Barack Obama's empty promises"
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Spinward1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama parades around the country telling us how terrible things are and his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?
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He thinks raising taxes on businesses and corporations, empowering unions, and mandating free benefits will HELP them hire more employees? Nobody with an IQ above 50 would fall for this.-
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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John McCain is up to his ears in corruption and war hysteria and the best he can do is offer us a corrupt "theocracy wacko"?
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McCain himself has criticized Palin's corruption (on earmarks) and we have also seen Palin abuse political power for personal vendettas. Worse still are palin's connections to ugly religious fanatics. She is right out of our very own "christian madrassas" and voting for her would be like voting for Osama Bin Laden.
We must either assume that McCain has become senile and lets extremists force wackos on him or he has sold out american democracy for power hunger/corruption (or both).
Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/06/sarah-pa...-
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Is this the kind of "americans" you support Spinward?
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'Arming' for Armageddon - Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy
Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
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FSU92grad1 year, 4 months ago
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Hey hyperbono?
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her alleged connections or affiliations to any religious finatics is nothing compared to Osama's connection to Rev Wright and his "Black Dominion" preaching....You know the "God Damned America" clown who blamed the government for creating AIDS to kill off all the black folk ? That guy ?
The one Osama said that he sat in the pews for 20 years and claimed never heard Wright preach "white hate" from the pulpit....You know, THAT guy ? How about the connections Osama had with our favorite, friendly terrorist William Ayers, head of a radical left organization called the "Weatherman", who claimed that he didn't do enough in regards to the setting of bombs....
No, hyperbobo.....I think you need to check your greek God Zeus on his affiliations and relatioships.....In fact, wasn't it you that said that affiliations and connections to radicals doesn't mean that person actually believes it ?
Yes, I think that's what you stupid libs said about Osama.....-
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Actually FSU, if it comes down to a choice between "religion" that advocates liberty and equality versus "religon" that advocates theocracy associated with racism and violent fascism, the first sounds an awful lot more American than the second. You really want Ayatollahs in America?
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Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
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inverse1 year, 4 months ago
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Bush raise our national debt to such an extent that is far more damaging than to merely raise tax. It is a future tax with interest compounded. It would be interesting to see what kind of effective tax (the additional tax we need to pay if we have to pay off Bush's deficit spending )will be.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.
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Obama will create a program to directly engage disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency opportunities to strengthen their communities, while also providing them with practical skills in this important high-growth career field.
Obama will double the federal Jobs Access and Reverse Commute program to ensure that additional federal public transportation dollars flow to the highest-need communities and that urban planning initiatives take this aspect of transportation policy into account.
Obama will work to ensure that ex-offenders have access to job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling, and employment opportunities. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program and reduce barriers to employment.-
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Itg could all be paid for with less than 10% of our military budget - you know the one where the Pentagon has "lost" trillions of dollars.
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'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Yes, America’s economy is a war economy. Not a “manufacturing” economy. Not an “agricultural” economy. Nor a “service” economy. Not even a “consumer” economy. Pentagon can't find $2.3 trillion, wasting trillions on 'national defense'.
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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That's easy. It doesn't have to get any larger (and could get smaller). We just need to go after all the waste, fraud, and abuse the GOP has been ignoring in corporate America, Defense spending, Homeland Security (what a horror), etc. We need to shift the emphases from among different areas. Immediately take back those billions in subsidies to oil companies (which we all know are basically kickbacks to GOP campaign coffers) and spend that money on alternative energy research and development.
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So many things we could do (large and small) to recover money wasted under Bush and GOP leadership. Actually fund NCLB, pay for ALL children's health insurance upfront (so we aren't paying more down the road when they have to go to the emergency room because they couldn't afford to see a dentist). So called "abstinence only" programs? SLASH. Tens of millions of dollars saved immediately (and that's just what we'd save in domestic dollars currently being wasted on such silliness). End no bid contracts (so we can see how cons (who love to claim they get everything they have through hard work and fair competition, blah blah) like Monica Goodling behave when they actually have to compete with the best of the best for their supper. This is just scratching the surface. Obama and Biden have a tough job ahead of them. Bush and Republicans have really reamed this country out. ;-(
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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There you go again thinking like a liberal. Did less federal spending ever enter your mind? Cut half a trillion dollars per year in useless programs and pork and use it to pay off the debt. Let's look ahead and figure out what to do about the debt instead of looking back at every administration since Hoover in the 1930's that caused the debt and never repaid it. Has congress ever paid back their IOU's to social security? (trillions of $$).
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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"Cut half a trillion dollars per year in useless programs and pork and use it to pay off the debt."
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!/2 trillion dollars a year will barely pay the interest on the debt. (providing the rates don't go up.)
I'll be the first to agree, there are a lot of places where the budget could be cut. The first that comes to mind is America's generosity with Disability claims.
But getting congress to agree on which ones to cut is a real trick.
Our governor cut medicade for the needy. After he got done, if a family made $75.00 a week, they made too much to qualify for medicade.
But he did not cut the existing salaries for the state legislators, nor did he try and stop any scheduled pay increases.
Thank You Matt Blunt! (what a guy)
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 4 months ago
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Is this the original headline of the article?
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How are Obama's promises any more "empty" than McCains? Did this writer just get their prophet's license? Evidently, he/she thinks they can predict the future.
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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It actually is the original title but what I find hilarious from cons like spin is that they slam every Canadian or other "foreign" poster here who doesn't agree with them. How many times do we read some silly wingnut's refrain that poster from country x "can't vote in our election" (and therefore said poster's opinions don't matter)? However if Osama Bin Laden himself said he "supports the troops or something they thought sounded patriotic, they'd bow at his feet. LOL Hypocrite cons are a scream when they're lying and backpeddling. ;-P
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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meso - Your usual weird thinking. I don't like foreigners slamming either of our candidates. Let them slam their own. One poster here was brought up in Iran. I prefer not to argue the merits of Ahmadinejad or his opponent in their next "election". If I do do I would expect to be ridiculed for my opinions as being none of my business. So be it. And what an example: Bin-Laden supporting our troops and any American bowing at his feet for any reason at all - right. Not if your friend or relative died in the twin towers. Not if you are a normal American. Try to move yourself into the real world!
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amazed1 year, 4 months ago
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fuhgeddabouddit....
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he's too steeped in his hatred for all things and beings that sit to the right of him.
I think he would truly choose Ahmedinejihad, Hussein and Bin Laden as more moral and upstanding and peaceful men than Bush and Cheney -- that's how deep his hatred of Americans with whom he disagrees appears to run.
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama is giving you reality and, like the President he voted in line with 95% of the time for the past 8 years, McCain is giving you mind warping delusion. Like Bush, he wants you to believe that the so called global war on terrorism is exactly like WWII--only with tax cuts as far as the eye can see, no draft, no rationing, no driving our cars less (so that we can at least pretend we know Americans are dying to protect our oil interests in that region) and no shared sacrifice as a country. Obama is offering us hope. McCain is offering us Fantasy Island.
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Cons need to understand that the reason we're in the mess we're in now is because shockingly poorly educated right wingers allowed themselves to be duped into believing that we could have multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and still go on with our lives as normal. No President in the history of the US has doled out war time tax cuts for the least needy Americans because no President in his right mind would ever subject Americans to a misguided disaster of this scope without obliging all Americans to share in the sacrifice. Why won't cons simply acknowledge that they'd be singing a whole different tune if this WERE like WWII and they actually had to expend some effort beyond flapping their gums endlessly and begging for us to destroy the planet so they can have cheap gas? I dare a con here to tell me that you'd be begging to stay the course if you were being sent on tour after tour after tour and getting shot at every day. No con will do this because you realize that McCain is a joke and Palin is an embarrassment to women everywhere. ;-(-
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama will increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty
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Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation
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Obama will provide all low and middle-income workers a $500 Making Work Pay tax credit to offset the payroll tax those workers pay in every paycheck.
Obama will also eliminate taxes for seniors making under $50,000 per year.
Obama will sign into law the Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to families instead of state bureaucracies.-
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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Klarissa,
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I asked you if you cons would be singing a different tune if you ALL had to SACRIFICE and put your lives on the line for the disaster you claim to support. Your response is to parrot horsecrap you read on a right wing smear blog about Obama. I'll address your points when you learn something other than broadcast mode. I'm sick of silly annoying cons who love to FLAP their YAPS but not listen.-
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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meso - You flap and yap and are a most annoying lib as usual. I am a con who am more than willing to sacrifice, as in WWII when most everything was rationed and my Father bought war bonds for me. I seriously doubt you would be one to do the same. Most of those who sacrificed didn't constantly complain and tear down their President whether you voted him or not. Many died in Europe and helped save freedom. You wouldn't. Even though I understand the war in Iraq was fought the wrong way, I don't want America to lose and waste what lives and treasure have already been lost. Like the time I carried a boxed 12,000 BTU window air conditioner up 20 steps because I wouldn't wait for help. At the 16th step I was thinking how I should've waited and let it drop back to the bottom. I didn't and finished the last 4 steps and enjoyed cool air that day. I have yet to hear you listen to a con and I expect you won't listen to my opinion seriously. Usually it's the biggest complainers who are the least doers when it comes to sacrifice. If the CIA wanted a high risk assignee to go and carry out a Sadaam Hussein or Bin-Laden hit job, I would take it, knowing I would likely be killed. You wouldn't.
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italymeetsdixie1 year, 4 months ago
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Klarissa:
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I would feel so much less ****** off about spending my tax dollars on the poor in this country, than the the rich (Exxon) in Iraq. Yet I am still unsure how this country can afford to help anyone including the poor, with our budget, deficit, and spending.
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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My response to Klarissa goes for you too, silly wingnut. I'll address the merits (if any) of your horsecrap response when you address the very valid points I make in my post. You're not sacrificing SQUAT so of freaking course all you have to do is sit on your ass and BITCH all day long about how much the poor or taking from you. You people are useless. If you and everyone in your family actually were feeling the pain (literally and figuratively) of war like we did in WWII, you wouldn't have the gall to sob and whine so much. Get serious, cons. You're insane. ;-(
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corl641 year, 4 months ago
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Ok jerk***, the reason nobody ever answers you is because your comments are nothing but incoherent babble. You want someone to answer "the very valid points I make in my post", where the f*** are they? You come on here ranting about things that never make sense with your horsesh!t attitude like you're some kind of f***kin' genious and do nothing but belittle any one and everyone who disagrees with your f***d up opinions. I think you're probably some kind of lunatic that has no friends and are pi$$ed about something that only you can understand. Why can't you just try to actually talk to someone like a human being instead of a piece of trash for once. Make some valid points for once and try having a discussion instead of talking down to complete strangers that you don't even know. That is what sites like this are for, if you can't handle doing that, then go somewhere else that someone will stroke that enormous ego of yours!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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meso - "McCain is giving you mind warping delusion"
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"shockingly poorly educated right wingers"
"McCain is a joke and Palin is an embarrassment to women
everywhere"
"if Osama Bin Laden himself said he "supports the troops or something they thought sounded patriotic, they'd bow at his feet. LOL Hypocrite cons are a scream when they're lying and backpeddling."
"we have also seen Palin abuse political power for personal vendettas. Worse still are palin's connections to ugly religious fanatics. She is right out of our very own "christian madrassas" and voting for her would be like voting for Osama Bin Laden."
Who wrote these smears. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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Okay Spinward, show me your brains, no!, dammit pull your pants back up and turn around!
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Look,
This nation is currently in debt to the tune of 10 trillion dollars thanks to your party. The interest on the national debt is just about the same as the defense budget. (around 1/2 trillion dollars per year) This has been one of the major contributors to the weakening of the US dollar.
We are paying massive amounts for health care.
Many don't have health care.
We are running out of energy.
The best jobs in the nation are being sent overseas.
Something has to be done.
So lets start with the debt. We currently have three choices. Since the budget is greater than the tax revenue that is generated annually, we can either :
1. Raise taxes
2. Print more money
3. Borrow from China, thereby raising the debt even more.
Which one do you suggest?
McCain's answer: Lower taxes
Medicare will be broke by the year 2010 because the Bush medicare bill requires that medicare pay retail prices for drugs. Congress tried to revoke this bill, but Bush promises to veto any efforts to do so.
McCain's answer: None offered yet
We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
McCain's answer: drill now, in 10 years we may have more oil.
Jobs going overseas.
McCain's answer: "the automotive jobs aren't coming back!"-
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FSU92grad1 year, 4 months ago
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We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups
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Osama's answer: Raise your taxes even more and more spending
McCain: Cut your taxes and reduce spending (btw, Palin has done just that in Alaska...Sold her unnecessary jet, got rid of her cook, and many other things that tax payers were paying for...Do you think Al Gore would do that, Pelosi, Hillary, Osama ? Hell, no !)
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Osama's answer: Tax the rich and big oil
McCain answer: Cut taxes so the rich invest in small businesses and start-ups which is good for anybody's economy...Drilling here and now will create a mulitude of many new jobs not to mention the new jobs created from nuclear plants, clean coal and natural gas facilities....But I guess those jobs don't count....
The main contributor to the weakening dollar and the sluggish economy, dipchit, is the housing market and high gas prices which you libs have single-handedly prevented us from solving....
It's like you want to solve all these problems, but then you create new ones by not allowing the very solutions to fix the problems....And then you blame Bush for not fixing the problems...
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
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''We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups''
where's mccain's answer?
I noticed you provided mccain's side to the two other examples, but not this first one
and if liberals 'are the problem', shouldn't the answer be to shoot all the liberals? when are we gonna get around to that? all Bush did was imply that liberals are not for the war, and therefore against 'us' and traitors, but never got around to giving the traitors who did not support his administration what traitors usually get
until all the liberals are killed so they don't cause or continue all the problems, you might as well save your breath--confer:
"The main contributor to the weakening dollar and the sluggish economy, dipchit, is the housing market and high gas prices which you libs have single-handedly prevented us from solving....''
well maybe the liberals don't have to be killed, just kept out of power
If only the non-liberal conservative right wingers had control of the government for a few years, maybe we could get some of these problems cleared up-
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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You are never going to strengthen the economy by cutting taxes, and thereby going in debt further. You have to bring back the manufacturing jobs. This means tariffs on imported goods. This is where the republickins' have a problem. They aren't concerned about the well being of the US economy, they are each concerned about about getting re-elected, and that means that all they have to do is please their own district, The hell with everyone else.
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You will never solve the energy problem without more government investing in alternative energy sources, as well as research. There is nothing liberal about it, but it is going to take some profit away from the big boys.
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amazed1 year, 4 months ago
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omg??? Did you EVER read a history book in your life????
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Protective tariffs (taxes on imports) have NEVER solved an economic problem, they have only led to political (and often serious) problems with the country targeted by the protective tariff.
How about cutting gov't spending as well as taxes to stimulate the economy? If people have more money that they get to hang on to, they have more money to spend or invest, thereby improving the economy.
The GOVERNMENT should not be investing in alternative energy strategies, but it SHOULD be providing incentives for private industries to research and develop alternative plans....
AND....if you go back to Bush's State of the Union addresses for every year that he has been in office, he has proposed R in alternative energy.... BUT...Congress (the ones who actually allocate funds) apparently were loathe to let a Republican president (esp. this one) get any credit for anything that might be ecologically sound, AND it really hasn't been economically feasible until recently.
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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You must be reading some very slanted history books. Through modern history, all the way into the 80's, we had tariffs in place to protect the american worker from sweat shop labor competition. It worked and it worked well. Then Reagan started spouting "free trade, and global economy". Eventually tariffs were lifted gradually until they practically all but disappeared. This is when WalMart really began to take off.
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These manufacturing jobs have been replaced with fast food jobs, and low paying service sector jobs with little or no benefits, most of which are part time.
Apparently you aren't old enough to recall the 50's, & 60's, But I recall them well.
This is back when the "made in Japan" label was not often found!
I don't know what history books you are reading, but they must have been published by the GOP.-
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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You are behind the times. It's "Made in China" now. And why are all the American workers buying all that crap? The protectionist and isolationist policies have been deemed to be bad for us in the past but I can see a case for going back to it. That means we would have to make our own shirts and toys, etc. and pay twice as much. I'm all for that, so let's drop the free trade (except to Canada) our good friend to the north. No the GOP didn't write those history books. I was told the same in school in the 1950's.
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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"You are behind the times."
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Made in Japan comment was to reflect what you seldom saw in the 60's, now all you see is China Pakistan and India!
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
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drill drill drill
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will not
stop stop stop
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on foreign oil oil oil
[tho I do consider McCain the luckiest man on the face of the earth]
my question wasn't what's McCain's answer so much as noticing FSU didn't put an answer there as he did with following examples
the idea of drill drill drill has been explored on here, but not by me personally
but I get the idea that oil companies are in it to make money, and unless they are forced to use that oil as a national resource, the world market will set the price, and they'll sell to whoever can pay with no loyalty to this country. with my limited knowledge, I can't see oiil companies pursuing options that make them LESS money. But me expounding on money matters is like an eskimo talking about sun tan lotions
but like I said I haven't researched it and like McCain said about himself, economics is not my thing.
like him I'm more into the ladies
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mesodude1 year, 4 months ago
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"We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups"
He's being nice. Get off your lazy ass and ride a bike. Us "treehuggers" are tired of biting the conservation bullet so you fat lazy whiny cons can all sit back and bitch all day about how the poor are sucking the dollars out of your wallet. Hit the bike trails, you whiny nutjobs. And be sure to take your tire gauge with you. ;-P-
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama will expand Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000 low-income, first-time mothers each year, to provide home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families.
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Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year.
Obama will create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.
Obama will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program.
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Klarissa1 year, 4 months ago
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But unlike Mr Obama, Mr McCain littered his broad brush with odd moments of detail, and clear statements of vital principle. His delivery may have lacked the charisma and sonority of his opponent’s, but what he delivered will have connected with tens of millions of Americans, consolidating the shock of the new imposed on them the previous evening by Sarah Palin.
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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"his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?"
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Spin, let me introduce you to the basic concept of economics.
Example:
If you own a business, and the revenue you bring in is suddenly not enough to pay your expenses, do you:
A. increase revenue however possible
B. decrease expenses wherever possible
C. Decrease revenue
D. Increase expenses
The correct answers are A and B
McCain is promising to do C and D.
No matter how you count, it doesn't work. Reagan tried it with no luck, Then GW tried it with no luck.
It didn't work for either of them, and it won't work for McCain either.
Clinton and Bush Sr. both tried using A and B.
Both had better luck using these methods than the other two pres.
If it seems complex, try it with your own family budget.
The next time you are a little tight on cash, quit your job, and then go buy a new car. See if that makes things better. Perhaps then you will understand!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago
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If you own a business, and the revenue you bring in is suddenly not enough to pay your expenses, do you:
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A. increase revenue however possible
B. decrease expenses wherever possible
C. Decrease revenue
D. Increase expenses
You forgot one thing. That's for a profit making business (A & B). The government is not that and has little accountability or incentive to produce any real results. It is the opposite for them. Make promises but don't necessarily deliver. Best to reverse the business rule for government. Cut revenues so they can't spend it and real businesses can. As far as I know increasing expenses (D) is not McCain's thing but is Obama's. Do you understand that philosophy?-
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ADAGUY1 year, 4 months ago
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If you don't see McCain increasing the debt, tell me, how is he going to cut taxes and fill even 50% of the promises he is making, and still cut taxes at the same time? (Including the continuation of Bush policies)
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Cutting taxes at a time like this will certainly increase the debt.
We are currently paying around 1/2 trillion a year just on interest. That is almost as much as the entire military budget.
Obama's tax increase and his stance on jobs are the things that are making me lean toward him.
The GOP does not care about the voters, they care only about the wealthy.
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jaern1 year, 4 months ago
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Obama will offer incentive for companies to keep an employee base within the USA and tax those who don't. McCain will give incentives to business and corporations to outsource their base off US shores. How will McCain's plan benefit them to hire more US employees?
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inverse1 year, 4 months ago
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Raise tax in capital letter won't scare me, but got our national debt to 10 trillions would. Although my family income is above $150,000 annually and may get increase in tax under Obama's administration, I'll be gladly pay for it. I care far more about our failing education system and our standing in science and technology. Obama at least have answer policy question on science (http://yubanet.com/scitech/Barack-Obama-answers-1... Palin and McCain, from the way they talk,are still not getting it.
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traveler20001 year, 4 months ago
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I can't understand how some unknown can give you a negative vote.
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One might not agree with you, but should at least appreciate the fact that you are prepared to pay more tax for the general good of most (e.g. education...).
The person giving you a negative should at least say why...
I gave you a positive (obviously).
I hate the fact that with the new (horrible) Propeller, you never know who gives the votes, especially the negatives.
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