Sarah Palin: Clueless »
Posted By Bkumm 1 year, 2 months ago in NewsIn her interview with ABC's Charles Gibson Sarah Palin articulated the Bush Doctrine as President Bush's “ worldview” . Oh, yeah, she's ready for the Big Show.
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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Not afraid of a thing. Here it is:
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Candida1 year, 2 months ago
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Here is the video:
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Daniel...don't fret it. The facts do not matter to these people. This is more of the last gasp of Democrat defeat, snatched, once again, from the jaws of victory. Everyone that will vote has already made a choice. What we are hearing now is ankle biting.
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What a bunch of foolish people here thinking that the term Bush Doctrine is something concrete and easily definable. For starters it is a term made up by journalists to talk about what they think Bush policies are. The people here posting what it is are very clueless. There are 5 to 7 different things that are called this.
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Google "Bush doctrine" and learn.
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miklkit1 year, 2 months ago
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For beginners like you.
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That individual has a proven record of not being able to run a small town. She was forced by state republicon officials into hiring an administrator to run her small town for her. Most towns that size don't even have a full time mayor. and she still managed to leave it with a $22 million debt. And the high school has had it's funding cut at the same time the population was growing. Did I mention that her own children attend that school? Now that is true republicon family values!
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 2 months ago
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No doubt McCain wants to bomb bomb bomb Iran. No secret there.
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However even from the imperialist oligarch point of view, considering
the "interests" the US has in the region how can you defend such an irresponsible action? You agree with Palin (who incidentally claims Jews are sinners who must be converted to evangelical sects or burn in heck) that the U;S, should unquestioningly do whatever Israel politicians tells it to do?
This is one of the troubling facets of the Bush Cheney PNAC declaration.
Sounds like more of the same to me.
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AnteUp1 year, 2 months ago
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Ummm - you did hear what country was referenced?
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Sorry, RFE - it's a pet peeve. I think that's what has been
happening with "Our good friend Israel" anyway.
It's been a No Matter What response - like even if they
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''If you're so concerned about Palin's beliefs, here's some advice:
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Go with the Devil you know, not the one you don't know (and won't reveal himself to you).''
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I think you realize that you don't know any of these people. Do you think you can predict how Palin/McCain would govern? Especially when McCain has been on both sides of nearly every issue?
and if Obama can't be pinned down on where he stands, as you imply and have said elsewhere, how can you reject him as 'the devil you don't know'?
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miklkit1 year, 2 months ago
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Yup! It was for a park. And for a multi use sports complex. Except that the land is under dispute and the lawyers are having a feeding frenzy. And that complex was advertised as paying for itself, but has turned into an albatross that the town has to support.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 2 months ago
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The most telling answer was when she was asked if Israel were to call and say they were going to bomb Iran. How would you respond? The response was "we would not second guess Israel. " That is the most insane take on foreign policy I've ever heard. Even Bush could have hidden his ignorance better.
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I don't care what nation your speaking of, it could be Canada for that matter.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Is the American Enterprise Institute part of the "liberal communist media"? Just wondering...
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http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.15845/pub_de...
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Candida1 year, 2 months ago
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DaneL: "There is no Bush doctrine."
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I don't know whether there is a Bush Doctrine or not, but had someone asked me that question, I wouldn't have known what it was. Perhaps it's just because I want to forget him as soon as possible and don't want to associate anything permanent with his name, but it would have stumped me.
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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Boy, I don't know about that. I didn't see it earlier, my broadband has been on the blink.
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You know the usual things get you banned: being overly obnoxious about someone's religion, sexual orientation, blah, blah, blah. Spamming. Sockpuppetry. You know, the usual.
Most of the time you get a warning and a lot of the time the ban isn't permanent.
My rules for not getting banned are pretty simple:
Try to be as nice as possible while still getting your point across. Don't call people names. Report spam and don't spam others.
That's how I roll. God, how sad is that? Nothing like a 30 something short, fat, White guy trying to be "hip". LOL>>>-
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spkguy1 year, 2 months ago
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
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Beauty contestants and maps, sorta'-
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Searchbeam1 year, 2 months ago
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This is what sports fans call a "Hail Mary Pass".
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McPain thought by choosing a woman he can trump the Obama ticket and create a confusion, and he can steal the election while every one is confused! Just the same way Dumbya obfuscated his way in 2000 and 2004.
Not a chance, Johnny!
This choice is going to hurt him more than you can imagine.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 2 months ago
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If we are thinking of the same swine, I'm sure they have been whining to the propeller heads like a bunch of eight year old girls.
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No, I'm sorry, that isn't entirely correct. I know a few eight year old girls that have bigger balls.
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Dobes_Rule1 year, 2 months ago
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Are you joking Locky? Yeah, shame on Biden for having his wife die and for him having to support the family!!! What a complete ba$tard, huh?! "All he ever did was kiss them goodnight"....dude, that is way way more than many fathers or mothers do - I commmend him for being able to pull himself back up after such a tragedy and set a fine example for his children and the rest of the Nation!!! Pull your head out Locky!
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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I hear you there. I'm sure she's a fine person and I'm sure she's very intelligent.
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She just doesn't have the depth of experience necessary (or the knowledge) to be a major player in world politics. She might get there someday, but today is not that day. -
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AnteUp1 year, 2 months ago
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Let's see - Biden, living in Delaware as sole support for his newly
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motherless children could have taken a job with- say - Dupont, and
how many hours a day would he have spent with his boys??
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 2 months ago
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Thanks for getting back to me.
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I commend you for choosing to take the high road.
I, on the other hand, make it a point to be as obnoxious as possible to rude people. I’ll admit that religion is a hot button for me, but as far as sexual orientation, what ever floats the little man in the boat or puts lead in the pencil is ok by me, as long as it is between consenting adults. The only time I ever bring up sexual orientation, is when I’m dealing with a homophobe, I like to pisz off morons.
You seem like a pretty good guy to me. Hip isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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miklkit1 year, 2 months ago
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It's because palin is not raising her children well at all. She cut funding to the school they attend and tried to ban books. Her own children have been getting a bad education and it shows. uh ohh.
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donald511 year, 2 months ago
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Hey Fair, Obama hasn't said that he takes his guidance from a higher authority than man, but Dumya and now Pallin have! Obama will listen to his well selected, qualified advisors!
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Yes, Dumya hasn't needed his crony advisors and he has failed at everything... and you want more of this? Sanity check? Repugs fail the sanity check! But, repugs pass the party loyalty test! But repugs fail the test of adhering to the law and their own conscience! -
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 2 months ago
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All the "base" people seem to get charged up.
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So the future is repeating the the same old culture war slogans from the 60s?...man you got it down really good with all that practice.
Too bad it's the 2000s.
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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That woman is clueless, which is why they are sequestering her. The only reason she was picked was because she is a woman, to appeal to the women who supported Hillary, and it's actually worked on some of the more unintelligent ones.
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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It's true. They picked her actually for two reasons:
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1. She is a she.
2. She appeals to the Guns and God crowd.
That's it. No depth of experience. No knowledge base on international geopolitics. Nothing. No substance.
It's funny, you know? They picked what they accused Senator Obama of being.
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AnteUp1 year, 2 months ago
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If there is anything Sarah has in abundance..........it's drive and ambition.
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They'll have tropical weather in Alaska before I feel sorry for her!
She could have told McCain "No thank you" - and spared her child
the world view of her predicament. She could have let her deal with
it personally and on a local level - but NO - Mama's got something
she wants to do.......................sorry, Sweetie.
I don't think being with child before the wedding is the end of the world
- and thank goodness for a LOT of us - but that's the view from middle age.
I just can't imagine it feels very comfortable for a teenager trying to cope
with her own problems and be supportive of Mom - in the world spotlight.
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fsev411 year, 2 months ago
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Gotta agree with you Jovial, especially when she gave almost word for word the same answer three times when she was pressed about going into Pakistan. Obviously a canned answer that never did address the question posed.
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Grrr1 year, 2 months ago
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On a completely different topic, and sorry to interrupt but I can't post any lower than this on the page, does that happen to anybody else once the threads get this long...they just disappear for the bottom half of the page? The footer's way down there, though. Happens every time, but I've never bothered to check if it's only in firefox.
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david_nwpa1 year, 2 months ago
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I disagree with your point about her being the MOST unprepared Vice President candidate ever. One could reasonably argue that Admiral Stockdale in 1992 was the worst Vice President candidate ever. For those of you who have forgotten him, he ran with H. Ross Perot.
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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I'd just like to step outside the political issues for a second and ask everyone to keep all of the people in Galveston and Houston in our thoughts, especially our colleague MRRanchhandsir2U or, as we who know him previously, Ranchhand.
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Ike is a mean mother so let's keep them in our thoughts.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 2 months ago
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I don't know that I speak for anyone but myself (You Guys?)
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But as for me:
He is not a hack who has been stinking up Washington too long.
He promises to ensure the middle class is thriving and growing.
He will increase investments in infrastructure, energy independence, education, and research and development; modernize and simplify our tax code so it provides greater opportunity and relief to more Americans; and implement trade policies that benefit American workers.
Barack Obama said at the Chicago Foreign Affairs Council, April 23, 2007 "Our country's greatest military asset is the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. When we do send our men and women into harm's way, we must also clearly define the mission, prescribe concrete political and military objectives, seek out advice of our military commanders, evaluate the intelligence, plan accordingly, and ensure that our troops have the resources, support, and equipment they need to protect themselves and fulfill their mission."
I kind of like that.
He agreed with me, at a time when it was an extremely unpopular opinion, that invading Iraq was stupid.
His campaign is primarily financed by 2over 2 million small donors.
So it's me and 2 million other regular type Americans whom he owes his political soul to, not some multinational.
I could go on but I think you get the drift.
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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It's not how she speaks, dand, it's what she says.
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She is the governor of one of the fifty states in this great Union of ours and she has a son going to Iraq. She is also the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. Those are pretty big deals and she has NO CLUE what the Bush Doctrine articulates. None. Zero.
She IS different. She's the most unprepared candidate for Vice-President EVER.
I'm sure she's a wonderful person and a great mom. Heck, I'd even be willing to bet she's a pretty good governor. But, Vice-President? Come on.-
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simonsez1 year, 2 months ago
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I know you would like to think you have a "gotcha" moment here, but I would be surprised if many knew what Gibson's interpretation of the "Bush Doctrine" was. I have personally never heard it referred to in such a way. It was a "trap" question on his part, designed to embarrass her.
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If she were asked what the "McCain Doctrine" was and didn't know, then you got something.
Joe's comment that Hillary may have been a better choice for Obama is getting no attention here on Propeller. That says something about where his mind is.
Does Obama have a doctrine yet? If so, what is it?
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Bkumm1 year, 2 months ago
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The "Bush Doctrine" has been well articulated both by the Administration and the press.
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If you've never heard it referred to that way, don't be ashamed, because I would venture to guess that most people haven't either.
However, as far as I know, you are not running for Vice-President of the United States. If you were, I can guarentee (because I know you) that you would absolutely know what it is and that you would be prepared to answer questions on the subject. Especially if you were a governor.
She didn't have a clue.
Senator Obama does not yet have a "doctrine" because that is usually a policy decision articulated by a sitting President. The "Monroe Doctrine". The "Truman Doctrine" et al.-
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FairNBalanced1 year, 2 months ago
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Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was not a great moment for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly pouncing on Sarah Palins apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last nights gaffe.
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This isnt an easy question, Smith noted. Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.
Starr added: Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists all of these things and more have been described as the Bush Doctrine. It was a bit of a sham on Gibsons part to have pretended that theres such a thing as the Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002. -
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GLee1 year, 2 months ago
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Bkumm,
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"She is different. She's the most unprepared candidate for Vice-President EVER. "
And the same can be said for Obama. He has received his only schooling as a Presidential candidate while on the campaign trail. No one can deny this but this is what politics has led us to.
McCain & Biden = experience
Palin & Obama = On the national and international scene........ ROOKIES (One might lay these two's resumes down beside each other and do a total comparison)
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jovial1 year, 2 months ago
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She has been fully schooled and indoctrinated to make general answers to specific questions. She has a set group of answers she has to memorize. (Ha, wher's that maverick in her that every one was talking about). If any questions becomes to specific, she has been trained to give one of those set answers. This is the person people think would be a good President in case something happened to the sitting President? As far as her going in there and shaking up things, that's a fallacy as well. She will only do what McCain tells her to do. This is a shame that McCain would use a woman candidate for his own political gain in this manner. Woman all over this country should be appalled at what McCain did.
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If you really paid attention you would know that those two things are lies. She did not try to ban books. Se did not say that the war was a "task from god". Charlie Gibson and ABC conveniently (for Obama) left off the last part of her sentence when she made the remark.
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If you weren't pre-disposed to convict her without knowing the facts maybe you would look a little deeper rather than believe the lies of a biased news media.-
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dandt16121 year, 2 months ago
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Clueless? I don't think so. So she isn't the best at everything. So what. None of the other candidates are perfect or are the best speakers. She is something different to the world of politics.
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The group we have to choose from this election IS HORRIBLE but, Palin is the best of the top four that's for sure.
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miklkit1 year, 2 months ago
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That oil does NOT need to be extracted. All that needs to be done is to stop exporting it. But that would ONO! reduce profits. Since big oil is making record profits already that shouldn't stop big oil from helping out their country. Right? Big oil is run by patriotic Americans who only have our best interests at heart. Right? Any patriot would want to help his country. Right? Right?
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dwemm1 year, 2 months ago
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Lockey, if the government acquires something, buys it outright or has it gifted, it belongs to you, me, and the homeless person down the street. That's the ethics of government. If I, working for the state, sell state property for something, I go to jail and the person buying can go to jail for receiving state property. Thems the rules.
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RFE's argument is logically sound, and the check you got is from the sale of property bought and paid for by the purchasers of Alaska (including mineral rights).
Just as the gov't, in order to bail out your oil company, released reserves and then sold them to others rather than reducing the price of US oil. Your oil company gave you a check, which makes you accessory after the fact in the resale of government property.
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david_nwpa1 year, 2 months ago
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dandt, we rarely disagree, but on this issue, I have to wholeheartedly say she is simply not qualified to be manager of a convenience store, let alone a state budget (aka Alaska) or Vice President of the United States. She has not got the slightest idea of what the Bush Doctrine is, arguably the most botched resemblance of a foreign policy that has come from Washington DC in 8 years.
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Two follow-up points to my comment are simply I heard yesterday on NPR that she would consider an invasion of Russia if Medvedev does not withdraw troops from South Ossetia and Abkhazia (she could not find either of those on a map). Her state borders Russia, and I wonder if she is in favor of a cross the Bering Strait invasion.
Second, we cannot afford to alienate any more of our allies around the world. Saber rattling at Putin and Medvedev over disputed Georgian territory will not help any of our social or economic causes anywhere. A vote for McCain and Palin is, to borrow the phrase from the 1970s, a guarantee for mutually assured destruction. -
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not2needy1 year, 2 months ago
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dandt,, i used to think you were intelligent and broad minded, but your complete turn around after Hillary lost has shown your total lack of tolerance of anything that isn't to your liking.
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miklkit1 year, 2 months ago
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Get off it little man. The only experience palin has is in corruption.
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http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/09/11/palin-rel...
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Mulder1 year, 2 months ago
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Below is a quote of somebody arguing how being a mayor or a governor for a short-period of time does not equal state experience. Unfortunately for the repubs this was said by Sen McCain during the primaries.
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"I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism,"
"I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."
Who was he refering to? Mayor Giuliani and Governor Romney. Two individuals who have a tons more experience than Palin. So what does that say about Palin and her qualifications?
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FairNBalanced1 year, 2 months ago
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Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know – while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage."
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FairNBalanced1 year, 2 months ago
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It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."
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captgeobob1 year, 2 months ago
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Do you know the bush doctrine, charlie gibson didn't know it, he later admitted. I have never heard of it and I bet u haven't either. Have you heard of the obama doctrine? No? It is a simple doctrine, attack and destroy anything in the way of his conquest to the white house. Destroy honesty, destroy integrity, destroy all who oppose you.
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fempatriot1 year, 2 months ago
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Like too many women, Sarah Palin talks a lot. Unfortunately talking a lot of a good way to show your ignorance. She thinks foreign experience is equated with the fact that Alaska is so close to Russia, you can see the Russian mainland from some vantage points. And she equates her knowledge of the military with the fact that she can command the Alaska National Guard (which she never has.) Her answers are not simplistic--they are simple-minded. She's not even as smart as George Bush. But hopefully she will never be vice president--much less president.
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