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Posted By pc25 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsSummary
We've been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain's running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.
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WHampton1 year, 3 months ago
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Glad to see a post that debunks the lib attack on Sarah. The twisted hater posts were starting to get on my nerves.
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Today we have the lipstick on pig super gaff by Obama. That is not a coincidence. The word lipstick was self applied by Sarah Palin in innocent humor. But, it's not funny anymore. Regardless of the intent, it was my perception that Obama thought it would be funny to relate it to Sarah being the pig. I just wonder how that would play out if a Republican had applied the lipstick joke to a particular black person we know.-
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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Sarah will never get my vote based on what she believes in. She doesn't think that I should have a voice in government. She doesn't believe that I am a citizen of this country. She doesn't believe that children should be taught science. She has no experience on a world stage.
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McCain feels the same way. Therefore they will never get my vote.
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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Sarah will never get my vote based on what she believes in. She doesn't think that I should have a voice in government. She doesn't believe that I am a citizen of this country. She doesn't believe that children should be taught science. She has no experience on a world stage.
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McCain feels the same way. Therefore they will never get my vote.
I don't need to attack them. I merely need to quote them.-
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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REally? She has stated herself that gay people should be converted through her church. Or did I read that wrong?
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She and McCain both do not believe that gay people should be allowed to adopt. Right?
She believes that children should be taught creationism. That is the bible. Right?
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Lies
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She doesn't think that I should have a voice in government.
This is a lulu way out in left field. She has never said that anyone who is a citizen of sound mind should not have a voice in this government. If you are an illegal alien you are right.
She doesn't believe that I am a citizen of this country.
If you are already a citizen of this country then you are way out in left field again. If you are an illegal alien you are right.
She doesn't believe that children should be taught science.
What she as Mayor and Governor has stated is that evolution should be taught but IF the topic comes up creationism or intelligent design is allowed to be discussed.
She has no experience on a world stage.
The gas pipeline she is pushing through involves the different indian tribes in Alaska and Canada as well as the government of Canada and the Yukon Territory and British Columbia Province. Oil deals have had her in contact with several countries where she has tried to get the best price for Alaskan oil that can't be sent to the lower 48.
That new one about gay people should be converted through her church. I found the reference you are talking about. It is her church praying for Homosexuals to hopefully lead them to being hetersexual. She has made no comment on the issue. Is that prayer going to hurt you in any way? Get real.
Homosexual adoption McCain has expressed a personal view that he does not favor adoption by them. McCain feels that it should be a state decision. Palin has not addressed the issue yet that I can find out.
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abntv1 year, 3 months ago
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lfergie8121 year, 3 months ago
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Very cute. To make a statement like that, I assume you're looking into the mirror. LMAO
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Palin said ""Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education." Spin it any way you want but that is asking for creationism to be taught in the schools. Factcheck should get their facts straight. I have no problem with both being taught in schools but why deny that she did it?
http://www.thelangreport.com/religion-or-lack-of/s...
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pc251 year, 3 months ago
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speaking of pigs did anyone catch this today
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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/09/obama-on-mcc...
Obama on McCain/Palin: “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig”; Update: Video added;
I think you can take this that he pretty called Sarah Palin a "pig"
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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That is not what his audience thought. While the phrase in the context of his speech was a descriptive phrase it is not funny. As soon as he said "You can put lipstick on a pig" the audience erupted with laughter. They laughed even louder when he finished his sentence.
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It is either a stupid thing to say after Gov. Palin's comment or it was planned. Either way it says something about Obama.
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WHampton1 year, 3 months ago
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Regardless of the intent that is your perception, not mine.
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When my wife heard Obama's statement she oouldn't believe she heard it. She immeadiatly took it as Obama calling Sarah a pig. It's a matter of perception and I can promise you millions of people feel the same way. Where do you think Obama got the word lipstick in this election? Clearly it first came from Sarah Palin. It may be just a saying, but far from a coincidence.
If Hillary was in Sarah's shoes under the same circumstances I wonder how that would play out. Would you still think the policy was the pig?
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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I said that EXACT line the day after McCain chose her for the ticket.
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It is idiotic to try and make some offensive sexist remark out of -
"Putting lipstick on a pig".
It refers to dressing up a bad idea to see if it can be made acceptable
after a superficial repackaging of the exact same bad idea.
NO APOLOGY necessary. Get real.
And, I'll bet Pat Buchanan will be crushed to find out that
Gov. Palin was not a Buchanan supporter. It has been a major
topic of conversation on Morning Joe(MSNBC) where old Pat
is a constant commentator. They seem to think she was and
Buchanan has been beaming about it. Maybe someone should
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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The problem is that he said that after a very widely known joke that Palin told.
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"What is the difference between a soccer mom and a pit bull? A socer mom wears lipstick."
Obama's audience thought it was aimed at Palin otherwise why the laughter erupting. By itself it is just descriptive not funny.
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fergusonjr71 year, 3 months ago
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I set back an watch an listen too a chess move made by McCain,s people an now I,m waiting too see if Obama people well move properly or is this another ploy to play on the people emotions like all way s to get them to do what the powers to be all along wanted too happen in the first place. good cop bad cop /?
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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As a very well connected Democrat I find it quite odd that I have received not one of these kinds of emails about Palin. I have seen some awful Obama smear emails though.
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"seeing it for themselves is the only way the middle of the roaders will come to Jesus so to speak."
The agenda is clear here. Your statement doesn't even need to be decoded. The rebuttal is that McCain/Palin are not Jesus! They have no relation to any such mythical figure. They will continue to enrich their base. And that is not the middle class. Palin will get run over by a steamroller if she even thinks she's going to sink anyone in Washington. Ted Stevens was like a walking dead moose by the time she got around to shooting at him. You have to look at where the Republicans interests lie, and that is clearly with Big Oil and Corporate America. Not with the average American. If you still believe in the trickle down effect you are sadly delusional.
Scared of Obama's tax policy? You shouldn't even flinch if you earn less than 150k as an individual and more than 250k as a family (the avg. household income is just under 45k!). Think we will be vulnerable to attack? We are right now! But thankfully it isn't easy for a bunch of goatherders to hatch such plans. 9/11 was years in the making. It will happen again. Only a matter of when. I look at this woman and I think what could happen in the event of such an attack. I don't ask that question about Obama.
Remeber Sarah is not running for President. That's John McCain! We can only hope this frenzy ends soon and a few issues actually get discussed between the presidential candidates. That should occur by Sept. 26th, the first debate.-
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Goppy1 year, 3 months ago
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It's been my observation that the extremist fringe in this nation has evolved (created?) a style that CREATES the impression of being VICTIMS in order to retaliate with Lies, Distortions, and Un-Patriotic Attack.
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It's like how they launched an openly Partisan Media Outlet for the Republican Party.
They INVENTED the whole Liberal Media Bias thing ... for the express purpose of INSTITUTIONALIZING Right Wing Media Bias.
It's quite effective.
Of course, it's patent Moral Vacancy ... but then .... this has become de riguer from my fellow Christian Conservatives.
I still yearn for the Republican Party that left me ... I remember the stalwart dignity of Barry Goldwater and other Freedom Loving Republicans.
As things stand now ... I simply cannot accept their extremist views, their penchant for Wild Deficit Spending, or their Moral Vacancy.-
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree 100%. Where is all this derision over this woman other than against what she believes. And is it in fact the Right Wing who is creating this illusion? The way the media is handling this she does look like a victim. It''s laughable at face value but it works. Like Pavlovian dogs they lick it up! Many against their very own self interests. And remember that the corporate interests that run even the networks benefit in particular if McCain pulls this off. Do you think GE wants "change", Disney? Viacom?, Rupert Murdoch? They are sitting pretty right now. The Republican way will do them just fine.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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ROTFLMAO
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You two are hilarious. This site has been full of the smear Palin stories and libs (you two included) just joined in and said even worse things. Almost all of them have turned out to be lies or stories that have been twisted so far that they became lies. This story mentions a few of them. But you two then try to make it into lies by the right.
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Goppy1 year, 3 months ago
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BTW ... my wife and I just returned from Alaska. We had a chance to see Sarah Palin's hometown ... where she had been mayor.
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I've been to nearly every state of this nation ... and I can tell you this is one of the most depressing dumps of any city I've ever had the pleasure of seeing.
And talking to people in Alaska ... from Fairbanks to Ketchikan ... I can tell you that she is not universally liked. Those who expressed an appreciation for her usually included a reference to her good looks and peppy personality as being what mostly inspire them.
I was reminded at how many of my fellow Christian Conservatives liked George W. Bush because they thought he 'might be fun to have a beer with' ... hardly a good indicator of future ability.-
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Propeller has a story up about your trip to Alaska:
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/09/palin-ob...
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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The irony being that GW Bush although an alcoholic was no beer drinker. His wasa prep scholl and Ivy League background. Jobs were waiting on him the day he graduated. Board jobs. That is hardly the image most would have of Bush we think more of the image of him clearing brush back at the ranch. Rove shaped and molded him into an everyman.
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This woman seems possess this outdoorsy, rugged image, that appeals to the very people who elected GW. The very people who can be swayed by guns, Jesus, and beer.-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Still smearing Bush. Can't get over the fact that Gore lost fair and square. Poor libs.
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Just keep on bashing Palin. Tell more lies and make them as bad as you can. The latest one is she is mean to animals. She shoots moose and caribou and goes in planes to kill wolves. Go for that one. Smear her hard. Look foolish when the truth comes out.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Jesus a mythical figure. What planet have you lived on. There is incontrovertible evidence that Jesus existed and was crucified on the cross under Pontius Pilate. Roman historians have stated this. Other historians stated this like Josephus. Those scholars who examine the writings of Luke say he is a very good historian. The New testament was written at a time when witnesses were still living who had seen and talked to Jesus. If those writings were inaccurate then there would have been writings that point this out. The Sanhedrin and the Romans would have gleefully used them.
"Scared of Obama's tax policy?"
When he was on the O'Reilly factor he ignored the FACT that when the Bush tax cuts were put in place that there was a 19% increase in tax revenue. This happens every time the top end tax cut takes place. JFK knew this and lowered the top tax rate. It happened then. Every time the top end tax rate changes there has been an inverse relation of tax revenue to the tax change. When will liberals figure out that people in that income bracket will change their behavior to protect their money. They will put it where they can get the most return for their money AFTER taxes. They will take it out of the normal economy and put it in a protected part of the economy when taxes are raised. This will cause less money in taxes and money taken out of the general economy. Both bad things to happen.
But the Obama messiah speaks and he has to be correct. Just ignore history.
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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So nice to see that you really don't care about the problems that the country is facing. You just want your party to be in power.
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You may not remember this because Rove and Bush and their ilk have divided us so intensely, but we are on the same side. We are all Americans.
But you go ahead and push for your party to be in power. Even though they have been for the last 8 years and things have gone from bad to worse. God forbid that you give someone else a chance to try and do things differently. 80% of Americans feel that we are on the wrong path.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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What garbage. Bush has all his political career tried to go across the aisle. The bash bush started when Gore lost. The lies about Bush started then. Bush really lost. The Supreme Court decided the election. You ignore the count and recount. The fact that the law in place decides how the election process is done. After it was over there were several groups that took the ballots and did their own count. Guess what? All but the absolute most biased group found that Bush won. But the crybaby Liberals can't get over it. All the hate rhetoric about Bush started at that point in time and only slowed down for a time after 9/11.
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Liberals create the hate Bush before he had a chance to do anything but they try to blame that on Bush as well.
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree. Good post. It's good to get facts out instead of insinuations and supposition for both sides of this story. But I have to say that every "clarification" is the story I have heard from the beginning.
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I have heard that there was some confusion about her association with the Alaska Independence Party, but the story I read about it made it clear that her husband was part of that party while she has always been registered Republican. I remember thinking that it doesn't matter to me anyway because this is America..she can be whatever she wants to be. I get the flap over cessation but still, its her right even if she WAS a member.
And the thing about book banning, that story is exactly as it was told in Anne Kilkenny's email. She wasn't fired specifically because of the book ban resistance, but it was due to Palin's assertion that they weren't on the same page. Since that's what they differed on, its not logical to believe it had anything to do anything else. Much of the other stuff I hadn't heard much about. I did read about her not pushing creationism in the schools, so I guess that had been something people have said about her.
The thing is, I think this shows that you need to be careful where you get your news from and what you consider a "reliable" source. So much out there is tabloid and people really need to dig a little deeper to find the truth before accepting the first thing they read or hear on the television. When getting any news, the first think everyone should be asking themselves is..considering the source, is this likely true or false? Because seriously, the SOURCE can tell you up front often whether or not something is true. People have to take that responsibility on themselves..to be smarter than the scammers.-
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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Who is Anne Kilkenny's
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That E-mail Author
Switching gears: Almost 100 readers have written to ask us if the many claims made about Palin in an e-mail written by someone named Anne Kilkenny are true. We can tell you that Kilkenny is a real person. (She was quoted by the Chicago Tribune, as we said above.) According to the New York Times, she’s a Democrat. According to Kilkenny herself, Palin “has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship."
We’re still analyzing Kilkenny’s claims, and we will be posting something on this soon.
Okay so Anne Kilkenny's got a pet peve about Palin.
Apparently she was one of the 60 people who wanted to get a recall of Mayor Palin.
BTW Palin NEVER FACED a recall Alaska law says ya got ta have 60 signatures in order to START a petition drive.
They could only get 60.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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Have you read her email? She didn't sound like a nutcase, and she did not make any of the accusations that have been debunked. I guess we'll have to wait and see how much of her email is true.
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Actually, I have no idea where these debunked smears have been circulating because this is the first time I've seen them.-
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree with Candida...she didn't sound like a nutcase. In fact, she defended Palin on the pregnancy issue, debunking claims that Trig is really her grandson. Her email cited specifics, and did so in a way that was reasonable and not inflammatory. I don't know if what she said was true, but it certainly didn't come across as any sort of "smear campaign" that I have ever seen. And, as Candida stated, she has yet to be disproved on anything she said. Yes, she is against Palin, but that doesn't mean she's a nutcase. I think its very telling, however, that some are so quick to dismiss her claims without even reading what she's said (obviously). Frankly, I think she comes across as the best source yet on the REAL Sarah Palin because she knows her and has seen her in action for many years. How many people out there clamoring to either defend or attack her have that experience to claim?
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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Wait a minute, if she needed 60 and ONLY got 60 she had enough to get it started you goof ball. As for her being a nut case for having the nerve to stand up to Wonder Woman then there must have been 59 other ones. Don't slight them.
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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injest........what is your source that Anne Kilkenny participated in a recall effort against Palin? That wasn't a part of the write-up I saw from Kilkenny. She was against Palin when she tried to fire the city librarian because this librarian wouldn't agree to ban books if requested. She, and others, got together and organized to support the librarian in keeping her job and fighting any form of censorship. When so many of the people in the town showed support for the librarian instead of for Palin, she withdrew her letter of termination. In other words, she bowed to public pressure to accept a librarian who wouldn't be bullied.
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What part of that implies or supports the idea that they tried to get a recall against Palin as mayor? I would very much like to see where you heard otherwise.-
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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Typical.
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I ask for clarification or source for the criticism that is being made here and instead of an ANSWER, I get a negative rating....lol not that I really expected someone to provide the source since its obviously another made up accusation or an exaggeration of what was printed, but I still find it amusing that instead of simply admitting they read more into the situation than was there, or even just saying nothing at all, they click that negative sign because they don't like being called on the BS that is being spewed.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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The librarian was asked by the mayor if she would ban books if asked. then she was asked if she would ban books if the mayor asked. Mayor Palin said that she wanted to know if the librarian would bow to pressure or stand firm. She intended the questions not to be answered.
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The recall was started by a group of 60 people but killed it in order to ask Mayor Palin questions about why the firing. It seems that the answers satisfied them because the issue was dropped.
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/513745.html-
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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Thank you for that link. That's really all I was asking for. I appreciate it.
I see where the confusion was. The recall effort (if that's what you want to call it) was really just a group of concerned citizens who formed after she fired the police chief who was very popular and had a contract from the previous administration. I had read where he was suing her for illegal termination before, but I don't know that I ever heard how that came out. As far as the recall, it seems as though it was simply discussed at this meeting, but dismissed as quickly in favor of working with Palin and trying to reach mutual understanding.
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anschauer011 year, 3 months ago
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Who cares if they're true or false, the point is trash her as much as possible, like repubs rightwing facist ALWAYS do to their opponenets.
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So, SHE BANNED BOOKS,
SHE CUT SPENDING FOR DISABLED CHILDREN BY 62%,
SHE DEMANDS CREATIONISM BE TAUGHT TO THE EXCLUSION OF REAL SCIENCE
SHE SUPPORTS OPEN REBELLION BY ALASKA AGAINST THE UNITED STATES
Now, here's a REAL charge, she and her chief of police forced victims of rape and incest to pay for collecting and processing their own rape kits, something apparently so offensive to the rest state that a state law was passed REQUIRING police departments to absorb the costs ( the author of this bill is on the record stating he proposed the bill specifically in response to Palin's and her chief of police's policy)-
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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Well here is some plain truth.
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Fact: Obama signed the United Nations Millenium Declaration that would undercut the United States Constitution.
Fact: Biden actually suggested a young man had a mental problem simply because he disagreed with the man's political views in the primary.
All of the candidates have some skeletons in their closets--just as all humans do. I'm sure there is plenty of stuff that's true to complain about without resorting to the lies uncovered in the article (which has high credibility, by the way).-
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e....
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number 9
To correctly keep that all member states will have to give up some of their own internal power. In this country the Constitution is supreme.
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SpareChange1 year, 3 months ago
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wow. pretty shoddy stuff from newsweek and factcheck. they're both usually pretty on top of things.
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the story is pretty shoddy in that they don't have the rumors right.
but...OKAY!!! lets go thru these 5 "rumors" one by one.
1) Palin cut funding for special needs education.
I've never heard anything about this either way, so, fine, great. Palin didn't cut funding for special needs children. no problemo. good for her. she's not the devil.
2) Palin demanded that books be banned from the Wasilla library.
Now, this isn't the story I heard and saw widely circulated. The story I heard was that during a Wasilla city council meeting, Palin asked the city's librarian what her response would be if Palin asked her to remove some books from the collection.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons (now Mary Ellen Baker), told Palin that the books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and that she would absolutely resist all efforts to ban any books.
and this has been verified by others who attended the meeting, as reported by Time Magazine and the Anchorage Daily News:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1...
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html
did Palin demand that books be banned? no. But did she throw it out there to see what the reaction would be? yes. which begs the question, why would Palin ask about banning books if she wasn't thinking about it and possibly intending to do just that?
Luckily, Mary Ellen Baker let her know that there would be resistance, so Palin did the smart thing and decided to just drop it.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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It seems that this article is incorrect in a number of aspects. Take book-banning for example. Palin FIRED the librarian and only strong protests from citizens of Wasilla made her back down.
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NY Times
Palin’s Start in Alaska: Not Politics as Usual
.... Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.
Anne Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin’s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. “They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,” Ms. Kilkenny said.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to “resist all efforts at censorship,” Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support....
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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In fact, book banning by fundamentalist crazies is pretty common in the US and something we need to reverse.
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Imagine the fundies wanting to ban americans from reading Steinbeck, Twain, Shakespeare, ....
Books Banned in the United States
A Public Service Report from Adler & Robin Books
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East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
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The full list can be seen here:
http://www.adlerbooks.com/banned.html
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Perhaps most serious of all is that the main reasons to reject ´Palin outright are not covered at all in this article. Do Americans really want a "theocracy whacko" who has been using taxpayer money to support violent goons?
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Palin's Churches and the Third Wave
Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.
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vor1 year, 3 months ago
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Are you saying you are having a problem with the idea of 5 year olds making life changing decisions? These people have no such problem. Why not let them vote as well?
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Religion (particularly of this breed) survives by immersion and subjugation. Your parents believe this utter nonsense so you should to. And don't ask any questions! Especially about the validity of what you now believe! Of course the same thing occurs in Islam and other religions that require the forfeiture of ones free will.
GW wasn't a committed evangelical, he didn't bring their agendas to the forefront. Yet he still put some pretty screwed up individuals on the Supreme Court. This woman will try to advance this idiocy through government. We can only hope she fails miserably.-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Frankly I think the kind of 'youth organizations' that Palin is associated with are not much differen than (say) 'The Hitler Youth' groups.
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'Arming' for Armageddon - Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy
Joel's Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
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Progressive1 year, 3 months ago
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Interesting how none of the right wingnuts can be bothered to look at factcheck for the lies they gleefully spread about Obama, but now that they are starting to consider a few facts, they should take a closer look at the truth about the top of their ticket:
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, and Osama is this pristine, upstanding individual that just oozes with character especially when it comes to his half-brother living in a shack in Kenya...
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http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20080821/902/twl-obama...
Must be tough for these Elitist to reach out a helping hand to even their own family members while preaching to us that we need to redistribute wealth...
How about start with your half-brother, Osama.....
Is this a lie too, Progressive? It's funny when ANYTHING is mentioned about Osama from the "right-winged nutjobs" it's almost certainly a lie, but the lefty-loonies mention anything about Palin and McCain and it's all of a sudden gospel....Especially that very highly credible story about Palin's youngest actually being her grandaughter...That was a good one....
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh and did I mention how much foreign aid was given to Africa from that racist, hate-monger, Bush?
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9 BILLION dollars....
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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I have a sister living in a shack in Texas. Does that mean anything about me? Not really. That is her choice. She chose her life and I chose mine. I help her children because they had no choice.
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That half brother business is not an issue that has to do with this election. It has nothing to do with it. It is just a deflection to try and get people to focus on anything other than how terrible McCAin and Palin would be as the leaders of this once great nation.
Now. Do you have anything to say about the record unemployment? The loss of jobs? The plumetting dollar? The staggering national debt? Thye unwinnable war in Iraq? The horrible planning and abysmal execution? Bremmer creating the quagmire in the first place? Bush appointing people without any skills for jobs that they cannot do because they were loyal?
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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ROTFLMAO
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The unemployment rates were very low until the liberal created subprime mess started and the liberal created problem of the cost of gas going through the roof.
Good going liberals. Create the subprime loans and when they go bust have the government bail them out. Liberal bleeding hearts had to let those who couldn't afford to buy a house under the old rules be able to buy them under the modified rules. Whoops. There was a reason for the old rules. Oh well. Let the government bail everybody out. Of course the housing market goes in the tank. Oh well. We will blame it on the Republicans.
No drilling where the oil is.
No new coal deposits to be used.
No nuclear power plants.
No new refineries.
Oops. Oil prices go very high. Can't drill. They go higher. Can't drill. Higher still. Pelosie adjourns the House.
Oops. We use more refined oil than we have refineries to make gas etc. So we have to get refined gas from foreign refineries. That makes it cost more.
Normal time to get oil after starting drilling as per the oil drillers. 1 1/2 to 3 maybe 4 years. Why does the liberals say it takes so long to get oil? The rest of the time is taken up by all the liberal red tape at all levels of government before drilling is allowed to start.
Where do we sit after all this mess started.
No drilling where the oil is.
No new coal deposits to be used.
No nuclear power plants.
No new refineries.
Why do I think that the liberals want it this way?
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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ROTFLMAO
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Another nut job saying that all those people in the planes, before they crashed, calling to the ground did not exist. The dead in those four planes are just made up. That explosives were planted in the building to cause the explosions.
As of 2006 there were 500 WMD found and recently the number has risen to 2000 but they don't exist.
Then you make up the story that Bush said that Saddam Husein was part of 9/11.
You should change your name to wrongfromright.
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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Here, I'll help them out:
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RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's one for you too............
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RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago
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sorry, wrong link. Also there were claims about their infant child not being Sara's but belonging to her daughter Bristol.........
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm happy to except the truth about Sarah Palin. I don't need lies to make up my mind. Too bad you guys don't practice what you preach. How many times to I have to hear from this side that Obama is a muslim, or a socialist.
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I don't think she's ready to be one heartbeat away from the presidency. She served as a mayor and on the town council of a town that is no bigger than the one I live in. She has only been Governor for 1.5 years. Republicans where saying that Tim Kaine of Virginia didn't have enough experience to be Obama's VP pick when he was being considered. He was the Mayor of Richmond Virginia before becoming Governor. Richmond is a city of more than 10 times the population of Wasilla. Virginia has many more citizens than Alaska. How is it the He was unqualified and she is?-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Chef,
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Osama IS a socialist....He believes in redistribution of wealth...
What do you call that ?
Everything that we have seen from the left in regards to Sarah Palin's "smear" campaign has been all lies...And frankly, chef, the more you guys keep spreading this crap, the more publicity Palin will get, so please keep on with the bogus stories....
And Palin GOVERNED a city, a state and people for over 16 years while Osama was still in law school...She's commanded the Alaskan National Guard...Osama has no legistlative, executive experience whatsoever....What important decisions has Osama made during his short career as a community organizer? What experience does he have that make him qualified to be our leader ? He stutters and stammers during interviews without his teleprompter, so we know he can't think on his toes....The man is a fraud and unfortunately YOU guys put an inexperienced fake on the ticket, not us....So blame yourselves for the predicament your in....
We have ALWAYS maintained ,like her or not, that Hillary made more sense for you guys as your presidential nominee, but you chose a guy with less than 2 yrs experience in the Senate, a community organizer (whatever THAT means), a superstar candidate, that at the end of the day, is really just a guy that had a fantastic speech last year at the Democratic convention....It got you guys all fired up, but when you peeled back the layers, you found nothing there underneath....
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Hey chef?
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Bush has an undergraduate from Yale and a MBA from Harvard ....Is he smarter than Osama ?
You see, Chef, you clowns talk about how dumb Bush is and he graduated from the same school as Osama, but yet because he graduated from Harvard with a law degree now Osama is somehow smarter than everyone else ? Bush went there and he was dumb, Osama went there and he's a greek god....
I don't understand the differences other than libs like to use points as long as it supports THEIR candidate....We use it and we're just plain stupid...
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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we're just plain stupid...
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glad you finally admit it... see what taking a few words out of context can do....
thanks for playing.. and proving the worth of an FSU education...
now get back to work you steal ENTIRELY TOO much time from your employer talking BS on these boards..
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saneman1 year, 3 months ago
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Here's a few facts for the Repubs:
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1. Obama graduated Magna C'um Laude (straight A's) from the most prestigious law school in the world.
A. Guaranteed Fact, none of the Repubs on this blog or even Palin or McCain could even get in the front door at Harvard let alone graduate Magna C'um Laude from any podunk school.
2. Obama was selected to the law review at Harvard which is the higest achievement for any law student in any law school since those selected write articles which are published and are cited by lawyers in their court cases. The selection committee for the law schools are very careful and selective when choosing their candidates since the law review articles represent the law schools.
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saneman1 year, 3 months ago
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How many people know that Bush was not even accepted to the University of Texas Law School in 1970. ROFLMAO!!! How embarassing is that? Even his daddy couldn't get him into the U of Texas Law School, a southern school for crying out loud. OMG!!! However, I will give kudos to Bush for surpassing the lifespan for people strickened with Down's Syndrome.
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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Your wrong, Insaneman,
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Read my post again, Bush, a Redpublican, got his MBA from Harvard....You guys tried to make this same silly point about Kerry when he was running for President....And then when we looked closer a Kerry's Yale scores, they were actually lower than Bush's....
But at the end of the day - Who Cares ? You can have all the education in the world, sane, but does that mean you have the EXPERIENCE to lead ? I know a lot of smart, MIT types, that are dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to making important decisions....Having a law degree from Harvard with comunnity organizing experience, doesn't make Osama "qualified" for the job....
I can't tell you how many job intereviews I went through when I first starting out of college where the interviewer had told me I didn't have enough experience....I had the piece of paper with my college degree on it, but he wanted somebody that had experience, plain and simple...
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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Get your facts straight.
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1. Obama graduated magna *** laude The probem with your straight a's is that is reserved for the summa *** laude.
The following is from the Harvard web site.
Each June, between 4% and 5% of the graduating class will be awarded the degree summa *** laude.
...the total number of degrees summa *** laude and magna *** laude constitute 20% of the graduating class.
...the total number of degrees summa *** laude, magna *** laude, and *** laude in field represent 50% of the graduating class.
2. Harvard Law Review.
From the Harvard Law Review web site.
At present there are 87 editors.
Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition.
Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores.
Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis.
Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy.
Obama was unique. He chose to not enter his own works into the Law Review. That is one of the perks of being an editor. This helps when they go to find a law firm to work at. They can point to their own articles to showcase themselves. Why didn't Obama?
I have seen people who graduated high in their class not be able to do sensible thing. I have seen people who didn't go to higher education do great things. I look at Obama's record and scratch my head.
This extremely smart man didn't put any articles in the Harvard Law Review.
This extremely smart man who could have gone to a lot of prestigious law firms went to Chicago
This extremely smart man was told by Rev. Wright that if he went to that church the other churches would have a problem with him and he went there anyway.
This extremely smart man voted present so many times in the legislature.
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Very impressive saneman but haven't you been paying attention....all the achievements you've just listed don't mean squat to these people....it's all about...are you ready to be shocked and awed??... EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE. These right wingers don't care if your Jesus himself..If you don't have two years of "executive experience", you got nothing.
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Socialism supports the middle class, medicare, social security. It must be nice for you to be so rich that you don't or won't need medicare or social security. Who's the star. Palin is on every tabloid magazine - yet she can't give an interview. She and McCain haven't stated their new plans- only that their going to shake things up; they need to be more specific. Oh wait, what was I thinking. McCain has often stated he dosen't understand economics and Palin has demonstrated that she doesn't. Also, Palin has no experience with Social Security - Alaska doesn't participate.
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Palin doesn't even know Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae are private corporations. They haven't cost the tax payers a cent- until the bail out. Our children's children will be paying the debts the republicans have run up- if the country is still here. Palin's college degree was in journalism. Obama's is in law. That alone makes him more qualified for the position. When Bush took office we had a surplus. When he ran for his second term he promised to cut the deficit in half. He has doubled it instead. The republicans have had control of the white house for 8 years, they had the house and the senate for the 14 years. It was President Clinton that wanted to establish the line item veto. That would get rid of all the pork barrel spending and earmarks. The republicans blocked the line item veto not the just the Democrats. The government allowed -encouraged jobs being outsourced from the country. Now because so many people are unemployed or underemployed they are blaming the lost tax revenue for the economic problems. The repubilcans are acting as if they are not the incumbent party. I would have respect for them if they stood up and admitted the republican party and their president made mistakes that now they now have a better picture and plan for the country. Reasonable adults take responsibility for their actions/inactions. Instead they try to blame everything on the Democrats and Obama. What you learn in any business school is if your rich or own a company you want republicans in office. If you work for a living you want Democrats in office. I have been a republican my whole life-until Bush. I am now an independant. I am voting for Obama; with him we have a chance. McCain and Palin it will mean the end of the country I love; anyone who is not a brainless, racist sheep can see the truth of the matter. -
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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Redistribution of wealth. Crap!! All he wants to do is have people who make over 250K a year pay more in taxes. That's not redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth would be if we took the money from the rich and handed it to the poor. We are handing it to the government.
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Your trickle down philosophy doesn't work. The money doesn't trickle down. If you want the economy to improve you must put the money in the hands of those who buy the products. And the majority of those people are the middle class. Give us tax relief and we will buy cars, go to restaurants, and buy other products that will get our economy moving, take the money away and we will just buy what we need to survive. How are you going to sell your products if no one can afford to buy them?-
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FSU92grad1 year, 3 months ago
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"Redistribution of wealth would be if we took the money from the rich and handed it to the poor. We are handing it to the government".
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So the government can spend more....That is Osama's plan...And Chef please tell everyone what happens when you go after the rich with taxes ? You know the very people that invest in start-ups and small companies ? That money goes elsewhere or bye-bye....You want to hurt the economy more by preventing small business's, go right ahead....
And btw, just because Osama "claims" he's ONLY going to tax the rich, he's also going to tax the middle class, you can count on it...Under Bush's tax cuts a family of 4 making $30,000 a year gets a $1500 tax refund...Under Osama's plan, they get nothing, so I'm not sure which CNN show you have been watching but Osama's economic plan is crap and it is Socialism....
Even the other day Osama commented to reporters that he didn't say he was going to raise taxes because "You don't raise taxes in a poor economy"...And in fact endorsed more tax cuts, so you see, Chef, your guy is full of crap. He doesn't know what he wants or how to solve our problems....
Tire gauge, anyone ?
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Speaking without a teleprompter is above his pay grade.
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He’s too inexperienced to Chair a committee
The only things he’s Authored are research notes for someone else in college and a narcissistic book about himself that he referred to whites as ‘cracker’ and a few other not so nice things.
Well he has been a community organizer. He can handle a staple gun with the best of them putting signs up on telephne poles.
Hey but he looks good, he’s clean, articulate (with a teleprompter), has a great jump shot, and has cute platitudes about hope and ccccchange.
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markmawn21 year, 3 months ago
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Here's some fact checking for you , from the same source.
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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Funny how non of the Cons have answered my question about how Tim Kaine wasn't qualified for VP based on his experience according to the Republicans but Sarah Palin is.
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Let's hear it Cons! Come on, defend what your party has said on national television.
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automan9091 year, 3 months ago
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Swiftboating of Kerry and obama are all true. Both men are not qualified to be President.
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Kerry was a traitor to his country and Obama has relationships with convicted Bombers.
He could not even pass requirements to get a security clearance with that resume.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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You do know that the term Fair and Balanced as used by Fox News is what is known as an oxymoron. Being Fair and Balanced to the right is not actually being fair and balanced. That's why it is widely considered as an open joke. Hope you realized that.
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abntv1 year, 3 months ago
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Don't dismiss the fact that Sarah Palin is Commander of the Alaska National Guard– consider this.
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Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.
Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances we don't even know about.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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ConsAreNonGrata
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Hey, Cons, question:
”Why is it that I can only find this exact post on blogs? “
Uhm, Because you’re an idiot? Is this an open line of questioning you want?
The original source as stated al over the article is factcheck.org
”Where's the original source?”
At factcheck.org? you really are the slow kid eh?
http://www.factcheck.org/
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Seeing as how you've been asleep for awhile Mr. Winkle you probably don't know that the Cold War ended years ago and your so called 'front line of defense' was useless on 9/11. The year is 2008 Mr.Winkle, not 1980. All that being said, even IF the Cold War was still going on, I seriously doubt Putin would be nervously asking his generals "How the hell do we launch a surprise attack on the U.S with Sarah Palin in the way???"
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You mean they are?? Your right, I have to order more kool -aid from the Jim Jones Evangelical Center for Pure Conservative Truth and drink deeper. I can't believe I didn't see how Sarah Palin is the only person standing between us and them damn commies.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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”She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.”
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Oh please how can that POSSIBLY match up to a
Community Organizer!
YA know he worked for ACORN in Chicago and he personally registered more dead people as voters than anyone one eles!
True he didn’t get any pet rocks registered to vote but that’s cause no one told him about pet rocks!!
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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I certainly don't share her religious beliefs and her views on abortion. On the other hand, if abortion was recriminalized, it would touch approximately 1 million women annually, per Wikipedia, and pre-Roe v. Wade history suggests most of those would still find one in the black market.
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Obama's push to implement United Nations policy would both undermine the U.S. Constitution and affect all Americans. And he supports major infringements on the second amendment. He also supports faith-based funding and returning the abortion decision to the states, so he's no friend of atheists like myself anymore than McCain is on those issues.
I'm betting that, whichever candidate ends up in the oval office will likely act pretty similarly on most issues, once he sees his choices from an insider's viewpoint. I like them all in some respects and dislike them all in some respects, but I'm really leaning towards McCain, simply because I think he's less likely to sell us out to the United Nations and other groups. We have to focus on shoring up our economy, or we won't be providing aid or military support to anyone.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Well here is another israel-firster zionist trying to poison american on the UN because of deadly fear that the US will join the rest of the world in putting an end to zionist crimes against humanity.
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It is time to start listening to real american jews instead of the pseudo-jewish zionist criminals. This american jew would be a good start.
The End Of Israel?
By Hannah Mermelstein
I am feeling optimistic about Palestine.
I know it sounds crazy. How can I use "optimistic" and "Palestine" in the same sentence when conditions on the ground only seem to get worse?...
.... and yet I dare to say that I am optimistic. Why? Ehud Olmert. Let me clarify. Better yet, let's let him clarify:
"The day will come when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights. As soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished."
That's right, the Prime Minister of Israel is currently trying to negotiate a "two-state solution" specifically because he realizes that if he doesn't, Palestinians might begin to demand, en masse, equal rights to Israelis. Furthermore, he worries, the world might begin to see Israel as an apartheid state. In actuality, most of the world already sees Israel this way, but Olmert is worried that even Israel's most ardent supporters will begin to catch up with the rest of the world....
...Perhaps Olmert is giving American Jews too much credit here, but he does expose a basic contradiction in the minds of most American people, Jewish and not: most of us -- at least in theory -- support equal rights for all residents of a country. Most of us do not support rights given on the basis of ethnicity and religion, especially when the ethnicity/religion being prioritized is one that excludes the vast majority of the country's indigenous population. We cannot, of course, forget the history of ethnic cleansing of indigenous people on the American continent. But we must not use the existence of past atrocities to justify present ones....-
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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I am optimistic not because I think the process of ethnic cleansing and apartheid in Israel/Palestine is going to end tomorrow, but because I can feel the ideology behind these policies beginning to collapse. For years the true meaning of political Zionism has been as ignored as its effects on Palestinian daily life. And suddenly it is beginning to break open. Olmert's comments last week are reminiscent of those of early Zionist leaders who talked openly of transfer and ethnic cleansing in order to create an artificial Jewish majority in historic Palestine.
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....So this idea of a "two-state solution" a la Olmert -- which I would argue provides neither a "state" nor a "solution" for the Palestinian people -- is the new transfer. It is no longer popular in the world to openly discuss expulsion (though there are political parties in Israel that advocate this), but Olmert hopes that by creating a Palestinian "state" on a tiny portion of historic Palestine, he can accomplish the same goal: maintaining an ethno-religious state exclusively for the Jewish people in most of historic Palestine. His plan, as all other plans Israeli leaders have tried to "negotiate," ignores the basic rights of the two-thirds of the Palestinian population who are refugees. They, like all other refugees in the world, have the internationally recognized right to return to their lands and receive compensation for loss and damages. This should not be up for negotiation.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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So when Olmert warns that we will "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights" and that "the state of Israel [will be] finished," I get a little flutter of excitement. I think of the 171 Palestinian organizations who have called on the international community to begin campaigns of boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel until Israel complies with international law. This is already a South African-style struggle, and we outside of Palestine need to do our part. Especially those of us who live in the US, the country that gives Israel more than $10 million every single day, must take responsibility for the atrocities committed in our name and with our money.
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Ultimately, this is our role as Americans. It is to begin campaigns in our churches, synagogues, mosques, universities, cities, unions, etc. It is not to broker false negotiations between occupier and occupied, and it is not to muse over solutions the way I have above. But one can dream. And as a Jewish-American, I know that while it might be scary to some, while it will require a lot of imagination, the end of Israel as a Jewish state could mean the beginning of democracy, human rights, and some semblance of justice in a land that has almost forgotten what that means.-
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There is the hyper that all know and are disgusted by. The Zionist conspiracy. The peaceful Muslims are just misunderstood. They really don''t mean it when they teach their kids to kill all Jews. And the thing that most of the kids want to be when they grow up is to be a suicide bomber. Obama and other Muslims terrorists have as part of their avowed aim to kill ALL Jews and finish Hitlers final solution.
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Israel comply with international law?
Lets see, the original border for Israel was the Jordan River. Jordan was called Trans Jordan for a reason when it was created. In 1948 all the Muslim countries surrounding Israel attacked at once. Avowed aim was to drive the Jews into the sea and kill them there. Where was the outrage against the Muslim countries for stealing part of Israel and keeping it until a few wars later Israel took back all of the stolen territory. Now there is outrage. Why. It was OK when the Muslims took it. Why is it bad for Israel to recover their territory?????
Poor hyper doesn't know his history.
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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I am an atheist as well. I fear McCain and Palin. They have openly stated that they intend to push their beliefs on us. Obama has clearly stated that he won't push his beliefs on us. I'm not fond of his support for faith based organizations but can live with it.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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The desperate attempts to "invent experience" for Palin get more amusing by the day!
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Palin has never ordered Alaska National Guard to do anything
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin lied about visiting Ireland as part of her foreign policy experience
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She didn't visit Ireland, which is what the McCain-Palin campaign claimed to Politico's Ben Smith on Saturday. She had a short refueling stopover, which means at best her extensive Irish diplomacy amounted to buying a sweater and a beer mug in the Shannon airport....
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He was a community organizer Slate! How did you miss that? And don't forget he has been a senator for three years, two of those he has spent running for President. He voted present over 130 times in the senate, what a record huh? He is articulate, bright with a host of wonderful friends and associates! Father Pfleger, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi. Why the good people of Illinois didn't know who he was until he stated running for President, thanks to his illustrious term in the senate. He hasn't been home enough for us to 'get to know him.' Tony Rezko knows him tho.
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abntv1 year, 3 months ago
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A simple analysis of the relative experience levels of Sarah Palin compared to either Democratic candidate puts this to rest. For over the past decade, Sarah Palin has been involved in executive decision making at increasing levels of elected positions of public trust. Obama has no executive experience, Biden has no executive experience. During that time, Palin left off running an actual private business in Alaska, a commercial fishing business and was elected to her city council and then, in quick order to be Mayor of her home town. She did so well there that she was ultimately elected to be Governor of the State of Alaska, managing 17,000 personnel and a 9 billion dollar budget. Obama and Biden have absolutely no comparable experience at all, neither of them.
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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“Obama has no executive experience”
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But But But Obama has taken a stand that put him far and above everyone else!
Obama Co-Sponsored legislation written by Sen. Lugar to round up lose nukes around the world!
That’s a FACT!! Ya buddy! Lugar, Obama and 98 other Co-Sponsors stood up to the entire Senate! Obama was sooooooo strong that vote wasn’t even necessary.
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Wasilla to get new sports complex
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By Sessions, Christina
Publication: Alaska Journal of Commerce
Date: Sunday, May 11 2003
While the new sports complex helps fill Wasilla's need for a community center, perhaps the single greatest force driving the construction of the project is the need for an ice arena.
The drive for another arena began nearly five years ago when citizens submitted a nomination application to have construction of a sports facility put on the city's capital improvement plan. The proposal eventually made its way to the ballot and Wasilla voters approved the $14.7 million bond to finance the project in March last year.
http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-st...
Do you understand that HateKoolAid
CITIZENS of the town wanted a sports facility
The proposal was on the ballot - CITIZENS of the town voted on the proposal and the bond to finance it
But don't let the facts get in your way
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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Ding, ding, ding! Klarissa is the winner of our first round! Now, for the grand prize:
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What do we already pay the U.N., and what percentage is it of their total funding?
The U.N. Human Rights Council's membership includes China and Saudi Arabia: which rights do they violate besides college student murder (life), forced abortion (choice), and female genital mutilation (disfigurement)?
And let's see, who has veto power on military issues?
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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We pay the UN less than 0.1% of our defence budget.
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Our contribution is less than our proportion of the world's economy (about 20%).
No other country except the US has militarily attacked over 50 countries in the past 50 years, killing millions of people all around the world (Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld massacred their first million during the Ford administration). We have sponsored extensive ethnic cleansing by zionist colonialists from eastern europe in palestine (over 7 million christian and moslem victims of zionism - the world's largest refugee problem). No country whose leaders should be on trial for crimes against humanity has any business on the UN Human Rights Council.
Crimes Against Humanity From Ford to Saddam
.... If we do not limit our analysis of Ford to his role as a U.S. "statesman," and instead examine his behavior through an internationalist lens similar to that employed to judge Saddam Hussein and concerned with crimes against humanity, we find that Ford, too, was responsible for mass murder-in East Timor. The responsibility goes further than Ford's now-well-known giving to Indonesia the proverbial green light to invade. What the green light metaphor obscures is just how decisive Ford's authorization was, and how his complicity with Indonesia's crimes continued throughout his brief White House occupancy....
http://www.counterpunch.org/nevins01062007.html
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Hyper, which party has killed the most and started the most wars in the last 50 years? Funny, you only talk about the party that has done the least in both cases.
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Fess up, you only like Obanma because he loves the UN. You know the org that hates Israel?
I'm sure the left leanres here are proud to have you on thier side.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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You realize that the entire population of the State of Alaska (I used caps too, I know how impressive that looks) would not even populate a small city in this country right. All Palin has proved to me is that any mayor can govern Alaska.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Well you must have loved Rudy then Kool, after all he was mayor of NYC.
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Those in the north try this logic with the south, even those in towns of 1,500 that are every 5 miles up and down their highways. Now the Far north has become the new far south in their minds. Did you know that Alaska is populated with mostly aboriginal natives you bigot? I can’t wait to here what cute name you’ll come up with to replace Bubba for them. -
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abntv1 year, 3 months ago
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Might as well toss in the lie about the bridge to nowhere...
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Palin supported the project until it became clear that the federal funding fell 329 million dollars short of completeing the project at that time she called to end the project.-
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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Just keep sponning the facts HateKoolAid
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You do know how to use Google don't you?
But the barrage of publicity was too much for his fellow Republicans. Senator John McCain, R.-Ariz., cited the Bridge to Nowhere as a perfect example of wasteful spending. Senator Tom Coburn R-Okla., a longtime foe of pork spending, tried to shift the money to rebuild an interstate highway damaged by Hurricane Katrina.
Senator Stevens grew even more outraged: "I don't kid people. If the Senate decides to discriminate against our state…I will resign." He did not resign.
An uneasy compromise was reached. Congress took away the money for the Gravina Island bridge and another Alaskan bridge which was almost as controversial. Instead, Congress gave the money to the state with the understanding that it was not required to use the funds specifically for bridges.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/th...
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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Talk about spinning nostalgia I noticed through out your post you kept using the word 'money' not once did you use the word pork, which is what it was. If Palin didn't just "keep" the pork then what did she do with it. One thing we know for sure she didn't give it back. Knowing how much she despises that kind of pork she no doubt had it incinerated by the state.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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No, she fought like hell for that bridge money, Stevens managed to get half of it I guess then after it became a public joke she dropped it like a hot potato. What she and her supporters on this board keep refusing to acknowledge is that she discreetly kept the 'pork' she already received for the bridge ($398 million)and went into her "I'm against all this pork coming out of Washington' persona.
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh yes, and they say they don't like McCain, but Palin scares the **** out of them. I do not believe they are scared by her positions on issues as much as they are scared by the increasing possibility that she is going to be the downfall of the Big O.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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I agree Will we should either be able to know who's doing the voting on here or get rid of it.
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There are many things I don't like about the new Prop.
Wading through all the layers to find a post
The spam thing
Duplicated stories on the front page
the list is longer but many have stated them here
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hamy1 year, 3 months ago
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She wants me to be converted into a person that I am not. She doesn't believe that I should have the same rights as every other American citizen. She thinks that your kids (because remember, McCain doesn't believe that I should be allowed to adopt needy children out of our broken foster care system) should be taught the bible in public schools.
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Now if that isn't crazy, what is? Oh, Bush...right.
That is crazy.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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'Oh yes, and they say they don't like McCain, but Palin scares the **** out of them. I do not believe they are scared by her positions on issues as much as they are scared by the increasing possibility that she is going to be the downfall of the Big O.'
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Maybe they are scared of the 'strong' woman they 'claim' to support, that's why the Big O didn't pick Hillary for the VP position.
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tbkennedy531 year, 3 months ago
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This has shown to me the depths the left will go to try and get this man elected. I just hope the American people aren't fooled much longer. She has been questioned and explored more than Obama has in over a year and a half. But there is no left media bias. What a hoot.
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Nixie1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama sent a team of lawyers and snoops up ther to dig up dirt...so far they haven't turned up anything but this garbage that was easily debunked. It's obvious they are relying on their partners in the media to keep spreading the lies and obfuscating the truth.
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hyperbola1 year, 3 months ago
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Actually the truth is not hard to understand.
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Republicans born again
Palin's emergence simply confirms the final dumbing down and ruralization of the Republican Party, and its metamorphosis into a right wing politico-religious movement.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/10/republic...
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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She's been questioned?? By who, the RNC spinners, man that don't count. It has to be by reporters and journalists. You know, like the kind that have been on Obamas campaign trail for the last nineteen months. She's been questioned and explored. Yea right... LMAO!
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yeah right
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cry me a river
of those crocodile tears
from both sides all I see is a 'whatever works' void of integrity approach
I'm sure Palin is the absolute best choice for VP and getting votes had nothing to do with her choice
McCain was up against it and he knew it
so his people were like, hmmmmm, they got a young vivacious candidate and ours is old and grey...hmmmmmm
and the reverse is a mirror image
hmmmmm...they been harping about Obama's inexperience ...who should we pick for VP
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Vince Lombardi-
winning isn't everything....it's the only thing
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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Thanks abnty for making the argument that a better teacher-student ratio makes for a better education. How many high school graduates a year we talking about here, a thousand. One teacher to about twenty or twenty five students is great. That's what us bomb throwing liberal Bolsheviks have been arguing for. It took one of Gods chosen conservatives to point it out. He does work in mysterious ways.
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nostalgia1 year, 3 months ago
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"Thanks abnty for making the argument that a better teacher-student ratio makes for a better education"
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Here's some intersting stata
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pc251 year, 3 months ago
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http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/pal...
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pc251 year, 3 months ago
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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/separating-palin-fact...
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ConsAreNonGrata1 year, 3 months ago
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Of course, Fact Check also confirmed the validity of Obama's birth certificate, but that doesn't stop Cons from screeching that he is not an American citizen.
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Will13131 year, 3 months ago
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since you're into FACTCHECK....
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_conven...
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injest1 year, 3 months ago
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Here’s another one kinda funy
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http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/pal...
FTA
Yes, she did want authority to have wolves culled from the air, because they were taking too many moose and caribou. Which people hunt for food in the back country in Alaska.
No, she isn’t shooting them herself.
I mean, not that she couldn’t, but I’m sure she doesn’t have time. (Thanks to bluemerlin in the comments.)
yes, she kills animals and eats them, and wears their skins
yes, she was a beauty contest contestant
yes, she was once a sportscaster
yes, she was vetted extensively, not just in three days — I’ve got links to press reports about people coming to Wassila on 29 May, and we had her on our Veepstakes at PJM from the first day we ran it.
Yes, she want to a bunch of colleges before getting a degree.
No, that’s not illegal.
Yes, she seems to have made something of herself anyway.
No, they didn’t talk to a lot of the R’s power structure during the vetting; that probably has to do with the fact that she beat them in elections and sent a bunch of them to jail
No, she doesn’t believe in “abstinence only” education.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago
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Yup, I hope you've had your shots.
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Caught smack dab, right in the middle of republican circle jerk. Since Sarah arrived on the scene there haven't so many wither old Cheney's trying to stand up and salute, since G.W. declared Mission Accomplished.
It's obvious they haven't been practising safe sex. They all appear to have contracted a nasty case of clap of the yap.
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EVOLGUY1 year, 3 months ago
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I'm not a republican or Democrat, but I will be voting for Obama. We don't need and can't afford to continue Bush's policy's for another 4 years..
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One thing I have to say to all you people taking about Palins executive experience and her foriegn policy experience becuase of Alaska's proximaty to russia (LOL).. Lets see.. Mc Cain does not have executive experience either.. If she is so experienced, why doesn't the RNC put her at the top of the ticket.... Ohh wait she's not ready.. thats why they have been hiding her from answering questions.. ok one interview coming with restricted questions... Palin is just another radical christian fundamentalist...
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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could it be that there really IS no truly suitable experience for the presidency, but we just like to think there is to make ourselves feel better?
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Bush was Governor
budget in shambles
Clinton was a Governor too
budget was in good shape
so go figure
maybe experience doesn't effect performance as much as we like to think, because the Big Chair is the Big Chair, and there ain't nothing comparable
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Mutainia1 year, 3 months ago
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Obama's supporters must be looking up and crying, "Why, Allah, WHY?!? WHY did McCain have to pick someone wonderful like Palin to destroy our hopes of putting an anti-American, terrorist appeasing Communist in the WHITE House, WHY!?!?"
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independantthinker1 year, 3 months ago
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I support Obama. Just like him I am a Christian. True Christians respect other peoples religions. The bible does not teach racism or hate. Wonderful is not a word that comes to mind when I think of Palin. Can you explain "terrorist appeasing communist" Bush put the terrorists in Iraq on the payroll, as confirmed by CNN. The Russians and China are communists. The republican led government sold weapons to both. They established the current trade agreements with China. They have us in debt to China. Going by your statement, we already have a terrorist appeasing Communist in the White House...
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Mutainia1 year, 2 months ago
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Just like him, you're a Chrisian? Well, if sitting through 20 years of Nation of Islam looking preaching (and lying that you never heard anything anti-American or racist from Wright), and, having Bill Ayers as a friend and assoicate (lying about that as well), and, are a socialist who will redistribute other people's wealth, and, who happens to say "my Muslim faith" by accident, refuses to wear flag pens to not offend America's enemies. Hey, if THAT makes one a Christian with Obama, then, there really are many different types of Christianity in this world for sure.
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tobor71 year, 3 months ago
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Seems to be weak in specific areas for a site that promotes TRUTH,,,
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SpareChange1 year, 3 months ago
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wow. pretty shoddy stuff from newsweek and factcheck. they're both usually pretty on top of things.
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the story is very shoddy in that they don't have the rumors right.
but...OKAY!!! lets go thru these 5 "rumors" one by one.
1) Palin cut funding for special needs education.
I've never heard anything about this either way, so fine, great. Palin didn't cut funding for special needs children. no problemo. good for her. she's not the devil.
2) Palin demanded that books be banned from the Wasilla library.
Now, this isn't the story I heard and saw widely circulated. The story I heard was that during a Wasilla city council meeting, Palin asked the city's librarian what her response would be if Palin asked her to remove some books from the collection.
The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons (now Mary Ellen Baker), told Palin that the books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and that she would absolutely resist all efforts to ban any books.
and this has been verified by others who attended the meeting, as reported by Time Magazine and the Anchorage Daily News:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1...
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html
did Palin demand that books be banned? no. But did she throw it out there to see what the reaction would be? yes. which begs the question, why would Palin ask about banning books if she wasn't thinking about it and possibly intending to do just that?
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3) She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.
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this is NOT the rumor that's been circulating.
the story that's been circulating is that Todd Palin was once a member of a secessionist party. And IN FACT, he was.
According to Gail Fenumiai, director of the Division of Elections in Alaska, Todd Palin was registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States.
And besides a short period of a few months in 2000 when he changed his registration to undeclared, Todd Palin remained a registered member of AIP until July 2002 when he registered again as an undeclared voter.
So, no, Sarah Palin wasn't a registered member of a secessionist party, but her husband certainly was.
Now imagine if Michelle Obama was a member of a secessionist party. you cons would be going INSANE over it, calling her un-American or worse.
But you are silent about Todd Palin. Hypocrites.
4) Palin endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president.
Maybe she didn't, but they sure share a lot of the same beliefs.
AND...the funny thing about this rumor is that it was started by guess who?
yep, that's right. Pat Buchanan.
"It's great for the base. I'm pretty sure she's a Buchananite!"
- Pat Buchanan, commenting on Palin as McCain's choice for VP candidate.
5) Palin pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools.
Now, this is a tricky one due to the word "pushed' since as governor, its true that Palin never tried to force a creationist curriculum on the Alaskan State Board of Education.
BUT...When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gV5jvU52RD3WBfl...
so, she obviously thinks evolution and creationism are equal. which is ridiculous.
AND... curious that the newsweek article left out that very important quote of hers when talking about this point. strange.
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rhodem1 year, 3 months ago
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If you want to know the truth about Obama's momma go to : http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html
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jpbluzharp1 year, 3 months ago
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John McCain used the exact phrase "lipstick on a pig" to describe Hillary Clinton's proposed health care program.... But, Republicans are allowed to use phrases like that... and "change". They're allowed to choose a person who could serve as leader of the free world.. then not allow that selected genius to answer questions from the press. "Thank you but no thanks" sounded good in a speech until you find out Palin was for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it. "No earmarks" sounds great until you find out Alaskans under Palin received twenty times the "ear-marks) than any other state.... There's a lot of lipstick on this pig called the "change" foisted by McCain/Palin.
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HateKoolAid1 year, 3 months ago
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Excellent points 'jpbluzharp'. I knew I heard that "lipstick" remark somewhere before. Funny how the republicans are repeating the claim they represent change. I thought the last eight years of republican control were great. What's to change?? Her stance on the 'bridge to nowhere' can only be explained one way and the right wingers get livid if you point it out....she was for it before she was against it. Sound familiar?? Ladies and gentlemen, the chickens have come home to roost.
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