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Posted By JaimieM 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsThis is not proof of anything other than a gaffe, but it is interesting that he would make such a gaffe. Freudian slip? Or a tired candidate making a verbal slipup?
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JaimieM1 year, 3 months ago
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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This is neither an admission of anything nor a slip due to the lack of a teleprompter. Some Republicans have been claiming that he is a Muslim ever since he became a candidate. He simply states on the video that McCain has not made such accusations personally. It is George Stephanopoulos's interruption that makes it look like a slip.
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drpolyphemus1 year, 3 months ago
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You are absolutely correct. He did not misspeak. He did simply say that McCain did not make claims that he was a Muslim.
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What he did do is restate it in a way that he could not be taken out of context by the Neo-Cons and that the quote could not be replayed on ad nauseam on Fux.
He deftly saw that it might be misinterpreted against him and nipped it in the bud.-
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gradivus1 year, 3 months ago
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Even catching it immediately and explaining what he meant by it wouldn't have been enough to keep it from being front page (press) and leading news item (TV) material for weeks had he been a Republican. Were he a Republican the mainstream media would see it as an indication of low intelligence because (according to them) he was too stupid to say "my supposedly being a Muslim" instead of "my Muslim faith," and would report it in a way that made their opinion evident.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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I think he would be very tired by now and it could be a slip from that. This is not some grand plot by Muslimsto have on of their own to take over the country. If the man want to pray to Jesus one minute, Allah the next and some Hindu image or denounce that any God exists I don't really care, as long as he will not do anything to stop others from having freedom of speech and religion.
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He really does need to whatch what he says this close to the end of the elction though, their are many undecided that take these sorts of slips seriously.-
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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You are probably right, he is more than likely very tired, however he didn't say he was a Muslim. He said that McCain hadn't made the Muslim accusation, then George Stephanopoulos took the comment and ran with it. So much for left leaning media!
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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gradivus1 year, 3 months ago
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That just means "God is great," and a politician of any faith addressing a Muslim audience would do the same. Would you suspect a white Christian candidate (Huckabee, for instance) if he addressed a Jewish audience about faith and said the Shema (which translates to "Hear oh Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is One")? Would that make you think he was secretly Jewish, even if he said it in Hebrew?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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The term has been an Islamic battle cry for many centures. Also, 1) Huckabee was not raised Jewish, and if even he was 2) I'm not aware of the existence of millions of Jewish terrorists, although no doubt hyperbola considers all Jews except those advocating the destruction of Isreal to be terrorists.
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robear1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes lets not forget what isreal likes to do to palestinians. perhaps you should step out of your trailor some time and read a book or two.
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tard....
as for a battlecry - did christians not have very similar battlecries during the crusades? you could take anything and make it into a battlecry.
dont be a douche and pollute propeller with your ignorance - come back when you know a thing or two.-
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm more worried about what the Palestinians are doing to everyone else. That's why they've been kicked out of Jordan, Kuwait, and other countries. Arab states don't want them in their countries so I get tired of people beating the Palestinian issue drum. Maybe you should make sure that you can spell "trailer" properly before you call someone else a "tard". If you're going to be a sarcastic douchebag, do it right. I have read a considerable number of books on the subject of the Crusades and the history of the period is commonly misrepresented by the left.
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
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Neighbors? How friendly would you be to neighbors who tossed you from land you had owned for generations with no compensation? BTW did you know the Jordanians were forced to eject the PLO or suffer the consequences form Israel? Kinda like Bush and the Republicans if you dont play our way.
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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Really. When I spent the Summer in Israel on a kibbutz, the meanie Jews would make one pass over the potato field with the harvester machine. Any spuds too small to be picked up were left for area Palestinians to gather--free of charge. I watched them fill a half dozen baskets in a matter of hours...just during my 4-hour shift on the machine.
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MEAN JEWS!
I could go on about the life-saving surgeries and organ transplants these brutes force on Palestinian children, but I think everyone here gets the picture.
Fortunately, Jew-Bob is on the job. He lurks where unsuspecting Gentiles fail to notice his Mossad bodyguards, keying in laser-guided bomb coordinates from his laptop in Parma, Ohio, relayed to a satellite uplink located in the basement of his local synagogue, directly to patrolling F-15s and F-16s.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. Jew-Bob is always vigilant.
Jew-Bob is a Registered Trademark of Jew-Bob, LLC. Jew-Bob is not related to Billy-Bob, Ricky-Bob. Sammy-Bob, or any other Bobs, hyphenated or otherwise.
/sarcasm
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gradivus1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh, please. Religious Muslims also say it at weddings, and when their babies are born. They say it all the time!
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Christian's have said the Lord's Prayer for centuries when going into battle as well. Should we call it a "Christian battle cry"?
Look, I also think Islamist fanaticism is (currently) the greatest evil of our age, and the struggle against it is our greatest challenge. But I'm not willing to fight it with bigotry and emotionalistic hyperbole. That's not the American way, and I don't want it to start to be!
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Typical lib....
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Complacent after 9/11 thinking no one else out there in the world wants to kill us and our families anymore....
Of course under Bush's watch we haven't had any attacks on American soil, but the libs will maintain that had nothing to do with him....They only give him credit if a hurricane hits New Orleans and the government does nothing or the economy is doing poorly....
That is why we cannot allow a liberal imbecile in office like "Mr. inflate your tires" Osama in office....-
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually, because of this stupidly planned and executed war, we probably have a lot more people out there who want to kill us. That's why we need someone who will end this war and bring our troops home rather than someone who will continue the failed practices of a rogue administration that has been allowed by a complacent congress to run amok all over the constitution that this once great nation was founded on.
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
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When the best you can do is put up a candidate who changes his position form the beginning to the end of a speech and a VP candidate who most telling characteristics was she was in the PTA you grasp at straws. The AG crowd posting this is another example of an attempt at lies and spin which seems to permeate the GOP. Do we really want another 4 years of that???
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
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ROFLMAO is that the poll when Obama was leading yo usaid is only a poll? That one? the one where you said its a liberal poll that shouldnt be believed?? ROFLMAO. You cant even stay coinsisitent form post to post. ROFLMAO. AND STILL no link. ROFLMAO
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Funny how polls seem to only matter when Osama is ahead....
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USA Gallup poll has McCain up 10 points....CNN poll has Osama up 1 point....
Gee, I wonder why CNN has him up 1 point.? Doesn't make sense...
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/07/mccain-m...-
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dunkirk1 year, 3 months ago
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ROFLMAO. Im curuous did u read the article u just referenced? it seems that 10 point loeas dis 48% to 45%. ROFLMAO. AND due to the conventipon bounce he got, which was much less then the bounce Obama got after the DEm convention. ROFLMAO, nothing like fuzzy math when the Republoicans look at polls
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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He is a Muslim apostate. That means that once he was a Muslim ( his father was one and raised like one in Indonesia) but turned his back on that faith. He is now a Christian. The big problem is according to Sharia law a Muslim apostate is to be killed and any government official is not to stop it. So what will happen if he visits countries with Sharia law, like Iran or Saudia Arabia?
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NoWayMan1 year, 3 months ago
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ridiculous. the only thing it proves is that the blog where this came from (say anything) is appropriately named.
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yet another non-story from the right.
the people who believe obama is a secret muslim are the same type of people who believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11. the truth doesn't matter at all to these people. they're just looking for something, anything, that re-enforces their hatreds and fears. and they don't care if its a rumor, an innuendo or a complete fabrication.-
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
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-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
This is why religion should be no part of the debate!
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wendtrgw1 year, 3 months ago
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a wisper here a wisper there and rumor becomes fact. It happens to you and me all the time. Why is it so hard to accept that it will happen to B.H.O. Most adults are smart enough to just let it go by and make the choice based on record and performance. Oh yea thats right if we did that we would just vote present and move away from making the hard choices..........
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martinimaster2u1 year, 3 months ago
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"I wouldn't vote for Mohammed Ali either if he ran for President."
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W-o-w. I think you summed up your personality perfectly by this statement, DropkickaLib. Oh and great name by the way. I think NarrowMindedJackAss would have been better for you personally, but whatever.
One would assume that any thinking, half intelligent dim wit would know that you shouldn't judge an individual because of their religious views or affiliations. For you to denounce a great man like Ali without even listening to his views is both bigoted and foolish. But I'm sensing that this isn't the first time you've polluted a solid conversation with your fallacies. From now on, just read along and be quiet like a good little boy. Save a little oxygen. Feel me?
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dissent1 year, 3 months ago
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MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago
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Yeah, and those reasons are that Obama and his supporters won't let it drop.
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OBAMA has brought it up more than MCCAIN...I have yet to hear MCCAIN say anything about his race, and yet OBAMA has mentioned it on numerous occassions...
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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JaimieM
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you fool no one on propeller with your little introduction of faked objectivity.
You are attempting to spread a lie, like someone with a cold deliberately sneesing on others.
In other words, this post is snot .
And by the way; as per your suggestion: we do judge .
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
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I think it's just another example that Obama sucks without a teleprompter
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Nah it's another example of how the right wing sucks in this country. It's neither a gafe nor an admission. It's a sound bite clip use to try and convince people (who aren't otherwise too bright) of something that isn't true. -
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gulfview7771 year, 3 months ago
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traveler20001 year, 3 months ago
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***.....read ....****
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lol
This is in the supposition that the people you are writing this to, CAN read and did receive history lessons at school when they were young.
It also supposes that the history lessons they got came out of history books and not from the bible......
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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We don't owe OPEC anything. The only reason there's an OPEC is because Britain promised independence for Arab states if they revolted against the pro-German Ottomans in WWI. The self-serving Arab states liked the idea.
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The Ottomans lost along with Germany, so Britain and France proceeded to carve them up like a ***I AM SO SORRY ABOUT THIS*** Thanksgiving TURKIES !!!
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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gulfview -
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Just read what the Christians did in the 7 crusades.
Read about the barbaric tortures during the Inquisition.
Read about the atrocities and massacres of the Incans and the Mayans in the conquest of the Americas.
Read about the near slavery conditions in the mission system in California.
Read about what the Christian Adolf Hitler did to the Jews and gypsies.
Read about the Christians in Serbia persecuting Muslims.
Read about the Christian Protestants and the Christian Catholics killing each other in Northern Ireland.
Read about what our white, Christian government did to our Native American population.
Read about what the Christian Ku Klux Klan did to slaves and free blacks in rural America.
Read about what the Christian neoconservative right did to subvert our constitution and incite an illegal war in Iraq.
Read all this and you will not vote for anyone who could possibly be a Christian.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh we don't need to go all the way back to the Crusades. Our very own "christian" crusaders have been killing millions of people all over the world in the past 35 years.
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How many americans know that Cheney, wolfowitz and Rumsfeld started their mass murdering by helping kill over a million Indonesians during the Ford administration?
Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam
.... If we do not limit our analysis of Ford to his role as a U.S. "statesman," and instead examine his behavior through an internationalist lens similar to that employed to judge Saddam Hussein and concerned with crimes against humanity, we find that Ford, too, was responsible for mass murder-in East Timor. The responsibility goes further than Ford's now-well-known giving to Indonesia the proverbial green light to invade. What the green light metaphor obscures is just how decisive Ford's authorization was, and how his complicity with Indonesia's crimes continued throughout his brief White House occupancy....
http://www.counterpunch.org/nevins01062007.html-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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How many americans understand that our "christian" crusaders, with the help of the ZionCons helped murder over 300,000 christians in central america (and made another 1 million refugees).
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Testament of the Death Squads
Good Christ, Bad Christ
.... Well before neocons teamed up with the Religious Right to fight radical Islam in what the former believes is WW IV and the latter prays is Armageddon, they honed their fighting skills against another “political religion:” Liberation Theology, Latin America’s Christian socialism which fought against US-backed military juntas and sought to achieve social justice through a redistribution of wealth. Two decades before Gibson’s bloodied and tortured body of Christ became a symbol of a united New Right, the diverse strains of America’s conservative movement came together over the bloodied and tortured bodies of Central Americans. ...
... right-wing Christians Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, Phyllis Schlafly and Oliver North, along with evangelical capitalists such as Amway founder Richard DeVos...
...Pat Robertson used his Christian Broadcasting Network to raise money for Efraín Ríos Montt, the evangelical Christian who presided over the Guatemala’s 1982 genocide, which killed over a hundred thousand Mayan Indians....
... they deepened their ties with the international Right, with retired military and black ops personal, mercenaries, arms merchants, right-wing public relations experts, ex-agents of the Iranian Shah’s secret policy, international drug traffickers...
... the kind of moralism that many key fundamentalists used to justify the violence visited on Central America in the 1980s easily led to the kind of righteousness that today legitimates cluster bombing of civilians as an option of first resort. ...
... Over the next ten years, as a direct result of US policy, more than three hundred thousand Central Americans, many of them devout Christians, would be killed and tortured, and over a million driven into exile. In a way, the New Right’s crusade in Central America was a preview, and is today on world tour in Boykin’s Abu Ghraib and the killing fields of Iraq and now Lebanon. ...
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm not complaining about anything.
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The thesis was that Muslims caused Christians' action.
So please explain how Western Christians sacking their ALLY's capital was the fault of Muslims.
And "permanently occupied" - History Lesson, Cons - The Ottoman Empire is GONE. Remember when it was the "Sick Man of Europe" which the Western powers dismembered after World War I?
And another question - how exactly did the Byzantines come to be there if their ancestors had not CONQUERED the region. I mean you can't have a Easter Roman Empire without IMPERIALISM, no?
It's always someone else did it too so our team has no culpability in the Con Culture of Lies and Incompetence.-
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually, my point was that complaining about the Crusades from the Muslim point of view was invalid since they themselves set into motion the cycle of events leading to the Crusades, through their own military aggression. There's no reason to complain about the cycles of history since each side has invaded and been invaded. The events of the Fourth Crusade are a sidebar issue you're trying to use to derail the discussion. My personal opinion is that the Ottoman Empire would have been helpful today since it was the last power able to stabilize the region.
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It's always the Conservative Christians fault in the Libtard Culture of Lies, Treason, Incompetence, Pork, ***********, Pedophilia, and Fascisim.-
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 3 months ago
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So what your saying is that military aggression breed resentment.
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I think I'll agree with that.
Remember that the next time you try to tell us that they hate us for our "freedom", Cons, when it is us who has troops in their backyard.
It always comes back to bite you on the butt in the Con Culture of Lies and Incompetence.-
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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Not my point at all but you weren't interested in reading it anyhow.
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Treason always comes back to bite Libtraitors where they think in the Libtard Culture of Treason, Lies, Demagogary, Incompetence, Appeasement, Fascism, and Moral Depravity. -
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Keep in mind that Fascism and Nazism are on the left. They were socialist forms of government. So embrace your far left part of the spectrum. The Nazi party is all yours. Unfortunately we are stuck with the KKK. The problem is hate groups are hate groups no matter which side they are on. The other problem is that liberals always try to paint conservatives with the same brush. That was Hitlers big lie concept of blaming the Jews for everything. So you are following in the footsteps of one of the big anti Christian liberals of all time. Hitler. So keep painting with your liberal hate brush. You are being a good follower doing that.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually, the Crusades were a response to the Islamic invasion of the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Empire's request for help from the Pope. They brought it on themselves. For any Christian atrocity, I can name an Islamic atrocity:
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The sack of Constantinople and the systematic rape and enslavement of its young girls and boys.
The ethnic cleansing of Serbian Christins that is occuring in Kosovo as we speak, with over 200 churches having been burned.
The Islamic invasion of Spain and attempted invasion of France
The Islamic invasion of the Balkans which is the only reason that there are Bosnian Muslims today
Adolf Hitler was no Christian, actually the Nazis wanted to impose a revival of Tuetonic paganism
Muslim kill each other all the time
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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dropkick -
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I actualy agree with the main point of your post - that Muslims also kill each other and commit atrocities.
However, you missed the main point of MY post. I was pointing out to gulfview the ridiculousness of his post about not voting for an individual simply BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM.
That is a true prejudiced point of view.
And please do not lecture me about reading both sides of history. I was not born in this country so I know all about 3rd world countries and the violence around the world. That you know about atrocities worldwide is a testament of your keeping up w/ world events. However, too many of your compatriots - white, smug, ethnocentric, jingoistic, ignorant caucasians - know nothing about the world and still look down on the rest of the world as the"white man's burden" or as heathen waiting for the message of Christ.
I pos'd your post because it is correct and because it shows your awareness of the world.-
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DropkickaLib1 year, 3 months ago
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I went back and pos'd your first post since you were open minded and responded with reason. However, I don't think that it's fair to use a phrase like "white, smug, ethnocentric, jingoistic, ignorant caucasians" because that comment also appeals to stereotypical ways of categorizing people. There are plenty of non-anglos who have prejudiced views of other peoples.
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traveler20001 year, 3 months ago
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Absolutely:
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Both sides, during the middle ages, AND in recent history have commit atrocities (and still are).
The Christian West has attacked the Muslim, and so did the Muslim to the Christain West.
The Muslim kill(ed) each other, and so did/do the Christians.
Which brings us back to an eternal and recurring fact:
So much killing "in the name of God"........
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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endo - You are such an idiot. You haven't been following the sequential threads of dropkick and myself. We were coming together in a roundabout way to say that evil deeds, atrocities can be and have been done by peoples of all colors and creeds. I wanted him to see the non-Christian, non-anglo point of view. He wanted me to see the White, Christian, western point of view.
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Everything on his list and everything on my list were accurate and factual. I felt no hate on his post and I hope he felt no hate on my posts.
Please, just go away.
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Georgia501 year, 3 months ago
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sino,
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The inquisition was about--and tested for--fidelity to the Pope, first and foremost. That's why Christians who were "Jesus first" were also tortured in the inquisition.
Do try and keep up. And Hitler--Christian?
Uh huh. Sure. You betcha.-
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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OK everybody, listen up Hitler was raised a Catholic and once thought of becoming a priest. So yes he was a Christian.
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Here's an excerpt from Mein Kampf - I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting the work of the Lord.
Excerpt from a speech -
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people...
To summarize, the label of Christian, Jew, or Muslim etc is not what determines the quality of the man. All humans have a label. All humans are capable of doing good or evil. So the label is unimportant. You have to look at the person's actions to determine the value of the man.
Do NOT be frightened or put off or offended that I pointed out Hitler was a Christian. I am not attacking Christianity. I myself am a devout Catholic. Hitler was a Christian who committed un-Christlike acts. Look to his actions to determine his human value.
By the same token, do not decide all Muslims are evil by the label. Look to the actions of the individual-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Just like Obama turning his back on the Muslim faith Hitler turned his back on the Christian faith. That has been documented many places. He held meeting with the party elite where they discussed those things. He was into several things non Christian. He was into mysticism and the concept of the Aryan super race of the Teutonic pagan beliefs. This made him a NON Christian.
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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Endo - You again show your ignorance and revisionism. Hitler was a true believer in a distorted, cruel version of Christianity and used his own interpretation of Catholic doctrine to justify his persecution of Jews.
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I am not at all well versed in Nazi history, but just googling Adolf Hitler and Christianity opens up numerous references to speeches and Mein Kampf excerpts about Hitler's deep belief in Christianity.
Please note. The fact that Hitler was a Christian does not mean that he represents or believes in an accurate, theologically correct version of Christianity.
He may have dabbled in all the other things you say, but he was a Christian.
But do not be so defensive. I am a Catholic like Hitler was. I am not attacking Christianity or Catholicism. The series of posts above (which you obviously do not quite understand) was meant to bring out the point that peoples of ALL religions are capable of and have been known to murder, perform atrocities in the name of their religions.
The fault lies not with the religion, but with the human that perverts his religion.
Lastly, Obama was never a Muslim. His father left the famly when Barack was 2 yrs old. His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, moved the family to Indonesia where the first 2 years of Barack's schooling was in a CATHOLIC mission school. Then he went to public school. At 10, he was sent to his WHITE, CHRISTIAN grandparents. He enrolled in the Punahou School, which is NONSECTARIAN.
BARACK WAS NEVER MUSLIM.
Your persisting in telling unfounded lies is exactly what the swiftboaters did. You are just interested in disseminating misinformation just to win votes. You have sold your soul to the devil just to get McCain elected. You are a disgusting human being.
Lastly, even if Barack was a Muslim and converted to Christianity, is that not a victory for Christianity? Why do you look upon the conversion of a non-Christian to Christianity as an evil thing. Although it does not apply to Obama, I would feel quite happy at a conversion. You should too. Would you not want more Muslim extremists turning their backs on Islam? Or would you prefer more Christians convert to Islam?
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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Mea - I will vote for Obama because he will raise taxes on the rich 1.2% of income earners and increase tax credits for the middle class and decrease taxes on the lower class.
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He will seek ALL avenues of negotiations and redress before resorting to military force. This is a much more restrained and intelligent apporoach to the problems of the world instead of the stridently, arrogantly militaristic mentality that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and now McCain and Palin possess.
Obama will pursue a much broader and comprehensive energy policy that will seek alternative energy sources more actively than simply drill, drill, drill that McCain and Palin have talked about. That will drop the price of oil permanently and make us independent of petroleum that comes from countries that hate us.
Obama will rebuild our alliances around the world and seek more peaceful solutions to our problems with China, North Korea, and Iran. Bush finally has realized the futility of continued friction with all these countries. He even went to the Olympic games in Beijing and thoroughly enjoyed himself.
Obama will re-unite our fractured, polarized country and again make it a true UNITED States. Both McCain's and Palin's speeches continued the polarizing attacks that Bush and Cheney have instilled into the political arena these last 8 years.
Obama will instill true change in the ways of Congress. McCain talks about change and is trying to paint himself as an outsider to Washington politics Well, he has been part of the problem for 27 years. He voted with Bush on 95% of his votes. He has swallowed whole Bush's attitude about the 100-year Iraq War, illegal immigration, terrporism. McCain will bring NO CHANGE.-
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MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago
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My biggest questions however are HOW and WHAT.
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How will Obama be able to "increase tax credits" and "decrease taxes?" Yet still fund all of his "nanny state" ideas. How is he going to pay for his not quite universal health care? How is he going to balance the budget? He has even admitted that he would not be able to get rid of Bush tax cuts because it would be bad for the economy. So How can he do it?
How and What avenues of negotiations will he use before resorting to military force, and at what point do the negotiations end? How many chances will he give before he decides that military force is the only avenue? He has even stated that there comes a time when you do have to fight.
How will Obama seek alternative energy sources, and what will he do about the energy crisis NOW. How will Obama seek alternative energy when he has said that Nuclear is not an option. What is he going to use to pay for these initiatives, when he is going to cut taxes.
How will Obama rebuild our alliances around the world? Obama even said that he would NOT go to China during the Olympics...so what is his plan?
How will Obama re-unite our fractured, polarized country when he can't even re-unite his own party? What is he doing or will do to help institute change.
What has Obama done that was bipartisan, against dem positionings, or seemingly unpopular, even if they were what is best for the country?
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"I will vote for Obama because he will raise taxes on the rich 1.2% of income earners and increase tax credits for the middle class and decrease taxes on the lower class."
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Wrong His tax plan it to raise taxes on the top 20%. Taxing the rich ever since Kennedy lowered it on the rich has had the reverse effect on the tax revenue. Lowering those taxes increases tax revenue. Raising those taxes lowers the tax revenue. Liberal never think about how this makes the wealthy protect their money. If they can't make enough return on their money to pay for those taxes they put it where it can't be taxed.
Taxing companies only taxes the customers of that company as a hidden tax. Companies put the tax in the expense column and then strive to make their fair 10% profit. That is why the Democrats love to tax companies. The tax gets sent down the stream for everybody to pay and they look like they are punishing those greedy companies that everybody has stock in their 401K's. Taxing the oil companies means higher prices at the pump. Think about that one.
Again the big lie about Bush not trying all other means of resolving the problem. The UN was involved along with many other nations working with it and us diplomatically. But then the big lie takes over of Bush lied. Garbage.
All those other energy sources have been under research since Carter. So what new ones will Obama try to create. There are only a limited number of ways to create energy. Scientist are currently looking into all of them. But Obama will magically create new ones to look into.
Again the lie about how fractured our position in the rest of the world. Liberals want to be loved. Guess what. It will never happen. We are respected and sometimes feared. If Obama is elected the terrorists will rejoice and bin Laden will crow about the paper tiger we will become.
Obama uniting the country. Where and how will he do that. That is something he has NEVER taken action on. To the contrary he voted to keep the corrupt Chicago machine in power when a bi partisan group tried to go against it.
"Obama will instill true change in the ways of Congress."
His record is one of NEVER reaching across the isle like McCain has done to the disgust of Republican sometimes. He in all of his career has never proposed any legislation. He has voted present a majority of time in the legislature. When present in the Senate he did not vote times when he was there. How is this man with this record going to change the way that congress is run.-
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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endo - a true blowhard.
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Two thirds of all US companies and 68% of foreign companies doing business here PAY NO TAXES. Not one single penny. The aggregate gross income of all thse companies reaches ino the trillions.
The main goal of corporations is profit. So even when they are rolling in profit, they still send jobs overseas, because then they can make even MORE profit.
For individuals in the top 1.2% of income, the tax cuts given to them simply ends up being re-invested into their portfolios. They can only purchase so many Rolls-Royces and yachts. There is NO trickle down effect.
Tax cuts given to the middle class and the poor have a greater stimulating effect on the economy. These classes historically have less or even non-existent savings or investment portfolios. Any discretionary moneys they have ends up in paying bills, buying groceries, school clothes etc. All these activities stimulate the economy, factories, etc much more than giving more money to the tiny fraction of rich at the top.
Liberals like me love to tax companies, because many of them have NEVER BEEN TAXED.
On energy, of course everything I mentioned has been looked at - That's how I know about them. The point is to find new and more efficient engines to make the use of these fuels profitable. Also New fuels may be discovered. New methods of burning garbage. New plants to discover that may produce more useful calories.
There ARE new horizons, new challenges, new engines etc to discover and explore. Just saying that we already know so many different things does not mean they are economically viable or the that they are the best already available and nothing more is out there.
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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I split my note because I twice wrote long post to answer Mea and my computer said my time had expired and kicked me out of Propeller.
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Anyway, controlling gas prices is easy. Pass legislation to tax windfall profits and institute price controls simultaneously. It will drive them crazy and they will lobby really hard against it. But it has to be done.
As far as our international standing, the US is now looked on as a loud-mouthed, bullying braggart. Many countries now trust China more as a trading partner and political ally than the US. McCain was complaining that Obama was being treated like a rock star or the new president of the US. Think about it - WHY?? Because all the world leaders are sick and tired of Bush, the Republicans, the Iraq War, the bellicosity, the heavy handed approach that Bush and Cheney (remember him?) love.
At the start of his administration, Bush specifically stated that China had to be treated in a confrontational manner. Now he realizes the failure of such a policy. He actually went to the Beijing Olympics to signal his support of China, in spite of its abuses in Tibet.
Madeline Albright was developing a rapprochement w/ Iran. Strong enough that they were willing to dismantle their nuclear industry in return for trade and political favors. Clinton was unable to finish the negotiations because of the impeachment. The task was passed on to Bush. Bush despised Clinton so much that completely ignored the opening. Iran went further and helped us track down Osama bin Laden. Bush rewarded them by labeling them as one of the axis of evil. Now Iran is pursuing its own interests and no longer listens to any of our pleas to stop nuclear production. TOO BAD!!
All the moderate Muslims that originally rejected radicalism have slowly drifted into support of radicalism because they are disgusted w/ Bush and the Republicans. If Obama is elected, all the moderates will become back to supporting the US. When that support dries up, then we will see a real and permanent drop in terrorism.
As far as politics goes, I agree that the old McCain was more of an independent. But in order to win the nomination, he has been forced to accept the far right and neoconservatives. He now embraces the 100-year war in Iraq. He has voted w/ Bush 95% of the time.
Remember the radical right is controlled by people like Rove, Cheney, Hastert, DeLay (yes he's still around and is still treated like royalty). They have been extremely abrasive and polarizing and their take-no-prisoner approach has been one of the prime reasons for the polarization and division that exist now. McCain has now fallen under their influence. He proved it by selecting Sarah Palin who is just as narrow minded and abrasive and polarizing.-
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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As far as corruption, what you said is an outright lie. When Obama was a freshman state senator in Illinois, the first problem he decided to tackle was the Illinois campaign laws. He was not able to get everything he wanted; but because of his bipartisan approach, he was able to get new rules barring use of campaign funds for personal expenses, tougher disclosure laws, and banning of many types of gifts from lobbyists. Republican senator Kirk Dillard praised Obama and got scolded by the Illinois GOP.
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Obama has even worked w/ McCain on ethics legislation. Cindy McCain's half sister is voting for Obama. Rudy Giuliani's children are voting for Obama. Oregon Republican sen Gordon Smith actually used Obama's seeming approval in a campaign ad to win votes.
So let me repeat, endoscopy. You are a liar on Obama's record. Shame on you. STOP LYING.
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Tangent0011 year, 3 months ago
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"When has McCain been less than intelligent, knowledgable, full of integrity, and shown a respect for the Constitution?"
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Let's see: Confusing Sunni and Shia FIVE TIMES. Forgetting Iraq and Afghanistan don't share a border. Flip-flopping on just about every issue. Being for torture. The Keating Five. Marital infidelity. Etc.-
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Keep bringing up the Keating 5 please. I get to tell the story every time. There were 5 senators. 1 Republican and 4 democrats. Senators John McCain and John Glen were found to have done nothing wrong ethically. The other three Democrats were found guilty of impeding the investigation into the problem and they were censured. They served out their term and then faded into oblivion.
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Three bad DEMOCRAT Senators. What a wonderful story to bring up about McCain. Do it more often. I like slamming Democrats when they deserve it.
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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When he became involved w/ Charles Keating for one. Cindy McCain also had some business w/ Keating and made some money. When Keating's S went bankrupt, it cost $3.5 BILLION IN TAX MONEY to settle the debts. McCain has openly admitted this was a mistake.
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This from a senator who is supposed to be smart, experienced, and ethical.
Another stupid move was embracing Bush and the 100-year Iraq War. The war has already cost over 500 billion and raised the national debt to 10 trillion. It will take centuries or, at least, several generations to pay down that debt
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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'Candidates rarely do it themselves. They let their attack dogs, anonymous emailers and ignorant bloggers do the dirty work.'
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Yeah I know look at the threads on this site for the last week that filled most of the front page. That is somethng we can agree on, except you were only talking about ONE side as usual.-
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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sorry gonna call you on that one...
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libs just catching up.....
when Alpha was here the front page was DOMINATED by anti-Obama stories.....
it's ONLY A MATTER of time until she reincarnates herself....
that having been said... and I do not know what caused the ban.. BUT I MISS HER... her threads were ALWAYS interesting to say the least..-
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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not really and you know since she was BANNED .. there's no way to tell..
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and whether or not AG herself submitted the story.. one of her sock puppets did....
she's why Propeller changed the rules about 1 submission making the front page..
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, there is some mudslinging there too, and there was plenty during the primaries. However, as an outsider, I must say that mudslinging, rumor mongering, fear mongering, war mongering, and name-calling seems to be a specialty of the right. They do it with gusto. The left (which I consider the middle because there are very few real left-winger on Propeller) does it but only halfheartedly, and they post a larger number of really well reasoned comments.
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I do try to avoid threads about rumors, and if I do participate, I like to stick to the facts even there. Well, aside from the occasional sarcastic comment, but I don't think you'll find much name-calling or smearing in my comments. I usually even withhold positive votes for comments with which I agree but are written in an offensive manner, and the surest way to earn a rare negative from me is by being really obnoxious.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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It was no slip up and it was no admission if you are referring to the the video of this thread. It makes no difference whether one says:
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He never referred to me as a Muslim
He never called me a Muslim
He never attacked me for my Muslim faith
He never said I had Muslim faith, etc.
All of this simply means that McCain didn't carry out the attacks personally. If you really want to misunderstand something, it's usually possible.-
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MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago
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But do you really see no difference between sentences 1,2,4 & sentence 3. Read them again. I completely see a difference. Now had he added the word, "supposed" before Muslim, then it would have made more sense...I guess we will be hearing yet another of Obama's famous, I didn't mean that, I should have said, I meant to say moments on this one!
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Some are easier to misunderstand than others. His choice of words were not the most fortunate, but in the context of the interview, even in the context of those few sentences, it was crystal clear to me that he meant that John McCain had never called him a Muslim.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well, here is one of our resident israel-firsters again trying to play the "muslim" card to cover up zionist crimes against humanity and treason by israel-firsters in our government.
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Israel's Purging of Palestinian Christians
... Certainly, the continuing fall in the number of Christians in the Holy Land concerns Israel's leadership almost as keenly as the patriarchs and bishops who visit Bethlehem at Christmas – but for quite the opposite reason. Israel is happy to see Christians leave, at least of the indigenous Palestinian variety.
(More welcome are the crazed fundamentalist Christian Zionists from the United States who have been arriving to help engineer the departure of Palestinians, Muslims and Christians alike, in the belief that, once the Jews have dominion over the whole of the Holy Land, Armageddon and the "End Times" will draw closer.)
... There is only one problem in selling this image to the West: the minority of Christian Palestinians who have happily lived under Muslim rule in the Holy Land for centuries. Today, in a way quite infuriating to Israel, these Christians confuse the picture by continuing to take a leading role in defining Palestinian nationalism and resistance to Israel's occupation. They prefer to side with the Muslim "fanatics" than with Israel, the Middle East's only outpost of Judeo-Christian "civilization."
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... Christians have been at the core of the wider secular Palestinian national movement, helping to define its struggle. They range from exiled professors such as the late Edward Said to human rights activists in the occupied territories such as Raja Shehadeh. The founders of the most militant wings of the national movement, the Democratic and Popular Fronts for the Liberation of Palestine, were Nayif Hawatmeh and George Habash, both Christians.
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The most notorious Palestinian nationalist politician inside Israel is Azmi Bishara, yet another Christian, who has been put on trial and is regularly abused by his colleagues in the Knesset.
This intimate involvement of Palestinian Christians in the Palestinian national struggle is one of the reasons why Israel has been so keen to find ways to encourage their departure – and then blame it on intimidation by, and violence from, Muslims....
http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=10297
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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No, I think you are wrong. All the neocons seem to believe that he is a radical Christian Muslim pinko commie Marxist socialist atheist. I may have forgotten a few of the "isms," but I'm sure some of them will come forward to fill in the gaps.
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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Tonja - Oh puhlleeeze! Listen to it again.
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Although his syntax or phraseology was poor, he corrected himself and clearly meant the ISSUE of the allegations of his Muslim faith.
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill!!
Haven't you neocons heard about Rev Jeremiah Wright and the controversy of Obama being in his church for 20 years? Obama had to dissociate himself from the over-the-top Wright.
So half of the neocons believe he still belongs to Wright's church and his militant christianity. The other half believes he is Muslim.
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dissent1 year, 3 months ago
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all that stuff is just smoke and mirrors covering up what they really want to say. the bottom line for them is he's not a white man with a white man's name. if mccain wins it won't be because america wants mccain, it's because america doesn't want a black man in the white house. the worst kind of racism is the kind that pretends it isn't
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MeaJen301 year, 3 months ago
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Oh geez, here we go again...get Obama and/or his supporters backed into a corner and they come out swinging the race card...please, it's tired, and been used too much...just deal with the issues, and you shouldn't have to use the race card...period!
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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naw I was just trying to be funny and failing as usual. I even crack me up only 59.4% of the time
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I also thought I could get a dig in there about misreading and mishearing a thing, which is what this thread is based on, while making a joke. two birds
I'm either long on subtlety, an oddball, or both
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MouseGoddess1 year, 3 months ago
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There are several sects of Muslims, just like there are several sects of Christians. Baptists don't agree with what Methodists teach, Nazarenes don't agree with Lutherans, and everybody disagrees with Catholics! Even if he were a Muslim, it doesn't mean he's a terrorist. Being a Muslim in and of itself doesn't make a person bad. Different, maybe. But if there are extensive background checks in order to work in a bank, what do you think they do if you want to be President? This is just nit-picking! What if he were an Atheist? Nobody would like that, either. What about real issues, like his stand on the economy? We're sinking and we need someone who can figure out what to do about it. Is it Obama? I don't know............
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joey-evans1 year, 3 months ago
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"....and everybody disagrees with Catholics!"
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I don't know why? Catholics ARE the DIRECT followers of Jesus. Roman Catholics are the Catholics of The Bible. All the other factions are false. That is in the Bible,
Just sayin'
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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A perfect society is where we ALL get along and live peacefully among each other. Politics is the method by which we try to get to that point. When certain people inject religion into the process (My God is true and yours is false) it just brings us down to the primeval level we are at now. I think IF there is other intelligent life in the universe, surely they must have monitored our behavior and said ....."There nothing here to see folks, keep moving".
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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I feel hes always been a muslim look at his past and his name, his wifes comments. they are doing their best to get in and will do or say anything. get real. I know blacks want a black pres but at what cost ??? I am not prejudice just dont want anouther 911 from the white house because of the stupidity of some who feel they are being liberal. take notice. listen and use your brains.this man has no experience and is full of talk. hes against the white race. if we want that then go for it.
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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No there are blacks and whites and others we are not the same in color OR beliefs and never will be one race unless the world explodes and melts us together. thats a myth that is ridiculous to even try and believe.. yes we are human but different and each race has different backgrounds and beliefs and religions and food preferences, sorry to burst your optimistic bubble, some of these get along and others dont and thats ok as long as we dont go around killing innocent people..
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sinophil491 year, 3 months ago
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gypsycat - "I know blacks want a black pres but at what cost??? I am not prejudice (sic)"; "hes against the white race."
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REALLY??? Your post is the epitome of prejudice, misinformation, and twisted logic.
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dissent1 year, 3 months ago
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hmmmm..... maybe. not knowing is ignorance, pretending is insidious, back-biting, cowardly deception.
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i see this every time racists blow off anyone pointing out their racism by saying that's playing the "race card". it's as effective as a broom and a carpet to sweep it all under
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dissent1 year, 3 months ago
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wow...... you are seriously creepy. you are just the kind of person i was talking about when i said that if mccain wins it will only be because there's too many like you. people who only want a white man with a white man's name in the white house
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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hmmm tell that to my black friends, did I say a white woman or is your head so far up your arse u only see black? I dont care if hes purple hes an idiot full of nothing but talk and became a christian so to speak to help his political career. I lost friends in 9-11 and refuse to dignify any muslim.
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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FYI I wouldnt vote for McCain and if I like the man and think he or she or it is a good thing for America would vote for them its not his color its his beliefs. it has little if nothing to do with race to me. Its the beliefs and misrepresentation hes managed to get away with thru out his campaign thats my opinion. and I am not at all creepy. I am an American stating my opinion.
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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FYI I wouldnt vote for McCain and if I like the man and think he or she or it is a good thing for America would vote for them its not his color its his beliefs. it has little if nothing to do with race to me. Its the beliefs and misrepresentation hes managed to get away with thru out his campaign thats my opinion. and I am not at all creepy. I am an American stating my opinion.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Frankly, as a 14th generation American, I prefer someone who believes in the principles of american democracy as opposed to a "theocracy wacko".
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Sarah Palin used AK tax dollars to fund dominionist churches
Over the past few days, I've done reporting on Sarah Palin's extensive dominionist connections--including the attempt to run her as a "stealth" dominionist candidate and her connections to some scary dominionist groups including not just "Joel's Army" folks but a far-right Christian Reconstructionist political party linked to domestic terrorism.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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your welcome to your opinion and to your vote
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but if you air your opinion publicly, you're gonna get feedback one way or the other
here's what you said:
'because of the stupidity of some who feel they are being liberal'
'use your brains.'
'blacks want a black pres but at what cost ?'
you start out insulting people-not good way to get your foot in the door as far as expressing yourself, in my experience
I think you should let blacks speak for themselves-even if you yourself are black, that does not give you leeway to speak for other people. I'm white, and I never recall saying 'whites want this or that'
how the heck do I know what other people want?
It also sort of hamstrings the whole 'one man, one voice, one vote' democracy thingamajig
I understand we let blacks and women vote nowadays along with everybody else-will find out what the voters want soon enough. Let them speak for themselves
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reviewer1 year, 3 months ago
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The out of context sound bytes get old, but so does a front page of stories that mostly consist of bashing Palin or McCain. There are enough issues of concern about Obama (and McCain as to policy, for that matter) without making too much out of misspeak. It's starting to look like the headlines in Reddit this weekend.
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Incidentally, it is okay to not support Obama, it is okay to be Republican or Independent and it is okay to question patriotism -- thinking people of good concscience can disagree. (I think -- makes one wonder these days when any word can and will be misconstrued for political gain)
Yet, the petty attacks from either supporters towards each other do not help their respective candidate's image, let alone their own.
Otherwise, despite what some social media sites have you believe. I just hope we start getting to substance soon ....there is not much time in the election cycle left. I am missing the old Propeller, there was more variety and meaningful comments.
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reviewer1 year, 3 months ago
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Religion -- or lack of -- it affects your global world view...be it Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Buddah ....or Atheist -- at least most will admit to it.
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To relegate importance means to consider how religion would impact one's executive decisions rather than as a means to prejudice.
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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And what if he were a Muslim? My understanding is that in America, one's religion is--or should be--a private matter that's irrelevant to one's ability to do whatever job one is called upon to perform.
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The underlying prejudice here is no less revolting than if the story asked, "Obama Admits He is a Secret Jew." Or Catholic. Or.....-
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There are substantial followers of the right that no longer believe in that principle of American democracy. They are loud and shrill in their attacks on everything that does not conform to their sect. Fortunately more ande more American christians are speaking out against them.
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Christian PAC boosts Obama in effort to broaden issues
The Matthew 25 Network is a group of Evangelical, Catholic, Protestant, and Pentecostal Christians which are sponsoring radio, television and print advertisements using religious appeals to encourage citizens to vote for Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''The underlying prejudice here is no less revolting than if the story asked, "Obama Admits He is a Secret Jew." Or Catholic. Or....''
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1000% right
and its 1000% unAmerican to even be discussing religion in a negative context and slant like this.
Didn't our forefathers come here to escape religious intolerance and bigotry supposedly?
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let's face it-we all know why many will flinch at that 'same as a Secret Jew or Christian comment
it's not the same to them
muslims are bad
it's as schoolyard simple as that to many
prejudice, pure and simple
some muslims did some bad stuff, so all muslims are bad, and we can't take the chance on electing a secret muslim, because he'll be bad too
I know I sound like a 5 year old BTW
sad, isn't it?
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REX1 year, 3 months ago
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Hello everyone.
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It does not matter to me if he is an Muslim
What I feel about him that he is a kind as well as intelligent man.
The whole country is expecting great things from him.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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I thought I'd better come in and read this before it's 'removed' from the site like yet another 2 articles that were against Obama from the Dail Kos no less. Funny, I can't remember any anti McCain or Palin threads removed, maybe Donie was on to somethng?
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That being said, I've already stated that I don't think he is one nor do I fear him more or less if he is. however, if he is, why would he hide that fact in a country that have freedom to be Muslim?
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gulfview7771 year, 3 months ago
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jordon- NO I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MUSLIM OR ANYONE WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE RESONSIBLE IN THE NAME OF "ALLAH" FOR TAKING DOW WORLD TRADE CENTERS AND THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT GO TO WORK AND MAKE A LIVING sino- you too are out of it. NO MUSLIMS- by the way Hitler was athiest you idiot
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djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
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"jordon- NO I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A MUSLIM OR ANYONE WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE RESONSIBLE IN THE NAME OF "ALLAH" FOR TAKING DOW WORLD TRADE CENTERS AND THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING...."
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buckncindykill1 year, 3 months ago
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In Indiana, Obama tries to explain what he has learned since being president. He does correct himself, but this is not the first time we've experienced this kind of mix-up with Obama or his campaign. Remember the presidential seal? Or how about when he made his speech in Berlin and his advisors tried to say that is wasn't a political speech because, "When the president of the United States goes and gives a speech, it is not a political speech or a political rally." A reporter had to remind him that he wasn't the President.
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He sure gets ahead of himself; maybe he thought he was muslim at one time but now subscribes to christianity after being around Wright all these years. Either way, too many gaffes = I shouldn't have to run for this office, I deserve it already.
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buckncindykill1 year, 3 months ago
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In this interview with Stephanopoulos, Obama slips and mentions "my Muslim faith." Now you watch this video for yourself. Obama tells George "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith ..." George interrupts to say "Your Christian faith." Obama responds with "My Christian faith ... well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim."
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Draw your own conclusions. I don't believe he's a muslim ... but I do wonder what Stephanopoulos is doing correcting him.-
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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He corrected him because he either likes him or he knew this kind of thread would hit the waves or maybe, like most humans, we sometimes help others when they have a slip of tongue.
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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Look. If you're a conservative, you are used to this. When liberals screw up on the screen, we typically notice how easy and lightly the interviewers question them. When conservatives make a screw up, or even attacks a liberal position, the interviewer will actually take the liberal defense position.
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We always see this. This is nothing new.
I mean, after all, Stephanopoulos was part of the Clinton administration. Would it be surprise anyone if he announced he was voting for Obama?
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Tcaros1 year, 3 months ago
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Are you for real?
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The media position is really quite the opposite. The media has tried to "lift up" the sagging McCain campaign.
The corporations and owners support the Republican agenda which is not going to help average Americans.
They played a trick with Palin. Nobody attacked Palin or it was really very lightly. The Republicans "screamed bloody murder" when no one was even giving a hoot about Palin. They used this "falsehood" to put her in the spotlight in a defensive position so she could attack Obama.
Obama needs to attack Bush policies and tie them around the neck of McCain. He should ignore Palin like she's a waitress at Chilis.
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gulfview7771 year, 3 months ago
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i do not care if the guy is hindu, jew, worships buddah or whatever these religions are not violent muslim if the man rapes a woman then says its her fault then he throws hot oil or tortures her, or how about all the dads who kill their daughters for "HONOR OF THE FAMILY" this is ********
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not2needy1 year, 3 months ago
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John McCain has no faith, sought out the endorsement of Hagee, only to have to denounce the man he sought out, which speaks volumes about his ability to pick people of real character. Obama is not a Muslim, that statement was nothing more than a gaffe, taken out of context, yet again!
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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I wonder when these Republican nit pickers will step up and apply the same perfection standard to their own candidates? Because let's get real here.....if $100 were added to the general budget to offset the deficit every time Bush or any of his cronies (including McCain) misspoke or forgot what city they were in or mistook Sunnis for Shias or a million other mistakes they've made over and over again, we'd not have any deficit at all by now. In fact, we might even have a surplus with so many gaffes or "Freudian slips" the republicans have made in the past decade. Yet there is nary a word from you people.
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But you let Obama make ONE gaffe, and all of the sudden you have articles and comments up the wazoo about it. I truly pity you folks who have nothing better to do than troll videos and interviews looking for slips of the tongue by your opponent when you so blindly overlook the many examples of your own doing far, far worse. You all are more predictable than Pavlov's dogs in how quickly you slobber over every ringing bell, no matter how ridiculous or trivial. Its truly beyond pathetic... -
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't find it difficult to believe that some people would not be able to understand what Senator Obama said. These are the same people that can't understand that Michelle Obama is proud of her country while being really proud of the fact that her country seemed to be understanding that we need change in Washington.
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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Personally, I could care less on whether Obama is a Muslim or not. The fact is, he was having an extreme amount of difficulty in the interview. Gaffes happen, who cares.
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In the debates, Obama always agreed with the people who answered before him.
In SaddleBack, he was having difficulty articulating a position.
In interviews, he seems very inarticulate towards answering questions.
His only advantage is his ability to give speeches.
I feel McCain is going to tear his heart out in the next debate. It surprises me that a group of people who harassed Bush for his speaking ability are rallying behind Obama. He appears stupid on TV.-
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama is a man who thinks before he answers a question, instead of simply shooting off his mouth and then thinking about it later. The only people who seem to think he sounds "stupid" on television are those who apparently don' t have the intellect to follow his points as he makes them. Like his answer to the abortion issue being "above his pay grade" as an example. Thinking people understood his comment that his opinion isn't an authority on that and really shouldn't be something people use as a political lever. His personal pro-life stance isn't going to dictate his governing decisions because its based in religion. And he, unlike the rabid right, understands the dynamics of our government and governing process to be separate from religion and religious issues. His only mistake is believing the American populous to be smart enough to follow his nuanced speech in question and answer sessions. Its not his fault though that American populous is more concerned about who they'd rather share a beer with than who would better run the country and fix the mess we're in because of the last "beer buddy" who was elected President.
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Perhaps what this campaign proves more than anything is the dire need to bring our educational system up to speed in this country so that just maybe the next generation might have the intelligence to keep up when it comes to very important issues of the day. I doubt it will happen, but one can always hope.-
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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I don't think you understand how an educated person debates, interviews, or otherwise answers a questions. It's not enough to have a diploma.
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When Obama speaks, he has a had time forming sentences. He drifts from topic to topic...and then back to the original topic.
Besides, just the fact that the topic of this thread is his gaffe...says you are wrong. He does not think before he speaks.-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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"I don't think you understand how an educated person debates.
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...just the fact that the topic of this thread is his gaffe...says you are wrong."
The shining crown of education upon your head; the purple mantle of enlightened thought about your shoulders, and then you dribble out that idiot proof.
The fact that a thread makes an accusation, does not prove the accusation.
Think before you speak
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''he seems very inarticulate''
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hell, then he's a shoe-in. the question may be, is he inarticulate enough to get elected?
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as for Obama's difficulty in expressing himself fluently, take a second and imagine if your every word, every pause, every syntactic nuance was not only under the most intense scrutiny in history [current apex of media development] but also knowing every connotation of every word is also being considered and plotted over [ie, 'typical']
and then imagine pouring your whole self into an endeavor knowing that if a gnat's eyelash is out of place in your speech it could damage or ruin that endeavor
how fluently do you think you could speak under those conditions? Where you don't even have to say the wrong thing, just mix a word up or forget one, and there will be outcry over it?
Obama is in a lose/lose as far as speaking-if he speaks freely and without examining every freakin word, he'll sound great to me and others, no doubt-pretty voice, good speaker-but he'll not be able to cover all those semantic angles used to dig at him. And if he examines every word before letting it out of his mouth as he apparently must to stop the spinmeisters-well, so much for talking pretty and smooth
Maybe he is being too careful, and figures the race is his to lose. Maybe he should consider his youth, let fly and let the chips fall where they may. He's young, he may get another shot if the vultures want to pick at the carcass of his words after they've killed them with dissection, pick them right down to the bare bones of sentence structure-
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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Your defense is minimal.
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I've seen multiple appearances by Obama. You, obviously, have not. He's a great speaker when he repeats memorized lines and uses a teleprompter. But when asked to articulate a position, he is empty.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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I thought you wanted to know why his speech is halting and full of pauses?
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Defense? I'm more an analyst than a defender. I like to think I'm a defender of logic and truth, and sometimes I even manage it. But I'm not a fan of Obama. I just do not hate him or even dislike him particularly, and thought to explain why a c*um laude Harvard grad's speech might not be filled with eloquence
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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I would agree with you except for the fact that the mainstream media has taken the attacks against McCain / Palin to the same level. I.E. - Cross in the dirt, Palin grandmother to own child, etc. This is no gaffe, it's obvious what he meant.
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The webmaster proves his ignorance by using degenerating where they obviously meant denigrating.
HO-HUM - just another day at Propeller where both sides use lies and obfuscation to try to sway votes that are, for the most part, unswayable. -
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Hhussk1 year, 3 months ago
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The whole news cycle last week was about whether Palin is a good enough mom. And you have the audacity to pretend the Democrats don't get a fair shake?
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You're obviously blinded. Obama has been a member of a Black liberalism Theology church...which is steeped in the roots of Black Supremacy, for 20 years. He only left the church this year. And you, with total ignorance, suggest that this is about trival racist and religious propaganda.
Shows how little you understand.
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lloydm651 year, 3 months ago
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We do have freedom of religion, we also have freedom, and want to keep it.To have a devout Muslim in the white house is tantamount to the Muslims in the Lebanon Government.Their numbers are growing. Soon Lebanon a once open society will be just another cesspool in the middle east.We don't need that here, and by the grace of the real living God we won't have it.You clowns wouldn't last a day in a Muslim country.I know most of you don't use it, but when they saw your head off they usually leave the body in one part of town,and the head in another.That's really rubbing it in.
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gamesh1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama's blood is Muslim. He goes to church I don't know from when, but be sure that he can not to stop muslim countries like Iran and Syria and thier hand like Hezbollah and Alghayedeh.Its mean terrorist and world headache will be doing thier ******* job.
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In other hand if he try to stop them agin bigger problems happen.Forget Obama and have chess think.-
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 3 months ago
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"Obama's blood is Muslim."
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LMAO! And I guess your blood is Christian?
My blood is white or black or...fill in the blank. How do people go about being of a religious blood instead of a racial blood? And how does your blood change if you change your religion? Just wondering. ;-)-
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GLee1 year, 3 months ago
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Simply put, Obama is NOT what this country needs. His change is to a socialist state at best. We cannot afford to put this man into any power position for the sake of change or anything else. Hillary blew it and now Obama is losing his grip. People are seeing his true shape of his 'plan'. Thank goodness!
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GOD BLESS AMERICA and NO, I'm not ashamed to say I love my country!!-
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 3 months ago
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Why would you be ashamed to say you love your country?
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On the other hand, why do you think we would be fooled into thinking you loved your country, just because you love to say so?
Those who wave the flag most, are seldom real patriots.
We can not afford to let any more chicken-hawk symbolists distract us while the country rusts away from neglect.
GOD BLESS AMERICA with people who think; not shout; act, instead of talk; work for their country's good, instead of feeding it flags;
Devil take the rest .
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ktpinnacle1 year, 3 months ago
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This is red meat for those who see the world in a lapel pin, a hand over a heart or a "funny" name.
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They are the same who selected our current leader based on his return to Christianity, those he couldn't stammer a complete sentence on the fly without remembering key phrases to guide him to his point.
I don't think that the Democrats really understand (yet) just how unsophisticated and just plain ignorant many Americans are. Is he a radical "liberal" christian or one of those scarry muslims? How can it make sense to have it both ways?
They will sacrifice their kids and grandkids economic future over a missed word to make it clear (such my "supposed" Muslim faith) or will conveniently leave out a key word in a sentence (such a "really" proud of my country) to demonize indivduals that have so much to offer this country.
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luckyleibe0571 year, 3 months ago
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What happend to:"In GOD we Trust"? some people have forgotten that,{alot actually} look at our country now. They took prayer out of school's,they took prayer's out of live's,they are now trying to take it out period, I'm sorry but I see the results from this now,and it's not good thats for sure{look around} look at our children,money has replaced "GOD" It's ashame,sad..wake up America... if ,it's not already to late...I'm voting for McClain & Palin , I will pray that God guides them with Good decisions for America, atleast there is a foundation with out that there is no strong building right? Look around is all i say.. ask for guidance in this election , we need it!! when i say "guidance "I don't mean from the news. this has almost became a black/white issue , also,some people don't even care what they stand for,the only change they want is color they don't even hear what Obama is saying,or Mccain . but I have to go with experience . Obama is promising too much .. typical politic's, and guess what? unless he's flippin the bill , this SOUNDS expensive ! and will be . just making it sound tooo easy . McCain and Palin ... more realistic PLUS backbone & experience nice combination,They both have alot to offer . I only hear alot of promises from Obama {typical politic's}
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Poulenc1 year, 3 months ago
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Of course there's only one thing worse than having the "wrong" religion: having no religion at all.
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I do believe that we'd elect a god-fearing dromedary as president before picking an atheist or agnostic.
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Maperkins1 year, 3 months ago
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Do you want a president whose brethren did this? Refresh your memories. http://www.september11news.com/nt Copy and paste.
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troops7141 year, 3 months ago
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In what world is the name "Barack Hussein Obama" NOT Muslim??? Come on people, he is not african-american, he and his wife know it, unfortunately the rest of the american people haven't figured it out. And hopefully we won't be electing the next MUSLIM President of the United States.
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RPAQ1 year, 3 months ago
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I find it so amusing that the Republicans are going this route - is that all they have. It's already been done. The hypocrisy that flows through that part continues to amaze me. As for reading from a prompter - we all know that Palin and McCain are both accomplished speakers and have never made a slip. What a crock!
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Karlyc1 year, 3 months ago
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Why does this subject provoke conversation now? Unfortunately, it is of the candidate's own making. He has a dilemma. He knows the American people are not ready for the first Muslim president, much less one who might have had Muslim ties. The reason is not as many mistakenly believe based on inherent religious bias, but based on the perceptions of irreconcilable cultural differences between the Judeo-Christain traditions and the Musilm traditions, also of course 9/11 where Muslim terrorists executed an attack on the United States in the name of their perception of religious calling, however warped that may have been.
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The candidate could have come clean at the start about his background. The facts are: his Dad is a Muslim. Nothing wrong with that, just a fact. In Muslim theology as in Christain theology, the child's religion is determined by the father's religion. Hence, Obama was born a Muslim. That is just a fact, which people seem to want to debate a lot. Now, sometime after he was born, the candidate became a Christian. It might have been a day later, or when he was an adult that he became a Christian. Exactly when does not really matter.
So why doesn't the candidate just clean this up? The reason is it is a no-win situation because it will involve coming clean about having been born a Muslim. And then it opens up all the questions of how true his Christian faith is held, and why he practiced that faith and chose to be converted in Reverend Wright's radical church. This means unfortunately for his followers, there always will be this cloud of doubt and uncertainty, since the answers only will lead to more questions. -
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Mutainia1 year, 3 months ago
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Just because the terrorists want him to win, thinking he's ONE of them and will allow them to carry out Jihad, DOESN'T mean, that Barrak H. Obama, is a Muslim.
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Just because he attended a church for 20 years that preaches like the Nation of Islam, calling
America the USofKKK and supporting Palestinians who shoot rockets and missiles willy nilly
into Israeli neighborhoods from terroritory, (GAZA), that Israel traded WITH the Palestinian
Muslims in the hopes of achieving peace, doesn't make, I repeat, DOESN'T make Barrak H.
Obama...a MUSLIM. Just because he said WHITE mens' greed keeps a world in need, has terrorist Bill Ayers as a friend who tried to blow up the Pentagon, and other things, just because he has Marxist/ Lenninist views of how to run our country, just because he flip-flops and wants to appease terrorists by sitting down and
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cause the return of an anCIENT 12 year old boy who disappeared down a well, so that this kid, the 12th Imam, along with Jesus, will open a can of Islamic Shiite whoop-ass on Christians and Jews... just because Obama wouldn't wear a FLAG pen and removed old glory from his jet as to possibly NOT OFFEND Muslims and those who hate America, doesn't...I repeat, for one final time, DOESN'T mean that Barrak H. Obama... is a Muslim. Now, please, people, get over it, LET this thing REST! -
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BaKer92521 year, 3 months ago
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This is HIS picture, the picture HE posted!
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arnehull1 year, 3 months ago
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Of course he is a Muslim. Remember his gaffe about the 57 states. Google 57 Islamic States and find out more. Also, google his relationship with his cousin, the communist Prime Minister of Kenya. They have a very close relationship. The mainstream media merely repeats Obama's press releases, they dont report, they dont investigate, they dont confirm his statements. His actions and friendships speak so loudly I cant hear his lies. As his Spiritual Mentor has stated, Obama's chickens are coming home to roost. He is a fraud.
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scotty57201 year, 3 months ago
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“Why has Barack Obama been lying for decades about the ‘marriage’ of his parents when he knew full well he was lying? There was no marriage. How can anyone vote for Obama for president when Obama is so cowardly he can’t tell the truth to the American people?” Obama is illegitimate and his parents were never married.
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scotty57201 year, 3 months ago
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“Why has Barack Obama been lying for decades about the ‘marriage’ of his parents when he knew full well he was lying? There was no marriage. How can anyone vote for Obama for president when Obama is so cowardly he can’t tell the truth to the American people?” Obama is illegitimate and his parents were never married.
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most_reasonable1 year, 3 months ago
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The TRUTH is not a litmus test for the right wing GOP, especially the religious right. Only Rowe vs Wade is important, like that Litmus test to "qualify" the placement of administrators into Iraq. No surprise that Iraq and everything else they touch is so screwed up.
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The march of the "faithful" past the dioramas, watch Jesus ride into town on a Brontosaurus. For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary.
They couldn't be happier with "screw the first amendment" peddler of the GOP.
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gypsycat20081 year, 3 months ago
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His white hating pastor, hmmm.... similar to muslim hatred maybe that was the problem what he was teaching I love how whites are called predjudice but a black can talk down whites and dont get into any problems saying the dreaded W word. I remind people I have black friends.
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msr1 year, 3 months ago
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he didnt ware a flag becouse he didnt want to offend hes running for president of the usa.makes a lot of sence dont it .muslim or jahovas would reject the flag an jehovahs do for a diffrent reason .if he was jahova it would make a little more sence .this whole election is a mess
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ABBOOTY1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama name is 666 his holy man said GOD Dame America his middle name is the name of the grandson of the top guy of Islam. He wants to chang the USA to what? please becareful voteing for this man not because of his color but who he may be. When he almost done his frist four years it will be Dec 21 2012 this real wake up soon ever one its almost time
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ABBOOTY1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama name is 666 his holy man said GOD Dame America his middle name is the name of the grandson of the top guy of Islam. He wants to chang the USA to what? please becareful voteing for this man not because of his color but who he may be. When he almost done his frist four years it will be Dec 21 2012 this real wake up soon ever one its almost time
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Voyageur081 year, 3 months ago
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It is most interesting how Christianity is being attacked because of events that took place years ago, the best defense is a strong offense! Who orchestrated 9/11,? Who is causing most of the violence in the world today? Who has sworn to destroy the Great Satan? The Catholic Church, or the Muslims? Better get the enemy straight or your Bible will be replaced by the Koran!
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mark-stevens1 year, 3 months ago
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What we should do is ignore Obama and support Pretty Palin and her Christian soliders. The ones in Iraq killing and dying for God!!
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Voyageur081 year, 3 months ago
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If elected the only change that you will get from Obama and the Democrats after taxes is that your dollar will be worth 50 cents. He will not collect as much from the wealthy as he claims, because the wealthy have too many write offs to be affected. GUESS who will fill their Tax and Spend Coffers? The middle class!!!
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jcampbell05241 year, 3 months ago
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Don't people have anything else better to do. It's pretty clear he was only saying McCain had not suggested that he was muslim. Maybe we should be concerned about Palin's daughter being pregnant and them trreating like it's no big deal and the message that sends to our younger generation.
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trnscndr1 year, 3 months ago
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Retarded. That's all I can say. Well, that's a lie. Here ya go: He was referring to the subject of "his being a Muslim". He did not misspeak, and even clarified himself. If I take Ronald Reagan out of context, I can make him say he is still alive and now a Democrat.
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rsc95631 year, 3 months ago
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Obama is a Koran reading shmuck. To heck with him. Luckily, America will vote the right way come November, Surely we cannot be idiotic enough to put this idiot and his "Planet of the Apes, she looks like Cornelius" wife in the most sacred office of the land?
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rsc95631 year, 3 months ago
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Obama is a Koran reading shmuck. To heck with him. Luckily, America will vote the right way come November, Surely we cannot be idiotic enough to put this idiot and his "Planet of the Apes, she looks like Cornelius" wife in the most sacred office of the land?
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Jasmine071 year, 3 months ago
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"WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR AN ARAB FOR PRESIDENT OF AMERICA"????
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Find a candidate who can get away with lying about their father being a 'freedom fighter' when he was actually part of the most corrupt and violent government in Kenya 's history. Find a candidate with close ties to The Nation of Islam and the violent Muslim overthrow in Africa , a candidate who is educated among white infidel Americans but hides his bitterness and anger behind a superficial toothy smile.
1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.
Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and
tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took
shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google 'Obama and Odinga' and see what you get. FIND the truth!
"WAKE UP AMERICA", IS THIS WHO YOU WANT AS PRESIDENT OF AMERICA??
OBAMA'S ROOTS ARE NOT AMERICAN, OBAMA'S ROOTS ARE IN ARABIA, INDONESIA,
AND KENYA. WHY WOULD YOU WANT OBAMA WHO HAS NO AMERICAN ROOTS??
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jwbooth1 year, 3 months ago
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What is the diff. If I remember civics 101 there is suppose to be seperation of Church and State. Catholic, Muslim, Mormon, or what have you it shouldn't be a factor. I remember JFK, many worryed about his deep rooted Roman Catholicism, and obaying the Pope over the laws of the United States of America, it never happen.
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jagljet1 year, 3 months ago
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Some Christian people I know of when on a tour to Isreal and when they were there, the Jews inquired of them why in the world America would even consider electing a Muslim for their President. Other countries know him better than we do. hmmmmmm........
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lbrtyordeath1 year, 3 months ago
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I think this is incredibly rediculous. As of this post, there are 328 comments on a complete bullsh!t thread. The American public really is FOOLISH, Propeller being no exception.
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I never thought I'd see this type of tabloid trash elevated so high on Propeller.
I'm definitely boycotting this thread and most likely may never comment again.
We are ALL smarter than this, Republicans and Democrats alike.
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BB641 year, 3 months ago
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Guys I'm as conservative as they come. This is a total non-story to hide a non-candidate. Rather than these fake puff stories how about Barry actually explaining his economic plans. If he can't do that, please explain the new power sources he's claiming we will build. How about explaining how we will see the new jobs without building more fossil fuel and nuke plants? Can he explain how his sitting down with a terrorist dictator like we find in Tehran won't elevate him and cause us more problems.
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blonddur1 year, 3 months ago
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Barack Obama is not Muslim. Get your facts strait. He proclaims to be Christian. The media will try to lead you to believe what they want, and instead of investigating it for yourselves, you will blindly believe them. What a crock of crap. Even if he was Muslim in the past, I guess most of you underestimate the saving power of Jesus Christ. SO it's NOT 'once a Muslim, always a Muslim'. Want the facts?
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ronbearoh1 year, 3 months ago
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I really laugh my @ss off over these stories which are passed on as true. The people sending these know its a freaking lie, but they figure hey,
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some smuck will buy this crap. It worked in 2004 for the Swiftboaters.
As Obama said today; These guys must think the american people are stupid!
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gamesh1 year, 3 months ago
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Go and see what muslims soldiors do in IRAQ . You can not imagine.
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They say some ******* sentences from Quran then they cut the head very easy .Its mean in this way you can not trust muslims never and never.
So about Obama I never say forget him becuase of his skin, forget him becuase of his muslim blood.See we have a lot of muslim that can trust them, can have very nice relashenship with , but they change 180 degree very easy ,piece of cake.
Hope that you never see and meet their face.
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no-tricky-dick1 year, 1 month ago
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We need to band together and start a new campaign. This needs to go viral so please compose an email to every right wing Fundamentalist Christian you know. The message is very simple...
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"Why vote in Satan's world. If you truly have faith in God, please stay home and pray instead of going to the polls to vote!" Let's see how that works out for you!!! Maybe God will bless America and people will try it.
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