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Posted By pc25 10 months ago in NewsThe Honorable Senator Barack Obama
This is clearly the must-watch video of the day. If you click it, stay the entire two minutes. I promise you the time is well-spent.
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pc2510 months ago
Posted by: Patricia Hallman | September 6, 2008 04:49 PM
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When I sent this video to some people I know , I could not say anything except "I am at a loss for words"-
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donald5110 months ago
You ought to be at a loss for words for the 1.2 million Iraqis who are dead a
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as a result of Dumya's lies to attack Sadam in the name of terrorism!
Disgusting to use this soldier for repug political gain! I can only wonder how much you disgraceful repugs paid him just to tell us his leg was lost for something while standing next to the American flag! You idiots wouldn't even let the Dems add an amendment for Sadam tortured soldiers to sue Iraq!
At least he is a testiment to you repugs of what happens to our fine soldiers when you don't even bother to think things out to conclusion, you idiots who should be in jail guilty of war crimes for your preemptive war and torture for which we helped hang Japanese and Natzis after WW2.
Then you end the video with patriotic music... how low can you sink?
The disgusting things you will do for your repug greed! If you want the truth out there, then release the Cheney Energy Meeting minutes with the likes of Ken Lay and all the big oil CEOS... and the world will see you greedy bastards for what you are... in creating this war in Iraq purely for greed. A war, where the Iraqis have given us a deadline and not given Dumya his guaranteed long term, oil deals!
How about the Georgia congressman trashed by you repugs who is even worse off from a Vietnam grenade he jumped on?
What pigs you are to use this soldier's loss for political gain - it just proves McBush is just as bad as Dumya once again!
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hyperbola10 months ago
To understand this post you have to know that the source is from extremist zioncons who just love the idea of killing americans in the mideast to cover up zionist crimes against humanity.
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You really should ask yourself if having israel-firster zionists running our foreign policy and military in the mideast is in our best interests. You might also ask yourself why they keep pushing the same old tired lies over and over and over.
General Petraeus: Zionism’s Military Poodle: From Surge to Purge to Dirge
.... In theory and strategy, in pursuit of defeating the Iraqi resistance, General Petraeus was a disastrous failure, an outcome predictable form the very nature of his appointment and his flawed wartime reputation.
In the first instance Petraeus was a political appointment. He was one of the few high military officials who shared Bush and the Zioncons’ assessment that the ‘war could be won’. Petraeus argued that his experience in Northern Iraq were replicable throughout the rest of the country. Moreover Petraeus, unlike most military analysts, was willing to ignore the heavy costs of multiple prolonged tours of duty on US troops. Petraeus willingness to ignore the larger costs of prolonged military engagement in Iraq has weakened the capacity of the US to sustain its world-wide imperial interests. For Petraeus, sacrificing the overall cohesion and structure of the US military in Iraq, the global interests of the empire and the US domestic budget were worth securing Bush’s appointment as ‘Commander of the Forces in Iraq’. Shortly after taking office and in the face of massive domestic, international and Iraq demands for the withdrawal of US troops, Petraeus took the path dictated by the US and pro Israeli militarists in the Bush Administration and their powerful ‘Lobby’. He escalated the war, by calling up more troops, what he euphemistically referred to as ‘the surge’ – a massive call-up of 40,000 more mission-weary infantry and marines.
An analysis and critique of the failure of military-driven imperialism and its militarily dangerous consequences requires an objective critical analysis of Petraeus’ media-inflated military record prior to taking command. Equally important Petraeus close ideological and political linkages with Israel’s militarist approach toward Iran (and the rest of the Middle East countries opposing it) dates back to his close collaboration with Israel’s (unofficial) military advisers and intelligence operatives in Kurdish Northern Iraq.
Petraeus’ Phony Success in Northern Iraq
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hyperbola10 months ago
So here we have the israel-firsters again trying to use the suffering of americans to justify their wars in the mideast!
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Here is a more credible set of iraq veterans.
Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://ivaw.org/faq
Why we're against the war
Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women opposed to the war in Iraq?
A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:
The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq before September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an imminent nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive Congress into rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our casualties of war by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when they arrive home, and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter Reed Hospital and other Veterans Administration facilities which are overflowing with maimed and traumatized veterans.
For further reading: www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html
The Iraq war violates international law.
The United States assaulted and occupied Iraq without the consent of the UN Security Council. In doing so they violated the same body of laws they accused Iraq of breaching.
For further reading:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtcons...
http://www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org/
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mompro10 months ago
I am not at a loss for words. I am tired of being told that it's unpatriotic to disagree with a war. There are as many without limbs on the other side of the debate over the mistake. He didn't mention his lost limb because it was in the video as he walked away. Why didn't he just cut it before that. Please, I honor this man's service, but I do not honor his words as true from all his fellow service men and women.
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Unfotunately, there is terror being carried out each and every day around this world against people who are unable to defend themselves, whom the US has not made the decision to save in any way.
We entered into this war under a false pretense. Not by our service personnel, but by our LEADERS. Lies were told to soldiers like this man and they are in harms way waiting for someone to figure out what's next. I have no doubt that the terrorists will lay in wait while we leave Iraq and then return to the same behavior. They have waited patiently for years to die for their cause, and I have no doubt they will again.
But make no mistake, we should not have been there and money is not a good enough reason, even if they tell you it wasn't. But, no one can convince me otherwise.
I am the President of my local VFW Ladies Auxiliary, and a patriot who serves those abroad and at home during and after their service. I am sick and tired of having this attitude shoved in my face as 600,000 women in the Ladies Auxiliary wit at the bedsides of wounded soldiers and their families. Give it a rest already.
There is no shame in admitting we were duped. There is shame, however, in letting it keep our soldiers in harms way. They have served the people here and in Iraq and now it is time for them to leave.-
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italymeetsdixie10 months ago
There are several factors that I am able to see that go into whether we choose to "help" another country.
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1) How much will it cost to "help" this country? (versus how much can we profit, which leaves out Sudan and N Korea)
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donald5110 months ago
Good comment Mom, keep up the good fight and America may once again become the America we grew up believing in!
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Our best step would be to ban the party of terrorism in the USA and the world - the Repugs!
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pc2510 months ago
We entered into this war under a false pretense. Not by our service personnel, but by our LEADERS.
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listen to what you beloved Democratic liberal leadership had to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1q9Q0OtJ4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i87cZ3Og6ts-
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bhop110410 months ago
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT. BARACK OBAMA WAS NOTICEABLY ABSENT FROM THIS VIDEO--BECAUSE HE NEVER SUPPORTED THE WAR!
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Wolfie200710 months ago
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You are a sad case, keep on rationalizing your failure to support this man and his mission and the work he and his fellow soldiers did in Iraq. Whatever you're a sad case and sorry American.-
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RedRiverJ10 months ago
Good post PC25. I support that young man, all the military in Iraq doing their jobs, they have my respect.
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italymeetsdixie10 months ago
I am supportive of those men and women serving. My first husband was a military man, I still send cards to the soldiers who serve, I still stay up at night making cookies, I send money to Veterans Groups, I buy from every fund raiser they have outside WalMart. I support the men and women who serves this country. But I do not believe that we should be in Iraq. The Iraq war has little to do with protecting this country and everything to do with money and oil.
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ConsAreNonGrata10 months ago
It is truly sad when a person cannot accept the reality of a situation because they are too emotionally invested.
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I am sorry that young man had to lose a leg (as is implied) because BushCo felt that it was OK to take on a country with a marginal army with no concern for our troops' safety in the subsequent inevitable babysitting mission (mentioned by Cheney in 94). We are there and will be there to insure "peace" - read push our oil interests, until every drop of oil has been squeezed out of Iraq or we can no longer afford to be there.
And I am thoroughly disgusted by the moral bankruptcy of Cons for using this emotional tripe to avoid ACCOUNTABILITY and to try and justify their failed policy. Hey, guys, some people might feel bad if we admit Iraq was a mistake, so we should pretend it was the right thing to do, right? WRONG!!!
Tell me, Cons, if you're so d amned concerned about "freedom", why are you not pushing for invasion of North Korea? It has a regime as least as bad as Saddam and they actually had (have?) WMDs!!! Why don't we invade them? Why do we agree to BRIBE them?
Which also leads to an interesting question of what happens when we stop bribing, excuse me, sending Iraq "AID" (with THEIR massive surplus)? Will they be such a great ally?
If you're so concerned about freedom, Cons, are you prepared to SACRIFICE butter to build up our guns to take on the "evil empire", again. I've checked our balance on the card, Cons, and you're going to have to agree to do a little more than put yellow ribbon magnets on your car if you want to maintain our military industrial complex in the face of all these threats, well, in the face of Iraq, ALONE.
This stunt is an epic fail on your part, Cons. But at least you never fail to please. Bravo.
It never rains, it only pours in the Con Culture of Lies and Incompetence.-
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donald5110 months ago
Dumya was just looking for a chance to become a war pres! Paul O'Neil, his first Treasury Chief wrote that taking out Sadam was a Bush agenda item from day one!
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The day after 911 Dumya asked his cabinet for links to Sadam and a week later told Rummy to address invasion plans (ref: Clarke's book Against All Enemies)
Maybe Dumya purposely ignored that brief "OBL Determined to Attack Inside the USA," that mentioned the use of planes, a month before 911?
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rivermint10 months ago
The words liberal and conservative..i.e. Dems and Cons are becoming dangerous to our ability to communicate with each other. This labeling of all people in one category without bothering to discuss the differences is harmful.
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When we run around saying things like " The Libs hate America," or "The Cons are all fascists," we destroy our ability to talk to each other.
The war and the ethics of the war are messy and complicated. Both sides have some useful things to say about it.
It is also dangerous to belittle calm inteligent introspection and thought. That is what wisdom is all about. You cannot make good decisions when you act without questioning your own position carefully.
If people really love this country they will try to find common ground and help each other get what they need. Denying the feelings and values of half of the people on the other side of the imaginary fence is insensitive at best.-
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wtagg10 months ago
"It is also dangerous to belittle calm inteligent introspection and thought. That is what wisdom is all about. You cannot make good decisions when you act without questioning your own position carefully."
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This would have been good advice in Washington immediately after 9/11. The original desire was to go after Iraq even though the admin knew that al qaeda was responsible. I believe Rumsfeld's (or Cheney's, I can't remember which) comment was that there were more opportune targets in Iraq. I believe Powell was the person who suggested that we would lose the good will we had received from 9/11 if we pursued an effort outside of Afghanistan. That view prevailed and it became an Afghanistan first, which meant that some other country would be second. It was very much understood what that second country would be.
It would be nice to define what liberal and conservative mean. Democrat and Republican do not necessarily related respectively to those terms. There is hardly anything conservative, by definition, in the current Republican platform and actions. Similar contradictions relate to liberals and democrats. Many are branded as liberal only because their opinions are different from republican opinions. The irony is that the two respective candidates are almost clones when considering their actions and statements. -
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rivermint10 months ago
Hey Donald,
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I do see your point. I actually live in Texas so I know how radical things have gotten latley. I feel really frusterated with the extreme ideology of many of the people in my own state.
I do think that the extreme ideologies depend on us not seeing each other as human beings or fellows.
I also think that most people (lika any bell curve) are somewhere in the middle.
If those of us from both sides who can pull together, do pull together, we might be able to rest our country back from the swinging extremes. -
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donald5110 months ago
River, You ought to live in a red state where every political commercial on TV blames all our country's problems on libs and shows pictures of Pelosi!
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Don't forget that Dumya, the great divider, does not reach across the aisle, nor did the former Repug "Do Nothing" 109th Congress! Roves' policy is take no prisoners as the use of this soldier's loss for political purposes validates!
Darn, un-American fools just want to polarize America more being totally unable to recognize that the 80% of Americans who know Dumya has taken the country the wrong way includes not only libs, but dems, independants, repugs and even some evangelicals!
I say this as a former military man who always voted repug because I believed the repug lies before Dumya!
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ConsAreNonGrata10 months ago
Here's some more red meat for you, Cons.
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Warning: Explicit Lyrics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI -
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hefaa110 months ago
That is a great video. Beautifully crafted lyrics
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The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
-Thomas Jefferson
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pcknowledge10 months ago
The Iraq war was long planned by the Bush Administration, and has been about PNAC, and Iraq's oil, not the freedom of our country. Multiple Weapons Inspectors confirmed Saddam did not even have the capability to make WMD'S, Blix was the most outspoken one. Bush ignored everything the Weapons Inspectors said.
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For people who have never been to the Middle East, thousands of Iraqis, including civilians, and hundreds of our troops have died in iraq due to this war, and are continuing to die there on a daily basis, though Saddam himself is long gone. Also, for people who are not familiar with Middle East politics and the region, Saddam was actually a stabilizing force in the ME, he and BL were enemies, and Al Qaeda was not allowed any presence in Iraq as long as Saddam was alive.
In addition, Saddam was a brutal Dictator, but under Saddam, Iraqis who were unhappy with his methods were free to leave Iraq if they wanted to, and many Iraqis did leave Iraq when Saddam was in power.
Currently, our military is fighting a faceless, namless enemy as it is impossible to distinguish between Sunnis, Shiites and other factions in Iraq. None of the Iraqis were responsible for any attacks on our soil, and they were certainly not responsible for 9/11.
Iraq's infrastructure is completly destroyed, and will take years to re build.
I was working in the Middle East when Bush announced the war. I was working in a region that was safe, yet our government placed travel warnings for all Americans in the region I was in on their US State Department website.
For those of you who can sleep well at night, knowing Bush and Cheney send our troops to Iraq because of his greed for oil, just know that our troops are continuing to die there on a daily basis, so Bush/Cheney and his oil cronies can continue to make profits from Iraq's oil. Cheney's latest adventure is the opening of a Halliburton office in Dubai. -
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donald5110 months ago
Alb, so please tell me where the honor is in committing these fine soldiers to war based on lies? And McBush is saying to "Bomb , bomb Iran" and threatening force against Russia... just using these fine soldiers for cannon fodder with little to no effort at real diplomacy! Unilateralsm is a policy of disgrace and disrespect to our soldiers! Obama has more respect for the sanctity of life! Are you a Bubba?
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Bush, Cheney, Condi, Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith should be rotting in a foreign jail, guilty of war crimes against humanity! Oh, if we just didn't have the obstructionist repugs in the senate, we would have already impeached, convicted and given Dumya over to the World Court!
Are you a Bubba, a fool who won't vote for the better man because he is black, and has to make excuses for such? -
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Bruedaddy10 months ago
screw you ****ant neocon.
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you people make me sick. why don't YOU go to Iraq if you're so G D honorable and patriotic?
yeah, I thought so prick, YOU'LL be saying home...
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icono110 months ago
I take it that when OBama becomes President and has 'his surge' in Afghanistan with intentions of invading the tribal regions Pakistan to capture or kill OBL, which if done, could start a much more dangerous and far reaching war, then that war will be 'justified' and therefore supportable by the multitudes of Bush Haters because the 'OBama war' will be a 'just war' and therefore morally supportable.
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So it comes down to 'who commits the troops to war' not 'why they are committed to combat'.
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hamy10 months ago
Yes. It is truly honorable of Bush Senior to pay money to keep his son out of war's way.
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What an honor it has been to hear the screams of men and women and children dying while he jokes about the cause of their deaths at a $2,000 dollar a plate dinner.
What an honor it has been to have a president who cares so little about his own people that he would lie in order to see them dead.
What an honor it's been to have a Vice President who actually said the word "so?" when he was asked about the men and women who died for his cause.
You know nothing about honor yourself.
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pcknowledge10 months ago
I always urge people, who believe in the Iraq war to enlist and sign up to serve in Iraq. It's nearly impossible to form an educated opinion, while sitting safely away at home. When one actually travels to the Middle East, and looks around, that's when one learns there is no way to distinguish between Shiites and Sunnis, we won't win this war because Iraq, being a country in the Middle East, will never be a Democracy of any kind. One learns that this war is definetly about oil, greed and the abuse of power and nothing else. One learns, that while Bush calls all moslems "radical fanatics," Bush and Cheney are having oild fields seized in Iraq for their own benefit, striking deals with the Saudi Monarchy, Bin Laden's family, and the Sheikhs in Dubai to profit from the oil that flows in those ME regions. One sees photographs in the newspapers of Bush/Cheney striking business deals and shaking hands with the very people they publicly call our enemies.
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One learns that your President, is lying and has sold you and me out to make profits for himself, and his oil cronies.
When one travels the Middle East, one understands that our troops are shedding their blood, every drop of it, so Bush/Cheney and his oil profiteers make megabucks.
I, like everyone else, took an oath to protect my country from our enemies. I, like everyone else, would always honor my oath. The Iraqis are not our enemies. And I hope this unjustified invasion of Iraq will not turn the Iraqis into our bitter enemies in the future.-
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donald5110 months ago
Dumya should have gone to jail in '89 when he sold that Harken Oil stock while on the board with insider knowledge. He sold has stock a week after the board published a memo that the board members couldn't sell due to their position. The stock tanked a month after his sale. With these profits Dumya bought into a baseball team, his only success in life! See what repug connections do for ya!
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If Dumya would have just been convicted and gone to jail... Texas would be a better place now, the US and the world too! Dumya accounting did good for Enron and Worldcom too... and now Fannie Mae and Mac!
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kobzikov10 months ago
It's so ridiculously easy to skewer the piece of propaganda with its own words it's not even funny.
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For example, if Iraqi people are just like us then does anyone recall how it is that Americans reacted to being under a British occupation? It seems that Iraqis prefer to die on their feet then live on their knees, not unlike everyone in US who picked up a weapon to fight for independence from Britain.
If Iraqi people are just like us, then ask yourself would you be better off with only a few hours of electricity, failing sanitation system, destroyed and underequipt hospitals, under a foreign occupation, afraid to leave your house because of daily violence by criminals, suicide bombers, militias, US forces, military contractors, etc. Or if you lived in Egypt or Saudi Arabia, both US allies, where you'd have about as many rights as if you had lived under Saddam, unless of course you are a woman, which means that you'd have less rights at least in Saudi Arabia.
But then again, just like all propaganda this video relies on viewer's ignorance, same kind of ignorance that allows John McCain to still support Vietnam War without reading Pentagon Papers and the person in the video to support Iraq War without reading Downing Street Memos. And those who consider the video a source of any kind of truth got the kind of ignorance in spades. -
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GLee10 months ago
I can safely say that the socialism being promoted by the liberals is dangerous to our Great Nation. McCain walks a tight line between the Democrats and Repulicans but he is no socialist. That is one of the reasons that he has my vote........ only one of the many reasons. Obama is dangerous. Sorry, but it is so true.
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rivermint10 months ago
Socialism is not bad.. it is an economic philosophy. Europe and Scandinavia in particular are democratic socialist countries that run very well. I have lived in Denmark and they have really great services for their people.
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Socialism and communism are not the same thing, and even communism had some good ideas on paper ( thought they failed to work in reality
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Socialism might not work in a society as large and diverse as America but it is not evil.
All economic philosophies have strenghts and weaknesses. Capitalism has benefits and costs. Socialism has benefits and costs.
I am not increadibly versed in econimic theory but I know that in any system or science things are not good or bad, there is cost and benefit. -
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donald5110 months ago
Glee, so spreading the wealthof capitalism so the workers at last can live in a decent home with minimal heath care is socialism?
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Never born with a heart?
Ignore the compassion in the bible?
No compassion at all for your fellow Americans, many of which are willing to die for you to make America better?
Or, is it you just accept the right wing lies of sociolism because you like to be scared and greedy!
Any sane American with any sense of history at all knows the failures of sociolism - doesn't want it and knows that Dems don't want it either!
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