Barack Obama's empty promises"
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Barack Obama's empty promises »
Posted By Spinward 1 year, 3 months ago in News
As the thousands of red, white and blue balloons, the tinsel and
the tickertape descended from the rafters on the Republican
convention moments after John McCain had finished addressing it, I
at last worked out what had been the key difference between this
event and the Democratic beano the week before.
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Spinward1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama parades around the country telling us how terrible things are and his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?
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He thinks raising taxes on businesses and corporations, empowering unions, and mandating free benefits will HELP them hire more employees? Nobody with an IQ above 50 would fall for this.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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John McCain is up to his ears in corruption and war hysteria and the best he can do is offer us a corrupt "theocracy wacko"?
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McCain himself has criticized Palin's corruption (on earmarks) and we have also seen Palin abuse political power for personal vendettas. Worse still are palin's connections to ugly religious fanatics. She is right out of our very own "christian madrassas" and voting for her would be like voting for Osama Bin Laden.
We must either assume that McCain has become senile and lets extremists force wackos on him or he has sold out american democracy for power hunger/corruption (or both).
Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/06/sarah-pa...-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Is this the kind of "americans" you support Spinward?
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'Arming' for Armageddon - Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy
Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Hey hyperbono?
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her alleged connections or affiliations to any religious finatics is nothing compared to Osama's connection to Rev Wright and his "Black Dominion" preaching....You know the "God Damned America" clown who blamed the government for creating AIDS to kill off all the black folk ? That guy ?
The one Osama said that he sat in the pews for 20 years and claimed never heard Wright preach "white hate" from the pulpit....You know, THAT guy ? How about the connections Osama had with our favorite, friendly terrorist William Ayers, head of a radical left organization called the "Weatherman", who claimed that he didn't do enough in regards to the setting of bombs....
No, hyperbobo.....I think you need to check your greek God Zeus on his affiliations and relatioships.....In fact, wasn't it you that said that affiliations and connections to radicals doesn't mean that person actually believes it ?
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually FSU, if it comes down to a choice between "religion" that advocates liberty and equality versus "religon" that advocates theocracy associated with racism and violent fascism, the first sounds an awful lot more American than the second. You really want Ayatollahs in America?
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Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/06/where-ha...
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inverse1 year, 3 months ago
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Bush raise our national debt to such an extent that is far more damaging than to merely raise tax. It is a future tax with interest compounded. It would be interesting to see what kind of effective tax (the additional tax we need to pay if we have to pay off Bush's deficit spending )will be.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.
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Obama will create a program to directly engage disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency opportunities to strengthen their communities, while also providing them with practical skills in this important high-growth career field.
Obama will double the federal Jobs Access and Reverse Commute program to ensure that additional federal public transportation dollars flow to the highest-need communities and that urban planning initiatives take this aspect of transportation policy into account.
Obama will work to ensure that ex-offenders have access to job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling, and employment opportunities. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program and reduce barriers to employment.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Itg could all be paid for with less than 10% of our military budget - you know the one where the Pentagon has "lost" trillions of dollars.
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'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Yes, America’s economy is a war economy. Not a “manufacturing” economy. Not an “agricultural” economy. Nor a “service” economy. Not even a “consumer” economy. Pentagon can't find $2.3 trillion, wasting trillions on 'national defense'.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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That's easy. It doesn't have to get any larger (and could get smaller). We just need to go after all the waste, fraud, and abuse the GOP has been ignoring in corporate America, Defense spending, Homeland Security (what a horror), etc. We need to shift the emphases from among different areas. Immediately take back those billions in subsidies to oil companies (which we all know are basically kickbacks to GOP campaign coffers) and spend that money on alternative energy research and development.
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So many things we could do (large and small) to recover money wasted under Bush and GOP leadership. Actually fund NCLB, pay for ALL children's health insurance upfront (so we aren't paying more down the road when they have to go to the emergency room because they couldn't afford to see a dentist). So called "abstinence only" programs? SLASH. Tens of millions of dollars saved immediately (and that's just what we'd save in domestic dollars currently being wasted on such silliness). End no bid contracts (so we can see how cons (who love to claim they get everything they have through hard work and fair competition, blah blah) like Monica Goodling behave when they actually have to compete with the best of the best for their supper. This is just scratching the surface. Obama and Biden have a tough job ahead of them. Bush and Republicans have really reamed this country out. ;-(
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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There you go again thinking like a liberal. Did less federal spending ever enter your mind? Cut half a trillion dollars per year in useless programs and pork and use it to pay off the debt. Let's look ahead and figure out what to do about the debt instead of looking back at every administration since Hoover in the 1930's that caused the debt and never repaid it. Has congress ever paid back their IOU's to social security? (trillions of $$).
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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"Cut half a trillion dollars per year in useless programs and pork and use it to pay off the debt."
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!/2 trillion dollars a year will barely pay the interest on the debt. (providing the rates don't go up.)
I'll be the first to agree, there are a lot of places where the budget could be cut. The first that comes to mind is America's generosity with Disability claims.
But getting congress to agree on which ones to cut is a real trick.
Our governor cut medicade for the needy. After he got done, if a family made $75.00 a week, they made too much to qualify for medicade.
But he did not cut the existing salaries for the state legislators, nor did he try and stop any scheduled pay increases.
Thank You Matt Blunt! (what a guy)
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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Is this the original headline of the article?
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How are Obama's promises any more "empty" than McCains? Did this writer just get their prophet's license? Evidently, he/she thinks they can predict the future.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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It actually is the original title but what I find hilarious from cons like spin is that they slam every Canadian or other "foreign" poster here who doesn't agree with them. How many times do we read some silly wingnut's refrain that poster from country x "can't vote in our election" (and therefore said poster's opinions don't matter)? However if Osama Bin Laden himself said he "supports the troops or something they thought sounded patriotic, they'd bow at his feet. LOL Hypocrite cons are a scream when they're lying and backpeddling. ;-P
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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meso - Your usual weird thinking. I don't like foreigners slamming either of our candidates. Let them slam their own. One poster here was brought up in Iran. I prefer not to argue the merits of Ahmadinejad or his opponent in their next "election". If I do do I would expect to be ridiculed for my opinions as being none of my business. So be it. And what an example: Bin-Laden supporting our troops and any American bowing at his feet for any reason at all - right. Not if your friend or relative died in the twin towers. Not if you are a normal American. Try to move yourself into the real world!
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
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fuhgeddabouddit....
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he's too steeped in his hatred for all things and beings that sit to the right of him.
I think he would truly choose Ahmedinejihad, Hussein and Bin Laden as more moral and upstanding and peaceful men than Bush and Cheney -- that's how deep his hatred of Americans with whom he disagrees appears to run.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama is giving you reality and, like the President he voted in line with 95% of the time for the past 8 years, McCain is giving you mind warping delusion. Like Bush, he wants you to believe that the so called global war on terrorism is exactly like WWII--only with tax cuts as far as the eye can see, no draft, no rationing, no driving our cars less (so that we can at least pretend we know Americans are dying to protect our oil interests in that region) and no shared sacrifice as a country. Obama is offering us hope. McCain is offering us Fantasy Island.
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Cons need to understand that the reason we're in the mess we're in now is because shockingly poorly educated right wingers allowed themselves to be duped into believing that we could have multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and still go on with our lives as normal. No President in the history of the US has doled out war time tax cuts for the least needy Americans because no President in his right mind would ever subject Americans to a misguided disaster of this scope without obliging all Americans to share in the sacrifice. Why won't cons simply acknowledge that they'd be singing a whole different tune if this WERE like WWII and they actually had to expend some effort beyond flapping their gums endlessly and begging for us to destroy the planet so they can have cheap gas? I dare a con here to tell me that you'd be begging to stay the course if you were being sent on tour after tour after tour and getting shot at every day. No con will do this because you realize that McCain is a joke and Palin is an embarrassment to women everywhere. ;-(-
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama will increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty
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Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation
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Obama will provide all low and middle-income workers a $500 Making Work Pay tax credit to offset the payroll tax those workers pay in every paycheck.
Obama will also eliminate taxes for seniors making under $50,000 per year.
Obama will sign into law the Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to families instead of state bureaucracies.-
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa,
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I asked you if you cons would be singing a different tune if you ALL had to SACRIFICE and put your lives on the line for the disaster you claim to support. Your response is to parrot horsecrap you read on a right wing smear blog about Obama. I'll address your points when you learn something other than broadcast mode. I'm sick of silly annoying cons who love to FLAP their YAPS but not listen.-
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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meso - You flap and yap and are a most annoying lib as usual. I am a con who am more than willing to sacrifice, as in WWII when most everything was rationed and my Father bought war bonds for me. I seriously doubt you would be one to do the same. Most of those who sacrificed didn't constantly complain and tear down their President whether you voted him or not. Many died in Europe and helped save freedom. You wouldn't. Even though I understand the war in Iraq was fought the wrong way, I don't want America to lose and waste what lives and treasure have already been lost. Like the time I carried a boxed 12,000 BTU window air conditioner up 20 steps because I wouldn't wait for help. At the 16th step I was thinking how I should've waited and let it drop back to the bottom. I didn't and finished the last 4 steps and enjoyed cool air that day. I have yet to hear you listen to a con and I expect you won't listen to my opinion seriously. Usually it's the biggest complainers who are the least doers when it comes to sacrifice. If the CIA wanted a high risk assignee to go and carry out a Sadaam Hussein or Bin-Laden hit job, I would take it, knowing I would likely be killed. You wouldn't.
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italymeetsdixie1 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa:
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I would feel so much less ****** off about spending my tax dollars on the poor in this country, than the the rich (Exxon) in Iraq. Yet I am still unsure how this country can afford to help anyone including the poor, with our budget, deficit, and spending.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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My response to Klarissa goes for you too, silly wingnut. I'll address the merits (if any) of your horsecrap response when you address the very valid points I make in my post. You're not sacrificing SQUAT so of freaking course all you have to do is sit on your ass and BITCH all day long about how much the poor or taking from you. You people are useless. If you and everyone in your family actually were feeling the pain (literally and figuratively) of war like we did in WWII, you wouldn't have the gall to sob and whine so much. Get serious, cons. You're insane. ;-(
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corl641 year, 3 months ago
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Ok jerk***, the reason nobody ever answers you is because your comments are nothing but incoherent babble. You want someone to answer "the very valid points I make in my post", where the f*** are they? You come on here ranting about things that never make sense with your horsesh!t attitude like you're some kind of f***kin' genious and do nothing but belittle any one and everyone who disagrees with your f***d up opinions. I think you're probably some kind of lunatic that has no friends and are pi$$ed about something that only you can understand. Why can't you just try to actually talk to someone like a human being instead of a piece of trash for once. Make some valid points for once and try having a discussion instead of talking down to complete strangers that you don't even know. That is what sites like this are for, if you can't handle doing that, then go somewhere else that someone will stroke that enormous ego of yours!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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meso - "McCain is giving you mind warping delusion"
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"shockingly poorly educated right wingers"
"McCain is a joke and Palin is an embarrassment to women
everywhere"
"if Osama Bin Laden himself said he "supports the troops or something they thought sounded patriotic, they'd bow at his feet. LOL Hypocrite cons are a scream when they're lying and backpeddling."
"we have also seen Palin abuse political power for personal vendettas. Worse still are palin's connections to ugly religious fanatics. She is right out of our very own "christian madrassas" and voting for her would be like voting for Osama Bin Laden."
Who wrote these smears. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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Okay Spinward, show me your brains, no!, dammit pull your pants back up and turn around!
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Look,
This nation is currently in debt to the tune of 10 trillion dollars thanks to your party. The interest on the national debt is just about the same as the defense budget. (around 1/2 trillion dollars per year) This has been one of the major contributors to the weakening of the US dollar.
We are paying massive amounts for health care.
Many don't have health care.
We are running out of energy.
The best jobs in the nation are being sent overseas.
Something has to be done.
So lets start with the debt. We currently have three choices. Since the budget is greater than the tax revenue that is generated annually, we can either :
1. Raise taxes
2. Print more money
3. Borrow from China, thereby raising the debt even more.
Which one do you suggest?
McCain's answer: Lower taxes
Medicare will be broke by the year 2010 because the Bush medicare bill requires that medicare pay retail prices for drugs. Congress tried to revoke this bill, but Bush promises to veto any efforts to do so.
McCain's answer: None offered yet
We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
McCain's answer: drill now, in 10 years we may have more oil.
Jobs going overseas.
McCain's answer: "the automotive jobs aren't coming back!"-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups
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Osama's answer: Raise your taxes even more and more spending
McCain: Cut your taxes and reduce spending (btw, Palin has done just that in Alaska...Sold her unnecessary jet, got rid of her cook, and many other things that tax payers were paying for...Do you think Al Gore would do that, Pelosi, Hillary, Osama ? Hell, no !)
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Osama's answer: Tax the rich and big oil
McCain answer: Cut taxes so the rich invest in small businesses and start-ups which is good for anybody's economy...Drilling here and now will create a mulitude of many new jobs not to mention the new jobs created from nuclear plants, clean coal and natural gas facilities....But I guess those jobs don't count....
The main contributor to the weakening dollar and the sluggish economy, dipchit, is the housing market and high gas prices which you libs have single-handedly prevented us from solving....
It's like you want to solve all these problems, but then you create new ones by not allowing the very solutions to fix the problems....And then you blame Bush for not fixing the problems...
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups''
where's mccain's answer?
I noticed you provided mccain's side to the two other examples, but not this first one
and if liberals 'are the problem', shouldn't the answer be to shoot all the liberals? when are we gonna get around to that? all Bush did was imply that liberals are not for the war, and therefore against 'us' and traitors, but never got around to giving the traitors who did not support his administration what traitors usually get
until all the liberals are killed so they don't cause or continue all the problems, you might as well save your breath--confer:
"The main contributor to the weakening dollar and the sluggish economy, dipchit, is the housing market and high gas prices which you libs have single-handedly prevented us from solving....''
well maybe the liberals don't have to be killed, just kept out of power
If only the non-liberal conservative right wingers had control of the government for a few years, maybe we could get some of these problems cleared up-
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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You are never going to strengthen the economy by cutting taxes, and thereby going in debt further. You have to bring back the manufacturing jobs. This means tariffs on imported goods. This is where the republickins' have a problem. They aren't concerned about the well being of the US economy, they are each concerned about about getting re-elected, and that means that all they have to do is please their own district, The hell with everyone else.
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You will never solve the energy problem without more government investing in alternative energy sources, as well as research. There is nothing liberal about it, but it is going to take some profit away from the big boys.
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
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omg??? Did you EVER read a history book in your life????
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Protective tariffs (taxes on imports) have NEVER solved an economic problem, they have only led to political (and often serious) problems with the country targeted by the protective tariff.
How about cutting gov't spending as well as taxes to stimulate the economy? If people have more money that they get to hang on to, they have more money to spend or invest, thereby improving the economy.
The GOVERNMENT should not be investing in alternative energy strategies, but it SHOULD be providing incentives for private industries to research and develop alternative plans....
AND....if you go back to Bush's State of the Union addresses for every year that he has been in office, he has proposed R in alternative energy.... BUT...Congress (the ones who actually allocate funds) apparently were loathe to let a Republican president (esp. this one) get any credit for anything that might be ecologically sound, AND it really hasn't been economically feasible until recently.
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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You must be reading some very slanted history books. Through modern history, all the way into the 80's, we had tariffs in place to protect the american worker from sweat shop labor competition. It worked and it worked well. Then Reagan started spouting "free trade, and global economy". Eventually tariffs were lifted gradually until they practically all but disappeared. This is when WalMart really began to take off.
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These manufacturing jobs have been replaced with fast food jobs, and low paying service sector jobs with little or no benefits, most of which are part time.
Apparently you aren't old enough to recall the 50's, & 60's, But I recall them well.
This is back when the "made in Japan" label was not often found!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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You are behind the times. It's "Made in China" now. And why are all the American workers buying all that crap? The protectionist and isolationist policies have been deemed to be bad for us in the past but I can see a case for going back to it. That means we would have to make our own shirts and toys, etc. and pay twice as much. I'm all for that, so let's drop the free trade (except to Canada) our good friend to the north. No the GOP didn't write those history books. I was told the same in school in the 1950's.
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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"You are behind the times."
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Made in Japan comment was to reflect what you seldom saw in the 60's, now all you see is China Pakistan and India!
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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drill drill drill
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[tho I do consider McCain the luckiest man on the face of the earth]
my question wasn't what's McCain's answer so much as noticing FSU didn't put an answer there as he did with following examples
the idea of drill drill drill has been explored on here, but not by me personally
but I get the idea that oil companies are in it to make money, and unless they are forced to use that oil as a national resource, the world market will set the price, and they'll sell to whoever can pay with no loyalty to this country. with my limited knowledge, I can't see oiil companies pursuing options that make them LESS money. But me expounding on money matters is like an eskimo talking about sun tan lotions
but like I said I haven't researched it and like McCain said about himself, economics is not my thing.
like him I'm more into the ladies
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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"We must stop our dependence on foreign oil.
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Osama's answer: Inflate your tires and get tune-ups"
He's being nice. Get off your lazy ass and ride a bike. Us "treehuggers" are tired of biting the conservation bullet so you fat lazy whiny cons can all sit back and bitch all day about how the poor are sucking the dollars out of your wallet. Hit the bike trails, you whiny nutjobs. And be sure to take your tire gauge with you. ;-P-
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama will expand Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000 low-income, first-time mothers each year, to provide home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families.
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Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year.
Obama will create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.
Obama will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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But unlike Mr Obama, Mr McCain littered his broad brush with odd moments of detail, and clear statements of vital principle. His delivery may have lacked the charisma and sonority of his opponent’s, but what he delivered will have connected with tens of millions of Americans, consolidating the shock of the new imposed on them the previous evening by Sarah Palin.
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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"his big solution is... RAISE TAXES?"
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Spin, let me introduce you to the basic concept of economics.
Example:
If you own a business, and the revenue you bring in is suddenly not enough to pay your expenses, do you:
A. increase revenue however possible
B. decrease expenses wherever possible
C. Decrease revenue
D. Increase expenses
The correct answers are A and B
McCain is promising to do C and D.
No matter how you count, it doesn't work. Reagan tried it with no luck, Then GW tried it with no luck.
It didn't work for either of them, and it won't work for McCain either.
Clinton and Bush Sr. both tried using A and B.
Both had better luck using these methods than the other two pres.
If it seems complex, try it with your own family budget.
The next time you are a little tight on cash, quit your job, and then go buy a new car. See if that makes things better. Perhaps then you will understand!
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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If you own a business, and the revenue you bring in is suddenly not enough to pay your expenses, do you:
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A. increase revenue however possible
B. decrease expenses wherever possible
C. Decrease revenue
D. Increase expenses
You forgot one thing. That's for a profit making business (A & B). The government is not that and has little accountability or incentive to produce any real results. It is the opposite for them. Make promises but don't necessarily deliver. Best to reverse the business rule for government. Cut revenues so they can't spend it and real businesses can. As far as I know increasing expenses (D) is not McCain's thing but is Obama's. Do you understand that philosophy?-
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ADAGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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If you don't see McCain increasing the debt, tell me, how is he going to cut taxes and fill even 50% of the promises he is making, and still cut taxes at the same time? (Including the continuation of Bush policies)
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Cutting taxes at a time like this will certainly increase the debt.
We are currently paying around 1/2 trillion a year just on interest. That is almost as much as the entire military budget.
Obama's tax increase and his stance on jobs are the things that are making me lean toward him.
The GOP does not care about the voters, they care only about the wealthy.
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jaern1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama will offer incentive for companies to keep an employee base within the USA and tax those who don't. McCain will give incentives to business and corporations to outsource their base off US shores. How will McCain's plan benefit them to hire more US employees?
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inverse1 year, 3 months ago
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Raise tax in capital letter won't scare me, but got our national debt to 10 trillions would. Although my family income is above $150,000 annually and may get increase in tax under Obama's administration, I'll be gladly pay for it. I care far more about our failing education system and our standing in science and technology. Obama at least have answer policy question on science (http://yubanet.com/scitech/Barack-Obama-answers-1... Palin and McCain, from the way they talk,are still not getting it.
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I can't understand how some unknown can give you a negative vote.
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One might not agree with you, but should at least appreciate the fact that you are prepared to pay more tax for the general good of most (e.g. education...).
The person giving you a negative should at least say why...
I gave you a positive (obviously).
I hate the fact that with the new (horrible) Propeller, you never know who gives the votes, especially the negatives.
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Spinward1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama STILL lacks any coherent energy plan, so we can count on fuel prices going up under Obama.
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I read his website and his "blue print"... it's vacuous. I was told it contained all of the details of his plans, but found very few.
On the economy, he supports empowering unions to grow their membership... that was the primary focus. Does he not realize that unions are like parasites on business?
He has NO IDEA how he can force businesses to hire in the face of higher taxes.
He has NO IDEA how he's going to force insurance companies into bankruptcy while madating that they issue policies.
He has NO IDEA how he's going to "turn back the oceans" and "heal the planet"...
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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It's so funny to hear cons making jokes about conservation. What pea-brained right wingers fail to realize is that if it weren't for us "treehuggers" on the left (who are walking, riding our bikes, carpooling and taking public transportation--even though many of us could still drive if we wanted to), you people would be paying way the hell more than Bush and his oil baron buddies have been ripping you off for. Yuk it up, wingnuts. November will soon be here. ;-)
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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"November will soon be here..."
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yep and McCain/Palin will be your new President and VP....
Get used to it...
And btw, mesodufus, EVERYBODY already knows about conservation and inflating tires...That's the hilarious part of Osama's comments...It's common knowledge... Inflate your tires ? DUH !!! Tell us something we don't know especially since 80% of the tires out there are already properly inflated...
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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You don't know SQUAT about conservation and you don't know how to use a freaking tire gauge. Get serious. I totally believe people living in states where they and their wife and kids all want the right to own and drive their gas guzzling tanks at 90 mph know what a tire gauge is for, FOSx92drag. Just because all your fellow cons have low IQs doesn't mean intelligent people will fall for your lies. No one believes you people are serious about conservation so stop lying. It's boring.
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tiredofwhiners1 year, 3 months ago
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I'll run circles around you regarding conservation and economics too. I'll throw in science as well. I doubt you could pass any of the 3 tests and would starve to death if left to yourself. I'll toss in common sense and civility too (you fail). You aren't a liar. You just don't have the brains to understand anything that requires actual deep thought.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in areas that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation. The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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What has Bush done? What has he accomplished? Why aren't Republicans running Congress anymore? Answer. They all SUCK and it's time to put some adults back in charge of running our country. Get over yourself, Klarissa. McCain and that wench (not Cindy--the other wench Miss Half-Baked Alaska with a shotgun) aren't going anywhere near the White House. Time to re-join reality.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Do you even know how to use a freaking tire gauge? On a tire, I mean? It's because of people who USE tire gauges (and I don't mean your NASCAR and monster truck show heroes, slate) that you greedy, wasteful and thoroughly dangerous cons (who want others to die so you can have cheap gas) haven't been paying even MORE at the gas pump than you already have been. Silly wingnuts don't even know that those of us who actually conserve and don't drive our cars everywhere (even when we can afford to) are the ones who make it possible for the lazy, whining tax cut bleat brigade to pay as little as you do. Silly, poorly educated Republicons are dangerous and should not be allowed near a voting booth.
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buckncindykill1 year, 3 months ago
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This is the man I want in the WH............."I'm not running for president because I think I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God."
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Spinward1 year, 3 months ago
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The Democrats have a tough decision to make:
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Vote for party or vote for country?
McCain has proven time and time again that he wants what's best for the country FIRST, then cares about his party SECOND.
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MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago
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Obama only does what he thinks will be politically desirable. He doesn't actually think for himself. He doesn't care one wit about this country, he has proven that with his lack of regard for the American Flag. He hasn't written anything for his country (the whole time he was a state legislator or a senator), but has written two books about himself. He is a megalomaniac. He takes credit for things after the fact, that he had absolutely NOTHING to do with ie. Hurricane Gustav - saying he was glad that they had taken HIS recommendations to heart after Katrina...seriously?
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You aren't seeing the same McCain that I did. The guy was practically giddy to be up there on the stage. His delight in his moment in the spotlight belied what he was actually saying. All his statements begain with "I want........". Obama talks about fighting and what he can do for the American people.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well after 30 years of failed "neoliberal" voodoo economics, it is time to move on to more productive ways of running the country. If Americans had been paying attention, they would have already noticed that:
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40% of Americans lost their savings and became net debtors during Reagan/Bush daddy
Reagan raised taxes twice on average Americans (to higher levels than he inherited from Carter) while paying off the super-rich with succulent tax reductions.
Reagan had one of the worst records of any modern president on the economy (less growth, more loss of income, more unemployment than Carter).
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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The End of Neo-liberalism
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NEW YORK – The world has not been kind to neo-liberalism, that grab-bag of ideas based on the fundamentalist notion that markets are self-correcting, allocate resources efficiently, and serve the public interest well. It was this market fundamentalism that underlay Thatcherism, Reaganomics, and the so-called “Washington Consensus” in favor of privatization, liberalization, and independent central banks focusing single-mindedly on inflation.
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Neo-liberal market fundamentalism was always a political doctrine serving certain interests. It was never supported by economic theory. Nor, it should now be clear, is it supported by historical experience. Learning this lesson may be the silver lining in the cloud now hanging over the global economy.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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So if McCain is such a maverick, why isn't he keeping his good pal phil gramm in his list of economic advisers? (hint: he's a political prostitute, not a maverick).
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Teagen1 year, 3 months ago
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Well I'm not sure where to start. I'm still in the military, my husband is a very high ranking corp. exec. His business has never had such huge profits and has never had more employees. They're having a terrible time finding people willing to work and have the skills needed. Engineers. machinists, tool & die. All skilled, high paying jobs and they can't find enough. They've had tons of the liberal arts degrees but a history major really can't design or build anything. I think America is doing very well. My command is moving into Afghanistan next month and I will join them.
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On the Reagan stuff, I'm Navy. Most of what we're using today was killed off by Jimmy Carter. Take the Nimitz, my first ship. Carter wantede to end that program going with a lot of smaller oil burning ships. Smaller air wing, less effective units with much higher costs in the long run. He tried killing the Abrams. He changed the Jeep to the Humvee, you make the call there. The F-117, B-1, F-18 & F22 were all on his chopping block. The Patriot missile system and other Star Wars systems of today were started by Reagan. So from the military point of view, I'm happy President Reagan built up the military.
On ecconomics, the country was in a huge down turn when Carter turned things over. As to industry, take cars. GM, Ford, AMC and Chrysler were building crap. That's why many Americans bought the Japs. The American car companies have been on a downward fall ever since. Over all, if things were so bad, with the left media we had then and now, they would have attacked Reagan's plans and driven him from office. Instead, we saw the fall of the USSR and the DNC lost many of their conservative members. Jeane Kirkpatrick comes to mind.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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"Teagan, still passing your right wing lies from Kuwait?"
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Such class from the left....
This is how you clowns really feel about our military...Osama is no different....We saw in Germany how he passed up a nice opportunity to see our wounded men and women....He chose to work out instread and then made up some lame story that the Pentagon said he couldn't go in with cameras....
They never said that....
He's a freakin' liar and isn't even fit to be a community organizer...He's a thug and a Marxist through and through and to the people who are drinking his Kool-Aid....He's going to lose in November...
With his 8 point drop in the polls recently and his desparate attempts for power by going on Bill O'Reilly to hear "his" side...he's grasping for straws and I for one, cannot wait to vote against this Marxist facade....
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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A theocratic wacko is what you want GLee?
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Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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You can't read. Get a refund from FOS U or wherever you claim you went to school. The fact that she got an 86% approval rating is unremarkable (relative to the approval rating of other governors) given that she's in a state that has lots of money and not that many people. Use your brain instead of whackin your tiny stick over Obama all the time. Try it, for a change, FOS. ;-)
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Teagen1 year, 3 months ago
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I've spent time in the Imperial days of Iran. Women, such as Empress Farah didn't hide behind the hijab or walk behind men. Those were truly the Golden days of Iran. I was only a girl then but I remember with fondness the grandure of that Iran. Today, the reports I've seen are shocking.
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Gov. Palin does not remind me of today's Iran at all. Perhaps you're not old enough to remember the days before the towel wearing murdering terrorist who control their nation today. I had many friends there before the Shah left. None are alive today. Khomeini ordered them all to be killed. Men, women and children. No Palin does not remind of of Iran of today at all.-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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the Shah was a good guy and didn't kill anybody? and wasn't the Shah installed over a democratically elected Mossenwhatshisface? wasn't what we saw in Iran a result of the repressive and brutal Shah and not letting Mossenhowdoyouspell-it the people's choice stand?
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enlighten me
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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People up to age 25 could continue to be covered under parents' policies. Mr. Obama would create a National Health Insurance Exchange, described in campaign documents as "a watchdog group" that would be empowered to set rules and standards "to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible.
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Wolfie20071 year, 3 months ago
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Obama is beginning to say anything he thinks will get him a vote. The problem is when some one changes and repudiates all former statements, policies and positions then even if they should finally reach one or two you agree with, can you trust them? After all he's only shifting for a vote. Btw, doesn't his campaign resemble Dukaus' now more than Carter's?
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama must be worried; he actually had a sit down with the 'evil' O’Riely last Wednesday to try and garner the vote of the evil that watches FNC. He is so locked into the mindset of the ‘evil’ of the Iraq war that when asked about the ‘surge’ though he couldn’t help but admit that the surge worked, he couldn’t admit that he was wrong about saying it wouldn’t work. He seems to be more of a ‘puppet’ for the cause than even Bush.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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That the "surge" worked is just a propaganda myth designed to keep Americans from understanding who really won the war in Iraq.
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Why Iraqi 'Client' Blocked US Long-Term Presence
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki signaled last week that all U.S. troops - including those with non-combat functions - must be out of the country by the end of 2011. The Bush administration and Petraeus were blind sided.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''he couldn’t admit that he was wrong about saying it wouldn’t work''
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what was the goal of the surge, and what was our goal for Iraq, and do they match?
I'm not sure they do
Is Iraq an independent self-sustaining democracy now, who can manage her own security?
if that was the goal for Iraq, how is sending in MORE US people gonna make her self-sustaining, independent and able to police herself?
did Obama admit there is less violence in Iraq? if he did that's as far as he had to go, because that's what the surge accomplished, if anything. Some are of the opinion the current relative 'peace' had more to do with certain palms being greased and the Al Sadr truce.
me, I take the view that I don't know sh!t-all I know is what I hear and read, and that ain't knowing, that's just taking someone's word for it, so tho I am inclined to believe that those backdoor deals quieted things and not the presence of still more US personel in an independent Iraq, its all hearsay to me.
so I don't care what Obama admitted or not-he might have the same opinion as me, that the surge was coincidental and don't want to say that, or he's just being political and knows admitting wrongness, something Bush Inc would never do [think why not enough troops were there in the first place, and the lives perhaps lost before the surge if indeed the surge reduced the violence], something that Bush Inc will NEVER do, because apparently admitting wrong is not smart politics. makes one appear weak or something
so I think Obama will admit the surge worked about the same time Bush apologizes for not having enough troops there from the get
hate the game not the player I guess. It's just politics. You don't play by the rules, you don't get to play the game at all-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually the real problem is the extreme levels of "state propaganda" to which Americans are subjected. The "surge" has only worked as a means of getting us out (Obama's stance) without Bush and his zioncons having to admit too loudly that they lost.
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The American Conservative
Surging to Defeat
Petraeus’s strategy only postponed the inevitable.
... Although violence in Iraq has decreased over the past year, attacks on coalition and Iraqi security forces continue to occur at an average rate of 500 per week.. ...
... The costs to the United States of sustaining this dependency are difficult to calculate with precision, but figures such as $3 billion per week and 30 to 40 American lives per month provide a good approximation.
What can we expect to gain in return for this investment? The Bush administration was counting on the Iraq War to demonstrate the viability of its Freedom Agenda and to affirm the efficacy of the Bush Doctrine of preventive war.
Measured in those terms, the war has long since failed. Rather than showcasing our ability to transform the Greater Middle East, Operation Iraqi Freedom has demonstrated just the opposite. Using military power as an instrument for imprinting liberal values in this part of the world has produced a failed state while fostering widespread antipathy toward the United States....
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/apr/21/00026/
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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FTA:
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"This sexism has been much commented upon; but just as revolting was the snobbery that had expensively-dressed East Coast types patronising her and sniffing at her barely middle-class lifestyle. The pregnant daughter was to them final proof that this was a depraved, dysfunctional clan of proletarians preparing to soil the second highest position in the land.
The printed press was far from being the main offender. That prize went to Obama groupies on some of the main networks, whose lives will be apparently be ruined if someone so vulgar as this hockey mom is allowed to win an election."
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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HOOLD ON there. I thought the GOP was the party of traditional values... you know, the one that identifies women as the primary care giver in the family-- hence all those madonna shots of Cindy and women holding up their babies at the convention.
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Palin is supposed to be the primary care giver of a special needs child. It's not sexist to ask how she plans to care for her kids as VP, and possibly (gag) as leader of the free world IF she is going to have a house husband, then that's all she needs to say. LEt's see him don the apron then...-
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin aslo has a husband to help with the care of their children. I truly hope you guys feel the same way about Biden who decided on his political opportunity after the death of his wife, leaving his children to be raised by nannies.
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fsev411 year, 3 months ago
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You missed a history lesson somewhere.
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When Biden's wife and daughter were killed Joe Biden almost resigned his senate seat. Supporters convinced him to stay and he was sworn in in Delaware where he was practically living in the hospital with injured sons. He then commuted home EVERY night from DC on Amtrak so that he would be there for his son's. He didn't go to all the cocktail parties and rub elbows with the haves and have mores as is the common practice in DC.
Joe Biden's family didn't have older siblings to help.The people of Delaware have re-elected him six times.
Sara Palin, on the other hand, jumped head first into the campaign at a time when she has MAJOR family issues at home. I just can't see this as having any family values at all.
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corl641 year, 3 months ago
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Todd Palin quit his job in the oil fields when Sarah was elected governer to stay home and take care of their children. If you libs were not so busy digging up trash stories about the Palins and trying to discredit them so much, you would have known this already. It's like the lady said, they are a typical American family with typical family ups and downs.
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pc251 year, 3 months ago
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Speaking with my brother the other night he had an interesting observation on one of Obama's promises.....Obama said he would go over the budget line by line and take out items he felt were unnecessary........NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER HAD A LINE ITEM VETO ON THE BUDGET......EVEN CLINTON TRIED THAT AND WAS UNSUCCESSFUL.........WHO IS THIS GUY KIDDING..........FANTASY HIS SPEECH.......BUT IT SOUNDED GOOD AS ALWAYS.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 3 months ago
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They don't know what they're talking about.
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Obama will go through the budget line by line BEFORE it is presented to the congress for approval.
A line item veto would be AFTER congress has approved it.
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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"They don't know what they're talking about.
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Obama will go through the budget line by line BEFORE it is presented to the congress for approval."
And Congress is totally free to IGNORE any budget submitted by a President
Obama would be wasting his time
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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"Are you forgetting that the president and his advisers write the budget, and present it to congress at the beginning of every year?"
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And every year that exercise is a waste of time and money
According to the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 7, clause 1), all bills relating to revenue, generally tax bills, must originate in the House of Representatives
That is why Congressional leaders often declare the budget submitted by a president as "dead in the water"
They know that all appropriations bills must originate in the House - this is why the majority of appropriations bills that are enacted contain the H.R. modifier used to identify House introduced legislation.
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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I would agree that the Republicans have been terrible with the budget and overspending
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BUT I don't see anything different with this Democratic Congress
In fact the bills they have passed call for MORE spending than the budget Bush sent to Congress
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gwhiddon1 year, 3 months ago
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Great article.
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It's a shame that it probably won't make it to the front page of Propeller - it isn't anti McCain-Palin.
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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"It would be more accurate to say that the bulllshiiitt piled up by the wingers has reached such a level of stench that no one considers them credible or pays them any attention anymore"
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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'It would be more accurate to say that the bulllshiiitt piled up by the wingers has reached such a level of stench that no one considers them credible or pays them any attention anymore.'
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It's more like, once banned, they are out of sight out of mind and not interferring with the letist agenda of most here. allowing for only one view, the left one. The left talks about freedom of speecn but like 'their meaning of bi-partisan' it means just the left point of view is free speech.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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John McCain has been involved in repeated fleecing of american taxpayers to pay off corruption. His "financial advisor" Phil Gramm is one of those most directly responsible for the current bailouts of corruption at taxpayer expense.
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You have to be pretty desperately into a "sect" to want to continue McCain's kind of corruption.
The Fantasy of John and Sarah
As the GOP desperately uses taxpayer money to bail out corrupt financial circles, Sarah and John are busy raising money from the corrupt circles that led to the collapse of our economy. Then Sarah and John tell us that this corruption is what they will change.
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buckncindykill1 year, 3 months ago
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How about; Education is the civil rights issue of this century. Equal access to public education has been gained. But what is the value of access to a failing school? We need to shake up failed school bureaucracies with competition, empower parents with choice, remove barriers to qualified instructors, attract and reward good teachers, and help bad teachers find another line of work.
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When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.
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karola071 year, 3 months ago
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It totally amazes me to see Mr. Mc Cain with Mrs Palin in toe as VP, They talk like for 8 years, there were no Republicans in charge, they graciously overlook Mr. Mc Cains voting with President Bush over 90 Procent of the time.They hope to attract Mrs. Clinton's woemen, I sure hope they are smart enough not to fall for these games. Can you imagine If anything healthwise would happen to Mr. Mc Cain, Mrs Palin to be our president. She might be a fine person and her experience is not to compare with Mrs. Clinton's. I 'm not comitted to neither party, but I believe a decent National Health Insurance is past due. Look at the world after the second world war the western world embarked on Health Insurance onle Insurance and Republicans were against such move, and that hasn't changed in all them Years. So we need a better change than Republicans can give us, Why didn't we push solar energy 20years ago SOLAR ON EVERY ROOF in Florida Arizona the sunny states? Drilling for oil Who would profit? dream on if you think the prices would come down, None of the candidates will be able to pull us out of the MESS the REPUBLICANS got us into in their time of Presidency, but I know in my heart, if we go on Republican for 4 more years This Nation will consist only of VERY WEALTHY and VERY POOR, our MIDDLE CLASS will slowly disappear. How many jobs have been lost in the last 2 years? Too many to keep track of and who is in Power in Washington? The REPUBLICANS. How smart can you get to see through their Spiel, of roomors defamation, it worked with Bush and Carey, maybe it'll work again, It's well worth to try. I myself would like someone INEPENDANT from Washington. Oh, I have one question for Mrs.. Palin, I would like to meet the NANNY of your children.
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truthiness1 year, 3 months ago
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marxism (as described in the manifesto) demands the use of a central bank to redistribute wealth equally to all citizens, while abandoning a central govt and private corporations and replacing both with what is essentially a global union that owns the means of production and distribution.
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please define the policies of Obama which are Marxist (as opposed to being modeled after the current European socialist model which has a central govt collecting taxes from private citizens and then using that investment to provide services necessary to strengthen the nation such as infrastucture, health care, judiciary and border defence- while Europe has its problems, the standard of living is equal to ours, the economy is stronger, and they have far fewer enemies.)
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canadianrancher571 year, 3 months ago
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Way back in February I said that I thought that it would be Obama vs McCain and I wish I could find the story so everyone doesn't think that I'm full of it but I can't . I have listened to all of the major speeches and was not really impressed by many of them but I did enjoy the one Given by McCain, there was something that I like about McCain and after listening to his speech I have a feeling that he is alot closer to the average American than most give him credit for .
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When we question the speeches of the leaders we really cannot say one is lying if we are not going to apply the same stanard to the others and I do think that Barrack believes in change but McCain at least tried to provide a little more detail in what his vision is, and his vision if followed through on is sort of the direction that many Americans would like to see the country go.
This election is likely going to be a very close one, I'm just glad that I don't have to vote since it seems that before it is done the mud is going to be knee deep on everyone. -
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brenda521 year, 3 months ago
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I watched both conventions and one stark difference I saw was in McCain's crowd I saw very few young people , and Palin made it very clear she was not pro choice that is great for her but where does this leave Roe vs Wade? I heard talk of drilling in Alaska which I have never had the pleasure of visiting but have talked to several people who have said it is the last piece of beautiful wilderness left. Why not talk about alternative research that will be more environmentally friendly , but I do believe this is a prime example of my first statement , we need youth, and ingenuity to preserve our country and we must preserve for future generations.
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
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McCain, who has a staff of ex-Bush aids proposes change?
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McCain who has consistently voted in line with Bush wishes proposes changes?
McCain who selected a vice presidential candidate who is happy to suck in tax payer dollars for her pet projects proposes change?
What a joke.
Obabma/Biden offer chnage.
McCain/Palin are still consulting with their ex-Bush aids to figure out how to make more-of-the-same look like change. -
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purpleicon1 year, 3 months ago
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It always amazes me how many middle class people support the Republicans, when they are for the rich and powerful. The tax cuts that the Republicans promise are for the RICH, not the middle class. Sure , maybe a few bucks here and there, but the big breaks go to the rich. Really listen to what Republicans say, and maybe you might realize what a smokescreen of fear and propaganda they use in their rhetoric.
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linflowers1 year, 3 months ago
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The key point was not sending billions to people who don't like us very much. Lets get this message out and use it to get people to get out and vote McCain. It's the best line out there from both conventions. Let's roll with this as change not only that you can believe in, but one that would really work. There would then be lots of money for everyones pet project, and for soldiers to help protect us from those people who do not like us very much.
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wildman65571 year, 3 months ago
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Neither McCain or Obama are very good. McCain supports most of Bush's crazy policies and Obama's only strength seems to be able to talk good. Palin seems crazy and Obama's second is cemented in the culture of DC. We are in trouble.
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rivermint1 year, 3 months ago
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I am very concerned that we cannont seem to have respectful and factual presidential campaigns. When I hear hateful, and unthinking comments from both sides I worry about our ability to actually make good choices. It seems that our democracy has become about unthinking personal identification with one group while labeling and hating our fellow americans in the other group or groups.
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Mature, self aware people don't do this.
All of us should be working together to make the best choice based on what common ground that we can scrape together, this includes our candidates for president.
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truthiness1 year, 3 months ago
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here's Biden's speech in which he compares Obama's record and ideals versus McCain/Bush
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26431231#2...
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truthiness1 year, 3 months ago
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between Obama and McCain we are given a choice between American's changing the priorities of America back to taking care of Americans versus continuing the priorities of war, greed, and global domination.
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its basically good versus evil.
war is evil.
caring for your brother is good.
a platform of alternative energy, infrastructure development, national health insurance, and balanced budgets and peace is honorable and good.
a platform of using the earnings of the middle class to send the children of the working class off to kill the children of the middle and working classes of other nations who have no control over their govt just so the wealthy and powerful of this nation can become more wealthy and powerful is evil.
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 3 months ago
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If revenues increase when taxes are reduced, then why have any taxes at all, Cons? 0% would give us the maximum revenue, right?
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You know small businesses can get some breaks, but it's time for the global corps to pay up. Especially the arms industry. Our kids get paid peanuts and they reap huge rewards. Tell the mercs to pay up as well.
Why is it that Cons can tell a black woman to cut out every amenity in life to make ends meet, but then whine when they are told the country has to do the same?
You put too much on the card, Cons. Time to pay it off. Sorry.
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celebrityb1 year, 3 months ago
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Liberal wing that has hijack the Democratic Party is now indanger of getting wiped out. Not only will McCain/Palin win the White House The Rupublicans will take back the Senate and the House. Given that situation I believe Real Change will come to Washington. Why, Because the People will have demanded something different by selecting McCain..McCain proved he wants to be different by selecting Palin..Even the Liberal Pundants feel that. History is going to be made this year and it's Women that make the big step.. Poor Hillary she has got to be steaming..and asking what the hell happened..Reminds me of the scene in Patton where Patton says "The World is at War and I'm not a Part of it, God will not let this Happen"
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Lets face it Obama can not and will not bring or do the things that McCain will Do..McCain will start Day one..
I saw a Great Tee Shirt at Stoptheliberalobamanation.com
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celebrityb1 year, 3 months ago
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Liberal wing that has hijack the Democratic Party is now indanger of getting wiped out. Not only will McCain/Palin win the White House The Rupublicans will take back the Senate and the House. Given that situation I believe Real Change will come to Washington. Why, Because the People will have demanded something different by selecting McCain..McCain proved he wants to be different by selecting Palin..Even the Liberal Pundants feel that. History is going to be made this year and it's Women that make the big step.. Poor Hillary she has got to be steaming..and asking what the hell happened..Reminds me of the scene in Patton where Patton says "The World is at War and I'm not a Part of it, God will not let this Happen"
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Lets face it Obama can not and will not bring or do the things that McCain will Do..McCain will start Day one..
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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I am sure Obama is going down hard.Even senator George McGovern only wanted socialism,Obama is taking it to soft communism,better known as Marxism.All my life over ,and over I've been told America would crumble from within,and over,and over I've countered with no way there will always be enough real Americans who won't allow it.
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Today I worry I have never seen as many whiners, beggars, twerps in general.I honestly believe that the next cottage industry will be the manufacturing of communist flags,and banners. -
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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What this thread among others on the candidates makes clear (to me, at any rate) is that-- because one's political position is so deeply rooted in individual psychology--very few will switch their allegiances from one side to the other.
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Facts don't seem to sway opinion; you get the feeling that both sides would argue about whether a person whose life functions had ceased was dead or still alive. While spewing invective at one another's sense of reality.
So the thing the candidates must do is get those who have made up their minds, but are unlikely to make it to the polls for whatever reason(s), to VOTE. -
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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McCain may have added to his appeal among conservatives by choosing Palin, myself included, but I have no illusions about McCain. He's still going to be a liberal president, and it remains to be seen how aggressive he'll be with his Senate colleagues. He supports the global warming lie and other liberal pipe dreams. About the only difference b/t him and Obama is McCain will be a bit tougher on national security, a bit less fond of unions, and will give a few trillion less to African despots in the idiotic belief it will reduce poverty over there.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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unfortunately I've heard that a lot of what gets sent over to Africa is indeed held and used and sold by local rulers and chiefttans who set a new standard for ruthlessness and evil. Theses are people more likely to use a machete on one of their people than allow them to have a bowl of soup sent from another well-meaning country. A friend of my sisters did missionary work in Africa.
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motivator9111 year, 3 months ago
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as an independent who leans to the right and also an indepedent who has followed politics/world events more than most for well over 20 years i have seen John McCain in action a long time and you cant ask for a better man to be president the conservatives claim he is to liberal and the liberals claim (since he decided to run again) he is just like bush, it seems to me you are all repeating what your paricular party puts in there mud slinging commercials got advice for ya stfu and listen you will be amazzed at hat you can learn, this man truly is out to win the presidency for you , not him. he is now and always has been on our side. you cannot align him with anyone except maybe palin she is just like him 20 years ago and I believe if she continues she will some day be president
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motivator9111 year, 3 months ago
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as an independent who leans to the right and also an indepedent who has followed politics/world events more than most for well over 20 years i have seen John McCain in action a long time and you cant ask for a better man to be president the conservatives claim he is to liberal and the liberals claim (since he decided to run again) he is just like bush, it seems to me you are all repeating what your paricular party puts in there mud slinging commercials got advice for ya stfu and listen you will be amazzed at hat you can learn, this man truly is out to win the presidency for you , not him. he is now and always has been on our side. you cannot align him with anyone except maybe palin she is just like him 20 years ago and I believe if she continues she will some day be president
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mmrhe1 year, 3 months ago
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So true...I was talking to a Republican friend of mine yesterday and he brought up Palin. After asking my opinion he said there are two things he likes about her.
"Number one, she's pro-choice...." I had to stop him of course and inform him she's anti-choice Evangelical.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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Georgia (at the moment, on my mind), above:
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"[Mc Cain] supports the global warming lie and other liberal pipe dreams..."
Neither you (nor I) have, I believe, the science to make a definitive (or definite) determination about global warming.
But if we take a cue from responsible, UNBIASED scientists, the consensus seems to be against your position.
My question is, why this fierce conservative objection to the apparent fact of global warming--as if it was somehow a sign of individual or group WEAKNESS to want to remedy a common and very threatening problem?
Answer: authoritarian-think, which demands certainty, gets very antsy when confronted with something that causes its subscribers to confront (the possibility of) individual vulnerability.
The defenses against the recognition of this fact are very strong, making those who crave certainty, and constant reassurances of "strength," feel...well....very vulnerable.
Which isn't permitted, so....
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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Purlle-icon :you can't be that stupid I'm consider middle class,and I don't even aspire to be rich.I am a republican I don't only think I am a man,I know I am.I am an individuelI I don't take hand outs, never have in all my seventy four years.I remember the democrats when they praised J F K when he gave the rich the largest tax cut ever it didn't affect my ninthy eight dollar check.Regan lowered taxes from top to bottem,the dems raised old billy hell.Just ask the elderly black man,the LBJ white house promised him an elevator, but so far they've only gotten the shaft
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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Purlle-icon :you can't be that stupid I'm consider middle class,and I don't even aspire to be rich.I am a republican I don't only think I am a man,I know I am.I am an individuelI I don't take hand outs, never have in all my seventy four years.I remember the democrats when they praised J F K when he gave the rich the largest tax cut ever it didn't affect my ninthy eight dollar check.Regan lowered taxes from top to bottem,the dems raised old billy hell.Just ask the elderly black man,the LBJ white house promised him an elevator, but so far they've only gotten the shaft
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CarefulAnalyst1 year, 3 months ago
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Drill, baby, drill! The mantra of the party that's for driving the price of oil down. Oil hit an all-time high of $149, give or take a few quarters. Bush called for drilling, again. McCain called for drilling. Palin called for drilling. Obama followed suit, with conditions (that probably will mean no drilling), Pelosi, et al, followed suit (again with conditions that probably will mean no drilling gets done).
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Oil is now down to $106 a barrel. Gasoline prices have fallen dramatically over the past three months.
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CarefulAnalyst1 year, 3 months ago
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It is true that the latest statistics show the US public driving billions of miles less than before, but ....
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that was only after the price of oil hit the nosebleed prices.
... and that curtailed the driving.
Are there statistics that show when the price of oil was dropping that people drove less?
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CarefulAnalyst1 year, 3 months ago
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The failed Democratic policy of no drilling for oil for the last 30 years ...
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... has weakened the US and strengthened our enemies.
The best intentions, unwisely planned, will lead to havoc. When the price of oil was low, alternative energy sources of energy could not compete. Since you can't drop the cost of producing alternative energy low enough to compete with oil prices, how then do you get the two sources of energy competitive? Well, you raise the price of oil so high that end-users figure out they could just as easily get to using alternative energy sources for cheaper or equivalent costs.
No drilling in the US for the last 30 years, for whatever reasons, has caused the price of oil to rise to mind boggling prices. Now, we look at alternative energy and say to ourselves that they're more economical than before: windpower, ocean current power, solar power, etc., etc.
Mission accomplished!
Major miscalculation, however. Mission accomplished, but one drawback the no-drillers did not figure on.
In the process of jacking up world oil prices, the US discovered that over a billion dollars of US money goes to pay for the oil that it consumes yearly. That billion dollars doesn't go to the US, but goes outside of the US. That loss of over a billion dollars a year weakens the US economy by that much each year, and .... get this ... it strengthens whoever supplies that oil to the US. It's been strengthening governments that are not sympathetic to the US: the middle east, Cesar Chavez, et al.
Yes, the policy makers have accomplished what they needed to do: drive up the price of oil to a high enough price to make the consuming public say to themselves that alternative energy is now economical to use. Meanwhile, we've destabilized politics worldwide. Our "enemies" have strengthened at the cost of our energy policymakers' misdiagnosis of the problem.
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amv8011 year, 3 months ago
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As usual, the Republicans put forth a hollow vision of designed to maintain the ultra wealthy. They are decrepit and will continue to bankrupt this country in the way that the Roman emperors did to Rome. Rot from the inside of their emptiness. Having spent all those years as a POW, suffering, how could John McCain believe in any way shape or form that sending young people off to war is a good idea. Look at all the suicides of the these young folks. The mental illness, The damaged hands. The broken lives. He still suffers and need not foist his sufferring onto the millions of Americans who need help from just having been economically and morally flattened by the last 8 years of George Bush. McCain has no skill, no insight, no ability to manage this nation. More shannigans with his vice presidential choice..........Wake up!
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