knows what the people need and not a man who thinks he knows and never been where we been. I think you know who I'm talking about and that is Mc
Cain.
How ironic he talks about Obama being young and inexperience. and then he turns around and put a young inexperience candidate to run along side him. That just a tactic to make him look good. And anybody have to use tactics to make himself look what does that say about him personally. He did not define one good plan to help the American people to get on track.
Nor did his running mate. They read their speaches very well and I'm sure they practice all night to look like they know what the people want. So get with the program people and stop tripping.-
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judithod1 year, 3 months ago
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And Obama doesn't read his speeches? It's well known that he uses a teleprompter. Rhetoric is his hallmark.
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Palin does have more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain in that she has managed a city, a state, people, budgets, and legislation. Like McCain, Palin has taken principled stands against members of her own party. Neither Biden nor Obama are nonpartisanship players.
My preference is for a president who has a track record for effecting compromises "across the aisle," who understands how Washington works and doesn't work, who has a grasp of foreign policy, and who has a character developed by courage, not by ambition. And that person is John McCain.-
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin does NOT have executive experience. She screwed up as mayor so badly that she was almost recalled. Then was forced to hire a city administrator to do her job for her. And she still left Wasilla with a $22 million debt. And no sewage treatment plant.
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As governor she immediately got herself into a legal jam and is under investigation as we speak.
McSame and his puppeteers showed very bad judgment by selecting this bozo. But what do you expect from someone who graduated 894 out of 899?
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jaern1 year, 4 months ago
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"...Member k312121 writes: "I am a community organizer in a large city in San Antonio. To discredit me only made me laugh. I can do this job in my sleep and that is why I have a real job -- at a private university. Obama's use of this title is abusive and irrelevant."
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I love it. k312121 doesn't even know the difference between a good community organizer and a bad one. Perhaps he/she is too busy sleeping. Jack@$$. -
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judithod1 year, 3 months ago
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Do community organizers lack a sense of humor? Palin was NOT demeaning all community organizers; she was retaliating against the Obama team for discounting her experience as a mayor. She was pointing out that as a mayor, she had to make far more executive decisions affecting more people than Obama did as a community organizer. Moreover, Obama only spent 3 years as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side and he was less than effective. (See the article "Making It" in the New Yorker magazine, July 21, 2008 issue. www.newyorker.com)
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cae-3630281 year, 3 months ago
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To AngelinArmor and all the others who constantly talk about the "Rich" Republicans, please give everyone a break and read up on the: Kennedys; John Kerry and his wife, T. Heinz,; Oprah Winfrey; the Kennedys; Steven Spielberg; Barbra Streisand, MOST of Hollywood; the Kennedys; Michael Douglas; did I mention the Kennedys ..........all Dems and ALL Filthy rich. Then your moderately filthy rich: Clintons & the rest of Hollywood! Give it a rest and stop looking foolish. The Republicans at least have "worked" for their money......not bootlegged and carpet bagged their way to being wealthy.
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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here's jon stewart's take on Palin's idiotic remarks concerning community organizers:
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http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008...
Stewart rips the cons a few new ones. but it obviously wasn't that hard.
strange how the cons think middle school cut downs are clever and funny. and Palin's attempts at sounding like she knows what she's talking about are hilarious. I can't believe the cons are actually putting all their chips on her.
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cae-3630281 year, 3 months ago
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To tiredof and all the others who have jumped on the Democrats' bandwagon of blaming the Republican President for the "last eight years".........please inform yourselves to the fact that our President has been Republican..........BUT CONGRESS HAS BEEN DEMOCRATS AND VETOED EVERY GOOD MOVE PRESIDENT BUSH HAS MADE. Talk about not caring.......the Democrats have fought our President tooth and nail just to make him look bad and...............
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WE THE PEOPLE have been the losers. It amazes me that you believe all the crap that the Democrats feed you.................and blindly go through life instead of using the brain you were given to see the truth.-
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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you obviously don't know how things work.
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congress doesn't veto the president. the president vetoes congress.
and the dems have only been in charge in congress for less than two years. the republicans had control of the presidency, senate and congress for six years.
and in those six years, everything went to hell.
do some research. learn something. then come back.
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GEECHEEGIRL671 year, 3 months ago
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I am so disappointed in the fact that Sarah Palin felt the need to rip Sen. Obama during her speech. She should have sticked with the facts about herself. The Republicans are such hypocrites! However is it that it's okay for Fox News to refer to Michelle Obama as Barack's "baby mama," but it's okay for Palin's 17-year-old daughter to be pregnant and force to marry the father of her child? Bristol Palin was 16 when she got pregnant and the father, 18. Isn't that statutory rape? So it's okay for an unwed teen to move into the Vice-Presidential quarters; but not an African American family in the White House? What has this country come to? So, it's okay that Sarah's husband once belonged to a Separist group that wanted to secede from the United States; but, Michelle and Barack are portrayed as terrorist? Why is it to hard for Americans to understand that Barack Obama came from a white mother and a true African father? Is the Republican Party saying that all an African American could ever do in the White House is cook and clean? What to African Americans have to do to prove we can not only run households and corporations, but that we have succeeded in government as well. For the Republicans, especially Guilani who couldn't get elected on "911" alone, poking fun at community organizers is the worst thing they could have done. Dr. King was a community organizer, Gandhi was a community organizer, Malcolm X was a community organizer, Fannie Lou Hamer and countless others. They have just energized the grassroots base. Keep on keeping on Sen. and Mrs. Obama. You have more dignity, class and education than the other side will ever have.
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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Once again conservatives attempt to change the meaning of our language. Community organizers are leaders who try to bring people together in their own self interest. Like Obama working to bring a community center to a ravaged community. Why is that a good thing? Because it gives hope and an outlet for people to come together and be a part of the community as a whole, rather than suffering individually with no place for finding good. We are a society....a community. Some find it hard to fit in, or to bring about change. It helps change to happen when ONE person steps forward and draws people in. Thank 'god' for those people, and the change they've accomplished to better people's lives, as well as show people that's a power THEY have in themselves.
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