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Posted By hsaleem 1 year, 2 months ago in NewsPakistan's main opposition party said Friday the country could pull out of the war on terror over stepped-up attacks by U.S. forces in the restive tribal regions bordering Afghanistan.
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hsaleem1 year, 2 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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The Pakistanis have been gearing up to put an end to US imperialism in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Central Asia. Frankly I think the suppression of "terrorists" in the area would be much more efficient if the Pakistanis would pull the plug (see below) and take on themselves the responsibility of seeing that international attacks are not generated from Afghanistan and Waziristan. As the Bush administration has amply demonstrated, otherwise national resistance to foreign, western powers (who are not particularly interested in the civilian population) leads to augmentation of "terrorist" groups by giving them nationalistic support.
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Pakistan Suspends Fuel Supplies to NATO Forces
The Pakistani government is reported to have decided to stop fuel supplies to Nato forces in Afghanistan via the Torkham highway with effect from Saturday in response to US attacks on Pakistanis.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/07/pakistan...-
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Turning Away From American State Terrorism
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In Pakistan we find the complete history of the American “war on terrorism,” from its Cold War origins nearly thirty years ago to its present incarnation in the illegal American aggression in Pakistan’s Frontier region (FATA, Federally Administered Tribal Areas) and in American attempts to reignite the Cold War with Russia.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/05/turning-...-
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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Video shows US military lying about killing Afghan civilians
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On August 22, the US military reported that an airstrike in Herat province killed 30 militants and no civilians. It didn' t take long for locals and Afghan officials to dispute this report , claiming that the toll included scores of civilians. The toll rose as bodies were pulled from the rubble, rising to at least 90 civilians , a count later confirmed by a United Nations investigator . The US however stuck to its original account, revising the number only slightly to include seven civilians killed. The US has also accused villagers who claimed higher numbers killed of spreading Taliban propaganda. However, a video has emerged which seems to dispute the US military' s account and support the accounts of every other agency.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/08/video-sh...
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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June 19, 2008
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified."
He also claimed that fighting terrorism is a law-enforcement problem, not a military one (should we send the NYPD to Mosul and Kandahar?), and that the answer to terrorism is the approach taken after the 1993 World Trade Center attack, featuring conventional trials and prison terms.
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jordan111 year, 2 months ago
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America has to stop it.>>>>
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It's such a mess, and so many Americans are too DUMB to realize the implications of all we've done, I don't know if we can save ourselves! So many nincompoops are starry eyed over an ignorant uneducated woman, NO ONE can get through to them! We all might end up paying for their stupidity!-
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Bruedaddy1 year, 2 months ago
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Well, I suppose we NOT disbanding the Special Forces Unit tasked with finding OBL would've been a good start....
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I'll give you 1 guess as to who the "decider" was that made that call.
you people SUCK. This SOB president can do ANYTHING he wants with BAFOONS like YOU at the G.D. voting booth. -
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italymeetsdixie1 year, 2 months ago
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wtagg1 year, 2 months ago
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You are theorizing on how his suggestions won't work. It is very possible you are correct, but you may be incorrect also.
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Would you like to take a shot at what hasn't work in reality for the last 7 years? Much more to work with than just a person talking about what he would do. You have the opportunity now to talk about those that are allegedly the doers and what they have or haven't done, and there is a lot of promises that were never made good on. Please feel free to reflect upon what it has cost the US in lives, casualties, and resources and what benefit we have received for those efforts.
I am guessing that you will not really want to respond.
I am in no way suggesting Obama is right in his comments. I am suggesting that the efforts of the admin have been just as worthless. So now that we have an idea of what doesn't work, do we continue the failed efforts and policies or do we look to new ideas? -
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified."
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saneman1 year, 2 months ago
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And the buffoons in this country continue to vote for more of the same. I find it quite humorous when these people complain about taxes and then not complain about all the money being needlessly spent in Iraq. The National Debt went from $5 trillion to $10 trillion under Bush alone. It completely amazes me that these people can't see 2 feet in front of them. Maybe, they think they all can be like Donald Trump and file bankruptcy and still keep $billions as a result.
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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hsaleem
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You mean that Pakistan is protecting the terrorists of the Taliban and al Qaeda who invade Afghanistan, attack positions there and then go back into Pakistan? This is a just thing to do?
You and the others that think that is an acceptable solution are very foolish. If Pakistan can't keep those people inside their own border then things like this will happen. Why is it OK for those terrorists to cross the border and kill mostly innocent Muslims? -
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skeek1 year, 2 months ago
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Here are some important facts you should consider other than your myopic partisanship.
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In response to America's uninvited attacks on Pakistan's sovereign territory, Pakistan has already cut off oil supplies to imperial troops in Afghanistan. This will weaken and isolate American efforts in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is in drought and that means famine is looming. People are more likely to take up arms against US troops, not because of ideology, but because of a shortage of the basic necessities of life.
Winter is coming. Winter destroyed Russia in Afghanistan, you wouldn't want history to repeat itself.
Pakistan is nuclear armed. In addition, it shares a very large border with Iran. Alienate Pakistan and neighbours will become very close friends.
Attempt to sanction Pakistan or withhold what has already been offered and Russia will step in to fill the void. America has renewed hostilities with Russia over Georgia and missiles in Poland. Russia is strengthening ties with the likes of Iran, Syria and now Venezuela.
As you can see, there is much you should be thinking about beyond what Obama thinks, or what McCain thinks, or what Bush thinks. The question is, now that reality trumps partisanship as it always has done, what do you think?-
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Bruedaddy1 year, 2 months ago
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most if not EVERYONE does you little instagator.
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don't play dumb just to get a rise.
Perhaps NOT INVADING ANOTHER SOVEREIGN NATION
might be a good idea....
How would you like it if some came willy nilly into THIS country?
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Bruedaddy1 year, 2 months ago
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most if not EVERYONE does you little instagator.
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don't play dumb just to get a rise.
Perhaps NOT INVADING ANOTHER SOVEREIGN NATION
might be a good idea....
How would you like it if some came willy nilly into THIS country?
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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This week, he claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified."
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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June 19, 2008
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified."
He also claimed that fighting terrorism is a law-enforcement problem, not a military one (should we send the NYPD to Mosul and Kandahar?), and that the answer to terrorism is the approach taken after the 1993 World Trade Center attack, featuring conventional trials and prison terms.
Obama has also said he'd send our troops into Pakistan, although he'll withdraw rapidly from Iraq. His unwillingness to discuss the consequences of a hasty retreat from Baghdad is one thing - but invading Pakistan would be an order of magnitude worse.-
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italymeetsdixie1 year, 2 months ago
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In this same file you have justified Bush for imprisoning the "terrorists" and not giving them a trial under the guise of keeping our governments secrets from the terrorists AND condemned Obama for doing the same thing.
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I am not sure you are looking at this situation rationally or logically.
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Candida1 year, 2 months ago
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Not everybody knows; fewer than half the people do. Why is it happening? Greed. Who is gaining? Those who manufacture weapons, those who manipulate oil prices and speculate in oil, those who can take away what others have.
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I'm still hopeful that this is only the beginning of the end of the American Empire, not the world, and not the possibility for a peaceful coexistence. -
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memestryker1 year, 2 months ago
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People know it on some level. Of course, half the people are below average in intelligence, by definition, so there is that.
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It's a machine that took on a life of its own. First Bin Laden, then Afghanistan, and then the Iraq side-track. And many stand to gain from it.
Whoever has Bin Laden hidden away has a lot to gain as well, I suspect. It's about power and wealth (as it always is).
But there are plenty of bloodthirsty dictators, kings, and other heads of state worldwide, so don't think the end of Bush's tenure will end the world's problems. It's like whack-a-mole, and no country is immune. -
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Endoscopy1 year, 2 months ago
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Of course nikkibabe. We send suicide bombers all over the place. We attacked the Twin Towers and faked it to look like it was Muslim terrorists. We are in the Palestinian groups supplying the rockets and weapons for them to use. We are blowing up and killing people everywhere we go. We are coming for Sweden next.
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Foolish comment nikki -
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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Obama has also said he'd send our troops into Pakistan, although he'll withdraw rapidly from Iraq. His unwillingness to discuss the consequences of a hasty retreat from Baghdad is one thing - but invading Pakistan would be an order of magnitude worse.
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FairNBalanced1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't think that that is what she was saying ind. You know that.
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Look, her statement was to make those aware that Obama has said that he would do the same thing. There is too much in the balance here. You guys sit back and go, Oh, you better not do that!.
And I don't think that you can call it, "invading" Pakistan. a little over the top!-
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Beau78901 year, 2 months ago
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Somehow I think Obama (though he has said he'd strike within Pakistan if all other options were exhausted) would find another way to motivate the Pakistani government to give us more help.
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ind061 year, 2 months ago
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Honestly, FairNBalanced, if I hadn't thought that was what Klarissa was trying to say I would not have written the response I did. I'm not in it to berate Klarissa, or anyone else, or to twist their meaning.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "you guys" but I can only say I am a NAV, or non-aligned voter for a reason and that would be because I am not a member of any "you guys". I can assure you as well that I have yet to find myself sitting back and saying what you seem to think I said.
It would seem to me that if a great deal were truly at stake the current administration would not have waited several years before making this move, but perhaps they were biding their time and lulling the enemy into a false sense of security. I don't know.
You're correct, "invasion" was excessive, I used the word because it appeared to me that Klarissa was stating Sen. Obama was in a kind of rush to invade Pakistan. (I've heard him say he'd do such a thing as a last resort but it hardly seems appropriate to use the errors of the Bush White House to demonize Sen. Obama's yet to be realized foreign policy).
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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What the full-rights-for-terrorists advocates fail to comprehend is that our judicial processes - so dear to us - are viewed by terrorists as a means to advance their cause, to embarrass us, to reveal our intelligence methods and to perpetuate their martyr myth.
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Beau78901 year, 2 months ago
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From a leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan:
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"There is an escalating sense of furious impotence among the ordinary people of Pakistan. Many -- perhaps most -- of them are strongly opposed to the spread of Talibanisation and extremist influence across the country; people who may be described as 'moderates'. Many of them have no sympathy for the mullahs and their burning of girls' schools and their medieval mindset. But if you bomb a moderate sensibility often enough it has a tendency to lose its sense of objectivity and to feel driven in the direction of extremism. If America bombs moderate sensibilities often enough you may find that its actions are the best recruiting sergeant that the extremists ever had -- and the extremists will be quietly delighted at the civilian deaths as they know that more feet will turn to the path that leads to their door."
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=1352...
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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June 19, 2008
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified." -
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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on june 19, 2008
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified." -
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bliss23001 year, 2 months ago
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why is it so much racism in this country?i cant believe how many peopleare willing to vote for mccain because obama is a black man.people are losing homes,jobs,cant afford food,and every other bad thing.but say they gonna vote for mccain because they say they cant vote fo a black man.very very sad.
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Will13131 year, 2 months ago
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This week, Obama claimed, again, that he'd promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven't been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can't just respond, "That's classified."
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hyperbola1 year, 2 months ago
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It has been clear for some time that the bush administration failed in afghanistan. The only questions left are how many more people they will kill before leaving office and whether they will persist with starting further wars all around the world (Georgia, Iran) before leaving office in an attmept to preempt our next president.
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Pakistan orders Army to kill US invaders
KEY corps commanders of Pakistan's 600,000-strong army issued orders last night to retaliate against "invading" US forces that enter the country to attack militant targets.
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lloydm651 year, 2 months ago
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How can Obama put troops in Pakistan ,when the arguement were having right now is border violations Bush,and NATO should tell Pakistan to lead,follow,or get the hell out of the way.Just one C-130 gun ship with a daisy cutter sticking out both sides would stop a lot of this crap.These thugs go to bed,wanting to die,and they get up in the morning trying die.why are we holding back,lets send them to paradise and be done with it.
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killemall8 months, 2 weeks ago
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I hope pakistan pulls out of the war. If they are against us officially that means we can invade.
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We wouldn't even have to have a full scale invasion. Send the CIA in to blow up their nukes and we can wipe this backward country off the planet.
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