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Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsOn July 20, 2008, the pastor of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home church, Larry Kroon, delivered a sermon called "Sin Is Personal To God." Kroon, the senior pastor of the non-denominational Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska, used the book of Zephanaiah as his reference point for discussing "that great day of the Lord when God will finally bring closure to human history... a day of wrath." According to Kroon, "all things and all people" are going to bear the brunt of God's "intense anger." "There's anger with God," he proclaimed. "He takes sin personal."
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 3 months ago
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God is angry all right , but the humans are too deluded with themselves to understand that the anger is over the sin of how they have trashed the beautiful world that was created for them along with the total disregard for God's beautiful Creatures of Creation of which I am one.
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Aidenag, your posting some really good stories, keep it rolling!-
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, good job brownie! When will you be apologizing for this one?:
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/08/31/is-sarah...
When will you realize that your smears have done more to help McCain and Palin than they have to help Obama and Biden?
When will you post a story about Obama's failures? (Suggest Grove Parc)
When will you try to learn about fairness?-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin is new on the scene;
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The other 3 in the race have been in the spotlight for months ( or years ).
While it is better to be saying good things about one's candidate, than bad things about one's oponent, -
it is fair to examine Palin the same way the other candidates have been examined.
Unless you are going to tell us that her church has no bearing on her beliefs...
Now see? You just learned something about fairness.-
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, I understand that Palin is new on the scene. I fully support investigations of her record. Since the story I highlighted above, posted by Aidenag, is about Palin being her own child's grandmother, it does not fit the bill. It's sole purpose is to fling mud. What are your thoughts about that story? What are your thoughts about fairness related to that story? Do you support a scout posting a story such as that one? I will believe you know about fairness if you answer these questions.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Decent questions, Lovemylibs:
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I strongly oppose bringing in references to children. Kids are off-limits.
Affairs are relevant as character issues; when provable .
The opinions of a candidate's church are valid to discuss (but fataly easy to distort).
I do not hold scouts up to higher standards; they can do whatever we can do.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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CRVM, then, in the spirit of fairness, how about an examination of Obama/s beliefs (not his church, his personal beliefs.)
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It just might be, except for the abortion/birthcontrol subject, that Obama agrees with her, IE, has the same religious beliefs that she does. But do we know???-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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KLARISA
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Remember when Paul, being his own lawyer,
appealed to Caesar?
Strategic mistake.
You have appealed to the spirit of Fairness.
Ok.
The test of fairness, is when you affirm
it, for an opponent.
Tell this forum when you have affirmed
fairness for Barack Hussein Obama.
Specific examples, please.
'Fairness' is justice, Karisa.
And the God of Justice is not lightly invoked.
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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I've defended Obama on several issues. Rev. Wright, stategate (# of states), the attacks on Michelle, to name a few. I have stated these defenses on more than one thread. Almost every time I defended Obama I was negged more than pos'ed. Back when you could still see who did the negging and pos'ing, the negs almost came from the more liberal posters here. So, in the spirit of fairness, I conclude that my "whining" is warranted. I also conclude that Palin has been unfairly attacked by both the mainstream media and some of the scouts on Propeller. I mention the scouts only because these same scouts did some "strategic whining" about the attacks against Obama.
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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Why should he apologize? He just posted the story. And I love that you are now crying about smears. McCain has done nothing but smear Obama from the beginning. You are just now getting a taste of your own medicine and you don't like it very much do you?
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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I think Democrats would much rather play fair, but Cons won't allow it. Just like Fox News thinking they had the bull by the horns when they, yet again, started trying to trash the Democratic Party by bringing up the Edwards affair.. all the while ignoring the affairs and indecency in the conservative camp..
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lovemylibs, you all want it one way, YOUR WAY.. Life doesn't work like that. I don't understand the whole thought process for conservatives. You think it's all good to dish it out, but we're low down dirty dogs when we give it back to you. What does it take to make you understand?-
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa, unlike Cons, Libs do not assume their candidates have the exact same values as they do. I seriously doubt you are going to find someone to speak for Obama, perhaps you could look into him and see what he has said himself rather then what Cons have said for and about him?
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa, maybe you should be asking yourself this.. what is McCain's beliefs? You belong to the religious right, yet Mc doesn't even have a minister, doesn't attend church, had to go out in search of a religious endorsement, only to have to denounce his own pick..
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Keep up the good fight Aidenag. I know it's not easy to always find yourself fighting fire with fire all the time, but hopefully the payoff will be worth it.
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You're going to catch a lot of flack from people who would prefer that you sit back and let them run over us rough shod, but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. They have all but destroyed this nation, and we're going to take back our country, if they don't like it, they can leave!
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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And Obama vetted this man??
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JOE BIDEN: PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND FRAUD: It was also discovered that, while at Syracuse Law School, Biden had plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote.
Biden said the act was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and Biden was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F in the course.
Biden also released at the same time the record of his grades as an undergraduate which were C's and D's and an F in ROTC during his first three semesters.
Further, when questioned by a New Hampshire resident about his grades in law school Biden had claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class, (when he actually graduated 76th in a class of 85-
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/cli...
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Joseph Biden's Plagiarism; Michael Dukakis's 'Attack Video' – 1988
Feeding Frenzy Democratic presidential candidate Joseph R. Biden Jr., a U.S. senator from Delaware, was driven from the nomination battle after delivering, without attribution, passages from a speech by British Labor party leader Neil Kinnock.
A barrage of subsidiary revelations by the press also contributed to Biden's withdrawal: a serious plagiarism incident involving Biden during his law school years; the senator's boastful exaggerations of his academic record at a New Hampshire campaign event; and the discovery of other quotations in Biden's speeches pilfered from past Democratic politicians.-
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 3 months ago
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"...it's conceivable that He could just as easily, for example, raise up a revived, prosperous and powerful Communist Russia with a web of alliances across the Middle East. And our gas pumps would go dry. The dollar would collapse. And the markets would crash. The kayak could go upside down. And it could happen in a matter of weeks. That could happen. It could happen by this fall."
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Let's see Palin resign from that maniac's church! Think she will? Think she should?
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa, i don't know where Biden graduated in his class because you posted nothing to back up your post, however... we do know that Mc graduated 894 out of 899.. now there's something to crow about. lol
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Biden graduated 76th out 85 from the law school at Syracuse. He is on record, of course, as saying he graduated in the top half of his class. Either he is a liar or he failed math.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“Thanks EE, i've been on what I am calling "Palin Watch" the last week. She seems to have a new story about her pop up every 1-3hr it seems covering a totally new topic.”
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Yep, it’s called a smear campaign and it’s costing Obama BIG time.
Obama had an 8 point lead at the start of the week on most polls.
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Exactly.. Obama hasn't been able to get Mc to discuss one single issue. Instead all Mc has done is compare Obama to celebrities, all the while, the celebs he compared Obama to were mostly republicans.. LOL
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Please - I can't believe you typed that with a straight face:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MisfitToys/List_...
You know it's laughable, n2n, trying to paint most celebrities as Republicans.-
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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Where did i say that most celebrities were republicans??
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I said, Mc compared Obama to celebrities, all the while, the republicans he compared Obama to were republicans.. i.e. Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, etc.. If you checked the list i gave you the link to, you would have seen that the Hiltons are republicans as well as Britney Spears.
As i said, it's not our fault that your candidate is inept, he threw his own registered republicans under the bus with Obama. Especially the Hiltons, who had made a handsome donation to his campaign.
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Jaydee401 year, 3 months ago
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The President is nothing more than a lap dog to big business right now, the entire election is of little importance unless the winner addresses the crimes of the past administration. And to do that would admit to the fact that the president can and must be held accountable, past, present and future. Not likely to happen.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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Adlin you do realize that when you post these false rumors you are being used as a, well, a useful idiot?
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Anatomy of a Smear
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/0...
Blogger Charlie Martin has helpfully compiled all of the smears that the left has hurled at Sarah Palin. 54 and counting!
“Given that we’re more than halfway to the century mark in Palin smears, I think it’s time to take another brief look at the left’s method of smear dissemination.”
“former business partner in question had had an affair with Sarah Palin”
“Quicker than you can say “conspiracy theory lunatic,” this particular lunatic theory jumped off the tracks. The Court denied the motion to conceal the papers, allowing the curious to sniff through them. Shock of shocks, Sarah Palin’s name wasn’t even mentioned in the filings. Nor was there anything regarding an affair with her. In this particular wild goose chase, the goose flew free”
“Thus, the method of the smear mechanism reveals itself – print a lot of speculative crap, all while maintaining a malign indifference as to whether or not you can prove said speculative crap.”
One more thing of journalistic interest occurs: The “news” about the motion to seal the divorce papers appeared in the virtual pages of the Atlantic first, not the National Enquirer or the Daily Kos as one might expect. Obviously, Atlantic field reporters haven’t trekked up to Alaska to monitor every random court filing. Therefore, someone had to tip off the Atlantic’s chief rumor spreader about the motion to seal the divorce papers. It would be interesting to know at whose bidding the Atlantic staffer in question is spreading unfounded smears.
I’m sure in the interests of full disclosure, the magazine and its chief rumor spreader will rush this information to the public. Right after they apologize for yesterday’s smear du jour turning up empty.”-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Frankly one has to ask why the corporate media has strenuously avoided telling us that Palin is for theocracy, even if it has to be imposed on Americans by force.
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Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Part one of Hack-n-Sack Sarah's preachin':
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k=1
Pipeline and gold wealth - and war - and lookin' cool for the Lord.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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I couldn't find that link, but here is another where she speaks in her church.
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Of course hyper. She is going to continue the great tradition that all of the past Christians have done in instituting a theocracy. Washington, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. All Christians and all instituted that theocracy.
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Only in your dreams. Where do you foolish people dredge up such stupid ideas.
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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Typically, it is man who makes God in his image.
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Palin's pastor has apparently manufactured a god who is powerful, but angry, vindictive, mean and chickensh!it, perpetually on the hunt for someone to punish, judge, get revenge on, etc.
And Palin apparently worships that diety. Does it resonate with her?
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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Well compared to someone asking God to Dam*; America I can understand what her pastor is getting at. He isn't asking for judgment on America as did Obama's Rev Wright's GD AMERICA Rant but that Judgment might come- which is true if we or any nation doesn't repent of our sinful ways we eventually will get judgment!
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well Mivan, isn't it interesting how much more patriotic and pro-american Rev. Wright is than Palin's pastor? Here is what Ronald Regan's Asst. Secretary of Defense had to say about Wright.
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Pretty much shows how the GOP has deteriorated in recent years.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a True Patriot
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy's premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief's medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President **** Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
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Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America's biggest cities.__This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright....
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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Again you got negged for spouting the truth, i would say America has become totally morally bankrupt. Hyperbola, thankyou for some great info on the Reverend Wright, up to now i mostly had only heard the smear side of his story. Funny how the right has no respect for true patriots, for God fearing folk, the way they judge others may eventually lead to some damnation imo.
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You stop short in your history of Rev. Wright. After leaving the military and getting his schooling he found Black Liberation Theology. That shaped the rest of his career. That theology is what he preached at that church and it was what was already being preached there. Black are oppressed by whities and all of the Bible is viewed through that lens. They reject any other type theology and say that it is white theology that just tries to keep blacks down. This despite4 the fact that the Bible says that all are equal before Jesus. It creates a self fulfilling prophecy for the young black in that church. If they fail at something whitie is a good scapegoat. They didn't have a chance so why try.
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This led to those sermans where the sound bites came from. The reaction of the audience shows that this was normal talk there. Research on his sermons shows this to be true.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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Just because Obama quit his church doesn't mean that he changed his beliefs. Does he still believe in:
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A non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A committment to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A committment to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A committment to LIBERATION.
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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You also have a bad memory.
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Obama resigned from his church because of the media firestorm over what Wright said in ONE sermon.
You attempt to intimate that Obama supported everything Wright said. However, Obama is on public record as not supporting what Wright said in that sermon.
So now when the beliefs of Palin's minister come out, instead of the same condemnation, you deflect back to Obama's former preacher.
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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This story is a nice display of hypocrisy for all of the Obama supporters that whined about the stories related to his pastor. Any of them that whined about those stories yet denigrate Palin for her pastor's beliefs are hypocrites by the very definition of the word.
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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Not so.
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It was the Republican and right-wing media ATTACK of Obama and his church that liberals took issue with.
But those SAME people have NO issue with Palin's 'beliefs' or the beliefs of her church?
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mivan41 year, 3 months ago
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You seem to have things mixed up. First Obama said he never heard those hate filled messages then latter admitted he had but still backed Rev Wright. It wasn't until Rev Wright went on the News and KEPT it going to the point OBAMA was losing allot of support did obama cut ties.
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Shara Palin's Pastor didn't condemn America as did Rev Wright obama's pastor . Palins Pastor only said judgment would come to America due to America's moral condition - which if Americans don't repent is true! Quite a difference from saying GD America!
You liberals are just trying to justify you candidates poor choice by trying to take something else similar and trying to say it is the same; when it's really as similar as Lead balloons and helium balloons! I have found allot of things liberals have done by finding similar things in McCain's background to Obama's to try and justify Obama's poor judgment, but every time its the Lead balloon v Helium balloon type comparison. Without details they sound the same, but when one looks at the details one finds the Lead balloon is Obama's and McCain has the helium balloon! yet they are both balloons-
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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Of course Obama heard Wright's "message" AFTER it was plastered all over the media.
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Racism and slavery are immoral - at least they have been up to now. So Obama's former preacher was also condemning immorality.
And Wright said GD America in the CONTEXT of what America has done that is immoral, and there IS a HUGE list of immorality on the part of the U.S. Government against many races, not just African Americans.
Poor choice is relative - relative to what YOUR definition is. It is you that can't take a "fair and balanced" assessment of all of the situations.
McCain is Bush III - he sold his soul and abdicated ALL of his stances on all the main issues so that he could become the Republican nominee. He is NOT worthy or able to be President.-
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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Why don't you explain what YOU think is 'wrong' with those beliefs. THEN ask us about whether or not anyone cares whether or not Obama "changed" those beliefs.
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Africa - hundreds of thousands of people are being MURDERED due to political violence and racism (ethnic cleansing). Are you saying that you do NOT want to help those innocents that are being starved and slaughtered?
Biblical Education - I really DO wonder what your problem is with this. Of course, if offered in public schools it should be VOLUNTARY. Otherwise, what is 'wrong' with it?
As a point of clarification: "the term Diaspora carries a sense of displacement; that is, the population so described finds itself for whatever reason separated from its national territory; and usually it has a hope, or at least a desire, to return to their homeland at some point, if the "homeland" still exists in any meaningful sense."
So, you are against educating African Americans - that are not in their original homelands - of their heritage?
You also need to explain "liberation". If people want to be liberated from ethnic and economic racism, sounds good to me. What is wrong with that?
Economic parity - do you think that it is wrong to do whatever is possible to eliminate poverty and help ensure that everyone in this country has a decent job and earns a decent, LIVING wage and can support themselves and their families?
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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bubba2 ~
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From your comment:
Biblical Education - I really DO wonder what your problem is with this. Of course, if offered in public schools it should be VOLUNTARY. Otherwise, what is 'wrong' with it?
bubba2 - have I missed something? Has Obama said that he favors
Biblical Education in public schools? For upper level classes (high school and college) I would find no fault with studies on world religions - but there is NO way I could ever agree to Biblical ed in public schools.
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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I am not sure about any 'stance' Obama himself has on biblical education.
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Klarissa obviously pulled that "list" from the website of Obama's former church.
And ... at some public schools today, there are student 'organizations' that are religious in nature. But, they ARE voluntary and thus are allowed. I personally don't have a problem with that.
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I think I have more resistance to that concept than you do
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but thank you for clarifying.
I don't even like the "voluntary" prayer idea in public schools
and I'll tell you why -
If say 90% of the students in a school are Catholic ( for example)
and that includes the teacher,and they announce the time for
silent prayer. Well, not much happens till the end of this
special time with hands clasped and heads bowed until everyone
(including the teacher) crosses themselves in the name of the
Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. If you are one of the few
in attendance not of the Catholic faith? You stand out like a
sore thumb - you are now set apart for a difference in faith.
You can be ostracized for that seemingly benign little silent
moment. The sad thing is that it is SO, SO unnecessary.
There is absolutely NO way that a student - or anyone -
can be denied their right to pray to their God - they just
don't have to make a ritual out of that time.
Like, "Time for our silent prayer". Why add that burden
to our public school system - where all should feel equal?
Soldiers in the field most likely know a good deal about a private communication with their God. Quite a common occurrence during battle - but it goes directly from their heart or mind without
any ceremony.
I have always felt it is an intrusion in public schools.
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Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago
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bubba - IT has nothing to do with what I think - you are too defensive.
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You are talking about Palin's beliefs.
What are Obama's beliefs - you defend them so mightily that it seems that you are assuming that believes deeply in those policies?
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bubba21 year, 3 months ago
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Klarissa,
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YOU brought up the subject of Obama's beliefs.
If YOU are so worried about what he believes, then YOU look it up.
I know where Obama stands on all of the IMPORTANT issues - Iraq, the economy, taxes, crime, poverty, torture, veterans, the environment, energy - and that is all I need to know.
I will NOT base my vote on the RELIGIOUS beliefs of anyone, because they are NOT running for "preacher of the country". They are running for a CIVIL, political office to conduct CIVIL business for this country.
And I don't care about Palin's beliefs, except that she wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, a CIVIL law. She wants to take away CIVIL CHOICE for women that she does NOT know and would NOT help and would not otherwise care ONE bit about their lives.
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I assume that you are talking about Darfur where the government troops are involved in Genocide? Why has Obama said nothing? I don't understand why nobody gets upset.
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It is one thing to be concerned but a different thing to have an allegiance to it. That is what it used to say. The site has been toned down since the new pastor took over. It is not quite so blatant.
The Diaspora was applied to the Jews when they were removed from Israel. While a lot of blacks were taken from Africa to come here there is a problem in that half of the blacks living in the US are descendants of blacks who came here voluntarily. That term is weighted so that all will believe that all blacks came here as slaves. Not an honest representation.
Liberation. This implies that there are laws that have to be changed to give blacks an equal chance at a normal life in this country. Looking around at all fields there are a lot of blacks in them all. If this country needed liberation that would not be the case. All persons can make of themselves what they want by getting an education and working at getting a good job. There are too many examples out there about this. I guess you will call me a racist. Go ahead but read my profile before you make a fool out of yourself.
Economic parity. Code words for take from the rich and give it to the poor. What it means is that when someone works hard and creates some wealth it should be ripped from him and be given to those who do not want to try. Anybody that is willing to work can make a good living unless they have a physical or mental problem. I do not include a belief that they are being held down a mental problem. It is a belief problem. They bought into the black racist viewpoint.
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Everything done in the dark will come to the light. There is so much more that is going to come out on Sarah that would be devastating to you all.
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I guess it's alright if she is considered a celeb or some religious nut. Only when a black man gets all the attention do you racists yell foul.
Sarah is a liar and a hypocrite and I can't wait until it's revealed, since you guys are treating her like SHE decended from heaven.
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If a pastor or anyone else are going to pretend to represent God, then maybe they should read all of the Bible. THE NEW TESTAMENT says that God poured out "all of His wrath" on Jesus for "our sake." If God is still mad at us, then He is a liar. By the way, the Bible also says that God cannot lie. Yes, you read this right. There are a few things God cannot do. The Bible says that He cannot sin. It also says he cannot lie (which is also sin). So maybe this pastor should read "all of the Bible" before he stands in front of people and tries to speak for God. The problems in this world are a result of our own doing. God gave us the planet to care for it. He gave us the power of dominion. We have free will to make our own choices, but we must accept the consequences of our own behavior. Read the book of Genesis. To blame God for our own troubles is to slander God. I am sure this pastor was sincere, but he was also sincerely wrong. It is preaching like this that gives God a bad name.
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Anyhow, as far as my opinion on Sarah Palin: whether one agrees with her political views or not is our own God-given choice. It's also our right as Americans so I wont belittle anyone who thinks differently than I. So, keep in mind that the following is just my opinion. I do take exception at the narrow mindedness of some people who say that Palin is somehow a bad parent if she is not home taking care of the kids (paraphrase). Last time I checked, she had a loving husband who has no apparent issues on taking care of them. The only thing he can't do is breast feed. :) I am a father of 5 children. My wife and I are both professional people. My wife runs a rehabilitation hospital and is required to travel extensively. I am able to take care of our children just as well as she can. There are a few single parents out there, you know; and some of them happen to be fathers. Its interesting to me that in these "modern times" some would have you think that it is ok for men to be in political powerl, but not women. If you are a woman and you "choose" to not pursue other ambitions outside the home... GREAT. That is your choice. But don't be so narrow-minded and criticize someone else who thinks differently. By the way, I do a great job taking care of our kids. My oldest just started college, he is an honor student, and got an accademic as well as athletic scholarship to a private university. my 12 year old and 10 year old are also honor students, blackbelts, play basketball for their schools, swim on the swimming team, and volunteer at our church. Our 5 year old twins are also doing well and are in gymnastics.
By the way, no, we are not rich, and don't have nannys. My wife and I take care of them, ourselves. I am not saying all of this to brag, just simply to say that it can be done. If my wife and I can do it, I am sure someone like Sarah Palin can do it too. -
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If a pastor or anyone else are going to pretend to represent God, then maybe they should read all of the Bible. THE NEW TESTAMENT says that God poured out "all of His wrath" on Jesus for "our sake." If God is still mad at us, then He is a liar. By the way, the Bible also says that God cannot lie. Yes, you read this right. There are a few things God cannot do. The Bible says that He cannot sin. It also says he cannot lie (which is also sin). So maybe this pastor should read "all of the Bible" before he stands in front of people and tries to speak for God. The problems in this world are a result of our own doing. God gave us the planet to care for it. He gave us the power of dominion. We have free will to make our own choices, but we must accept the consequences of our own behavior. Read the book of Genesis. To blame God for our own troubles is to slander God. I am sure this pastor was sincere, but he was also sincerely wrong. It is preaching like this that gives God a bad name.
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Anyhow, as far as my opinion on Sarah Palin: whether one agrees with her political views or not is our own God-given choice. It's also our right as Americans so I wont belittle anyone who thinks differently than I. So, keep in mind that the following is just my opinion. I do take exception at the narrow mindedness of some people who say that Palin is somehow a bad parent if she is not home taking care of the kids (paraphrase). Last time I checked, she had a loving husband who has no apparent issues on taking care of them. The only thing he can't do is breast feed. :) I am a father of 5 children. My wife and I are both professional people. My wife runs a rehabilitation hospital and is required to travel extensively. I am able to take care of our children just as well as she can. There are a few single parents out there, you know; and some of them happen to be fathers. Its interesting to me that in these "modern times" some would have you think that it is ok for men to be in political power, but not women. If you are a woman and you "choose" to not pursue other ambitions outside the home... GREAT. That is your choice. But don't be so narrow-minded and criticize someone else who thinks differently. By the way, I do a great job taking care of our kids. My oldest just started college, he is an honor student, and got an academic as well as athletic scholarship to a private university. my 12 year old and 10 year old are also honor students, blackbelts, play basketball for their schools, swim on the swimming team, and volunteer at our church. Our 5 year old twins are also doing well and are in gymnastics.
By the way, no, we are not rich, and don't have nannys. My wife and I take care of them, ourselves. I am not saying all of this to brag, just simply to say that it can be done. If my wife and I can do it, I am sure someone like Sarah Palin can do it too.-
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"If a pastor or anyone else are going to pretend to represent God, then maybe they should read all of the Bible. THE NEW TESTAMENT says that God poured out "all of His wrath" on Jesus for "our sake." If God is still mad at us, then He is a liar."
Well you can say that. But it is not true. God has poured out all his wrath on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the cross. It is done !!!
But man still has to accept the propitiation and the death of Christ as his salvation. We are not robots, nor are we saved just because Christ died for us. We must accept and live in Christ. To deny Christ is to reject the salvation he gave us with his death.
Therefore some do reap the wrath of God, he is no liar !!!!!! Nor is he mocked !!!
We are either saved in Christ or we face the judgement of God according to the law.
That is in the Bible, and not one is sinless by the law. For all will bow one day to Jesus and confess him as Lord.
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Jesus did not save the whole world for all time by his death on the cross. He only paid the price for the elect. Only if you accept that gift will you receive grace and mercy. For the rest God's judgment still will fall.
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I suggest you read about the tribulation in Revelation. That is God's wrath on the people who reject Him.
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If it comes down to a choice between "religion" that advocates liberty and equality versus "religion" that advocates theocracy associated with racism and fascist violence, the first seems much more American than the second. Why is Palin supporting these kinds of groups with taxpayer money?
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'Arming' for Armageddon - Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy
Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
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Typical of a far left looney tunes kind of guy.
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You people don't have a clue about what he was talking about. What the pastor was talking about was eschatology. The end times. Tribulation etc.
You people are laughable.
Rev. Wright claims that the CIA created AIDS as a method of killing blacks but he is not racist or anti American. He points to the result of people jailed for the unusually high amount of black on black crime. Then he points to the relative number of blacks in prison and says his "G D America". but this is not racist or anti American.
But a preacher talks about end times and you ridiculous atheists go berserk about something you don't understand.
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It's really scary to know how absolutely crazy people in this world are. What are you all talking about? Sara Palin? Sara Palin?. This is not about the color of the persons skin, its not wheather your Rep. or a Dem. All that matters is whats happening in this economy- are some of you actually so full of hate that you would even CONSIDER living another day like this. I am a professional mother of 2 children 1 in college 1 in high school. "I know all about bringing home the bacon and fryin it up in a pan", but I know there is no sane way that a women with 5 children- all of which are in situations or ages where they NEED there mother can run this country. She cant be two places at once- do you really think she is going to miss her kids hockey game to attend a serious matter that affects you and me? And if she did - is that fair to the child? I mean- come on yall' that's no life to have - with a nanny for a mom? Nothing scares me more than the thought of McCain & Palin in the white house. the decision today is going to effect our children our childrens children.........Unless you all have 5 million dollars in the bank, can buy anything you want from the market- not just what you need, pay for college tuition with no struggle. If that is you then I guess by all means-go crazy! But if you want to not see your parents and grandparents suffer because they cant afford all the medicines they need, or can pay for private school with ease...but if that' s not you, then put your hate aside, and listen with your ears to what is being said- we dont know who is going to keep their word when they get in the office, but when the words are without substance -just cliches and stories of being a prisoner of war- for 51/2 years- I mean is that something to brag about? Did McCain get any psychiatric help when he was freed- can you trust his mental and physical condition? And since everybody wants to talk about Palin and this stupid Ebay/Private Jet thing? Were's the money ? Where did the money she did get for the plane go? No one else eve thought about that? What is going on in this country! God help us all.
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yaya2em1 year, 3 months ago
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Survived??? Nixon reagan and Bush?? Apparently you are not old enough to remember the Carter fiasco! His brillance in rescuing the hostages - now that was intelligence, NO GAS - do you remember waiting in line for hours for gas???? When having a mortgage at 8-13% was considered great?? Perhaps not. He was a dolt. Nixon created the DEA and put a dent in drugs entering our country. Reagan was the greatest president we had. Remember, he was the one that turned the country around. Obama wants to socialize health care - I ask you - you want to put the government ( who can't manage public schools or social security) in charge of health care? Also, how exactly is Obama going to help people "living from paycheck to paycheck?"
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well let's see.
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Reagan's economic record was worse than Carter's (one of the worst of all modern presidents). Less growth, loss of income and more unemployment.
During Reagan, 40% of Americans lost their savings and became net debtors.
During Reagan, taxes on average Americans were raised twice (to levels higher than Carter), while the super-rich got massive tax breaks.
From Warsaw Pact documents and documents released by our own government, we now know that the Soviets abandoned the arms race already in the late 1960s (hence all the treaties from the early 1970s). Reagan's "star wars" was just a giant boondoggle to pay off corruption amongst his buddies in the corrupt corporate welfare queens of the "defence" industry.
During Reagan elements of the government together with our very own "christian killers" were traficking drugs and illegal arms to carry out their program of killing 300,000 christians in central America.
Some people will swallow any propaganda fed them by corrupt politicians. Some people continue to do so.
'America's Outrageous War Economy!'
Yes, America’s economy is a war economy. Not a “manufacturing” economy. Not an “agricultural” economy. Nor a “service” economy. Not even a “consumer” economy. Pentagon can't find $2.3 trillion, wasting trillions on 'national defense'.
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mecormany1 year, 3 months ago
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To yaya2em.
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This is totally revisionist and delusional. Carter wasn't the greatest president but he had enough sense to tell people the way it was and not start a war with an oil producing country and never mention the words cutting back or conserve. The hostage crisis was not of his making unlike a certain war we're now mired in like an elephant in quicksand. The DEA has put no dent in drugs, there are more now than at any time in history. As a working man I remember Reagan's presidency mostly for being laid off and waiting 6 hours in a line to get into the UE office, if I got there 4 hours before it opened. Greatest we ever had would be a joke if it weren't so tragic that people actually think that. I'll let anybody be in charge of health care as long as there is some kind of public health care system. This country can't go on much longer without it. Obama, exactly, is going to quit these stupid tax cuts to big business and corporations and Big Oil, put capital gains taxes back to where they were before Bush cut them from 28 to 10 percent, repeal the laws that let a company jump to Asia or Central America to set up shop no matter how much they're making here just to get away from the unions and paying a decent wage, and getting us out of a war we're too big to lose but are never going to win but keep pouring billions down an endless pit and keeps the Mideast in an uproar. For starters. -
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"Survived??? Nixon reagan and Bush?? Apparently you are not old enough to remember the Carter fiasco! "
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Nixon came before Carter. Are you even TRYING anymore, Cons?
Reagan turned the country around? Yes, by turning us into a debtor nation. I guess we're all trillionares when we borrow trillions of dollars.
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Nixon and Ford were president during the time of those lines. The inflation and interest rates were the results of Nixon freezing the dollar. When Carter unlocked it, as someone had to, things got bad until it stabilized at its new level. Carter started funding for alternative energy. Reagan cancelled that.
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Check out this chart.
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Um...Carter was ten times the president that Bush has been. And Reagan is the one who illegally traded arms to Iran (who we are now about to attack and will fight us with the weapons that Reagan sold to them) to hold the hostages until he got in office Remember? Ollie North took the fall for it? Reagan didn't even know he was president let alone be a good one. And Bush the first was a fiasco.
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Carter created the first peace treaty in the Middle East.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago
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How about Palin in the White House? A completely delusional bible thumper.
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Smithichie makes a good point, America has managed to survive two Bush terms. But, by the state of your economy and the horrible divisiveness brought about by Bush, it appears that it couldn't survive another republican administration.
If the choice was up to me, I'd take a chance on a well meaning, inexperienced, dreamer, before I would an old out of touch political hack and more of the same.
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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Let's see, Reagan deregulated the Savings and Loan industry and we had to bail them out. They also nuttered the USDA so now we have meat recalls on a weekly basis, and now because of the mortgage crisis we have to bail out Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac among other failing banks across the country and you want them to stay in power? What are they going to ruin next?
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Whatever their rich masters tell them to .
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The Fantasy of John and Sarah
As the GOP desperately uses taxpayer money to bail out corrupt financial circles, Sarah and John are busy raising money from the corrupt circles that led to the collapse of our economy. Then Sarah and John tell us that this corruption is what they will change.
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Hyper - interesting that you think the unions taking their member's money by force for the election is the right thing to do.
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Unions begin big election effort, By John Wojcik, People's Weekly World
With the primary season over, labor is wasting no time jumping into the fall campaign. The 10-million-member AFL-CIO is expected to endorse Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, shortly. The Change to Win federation has already endorsed him.
Once the AFL-CIO officially endorses Obama, it is expected to deploy large numbers of ground troops for the election. It has already budgeted $54.3 million for its own get-out-the vote drive and may, according to its political committee chairman, AFSCME President Gerald McEntee, spend as much as $60 million on the effort.
The Steelworkers have already begun what they say will be 30,000 or more worksite visits by union activists, talking directly to workers about Obama’s positions. They’re emphasizing his proposals for fair trade policies and for creation of millions of good paying “green” manufacturing jobs. The jobs they are talking about include production of solar cells, industrial-sized windmills to power electric turbines, and hybrid automobile engines.
The Service Employees (SEIU), the largest union in the Change to Win federation, voted at their June 2–4 convention in San Juan, Puerto Rico, to spend $85 million for the fall campaign to elect Obama and a bigger Democratic majority in Congress.
An additional $55 million will be spent for a legislative campaign to push for creation of a “universal, comprehensive and affordable national health care plan,” according to a union statement issued after the convention.
In a unique move, SEIU voted to spend $10 million to mount campaigns against legislators on any level who go back on promises they have made to the labor movement.
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Organizing in Oregon
The Civil and Human Rights Committee of SEIU Local 503, Oregon Public Employees Union sponsored and hosted a talk by Communist Party Vice Chair Jarvis Tyner, Local 503 retiree activist Ann Montague and union organizer Bob Novick on Friday, August 8 in Portland, Oregon.
The forum was held to reflect on past civil rights struggles and to tie these to the present political moment. The panel featured three slightly different perspectives on the past and on the Obama candidacy. Communist literature was briskly distributed. One woman who attended took a number of items with her for her non-union paper mill.
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david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
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Aw, Klarissa, aren't you going to soap box about the NEA and the AFT? The two teachers unions in this country have both sided with Barack Obama. With over 4 million unionized teachers, surely you have something to say about us! Come on, the SEIU and AFSCME are backers of the Democrats, and rightly so. The Democrats have had labor's best interests at heart for decades now. One only need look at the disaster of the 1980s when your beloved Ronnie Reagan trashed the air traffic controllers union. We do not need to watch out for corporations best interests, they will fend for themselves. It is the average, typical middle and lower class Americans who need all the support their government can muster. I know that eats at you, but what else can you do when you own 7 homes and make over $5 million?
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sprytling1 year, 3 months ago
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Umm...I think you need to go back and re-read history. The Republicans didn't do anything with the mortgage industry...that was strictly a dem/lib screw up. EVERYBODY should be able to buy a home, remember? Clinton spoke eloquently on the matter.
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The problem is that people bought too much house with balloon payments that they weren't going to be able to make, and now it's everybody else's problem. How about a house for $65,000 and a little less square footage and payments that you could afford always.-
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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OH FCS, this is just too wrong not to make a comment.
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IT was the republicans the removed regulation from the finance and mortgage industires, the repubs are all about deregulation, spurred on by a major effort by one of McCain's economic advisors, the "they're just whiners" Phil Gramm, who milked the change for all it's worth and got rich.
It used to be that you had to "qualify " for a mortgage through a series of benchmark ratios. Remove this regulation, and anyone could get a mortgage as long as there was someone out there to give it to them. And there were plenty of mortgage brokers out there to do it-- no qualifying and no accountablity, as the mortgages were packaged up by other professionals and no one bothered to find out if people could actually afford their homes.
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Excuse me, but you're incorrect. That particular person was very proud to announce what he had done...it was President Clinton. The dem/lib/socialist/communists love regulations and oversight...it just gives them more opportunity to reach into the kitty. By the way, Obama received the second greatest amount in monies from lobbyists for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Isn't that peculiar? I think we need a total investigation into why a 3 year Senator has so much going on in 143 days of service and I also think we need to know who has had their hands in the til...betcha it's mostly dem/lib/socialist/communists.
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I agree with you on McCains and Bushs leading deregulation Energy and Banking industry and etc. for their own selected "peeps" greed at the expense of everyday people, your grandparents, parents and family and friends. It is very clear...McCain intends to seek deregulation of our Social Security and Health Care and result in disastrous bailout, again. Therefore, U.S. economy and any credibility we have, will be completely destroyed and resulting in total chaos. Why are they doing this? They already know what the repercussions will be...simply grand payouts to their top executives at the expense of the lives of our everyday citizens, especially those in the retired population. I think that is referred to as "cronyism". "Experience in Washington" seems to be a moot point. We have had Less experienced become our President of the United States...such as a tailor, Andrew Jackson. There are many many others on the list of Presidents with less experience than "who". That is really subjective.
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I think, listen to what they are saying and not saying or avoiding. If you were to close your eyes and just listened to the candidates. Listen to all they say and what they do, and don't do....who would you vote for?
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
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Why the fright?
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Obama might bring peace rather than perpetual war?
Obama might bring a balanced budget rather than placing a huge burden of debt on the unborn?
Obama might bring sanity to the corporate grab for profit at expense of the tax payer?
Obama might bring health care for citizens rather than profit for the HMOs?
If the above really scares you, there is an alternative candidate who is for more of the same economic and foreign policy disaster that Bush has spent seven-plus years achieving.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago
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“God help us all.”
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Haven’t you figured it out yet? Part of the reason the US finds itself in its current situation is because of its population’s delusional need to believe that there is some kindly old gent up in the sky that cares about them. Well there isn’t one.
Stop looking to a book written over two thousand years ago by itinerant goat herders and an imaginary man in the sky, to solve the problems of today.
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evadadiva1 year, 3 months ago
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I can only speak for my own experience-but I know there is a God- when I look at my beautiful children, when I see the stars in the sky, the trees and all the amazing and beautiful creatures that inhabit this earth. When I survived what I survived- when my mother beat breast cancer, when I cried out to him and he answered, when my kids come home safe and remain healthy, when I feel love, when I see a babys smile-even when I take a breath of air -all the wonders of the world- unless it was your uncle or somebody that created this earth and gave us life-I can't vouch for no book, but I sat around a dying relative and held hands and prayed and witnessed the miracle of his recovery-even if it was the doctors and the medicine- thank GOD for that too. If there is not one thing you can look back on and say I can't believe I survived never experienced any form of miracle in your life then maybe you should give God a try. It's the same mind set that allows you to be against Obama- the one where you would criticize and look down on something that gives you hope, gives you peace, teaches love and gives you a guideline to use-because if we had none-no rules,nothing that said this is right and this is wrong-what kind of world would this be?
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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evadiva - You certainly sound like a vary gentle, caring, loving moter and Christian. But that is the very antithesis of what Rev Kroon is preaching in the article that started this discussion board.
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If that is what Kroon really believe and Palin also believes in this God of anger and Retribution, then God help us all if McCain/Palin get elected. She conceivably see her role as God's hand in this world to rid the world of sinners. Bush has said that God told him that he was meant to be president. Cheney behaves like he IS God.
Heaven help us if Palin also invokes God in her pursuit of her earthly goals.
I, too, am a firm believer in God. But my God is caring, forgiving, merciful, and loving. He loved us so much He sent us His only Son to die for our sins.
As far as rules and guidelines to live by and to govern our behavior, who do you think has broken those rules? Who has lied about WMD's to incite an illegal war that has killed over 4000 US soldiers, 1.2 million Iraqis, and created 4 million refugees?
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inverse1 year, 3 months ago
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For those believer, God exist in their heart. But they may not be on the side of God. Remember those Republican who played for rain over DNC outdoor convention in Denver, God didn't listen, but instead Republican got a hurricane washing out their convention on Katrina day.
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nicoleng1 year, 3 months ago
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You do not believe that, there is God. You do not have to. Nobody has to. It does not change fact that HE does exists. I do not understand why people fight Him if they do not believe that He exists. I just want to tell you that communists were fighting God(i am a survivor of that). And let me tell you something surviving a communism , i think was worst than surviving a great depression. I just would suggest that you read some of that book written over two thousand years ago if it is still around it is probably for a reason.
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nicoleng1 year, 3 months ago
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You do not believe that, there is God. You do not have to. Nobody has to. It does not change fact that HE does exists. I do not understand why people fight Him if they do not believe that He exists. I just want to tell you that communists were fighting God(i am a survivor of that). And let me tell you something surviving a communism , i think was worst than surviving a great depression. I just would suggest that you read some of that book written over two thousand years ago if it is still around it is probably for a reason.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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Evadadiva... you make way too much sense not to get targeted by the Palintators.
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Besides the whole "I am woman" argument, there is no way Palin can not neglect her children and be VP at the same time. The reason we don't ask this of men is because men are not the primary caregivers... unless the whole traditional values things the GOP espouses is now a thing of a past, which I doubt given all the Cindy madonna camera pans at the GOP convention.
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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We look for some intelligence, wisdom, gravitas, understanding, and the ability to unite our country for a common purpose when we choose our President.
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We made a collective mistake twice in a row and put a real, authentic fake in the White House!
It will take years to get out of the ditch this guy has landed us in.
Do we want to do the same stupid mistake again and get this 72 year old con artist there?
If we do, we might as well forget the future - if we survive at all!
There is a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT hanging on our heads, and we expect our children, grand-children and our great-grand children to pay for our blunders?
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saneman1 year, 3 months ago
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I have talked to many Republicans who don't believe that the U.S. has a $10 trillion National Debt. They actually think it is made up just so that the government can tax them. The dollar would not have set record lows this year had there not been a $10 trillion National Debt. When Clinton balanced the budget, the dollar soared. I am not sure if the Republicans are smart enough to access and read the Forex currency charts, because I have yet to talk to a Republican with brains.
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mamafig1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, dollar soared, but the money came from somewhere, the FBI was in a shambles from cut funds and low and behold 3000 people died due to Clinton's mis calculations. You can save plenty, but you had bes be sure that you take the money from areas that are not necessarily needed at one time but might at another. Do you remember in the middle 90's when all the defense companies closed, thousands were out of work, did those people mean less to you then those out of work today?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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Cheney seems not so much a pit bull as a ghoul that refuses to die, maybe a cross between a zombie and a hob-goblin
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Palin, not so much a pit bull either, too hot. I don't know what to compare her with-but I like those 80's big hair sportscaster vids
so I prefer to think of her as a middle-aged Debbie Gibson
if you said 'who?' I say 'exactly...'
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't know about that. I was brought up as a Lutheran, and there was none of that fire and brimstone stuff. That was where the bad people went. But we were taught to look to the light and strive to make ourselves better. The lion laying with the lamb.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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the call is for equity...fairness
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like with the racist thing where the same people who cry out when Obama says typical white person have nothing to say about McCain saying 'I will always hate the gooks'-unless it's to qualify [hilariously] McCain's statement for him, saying he only meant some 'gooks'
so if you sh!t a brick over Reverend Wright's condemnation of America and say 'see how this reflects on Obama' you have to at least crap a stone over Pailn's pastor going further and saying not only is God gonna condemn America, but 'strike' it as well
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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Of all the people commenting here and railing against this pastor, how many of you actually took the time to listen to the sermon in question? There is a audio file on the linked article and I just listened to it. The article takes the pastor's words completely out of context and makes it sound like he's preaching how God is mad at America, etc. He doesn't say that at all. He's preaching on a passage where it says that God will wipe out all of humanity, which includes America. Taken in context, he's saying nothing outrageous if you believe in the Bible scripture he is sermonizing.
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Now, I am not a Sarah Palin fan. I don't agree with any of her policy stances that we know of and I think she makes the McCain ticket even scarier than it was before she was selected. However, attacks like this are going to backfire on us. They aren't accurate, for one. And for those who are on the fence and really investigate what is being said, she comes out looking like the righteous one in this exchange......that's the scariest thing of all.
I really wish I could convince you all to quit with the slime attacks like these because it is so important for Obama to win that we can't afford to lose people over a matter of losing credibility for putting such unsubstantiated or false hack pieces out there about her. I want to defeat her, not martyr her. And pieces like this walk a fine line between the two. For the religious voters out there, you'll do nothing but alienate them when they hear the sermon and see how its all been twisted for political gain. They'll vote Palin just because you've called them nuts too. Is that really want you all want to do here? I hope that's not the case..-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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The last thing America needs now are the "end-time-whackos" that Palin is associated with (and has been funding with taxpayer money).
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I will be convinced that the "religious voters" are not nuts when they show us that they believe in democracy rather than theocracy. Until now they seem awfully naive.
Where Have I Seen Sarah Palin Before?
I grew up in Iran and immigrated to US to avoid living in a theocracy. Lately though, the trajectory of US politics is like the Ayatollahs. Sarah Palin was much better dressed than the average show mom paraded on Iranian TV more than 20 years ago. The show moms were typically dressed in a black veil. But that’s about the biggest difference. The rhetoric was eerily familiar. When she was finished, I knew I had seen her before. Only that it wasn’t her. It was her ideological predecessors at a different time in a different country.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 3 months ago
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Debra,
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Because we all don't process information through emotional filters like you do. Some of us actually believe Palin is not fit to be leader of the free world, and it has nothing to do with jealousy, resentment, or a thousand other emotional reasons people who watch soap operas all day come up with because that's what they think makes the world turn. -
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trjFrogWash1 year, 3 months ago
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Notice that Palin's pastor predicts apocalypse for ALL of America - not just WHITE Americans like Obama's pastor. Even liberal wingnuts should be able to the difference. Pakin's pastor may be a religious extremist, but Obamas's guy is a RACIST!
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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If it comes down to a choice between "religion" that advocates liberty and equality versus "religion" that advocates theocracy associated with racism and fascist violence, the first seems much more American than the second. Why is Palin supporting these kinds of groups with taxpayer money? Sounds like you are a member of this kind of group.
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'Arming' for Armageddon - Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy
Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
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whispererk1 year, 3 months ago
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God/Nature is going to win out over mankind,but not for any religious reasons; simply put mankind is nothing more than a ****ant in the face of Ma Nature. Really, when you think about it, mankind is not that far removed from the cave. We are far to ignorant to understand our place in the grand scheme of things. We have misjudged our position and as a result have worked against Nature instead of with it. We have not been very good caretakes of the planet; we are still too bellicose; and perhaps most important of all, we are so full of ourselves that we have inflated our importance. Our time is just about over.
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mamafig1 year, 3 months ago
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What is more alarming in this world is the amount of ministers doing sermons that do not help people cope with every day life, help people survive and find good in those around them, these pastors and ministers are promoting evil, hate and contempt and this does not seem to be a healthy environment for us and our children. How would americans feel if in our public schools this was not only done, but accepted? We would be furious. Enough, if your big old mouth cannot put out some kind words of optimism and encouragement, pack your crap up and move to a country were your sermons will be welcomed..... PEOPLE NEED TO START THINKING AND NOT LET RELIGION DICTATE WHAT THEY FEEL, STOP LETTING THESE CRAZY CONTROLLING MEN/WOMEN WHO STAND AT PODIUMS ALL OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY TELL YOU ALL OF THE REASONS THAT LIFE SUCKS, FIND THE REASONS WHY LIFE IS WONDERFUL, THEY ARE THERE IF YOU LOOK...
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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The oddest thing about all this is that if I as a crank and curmudgeon went about publicly declaring that the creator of the universe, whose eye is on the sparrow yaddah yaddah, is actually just a vindictive little prick whose game is inflicting death, mayhem, misery and despair, the faithful would surely stone me at the village gates as they did the prophets of old.
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But if I were to proclaim that view of diety from the pulpit as this pastor does, I would be golden, and there would be nimwads aplenty lapping it up as they filled my collection plate.
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sflorida1 year, 3 months ago
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You are all crazy! The problem with this country is that we have democrats and republicans. We are no longer AMERICANS. We need someone who can represent our ideals and goals in this government. The democrats are all for taxing the rich but that is not really what happens. The rich never pay taxes. They just seek another shelter for their money. The poor don't have anything so 0 of 0 is 0. The ones who end up paying for all of this socialized programs is the middle class. So we keep working to pay for bums that cannot get off of their a-- and do something for themselves. We are also paying for a war that the republicans insisted that was necessary for our national security. When are we as Ameicans going to rise up and tell these imposters that we don't want any of them? I am neither republican nor democrat. I AM AMERICAN and proud of it. We the people are supposed to be running this country not some off the wall liberal or crazy conservative. Most Americans are middle of the road. The questions is when are you going to quit fighting with your brother/sister and unite as Americans?
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Agreed, sflorida!
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and follow a few basic guidelines that hopefully will keep them on the path this time.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Actualy, I was joking, by mocking myself.
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And I understand perfectly why that was invisible to you.
Seriously, gwhiddon: how could you and I ever unite on an issue?
Isn't there more than just a disagreement how to get test-scores for kids up, how to increase the value of the dollar, how to police the streets?
I read what you write; to me it is self-righteous growling, devoid of real thought, analysis or consciounce.
No doubt you feel some dark equivalent when you bother reading anything I write.
There is no communcation between us possible.
No agreement.
We don't speak the same language, don't want the same things.
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gwhiddon1 year, 3 months ago
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Who said I wanted you to agree with me?
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I've got my thoughts, you've got yours.
This is a hobby for me, I've got a full time job and like to enjoy a day off.
If you wonder why I sound angry, you haven't been reading the posts on here, like you asking for apologies, when you've been dishing the same or worse.
I just make comments, no long winded speeches. This isn't my life, it's a very short part of my day.
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sflorida1 year, 3 months ago
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You are all crazy! The problem with this country is that we have democrats and republicans. We are no longer AMERICANS. We need someone who can represent our ideals and goals in this government. The democrats are all for taxing the rich but that is not really what happens. The rich never pay taxes. They just seek another shelter for their money. The poor don't have anything so 0 of 0 is 0. The ones who end up paying for all of this socialized programs is the middle class. So we keep working to pay for bums that cannot get off of their a-- and do something for themselves. We are also paying for a war that the republicans insisted that was necessary for our national security. When are we as Ameicans going to rise up and tell these imposters that we don't want any of them? I am neither republican nor democrat. I AM AMERICAN and proud of it. We the people are supposed to be running this country not some off the wall liberal or crazy conservative. Most Americans are middle of the road. The questions is when are you going to quit fighting with your brother/sister and unite as Americans?
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jaern1 year, 3 months ago
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(Grrr to edit) I remember sitting in a Pentecostal church 30 years ago when the pastor said the only reason why the US hadn't imploded on itself was because the US supported Israel. Could that be the real reason why the US turns a blind eye to Israel's shenanigans in the Middle East?
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nightweasel1 year, 3 months ago
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its foolish to think that god doesnt exist. just us being here is a pretty big miracle. but i believe for more scientific reasons...i mean look at water, its a molecule that seems like it was made specificaly to bring life. i mean we are literally a bubble of life in the middle of the most uninhabitable enviroment imaginable. now whether or not god is watching over us, or whether or not there is an afterlife none of us can say. for every story of miracles and prayers working there is a hundred stories of them not. i say god exists but i'm sure he or she is not interested in the least by this election.. or in christmas for that matter. we've made a mess of that holiday.
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copter1 year, 3 months ago
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You People get me sick. All you have to do is read Hussein's book, the Audacity of Hope, pretty scary. Calling sarah palin a pig, wow................real classy, I guess your at a loss for more proper words, just shows your intelligence. None.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Some people do not sound as though they are speaking an opinion.
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They sound more like sleepers, grumbling to themselves in a dream.
grumble, grumble, Hussein.
Make me sick.
You people. Palin, wow.......
real classy...shows your intelligence huh,
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marcoarodriguez1 year, 3 months ago
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If a pastor or anyone else are going to pretend to represent God, then maybe they should read all of the Bible. THE NEW TESTAMENT says that God poured out "all of His wrath" on Jesus for "our sake." If God is still mad at us, then He is a liar. By the way, the Bible also says that God cannot lie. Yes, you read this right. There are a few things God cannot do. The Bible says that He cannot sin. It also says he cannot lie (which is also sin). So maybe this pastor should read "all of the Bible" before he stands in front of people and tries to speak for God. The problems in this world are a result of our own doing. God gave us the planet to care for it. He gave us the power of dominion. We have free will to make our own choices, but we must accept the consequences of our own behavior. Read the book of Genesis. To blame God for our own troubles is to slander God. I am sure this pastor was sincere, but he was also sincerely wrong. It is preaching like this that gives God a bad name.
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Anyhow, as far as my opinion on Sarah Palin: whether one agrees with her political views or not is our own God-given choice. It's also our right as Americans so I wont belittle anyone who thinks differently than I. So, keep in mind that the following is just my opinion. I do take exception at the narrow mindedness of some people who say that Palin is somehow a bad parent if she is not home taking care of the kids (paraphrase). Last time I checked, she had a loving husband who has no apparent issues on taking care of them. The only thing he can't do is breast feed. :) I am a father of 5 children. My wife and I are both professional people. My wife runs a rehabilitation hospital and is required to travel extensively. I am able to take care of our children just as well as she can. There are a few single parents out there, you know; and some of them happen to be fathers. Its interesting to me that in these "modern times" some would have you think that it is ok for men to be in political power, but not women. If you are a woman and you "choose" to not pursue other ambitions outside the home... GREAT. That is your choice. But don't be so narrow-minded and criticize someone else who thinks differently. By the way, I do a great job taking care of our kids. My oldest just started college, he is an honor student, and got an academic as well as athletic scholarship to a private university. my 12 year old and 10 year old are also honor students, blackbelts, play basketball for their schools, swim on the swimming team, and volunteer at our church. Our 5 year old twins are also doing well and are in gymnastics.
By the way, no, we are not rich, and don't have nannys. My wife and I take care of them, ourselves. I am not saying all of this to brag, just simply to say that it can be done. If my wife and I can do it, I am sure someone like Sarah Palin can do it too.-
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''It also says he cannot lie ''
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that's the problem of God as omnipotent.
the all-powerful, beneficent Allah, cannot do a lot of things. God cannot cease to be, he cannot lie and he cannot beat me at thumb-wrestling, as it requires thumbs
I prefer to believe in a non-omnipotent God, because then its not that he COULD save babies that die in car crashes and wars, and yes, abortion tables, but chooses not to help.
I wouldn't have any respect for a man who lets a baby get run over in the street when he could have easily run out and picked the child up, so why should I have any more respect for and hold God to a LESSER standard than man?
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benighse1 year, 3 months ago
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THE REPUBLICAN MANTRA ON TEENAGE PREGNANCY: Example 1: About Teenager Jamie Lynn Spears: Premarital sex and teen sex and teen pregnancy are all sins! Example 2: Sarah Palin and her teenage daughter: Premarital sex (mother and daughter) and teen sex and teen pregnancy (daughter): Their Republican pre-marital pregnancies are a GIFT FROM GOD as LIFE HAPPENS! ==== YUP, YOU GUESSED IT: SIN AIN'T SIN WHEN GOOD FOLKS DO IT!!!!
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rosebud9991 year, 3 months ago
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There goes that liberal media again. They are just trying to embarrass Sarah Plain with their lies.
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They even try to make what her pastor says sound like something bad.
We need her. We need her to be President, not just Vice-President.
We need her to stand-up for family values; stand against the purveyors of filth and birth-control (I call it murder). Stop the sodomites and the baby killers. Fight the heathens and lead a crusade in the name of the Lord.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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We do need someone to stand up for family values; but they have to actualy have family values. 'Walking the talk' cliche-style.
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That means zero divorces, no affairs, no scarlet letters! If you can't handle your family, go home; that is family values.
As for the birth control thing, - the fact you call it murder is significant mostly in what it tells us about you.
As for the sodomites, - I and everyone here understand your obsession with this issue, and how it keeps you up at night, browsing through the internet to collect info to fight this evil. Don't get caught.
But is a woman a fit warrior to lead us in a crusade?
What would Zephaniah say? Where is her lord and husband that should take her by the hand and lead her back to the tents to tend her children?
I am with you on the crusade against the heathen.
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Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
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"There goes that liberal media again. They are just trying to embarrass Sarah Plain with their lies."
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OMFG, how funny! First of all, it wasn't the liberal media that called Sarah "plain," it was you, just now. LOL!You nailed it! I hope the nickname sticks...
Second, the media, liberal or not, has no need to lie. They have a cursory glance at this hayseed, it's been what, a week, and it already seems there's no end to the skeletons in her closet. What will happen when we have a closer look?
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jnsync1 year, 3 months ago
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Yahweh, the Almighty Heavenly Father, is also angry about the other personal sins that people in this country are committing.. beginning with thinking that his commandments were done away with and that we now live under the "dispensation of grace". No we may not have or worship anything or anyone other the Him (some people don't realize they put money before Him), if we love Him we would keep his commandments.. honor our parents.. keep holy his Sabbath day --which is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown not Sunday for Yahweh in NOT the sun god,.. not killing your neighbor -- which is more than just stabbing or shooting, you can "kill" people by degrading them, discouraging their large and small deeds, casting them aside as if they have no value thru word or deed, killing their "spirit"... coveting your neighbor's anything that includes lusting after their spouse... stealing anybody's anything that includes stealing Yahweh's glory by being presumptuous enough to think that you can and have done everything on your own. Yahweh says "without me you can do nothing". Yes, he is upset about how we have treated this land we are living on but he is even more upset with how we are irreverencing Him and mistreating each other. .. and we can start by reflecting on these, repenting of these truly with a contrite heart, and believing that his son Yahshua Messiah -- who most people know of as Jesus-- paid the sin debt for us & accepting him by his REAL name. We must all go deeper my friends.
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thebal931 year, 3 months ago
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I dont understand why this is a story! Obama's pastor said this country released HIV to blacks and minorities. Obama's pastor said downright CRAZY things. Palin's pastor, on the other hand, spoke the truth. God is not happy with us. We are an imperfect world. What do you morons think happened in the old testament when God got p-i-s-s-e-d at everyone because of how sinful they were? He sent a flood to destroy everything. God is angry with us. The world and its people are full of sin, you, me, everyone! AND any true christian knows JUDEGEMENT DAY is coming. So if you are a christian you cannot disagree with this pastor, our world and worldly behavior is sinful and makes God angry. However this pastor, and the bible both never say that we cannot beat sin. Because Jesus and God are forgiving, we CAN ALL come to christ and he will open his arms to us in forgiveness and love. Wake up "christian" people! Put aside Obama and McCain for a second, and read what scriptrure has to tell us, than form your opinion!
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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Sometimes I do wish God would come down and take all his "true believers" like you up to paradise and leave the rest of us down here in the world you so disapprove of. I'm sure we will do just fine and our world will become an even more beautiful tolerant place to live out our existence.
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thebal931 year, 3 months ago
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Hey, when did I ever say I was perfect! Iam the same sinner you are, we are all sinners. Im not perfect, your not perfect so you make absolutley no sense. Im not "chosen" or saved. Thats why we as christians work to be better christians all the time. Youve just been disprooven.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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If you feel like your a sinner then do what ever it is you feel is necessary to think better of yourself, but it is just plain rude to stick your face over the fence and accuse your neighbor of being full of sin and that he is p-i-s-s-i-n-g off God. Let him live his own life the way he wants. That's what God gave him free will to do wasn't it???
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Albmore1 year, 3 months ago
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This is as stupid as trying to tie Obama to his pastor. With all the problems in the USA are their still so many idiots that waist our time on this stuff. I would take it a dem. posted this. Think back on how you hated when it happened to Obama. Then grow up and look at the real issues.
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highschooldiplom1 year, 3 months ago
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So, Sarah Palin's pastor believes that God is angry. In my opinion that is nonsense. Who cares what the pastor thinks or the governor of Alaska. Tha facts are that the US is in an unprecedented economic crisis due to the irresponsible decisions of the Bush administration. Should John McCain win in November, we'll have 4 more years of the same.
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TrueProgressive1 year, 3 months ago
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Keep up the good work Aidenag. I love it, injest complains about supposed left wing smears, then directs us to the Weekly Standard, right wing smear central.
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My own opinion about Palin is that she's a lying sack of sh!t. This stuff about her being the mother of the 4 month old Down's Syndrome child is pure cr*p. If she really wants to put the record straight, all she has to do is to release the medical records of her alleged delivery of the child. Simple. Instead, she throws her 17- year old under the bus. You wait, after the election, the Palins will release the "heartbreaking" news that poor Bristol miscarried. Wow, what a surprise.
Oh, and BTW, to set one other big lie straight, this issue isn't about Bristol, and attacking Palin on it is NOT dragging the poor girl through the mud. Her mother's already seen fit to do that. This issue is about Palin herself, pure, plain and simple. If she's willing to cover up and lie about this, imagine what she'd be willing to lie and cover up about as prez, like a war based on lies about WMD's, for instance??? -
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lbrtyordeath1 year, 3 months ago
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I have not read a single comment on this thread....
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But I'm gonna take a blind guess.
All the Republicans are going "What about that racist militant black Rev Wright?"
And the dems are laughing their butts off at the fact that there are, indeed NUTS on both sides of the fence, not just the left.
The problem is that these bible-thumping flag-waving religious zealots on the right have been pretty successful in their bid to control American politics.
What I want to know is, when the hell did the Republican Party become the Christian Party?
I am a Christian, I own a gun, AND I'm a Democrat.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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I haven't read your post;
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but I am guessing you dissed the republicans, accused them of waving the flag instead of working to better their country; and probably you point out that they are more the party of religious shouting than religious believing.
And that works for me. Good post!
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Kupanaha1 year, 3 months ago
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Why don't we have your God fight my God, or maybe have the GODS have a drinking contest. I have never heard a preacher who didn't want to tell me how mad God is and will get us.
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altakaka551 year, 3 months ago
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Boy , this pastor is such a ******* Idiot!!! There is NO SUCH THING AS GOD. People just created this concept in their minds to help them cope with their problems. Thats what you call "Creationism". When this planet burns up and we all perish its not going to have anything to do with "God"! But the pastor IS right about 1 thing. The Selfishness of people WILL ultimately destroy the Earth..
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GOINGOINGONE1 year, 3 months ago
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LARRY YOU ARE DEFINATLY RIGHT, GOD IS VERY ****** OFF;;;;;AND ITS YOU BIBLE THUMPIN;;REPUBLICAN S LIKE BUSH ,CHENEY,, AND THE XTREAM RIGHT THAT GOT GOD ;;;;;;;****** OFF;;;;' AND YOUR FLOCK CAN'T SEEM TO STOP FROM GETTING F#CK'ED WHAT A PASTOR YOU MUST BE 17YR 16AT THE TIME OF YOU KNOW WHAT;;AND HER MOTHER IS TRYING TO GET IN LINE FOR THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION ;;;APPARENTLY SHE THINK S ,THE POSITION IS ON HER BACK
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jkbruds1 year, 3 months ago
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I live in the Pacific Northwest & I tend to be pretty liberal in my ideologies (I'm a Social Worker, go figure!) BUT I can tell you this about Sarah Palin....she has infused the base of the religious right. I really really really thought we were moving past the old go to's of God, Gays & Guns....but I guess we are all not so enlightened. This woman puts women's liberation behind about a hundred years. Good luck out there.
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nowtellthetruth1 year, 3 months ago
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God is angry for sure. Angry that Sarah kills God's creatures and passes laws to allow the low-consciousness, unevolved hunters to do the same.
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Sarah needs to go back to the woods and learn that "pro-life" means ALL life - not just the ones she chooses.
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ladydiana0531 year, 3 months ago
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Ever noticed how when ever a republican is questioned about their views or ethics, they switch the conversation back to Obama. They don't have an original idea of their own and like usual steal everything from others, i.e. CHANGE slogan. Since Obama didn't pick Hillary, McCain figured he'd still the lime light from the one thing Blacks have to celebrate (first black nominee), even though he knows damn well this Sarah lady is not qualified to represent the country.
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Sarah was picked by one single person, verses the voice of the people who picked Obama, so let's not hear anything about Obama being chosen. He was chosen the democratic way not by the decision of one old senile man who may die at any moment and leave us stuck with this religious wacko. -
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Sir_Lagalot1 year, 3 months ago
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heh, another End of Days believer. The funny thing is, is that we've always have had them, starting in the mid 1800's, who for some reason have been consistently failing in there predictions. Wasn't the "end of days" that he speaks of supposed to happen in 2000 with the YTK Bug? I guess hes banking on the old pagan calander of the mayans to run out to Finally prove hes right. Funny, I see very little difference between Palin and Ahmadinutjob in Iran, except for the fact that one has a Y chromosome, and the other doesn't.
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lloydm651 year, 2 months ago
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Palin probably heard me in one of my rants,yes I believe God is going pass a judgement on America, but evidently he is more long suffering than I am.I would have sent a little brimstone,when Roe V Wade was passed,and again when we started accepting gays as a normal life style.Maybe he's waiting on man-sheep,and women -horse life style.That can't be to far down the road.
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earlfitz381 year, 2 months ago
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I am reading all these blogs and I believe that most of the people don't know God. You see that the bible in proverbs 6, 16 says there is six thing I hate, yes seven are an abomination to him. a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speak lies, and one who sows discord among the brethren.So when you get on these blogs and spread lies remember these words.God will do what he do. What you do is vote for who you think is right for you and your need.God is not mocked what so ever a man sows that shall he also reap. Obama belongs to God too.
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jacjess424 months, 2 weeks ago
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read your bible,God is in control, one day when He comes back all the people that don't believe in Him will have to give an account for their lives. Sarah Palin and her pastor are in touch with God, therefore they know whats going on in this world. Sarah Palin will keep speaking the truth even though she will be made fun of and ridiculed for everything she does and says. Thats ok. she is tough. she will always put God and her family first and keep speaking up for what she believes in. Wake up America! She is one of very few that you should be trusting in the political world!
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