John McCain offered Republicans vision rooted in reality, not
Barack Obama's empty promises »
Posted By Spinward
10 months ago
in News
As the thousands of red, white and blue balloons, the tinsel and
the tickertape descended from the rafters on the Republican
convention moments after John McCain had finished addressing it, I
at last worked out what had been the key difference between this
event and the Democratic beano the week before.
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Spinward10 months ago
Obama parades around the country telling us how terrible things are and his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?
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He thinks raising taxes on businesses and corporations, empowering unions, and mandating free benefits will HELP them hire more employees? Nobody with an IQ above 50 would fall for this.-
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hyperbola10 months ago
John McCain is up to his ears in corruption and war hysteria and the best he can do is offer us a corrupt "theocracy wacko"?
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McCain himself has criticized Palin's corruption (on earmarks) and we have also seen Palin abuse political power for personal vendettas. Worse still are palin's connections to ugly religious fanatics. She is right out of our very own "christian madrassas" and voting for her would be like voting for Osama Bin Laden.
We must either assume that McCain has become senile and lets extremists force wackos on him or he has sold out american democracy for power hunger/corruption (or both).
Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
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inverse10 months ago
Bush raise our national debt to such an extent that is far more damaging than to merely raise tax. It is a future tax with interest compounded. It would be interesting to see what kind of effective tax (the additional tax we need to pay if we have to pay off Bush's deficit spending )will be.
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mesodude10 months ago
Obama is giving you reality and, like the President he voted in line with 95% of the time for the past 8 years, McCain is giving you mind warping delusion. Like Bush, he wants you to believe that the so called global war on terrorism is exactly like WWII--only with tax cuts as far as the eye can see, no draft, no rationing, no driving our cars less (so that we can at least pretend we know Americans are dying to protect our oil interests in that region) and no shared sacrifice as a country. Obama is offering us hope. McCain is offering us Fantasy Island.
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Cons need to understand that the reason we're in the mess we're in now is because shockingly poorly educated right wingers allowed themselves to be duped into believing that we could have multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and still go on with our lives as normal. No President in the history of the US has doled out war time tax cuts for the least needy Americans because no President in his right mind would ever subject Americans to a misguided disaster of this scope without obliging all Americans to share in the sacrifice. Why won't cons simply acknowledge that they'd be singing a whole different tune if this WERE like WWII and they actually had to expend some effort beyond flapping their gums endlessly and begging for us to destroy the planet so they can have cheap gas? I dare a con here to tell me that you'd be begging to stay the course if you were being sent on tour after tour after tour and getting shot at every day. No con will do this because you realize that McCain is a joke and Palin is an embarrassment to women everywhere. ;-( -
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ADAGUY10 months ago
Okay Spinward, show me your brains, no!, dammit pull your pants back up and turn around!
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Look,
This nation is currently in debt to the tune of 10 trillion dollars thanks to your party. The interest on the national debt is just about the same as the defense budget. (around 1/2 trillion dollars per year) This has been one of the major contributors to the weakening of the US dollar.
We are paying massive amounts for health care.
Many don't have health care.
We are running out of energy.
The best jobs in the nation are being sent overseas.
Something has to be done.
So lets start with the debt. We currently have three choices. Since the budget is greater than the tax revenue that is generated annually, we can either :
1. Raise taxes
2. Print more money
3. Borrow from China, thereby raising the debt even more.
Which one do you suggest?
McCain's answer: Lower taxes
Medicare will be broke by the year 2010 because the Bush medicare bill requires that medicare pay retail prices for drugs. Congress tried to revoke this bill, but Bush promises to veto any efforts to do so.
McCain's answer: None offered yet
We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
McCain's answer: drill now, in 10 years we may have more oil.
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Klarissa10 months ago
But unlike Mr Obama, Mr McCain littered his broad brush with odd moments of detail, and clear statements of vital principle. His delivery may have lacked the charisma and sonority of his opponent’s, but what he delivered will have connected with tens of millions of Americans, consolidating the shock of the new imposed on them the previous evening by Sarah Palin.
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ADAGUY9 months, 4 weeks ago
"his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?"
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Spin, let me introduce you to the basic concept of economics.
Example:
If you own a business, and the revenue you bring in is suddenly not enough to pay your expenses, do you:
A. increase revenue however possible
B. decrease expenses wherever possible
C. Decrease revenue
D. Increase expenses
The correct answers are A and B
McCain is promising to do C and D.
No matter how you count, it doesn't work. Reagan tried it with no luck, Then GW tried it with no luck.
It didn't work for either of them, and it won't work for McCain either.
Clinton and Bush Sr. both tried using A and B.
Both had better luck using these methods than the other two pres.
If it seems complex, try it with your own family budget.
The next time you are a little tight on cash, quit your job, and then go buy a new car. See if that makes things better. Perhaps then you will understand!
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jaern9 months, 4 weeks ago
Obama will offer incentive for companies to keep an employee base within the USA and tax those who don't. McCain will give incentives to business and corporations to outsource their base off US shores. How will McCain's plan benefit them to hire more US employees?
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inverse9 months, 4 weeks ago
Raise tax in capital letter won't scare me, but got our national debt to 10 trillions would. Although my family income is above $150,000 annually and may get increase in tax under Obama's administration, I'll be gladly pay for it. I care far more about our failing education system and our standing in science and technology. Obama at least have answer policy question on science (http://yubanet.com/scitech/Barack-Obama-answers-1... Palin and McCain, from the way they talk,are still not getting it.
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GLee10 months ago
Bottom line is, we need a true leader not a wanna be as our President. Obama's resume doesn't even begin to match up with Palins. Gezzzzzzz..........
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Spinward10 months ago
Obama STILL lacks any coherent energy plan, so we can count on fuel prices going up under Obama.
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I read his website and his "blue print"... it's vacuous. I was told it contained all of the details of his plans, but found very few.
On the economy, he supports empowering unions to grow their membership... that was the primary focus. Does he not realize that unions are like parasites on business?
He has NO IDEA how he can force businesses to hire in the face of higher taxes.
He has NO IDEA how he's going to force insurance companies into bankruptcy while madating that they issue policies.
He has NO IDEA how he's going to "turn back the oceans" and "heal the planet"...
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hyperbola10 months ago
A theocratic wacko is what you want GLee?
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Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
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Wolfie200710 months ago
Obama is beginning to say anything he thinks will get him a vote. The problem is when some one changes and repudiates all former statements, policies and positions then even if they should finally reach one or two you agree with, can you trust them? After all he's only shifting for a vote. Btw, doesn't his campaign resemble Dukaus' now more than Carter's?
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slate10 months ago
Obama must be worried; he actually had a sit down with the 'evil' O’Riely last Wednesday to try and garner the vote of the evil that watches FNC. He is so locked into the mindset of the ‘evil’ of the Iraq war that when asked about the ‘surge’ though he couldn’t help but admit that the surge worked, he couldn’t admit that he was wrong about saying it wouldn’t work. He seems to be more of a ‘puppet’ for the cause than even Bush.
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nostalgia10 months ago
FTA:
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"This sexism has been much commented upon; but just as revolting was the snobbery that had expensively-dressed East Coast types patronising her and sniffing at her barely middle-class lifestyle. The pregnant daughter was to them final proof that this was a depraved, dysfunctional clan of proletarians preparing to soil the second highest position in the land.
The printed press was far from being the main offender. That prize went to Obama groupies on some of the main networks, whose lives will be apparently be ruined if someone so vulgar as this hockey mom is allowed to win an election."
I don't think I've seen such sexism and elistism in my life - and coming from "progressives" who claim the want to empower women-
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obiefrommuskogee10 months ago
HOOLD ON there. I thought the GOP was the party of traditional values... you know, the one that identifies women as the primary care giver in the family-- hence all those madonna shots of Cindy and women holding up their babies at the convention.
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Palin is supposed to be the primary care giver of a special needs child. It's not sexist to ask how she plans to care for her kids as VP, and possibly (gag) as leader of the free world IF she is going to have a house husband, then that's all she needs to say. LEt's see him don the apron then...
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pc2510 months ago
Speaking with my brother the other night he had an interesting observation on one of Obama's promises.....Obama said he would go over the budget line by line and take out items he felt were unnecessary........NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER HAD A LINE ITEM VETO ON THE BUDGET......EVEN CLINTON TRIED THAT AND WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.........WHO IS THIS GUY KIDDING..........FANTASY HIS SPEECH.......BUT IT SOUNDED GOOD AS ALWAYS.
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nostalgia10 months ago
When has Obama EVER let the facts stand in the way of his assertions?
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gwhiddon10 months ago
Great article.
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It's a shame that it probably won't make it to the front page of Propeller - it isn't anti McCain-Palin.
I'm starting to wonder about Propeller the last week - it's starting to look like they have a leftward leaning bias too.-
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nostalgia10 months ago
"it's starting to look like they have a leftward leaning bias too"
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I think it would be safe to say - that is an understatement! -
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buckncindykill10 months ago
We conservatives are too busy with our jobs and businesses. We don't have all this time to swarm propeller with stories and posts like the libs do.
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hyperbola10 months ago
John McCain has been involved in repeated fleecing of american taxpayers to pay off corruption. His "financial advisor" Phil Gramm is one of those most directly responsible for the current bailouts of corruption at taxpayer expense.
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You have to be pretty desperately into a "sect" to want to continue McCain's kind of corruption.
The Fantasy of John and Sarah
As the GOP desperately uses taxpayer money to bail out corrupt financial circles, Sarah and John are busy raising money from the corrupt circles that led to the collapse of our economy. Then Sarah and John tell us that this corruption is what they will change.
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hefaa110 months ago
The last 8-years were an excellent introduction into the republican "Reality". McCain voted with Bush/Cheney over 90% of the time. Sorry, a change of less than 10% is not a big enough for me.
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donald5110 months ago
it was 95% of the time and don't forget that McBush wasn't even there to vote 61% of the time! Now, McBush has flip-flopped to the Bush position on the 5% too!
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buckncindykill10 months ago
First; President Bush doesn't have a vote in the Senate. So just who is it that McCain is voting with? That would be Republicans. But wait! Most votes in the Senate are unanimous! So that would mean that for most of those votes where McCain was voting "with Bush" you would find every Democrat voting right along with McCain. Funny we don't see that in the mainstream media. Fact is, where there is an actual contested and meaningful vote in the Senate you'll find McCain voting "with Bush" only 45% of the time.
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But .. that's The Chosen One for you .... He just memorizes a few good lines, like that "John McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time." He can handle those lines without a teleprompter even! Even the media is getting frustrated with Barack Obama to include any real substance in his speeches. His response? To claim that it is really McCain campaign that doesn't want to talk about the issues.
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buckncindykill10 months ago
How about; Education is the civil rights issue of this century. Equal access to public education has been gained. But what is the value of access to a failing school? We need to shake up failed school bureaucracies with competition, empower parents with choice, remove barriers to qualified instructors, attract and reward good teachers, and help bad teachers find another line of work.
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When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.
Senator Obama wants our schools to answer to unions and entrenched bureaucracies. I want schools to answer to parents and students. And when I'm President, they will -
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corl649 months, 4 weeks ago
I don't remember McCain, or anybody else, saying DRILL, DRILL, DRILL and DRILL NOW. What speech were you watching?
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corl649 months, 4 weeks ago
So, it's kinda like the herd mentality of the Libs when there is a derogatory title to the republicans to just come together and personally attack, insult, bash and smear anyone who does not share the same ideas to the point that the story, even multiple titled ones of the same article, reach the front page and absolutly dominate it so every other piece that has nothing to do with the election even gets snuffed out. AH...no, it's not like that.
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karola0710 months ago
It totally amazes me to see Mr. Mc Cain with Mrs Palin in toe as VP, They talk like for 8 years, there were no Republicans in charge, they graciously overlook Mr. Mc Cains voting with President Bush over 90 Procent of the time.They hope to attract Mrs. Clinton's woemen, I sure hope they are smart enough not to fall for these games. Can you imagine If anything healthwise would happen to Mr. Mc Cain, Mrs Palin to be our president. She might be a fine person and her experience is not to compare with Mrs. Clinton's. I 'm not comitted to neither party, but I believe a decent National Health Insurance is past due. Look at the world after the second world war the western world embarked on Health Insurance onle Insurance and Republicans were against such move, and that hasn't changed in all them Years. So we need a better change than Republicans can give us, Why didn't we push solar energy 20years ago SOLAR ON EVERY ROOF in Florida Arizona the sunny states? Drilling for oil Who would profit? dream on if you think the prices would come down, None of the candidates will be able to pull us out of the MESS the REPUBLICANS got us into in their time of Presidency, but I know in my heart, if we go on Republican for 4 more years This Nation will consist only of VERY WEALTHY and VERY POOR, our MIDDLE CLASS will slowly disappear. How many jobs have been lost in the last 2 years? Too many to keep track of and who is in Power in Washington? The REPUBLICANS. How smart can you get to see through their Spiel, of roomors defamation, it worked with Bush and Carey, maybe it'll work again, It's well worth to try. I myself would like someone INEPENDANT from Washington. Oh, I have one question for Mrs.. Palin, I would like to meet the NANNY of your children.
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canadianrancher5710 months ago
Way back in February I said that I thought that it would be Obama vs McCain and I wish I could find the story so everyone doesn't think that I'm full of it but I can't . I have listened to all of the major speeches and was not really impressed by many of them but I did enjoy the one Given by McCain, there was something that I like about McCain and after listening to his speech I have a feeling that he is alot closer to the average American than most give him credit for .
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When we question the speeches of the leaders we really cannot say one is lying if we are not going to apply the same stanard to the others and I do think that Barrack believes in change but McCain at least tried to provide a little more detail in what his vision is, and his vision if followed through on is sort of the direction that many Americans would like to see the country go.
This election is likely going to be a very close one, I'm just glad that I don't have to vote since it seems that before it is done the mud is going to be knee deep on everyone.-
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donald5110 months ago
wow, you saw a vision in McBush's speech? That is a first! Don't forget his "Bomb Bomb Iran," staying "in Iraq for 100 years" or his statement that he knows little "about economics"!
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He also needs a bulletin board in front of him to try and keep him up on his latest flip flopped positions... at least 80 and counting now! His latest being to reinstitute the draft for the forces to fight the additional wars he wants to start! He hasn't been the same since Cheney made him cave on his own Anti-Torture Bill! This man's compassion for his fellow soldiers/airmen is a pure facade and disgrace!
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brenda5210 months ago
I watched both conventions and one stark difference I saw was in McCain's crowd I saw very few young people , and Palin made it very clear she was not pro choice that is great for her but where does this leave Roe vs Wade? I heard talk of drilling in Alaska which I have never had the pleasure of visiting but have talked to several people who have said it is the last piece of beautiful wilderness left. Why not talk about alternative research that will be more environmentally friendly , but I do believe this is a prime example of my first statement , we need youth, and ingenuity to preserve our country and we must preserve for future generations.
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donald5110 months ago
...that is why Palin sued to get polar bears off the endangered list.... to drill drill drill... she is a big oil puppet like Stevens!
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quackpot10 months ago
McCain, who has a staff of ex-Bush aids proposes change?
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McCain who has consistently voted in line with Bush wishes proposes changes?
McCain who selected a vice presidential candidate who is happy to suck in tax payer dollars for her pet projects proposes change?
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Obabma/Biden offer chnage.
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purpleicon10 months ago
It always amazes me how many middle class people support the Republicans, when they are for the rich and powerful. The tax cuts that the Republicans promise are for the RICH, not the middle class. Sure , maybe a few bucks here and there, but the big breaks go to the rich. Really listen to what Republicans say, and maybe you might realize what a smokescreen of fear and propaganda they use in their rhetoric.
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donald5110 months ago
corrupt chicago pol? At least you are partially right on the alaska comment! What about MCBush supporting 95% of the Bush decisions that got us where we are now and bending the remaining five percent to agree with Bush in the last 2 years?
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linflowers10 months ago
The key point was not sending billions to people who don't like us very much. Lets get this message out and use it to get people to get out and vote McCain. It's the best line out there from both conventions. Let's roll with this as change not only that you can believe in, but one that would really work. There would then be lots of money for everyones pet project, and for soldiers to help protect us from those people who do not like us very much.
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wildman655710 months ago
Neither McCain or Obama are very good. McCain supports most of Bush's crazy policies and Obama's only strength seems to be able to talk good. Palin seems crazy and Obama's second is cemented in the culture of DC. We are in trouble.
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