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Posted By Bkumm 1 year, 3 months ago in NewsIn her interview with ABC's Charles Gibson Sarah Palin articulated the Bush Doctrine as President Bush's “ worldview” . Oh, yeah, she's ready for the Big Show.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Oink is the animal sound of the week.
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Bkumm, are you saying that the Bush Doctrine relates to one definable point? My understanding is that it encompasses several principles with regard to foreign policy. Isn't clarification needed when a question is ambiguous?-
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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Certainly, if the question is ambiguous or if one is unclear about what is being asked, then one should ask for clarification. This wasn't that way.
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The Bush Doctrine can be summed up in a single sentence:
When the United States has intelligence that suggests that a foreign nation may have intentions to possibly cause harm to the United States or it's interests in the future, the United States has the duty to preemptively strike that foreign power to prevent harm to the United States or its interests.
He gave her at least two shots at clarification, probably three before he told her what it was. She didn't know.-
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
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Multilateralism? (hard to find an example of that anywhere but it sounds good) . Most anyone would think of the pre-emptive use of military force as the crux of the Bush Policy, really the others are simply extensions of the the admitted willingness to use military force for offense rather than defense. Still regardless, I found the answers Palin provided remarkably generalized. They were obviously memorized stock lines the Lobbyists who actually run McCain's bid told her to say. I thought however there was a glimmer of something that wasn't a stock soundbyte for a micro second regarding Bush...that what she actually thought might be known and be far more interesting than the lines she had memorized.... but it disappeared before any realization.
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Sorry, she's a fine person. But world leader?
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donald511 year, 3 months ago
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lovemylibs, are you are repug in disguise? Where did you get your four points as two are absolutely wrong!
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All you have to cite is the PNAC! Which changes multilateralism to unilateralism, if that is what it takes: and ,there is no democracy goal (thi is a sham front) - just asserting US capitalism at any cost! Why do businesses have more rights than individual Americans in a Bushworld? Sadam tortured soldiers can't sue Iraq, but Bush has let foreign companies do so!
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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I think you are incorrect with your single sentence summarization. This explanation shows there are four main themes related to the Bush Doctrine:
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http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/1202/ijpe/pj...
These four themes are:
1) Preemption
2) Military Primacy
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amazed1 year, 3 months ago
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well, I think what comes to mind first probably depends on your initial mindset. If, for example, you consider Bush (and all republicans) to be either the anti-Christ or something approaching that level of evil, then the pre-emptive military strike portion of the Bush doctrine probably WOULD be the first thing that springs to your mind.
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However, if you are able to step back and take a more neutral or (dare I say it?) reasoned viewed of the "Bush Doctrine", encouraging the spread of democracy might very well be the first prong to come to mind.
And, btw, I would like to see a link to this "Bush Doctrine" -- you know, not just what some pundit says it is, but a link to the actual document of the Bush Doctrine --written out by Bush himself, or at least one of his minions.
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Are you dense, donald? That is not a Bush website. That article was written by:
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By Keir A. Lieber
Assistant Professor of Political Science, University of Notre Dame
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Robert J. Lieber
Professor of Government and Foreign Service, Georgetown University
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Spinward1 year, 3 months ago
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That's just the problem.
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The Bush Doctrine is up for debate.
It is LARGELY considered to be a right to preemptively strike if we feel an attack is imminent.
Now, I have an IQ of 148, am educated, and follow world events rather closely and, frankly, the question caught me off-guard. It's a pretty vague question. If Charlie were more fair, he would have said, "Do you degree in preemptive strikes against aggressor nations?" Then we could have heard her thoughts.
Just to make sure I was not being biased, I asked three people that work in our building, "What do you think of the Bush doctrine.. stop laughing. Ok, it's a bad question, but SERIOUSLY, what's your reply?"
1) I think it's great. Bush gets blamed for everything and I'm safe when I sleep at night, so whatever it is, it must be working.
2) It sucks. (why? - I asked) Because it violates the constitution and invades peoples privacy. I'm busy, so I'll see you later.
3) No idea. I just work here and I don't do anything else.
So, that she answered when he gave some idea what he was talking about, was fine. I would have said, "What are you referring to? I'm sure Bush has lots of beliefs, doctrines and principles." That answer would not make me an idiot. The question was a hunt for a gaffe, not a hunt for an answer. -
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lovemylibs1 year, 3 months ago
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Since you asked nicely:
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IBR/is_1_3...
Go to the google, type in "Bush Doctrine four tenets" without the quotes and look at any of the 267,000 links.
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tchef1 year, 3 months ago
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Changes like what? All they are doing is echoing current policy! Everything McCain says is something that Bush has already said. I we elect McCain and Palin all we will have is Bush's third term.
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We are not just attacking Palin for the sake of attacking her. We are showing that she is not ready for the job. We are pointing out the problems with her. You guys have been "attacking" Obama since day one so you have not room to talk. He is much more qualified than she is.
Your boy Karl Rove said that Tim Kaine wasn't qualified for the VP and he is a two time Mayor of Richmond Virginia (about the same population as Alaska) and 4 years as Governor of Virginia. Explain to me how He isn't qualified and she is? She's only been Governor for a year and a half.
Go ahead I'm ready for the negs.
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Scruffyscook1 year, 3 months ago
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You all must love Obama, and all you seem to do is trash Palin.........Get a F***KING life, when you know the FACTS then make your point otherwise keep the BS to yourselves!! We can debate this all day long but the clueless ones are idiots like you. McCain-Palin will win and changes will happen.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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Not afraid of a thing. Here it is:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA=related-
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spkguy1 year, 3 months ago
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The only thing I'm afraid of is if this man and woman are put into the white house!
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Watch this!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZxcR0E-PE=related-
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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Try this one:
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Bruedaddy1 year, 3 months ago
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Oh BS.
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you people do NOTHING but talk about how you think Obama is not " ready to lead"
Screw YOU now the shoe's on the other foot.
Obama HAS the experience, Palin has a poorly written script of TALKING POINTS.
You people are BEYOND LAME.
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sgf66711 year, 3 months ago
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Duh, EVERY vice president to date has met a foreign head of state before being elected and Palin has met NONE...........how can she stare down a foreign leader if she hasn't even met one??? I'm sure Russia was watching her interview and getting a laugh out of it!
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spkguy1 year, 3 months ago
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Sorry about that...
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Here ya go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZxcR0E-PE
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Bingo!
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That's a very scary person there. The word "deranged" comes to mind.
We need to get Barry in the White House for our own self protection. Otherwise that madman will have us rioting in the streets and being sent to concentration camps. -
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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Here is the video:
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protoham1 year, 3 months ago
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Her answer was yes, if there is undeniable proof that an attack on the US is going to happen.
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The problem is the Bush Doctrine doesn't exits except in the small minds of some conspiracy theorist . So if you ask a question with no definition you have to put your own in there. That is what she did and the Blizzard was to much for Charlie to handle and apparently for you too. -
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mre-teacher1 year, 3 months ago
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Please link me to a video or article that shows this. I would like to read them because I am having trouble finding them. The only media I have seen are the political ads, and we know both sides are going to skew the information there.
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The video with Gibson is very telling. She avoids answering many questions directly, and Gibson has to ask them again. She has been briefed in debating very well. The key is the following, "If all else fails, baffle with bull." I think she has baffled many. -
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mre-teacher1 year, 3 months ago
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Can you prove it? I have not seen it. Most of the points she made at the RNC were proven to be wrong and flat out lies. She stumbled her way through a cream-puff interview with Gibson and the conservative ABC news. Show me some proof of her intelligence. An actual link to something, not just your opinion, actual proof of her understanding of the issues, of how she will be a good president of Congress, of how she is more qualified than Biden (an actual senator, who knows how Congress works) to be a VP and deal in international affairs.
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Anyway, you should be making the point that intelligence does not matter. You are choosing, in McCain, a man who graduated 5th from the bottom in his military class. You support a president who got into an Ivy League college with a lower GPA than either of our children will get in with (thank goodness daddy had deep pockets), who's only financial success was a 1% ownership in a professional baseball team (how many S's did he mismanage?), who doesn't even understand what an "at-risk student" is (he thinks it's a student that CAN'T learn, when actually it is a student whose environment may keep him from succeeding) when his wife worked in education, and signed legislation that requires 100% of all students in America to be on grade level by 2014. That is just a few examples of his "intelligence" but maybe that was his strategery all along.
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mre-teacher1 year, 3 months ago
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Not the point. Can you prove it? Show some proof. I will take the pedigree of Obama over a communications major from U of Idaho. Show me some evidence that she has a brain then. She surely didn't show it by her political record or the interview on ABC, or can't you?
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Thank you for again, showing how Republicans cannot answer a question. Maybe God can help you..... answer my question. -
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ONEMEMPHISDUDE1 year, 3 months ago
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Daniel...don't fret it. The facts do not matter to these people. This is more of the last gasp of Democrat defeat, snatched, once again, from the jaws of victory. Everyone that will vote has already made a choice. What we are hearing now is ankle biting.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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You are obviously taking talking points and not understanding what is going on.
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There are more Polar bears than any time they have been keeping track of the population.
There are too many wolves. They are killing off the caribou and moose population. I guess you want to see the wolves starve after the population of caribou and moose are exterminated. Such a thoughtful man.
Global warming is not caused by greenhouse gasses. That has been found by studying what happens at the upper layers of the atmosphere and taking temperatures up there. There is too much turbulence there for those gasses to make a shield like the "experts" thought.
We were part of a 22 nation consortium under the UN to enforce the UN resolutions that attacked Iraq. Why does the left keep lying about that?
Our economy was going great. Lowest unemployment in the last decade until two Liberal problems surfaced at once.
1. The liberal bleeding hearts fought for and got changes in the mortgage industry that would allow many people to be able to buy a home. That created the subprime loans. They are subprime because they have less ability to repay a loan than others. Then what happens. Too many have problems repaying the loan. Oops. How to fix. The liberal solution. Throw money at it.
2. The liberal policy of NO on the energy front for many years. Drilling where there is oil, building refineries, building nuclear power plants, mining and using coal. All NO. Now crunch time has come and what is their answer to the problem? More NO's on these things that are known to help and the liberal answer for everything. Spend, spend, spend. Spend on technology that we have been researching since Carter. More money will create a new wizbang for energy. We have been working on those for almost 40 years but throw more money at it and out it will pop.
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Endoscopy1 year, 3 months ago
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What a bunch of foolish people here thinking that the term Bush Doctrine is something concrete and easily definable. For starters it is a term made up by journalists to talk about what they think Bush policies are. The people here posting what it is are very clueless. There are 5 to 7 different things that are called this.
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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mre,
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Try this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNPGnZurs1k
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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For beginners like you.
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That individual has a proven record of not being able to run a small town. She was forced by state republicon officials into hiring an administrator to run her small town for her. Most towns that size don't even have a full time mayor. and she still managed to leave it with a $22 million debt. And the high school has had it's funding cut at the same time the population was growing. Did I mention that her own children attend that school? Now that is true republicon family values!
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
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No doubt McCain wants to bomb bomb bomb Iran. No secret there.
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However even from the imperialist oligarch point of view, considering
the "interests" the US has in the region how can you defend such an irresponsible action? You agree with Palin (who incidentally claims Jews are sinners who must be converted to evangelical sects or burn in heck) that the U;S, should unquestioningly do whatever Israel politicians tells it to do?
This is one of the troubling facets of the Bush Cheney PNAC declaration.
Sounds like more of the same to me.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Ummm - you did hear what country was referenced?
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Sorry, RFE - it's a pet peeve. I think that's what has been
happening with "Our good friend Israel" anyway.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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''If you're so concerned about Palin's beliefs, here's some advice:
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Go with the Devil you know, not the one you don't know (and won't reveal himself to you).''
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but I think you realize that you don't know any of these people. Do you think you can predict how Palin/McCain would govern? Especially when McCain has been on both sides of nearly every issue?
and if Obama can't be pinned down on where he stands, as you imply and have said elsewhere, how can you reject him as 'the devil you don't know'?
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b-dub1 year, 3 months ago
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Waaa!-Waaa! Can you demo's cry anymore. Like a bunch of damn sissies.I will agree with you Bush hasn't done much for us with Iraq. So then... hey everybody lets vote for a Muslim!, and maybe next term we can just put in a Nazi, both sound like great ideas. Talk about clueless. Listen I hate Hillary Clinton like poison, but I can't question her patriotism for her country. But Obama are you kidding me?? May as well be Osama!! He talks about CHANGE? To what MUSLIMS? And HOPE? That your dumb enough to vote for him. May as well put a Burka on now and buy a Koran. We all want change! but let me ask you, change to what? The guy is a snake oil salesman, he could sell ice to Antarctica. As far as Palin goes, I'm sure she has her faults like everyone else. But at least she's not part of the Washington aristocracy. It's probably the first time I've heard or have seen someone on the ballot that sounds like your everyday real American, and I think that is what this country needs to be run by , not the Washington elite. Besides she's friggin hot! Voting for Obama because of Bush, is like turning gay because you got screwed over by your ex-girlfriend! So with that said, I got one word for you BOHICA! ...THAT STANDS FOR BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN.... THE RED STATES!!!
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Sabretooth1 year, 3 months ago
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"It's probably the first time I've heard or have seen someone on the ballot that sounds like your everyday real American..."
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"Besides she's friggin hot!"
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 3 months ago
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you vote to the right
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and that's all you need to know
so really no matter who ran against the dem ticket, you'd vote for them. I think that's what you're saying
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I'm not concerned about religious beliefs
I was disappointed when Obama disowned Wright tho
I don't know any of these people, but I would guess that Palin is the only one who might take her religious beliefs seriously. and she's facing those abuse of power allegations with getting that dude fired, so she apparently turns hers off as it suits her, like most sensible people
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mark-stevens1 year, 3 months ago
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Does it matter if she could run NASA. She wants the goverment to control a womens body, kill wolves, polar bears, not fix global warming. Attack countries like we attacked Iraq, give Bush's economy plan four more years. Everyone in favor, say aye!!!
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Yup! It was for a park. And for a multi use sports complex. Except that the land is under dispute and the lawyers are having a feeding frenzy. And that complex was advertised as paying for itself, but has turned into an albatross that the town has to support.
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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True, there was no mention about lending military help, but why would Israel even call then? It's a sovereign country that can do whatever it pleases and face the consequences like any other country. Does it need to inform the US?
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The question was not about defense but about a preemptive strike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdIni2XhBT0
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
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The most telling answer was when she was asked if Israel were to call and say they were going to bomb Iran. How would you respond? The response was "we would not second guess Israel. " That is the most insane take on foreign policy I've ever heard. Even Bush could have hidden his ignorance better.
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I don't care what nation your speaking of, it could be Canada for that matter.
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DaneL1 year, 3 months ago
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Radiofreeeuropa
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"The idea that anyone else's actions would be automatically correct and the US would lend military help without question is insane."
What she said is that she would not second guess Israel's attempt to protect itself. Nothing was said about lending military help. You shouldn't add your own take on things. -
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Bad anology. That was not what she was asked. WW1 was started because of treaties that said if one of us is attacked in any way, then we will be obliged to go to war. One nut with a pistol started the war to end all wars.
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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In all fairness, if Obama had been asked about the "Bush Doctrine" when he had just won the primary, he likely wouldn't have had a better answer.
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I think that, like Obama, she's smart and will work her way along the learning curve. She's not got as much time as he did, so she'll have to cram.-
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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As a matter of fact, even others on ABC's site describe various aspects of what has come to be called "Bush Doctrine." Her answer "world view" wasn't that far off, although it was general--similar to how Obama answered questions early on. I'll bet most people didn't have the list memorized, including Biden.
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I thought her answer about global warming was smart. She tried not to distance herself from the true believers who think science is all junk while also affirming the idea that many things contribute to it.
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DaneL1 year, 3 months ago
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"Four key themes of the Bush NSS (national security strategy) have generated controversy. First, the NSS calls for pre-emptive military action against hostile states and terrorist groups seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Second, the NSS announces that the U.S. will not allow its global military strength to be challenged by any foreign power. Third, the NSS expresses a commitment to multilateral international cooperation, but makes clear that the United States "will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary" to defend national interests and security. Fourth, the NSS proclaims the goal of spreading democracy and human rights around the globe, especially in the Muslim world."
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mesodude1 year, 3 months ago
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Is the American Enterprise Institute part of the "liberal communist media"? Just wondering...
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http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.15845/pub_de...
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Candida1 year, 3 months ago
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DaneL: "There is no Bush doctrine."
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I don't know whether there is a Bush Doctrine or not, but had someone asked me that question, I wouldn't have known what it was. Perhaps it's just because I want to forget him as soon as possible and don't want to associate anything permanent with his name, but it would have stumped me.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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Boy, I don't know about that. I didn't see it earlier, my broadband has been on the blink.
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You know the usual things get you banned: being overly obnoxious about someone's religion, sexual orientation, blah, blah, blah. Spamming. Sockpuppetry. You know, the usual.
Most of the time you get a warning and a lot of the time the ban isn't permanent.
My rules for not getting banned are pretty simple:
Try to be as nice as possible while still getting your point across. Don't call people names. Report spam and don't spam others.
That's how I roll. God, how sad is that? Nothing like a 30 something short, fat, White guy trying to be "hip". LOL>>>-
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spkguy1 year, 3 months ago
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
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BigBadJohn6661 year, 3 months ago
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Right on. I was talking with my mom and she didn't have any idea what the Bush Doctrine was either. But, as they say, my mom isn't running for Vice-President.
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And you didn't know either as 99.99% of everyone else didn't. It was an asinine question that the liberal communist media come up with.
Why doesn't the media bash Dumbo Hussein the muslim, their Obamasiah.
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dadesider1 year, 3 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
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Beauty contestants and maps, sorta'-
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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This is what sports fans call a "Hail Mary Pass".
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McPain thought by choosing a woman he can trump the Obama ticket and create a confusion, and he can steal the election while every one is confused! Just the same way Dumbya obfuscated his way in 2000 and 2004.
Not a chance, Johnny!
This choice is going to hurt him more than you can imagine.
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chuck-the-canuck1 year, 3 months ago
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If we are thinking of the same swine, I'm sure they have been whining to the propeller heads like a bunch of eight year old girls.
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No, I'm sorry, that isn't entirely correct. I know a few eight year old girls that have bigger balls.
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Dobes_Rule1 year, 3 months ago
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Are you joking Locky? Yeah, shame on Biden for having his wife die and for him having to support the family!!! What a complete ba$tard, huh?! "All he ever did was kiss them goodnight"....dude, that is way way more than many fathers or mothers do - I commmend him for being able to pull himself back up after such a tragedy and set a fine example for his children and the rest of the Nation!!! Pull your head out Locky!
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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I hear you there. I'm sure she's a fine person and I'm sure she's very intelligent.
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AnteUp1 year, 3 months ago
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Did I condemn her for being a mother?
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No I did not. But even determined career oriented moms
have chosen to make adjustments to their career paths
for a period of time - to help their children through a
rough patch. We will fight you tooth and painted-toenail
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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But the left condemns Palin for running for office because she has children?>>>
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What "left?" Who? Is it an official doctrine of the DNC? Or did you just hear a couple of people say it & get out that paint brush of yours? I'm left. I don't care if she has kids or not. I worked & raised three kids myself. And I only care whether or not she's qualified. She's not.
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Let's see - Biden, living in Delaware as sole support for his newly
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Thanks for getting back to me.
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I commend you for choosing to take the high road.
I, on the other hand, make it a point to be as obnoxious as possible to rude people. I’ll admit that religion is a hot button for me, but as far as sexual orientation, what ever floats the little man in the boat or puts lead in the pencil is ok by me, as long as it is between consenting adults. The only time I ever bring up sexual orientation, is when I’m dealing with a homophobe, I like to pisz off morons.
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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It's because palin is not raising her children well at all. She cut funding to the school they attend and tried to ban books. Her own children have been getting a bad education and it shows. uh ohh.
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Hey Fair, Obama hasn't said that he takes his guidance from a higher authority than man, but Dumya and now Pallin have! Obama will listen to his well selected, qualified advisors!
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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dumbya has. Starting with 911. And he went downhill from there. Did you see him at the Olympics? The Chinese stopped the American National Anthem early for a gold medal winner, and the camera panned on a drunk idiot (bushie)smiling and waving an American flag. Your fearless leader had to be helped out of the stands afterwards.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 3 months ago
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All the "base" people seem to get charged up.
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So the future is repeating the the same old culture war slogans from the 60s?...man you got it down really good with all that practice.
Too bad it's the 2000s.
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lml,
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Just for the record, McPain has been in the pocket of the lobbyists for the country of Georgia, and one of that lobbyist still works for his campaign. He has helped Georgia win a lot of goodies, thanks to this lobbyist.
Because of this (unholy?) alliance, it is little wonder that McPain knows a lot more about Georgia? He has been lobbied by this lobbyist at least 49 times!
Isn't lobbying just great!
Pro*titution and Politics are the two oldest professions in the world. Lobbyists are like the enablers in that other profession - usually called pim*s. Career politicians like McPain have been like career professionals in that other profession!
Twenty-six years in Senate does a lot to people like him.
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That woman is clueless, which is why they are sequestering her. The only reason she was picked was because she is a woman, to appeal to the women who supported Hillary, and it's actually worked on some of the more unintelligent ones.
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It's true. They picked her actually for two reasons:
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1. She is a she.
2. She appeals to the Guns and God crowd.
That's it. No depth of experience. No knowledge base on international geopolitics. Nothing. No substance.
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We KNOW who was really in charge for the male Sarah Palin .........Bush,
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and that was Cheney. If anything happens to McCain - who will be
Sarah's puppeteer, I wonder? Don't you imagine that has already
been decided? If you were McCain - how safe would YOU feel?
I think he kind of gets a funny look on his face when she's at the
mike - like he already knows he's being sidelined.
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If there is anything Sarah has in abundance..........it's drive and ambition.
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They'll have tropical weather in Alaska before I feel sorry for her!
She could have told McCain "No thank you" - and spared her child
the world view of her predicament. She could have let her deal with
it personally and on a local level - but NO - Mama's got something
she wants to do.......................sorry, Sweetie.
I don't think being with child before the wedding is the end of the world
- and thank goodness for a LOT of us - but that's the view from middle age.
I just can't imagine it feels very comfortable for a teenager trying to cope
with her own problems and be supportive of Mom - in the world spotlight.
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Gotta agree with you Jovial, especially when she gave almost word for word the same answer three times when she was pressed about going into Pakistan. Obviously a canned answer that never did address the question posed.
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GLee1 year, 3 months ago
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Bkumm,
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Hope you had a great evening last night.
I understand your feelings about candidates. We all have our opinions. I would think that her focus would be on McCain and her own 'doctrines' as dwelling on the past can only bring about needed change, which is coming. They have that in mind. I'm sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree on our candidates but again, I'll support my country and it's President at anytime in the future as I have in the past. We will never totally agree with everything any politician does while in office. You are former military and I have given time as well to our goverment. I am a Patriot of The United States of America and as such, I stand by my President, especially when we are at War! We are at War in it is not restricted to a couple of countrys. This war is anywhere the terrorist lead us to 'snuff' them out. Kill the SOBs where they stand. That is justice if they are committed to terror against America.
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quackpot1 year, 3 months ago
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When the McCain/Palin platform of change demands that the VP candidate take tutorials from the shapers of Bush policies, I kind of wonder about this "change".
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I'm thinking that McCain/Palin "change" refers to the small amount of change that you will have left in your pocket after another four years of the Bush economic disaster.
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On a completely different topic, and sorry to interrupt but I can't post any lower than this on the page, does that happen to anybody else once the threads get this long...they just disappear for the bottom half of the page? The footer's way down there, though. Happens every time, but I've never bothered to check if it's only in firefox.
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When the threads get this long you have to go back and hit all of those red triangles to shrink the thread to something that aohell can handle. Instead of upgrading their servers to handle the increased traffic they tried to slim down the load on the existing inadequate servers with this new format. Aohell must be run by republicons. Always cutting corners and blaming someone else.
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I disagree with your point about her being the MOST unprepared Vice President candidate ever. One could reasonably argue that Admiral Stockdale in 1992 was the worst Vice President candidate ever. For those of you who have forgotten him, he ran with H. Ross Perot.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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I'd just like to step outside the political issues for a second and ask everyone to keep all of the people in Galveston and Houston in our thoughts, especially our colleague MRRanchhandsir2U or, as we who know him previously, Ranchhand.
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I don't know that I speak for anyone but myself (You Guys?)
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But as for me:
He is not a hack who has been stinking up Washington too long.
He promises to ensure the middle class is thriving and growing.
He will increase investments in infrastructure, energy independence, education, and research and development; modernize and simplify our tax code so it provides greater opportunity and relief to more Americans; and implement trade policies that benefit American workers.
Barack Obama said at the Chicago Foreign Affairs Council, April 23, 2007 "Our country's greatest military asset is the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. When we do send our men and women into harm's way, we must also clearly define the mission, prescribe concrete political and military objectives, seek out advice of our military commanders, evaluate the intelligence, plan accordingly, and ensure that our troops have the resources, support, and equipment they need to protect themselves and fulfill their mission."
I kind of like that.
He agreed with me, at a time when it was an extremely unpopular opinion, that invading Iraq was stupid.
His campaign is primarily financed by 2over 2 million small donors.
So it's me and 2 million other regular type Americans whom he owes his political soul to, not some multinational.
I could go on but I think you get the drift.
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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It's not how she speaks, dand, it's what she says.
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She is the governor of one of the fifty states in this great Union of ours and she has a son going to Iraq. She is also the Vice-Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. Those are pretty big deals and she has NO CLUE what the Bush Doctrine articulates. None. Zero.
She IS different. She's the most unprepared candidate for Vice-President EVER.
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simonsez1 year, 3 months ago
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I know you would like to think you have a "gotcha" moment here, but I would be surprised if many knew what Gibson's interpretation of the "Bush Doctrine" was. I have personally never heard it referred to in such a way. It was a "trap" question on his part, designed to embarrass her.
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If she were asked what the "McCain Doctrine" was and didn't know, then you got something.
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As far as the unitelligent ones go, isn't that how Bush got in as well? I can't boast an education past two years of college, but damn, couldn't anyone see that coming? Going from a speaker like Clinton to Bush. I cringed and held my breath everytime Bush made a speech during a White House briefing in front of the world. God forbid we dump more money into education in this country, people might actually become more informed and start actually paying attention to whats going on around them. Any sheep that go against the herd are inevitably forced into the corral by the majority. When does it end? I wish there was a clear definition of Republican and Democrat somewhere for people to actually see all the true values and make an informed choice. Then again, would they take the time to do the research, or just make politics a genetic trait..."My daddy was a republican/democrat, and his daddy, etc."
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I'm tired of giving this out to the same folks over and over again but the Obama plans have been available for at least 2 years if your interested... but it seems that most people who ask this are the people who have sworn their hatred for anything without an R next to it so I'm not sure why I bother. McCain has no doctrine other than throwing some "lipstick" on Cheney.
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http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForCh...
If McCain's record is voting with Bush over 90% of the time, what moron is going to believe that he is an Agent of change?
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Bkumm1 year, 3 months ago
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The "Bush Doctrine" has been well articulated both by the Administration and the press.
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If you've never heard it referred to that way, don't be ashamed, because I would venture to guess that most people haven't either.
However, as far as I know, you are not running for Vice-President of the United States. If you were, I can guarentee (because I know you) that you would absolutely know what it is and that you would be prepared to answer questions on the subject. Especially if you were a governor.
She didn't have a clue.
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September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We'll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.
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Ben Smith of the Politico said the Bush Doctrine exchange was not a great moment for Palin. But he conceded that critics are unfairly pouncing on Sarah Palins apparent unfamiliarity with the Bush Doctrine as last nights gaffe.
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This isnt an easy question, Smith noted. Commentators have offered a range of meanings for the phrase, from the principle that countries that harbor terrorists are responsible for their actions to broader statements about the spread of freedom.
Starr added: Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists all of these things and more have been described as the Bush Doctrine. It was a bit of a sham on Gibsons part to have pretended that theres such a thing as the Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.-
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GLee1 year, 3 months ago
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Bkumm,
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"She is different. She's the most unprepared candidate for Vice-President EVER. "
And the same can be said for Obama. He has received his only schooling as a Presidential candidate while on the campaign trail. No one can deny this but this is what politics has led us to.
McCain & Biden = experience
Palin & Obama = On the national and international scene........ ROOKIES (One might lay these two's resumes down beside each other and do a total comparison)
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She has been fully schooled and indoctrinated to make general answers to specific questions. She has a set group of answers she has to memorize. (Ha, wher's that maverick in her that every one was talking about). If any questions becomes to specific, she has been trained to give one of those set answers. This is the person people think would be a good President in case something happened to the sitting President? As far as her going in there and shaking up things, that's a fallacy as well. She will only do what McCain tells her to do. This is a shame that McCain would use a woman candidate for his own political gain in this manner. Woman all over this country should be appalled at what McCain did.
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If you really paid attention you would know that those two things are lies. She did not try to ban books. Se did not say that the war was a "task from god". Charlie Gibson and ABC conveniently (for Obama) left off the last part of her sentence when she made the remark.
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dandt16121 year, 3 months ago
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Clueless? I don't think so. So she isn't the best at everything. So what. None of the other candidates are perfect or are the best speakers. She is something different to the world of politics.
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The group we have to choose from this election IS HORRIBLE but, Palin is the best of the top four that's for sure.
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That oil does NOT need to be extracted. All that needs to be done is to stop exporting it. But that would ONO! reduce profits. Since big oil is making record profits already that shouldn't stop big oil from helping out their country. Right? Big oil is run by patriotic Americans who only have our best interests at heart. Right? Any patriot would want to help his country. Right? Right?
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Lockey, if the government acquires something, buys it outright or has it gifted, it belongs to you, me, and the homeless person down the street. That's the ethics of government. If I, working for the state, sell state property for something, I go to jail and the person buying can go to jail for receiving state property. Thems the rules.
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RFE's argument is logically sound, and the check you got is from the sale of property bought and paid for by the purchasers of Alaska (including mineral rights).
Just as the gov't, in order to bail out your oil company, released reserves and then sold them to others rather than reducing the price of US oil. Your oil company gave you a check, which makes you accessory after the fact in the resale of government property.
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Where's that video and why is it not here?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Jbmaq4YHA
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There are more people in my hometown than the entire state of Alaska, but we didn't benefit from huge bribes from oil companies to run the city on. Actually the entire state of Alaska was purchased with tax payer money, so how is it we own the land but the money for the oil beneath it benefits only a few? Where is your check? When Hurricanes shut down oil production in the gulf the strategic reserve (which you and I own, bought, paid for) was released to the oil companies who dumped it on the global market for obscene profits. (It had a minor psychological effect, but prices still soared in the US.) Why were you not compensated? The
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reapers sold it twice.
We are taken to the cleaners. Alaska has very few people and plenty of wilderness, most of us in the lower 48 can not really even visualize such a thing. I have nothing against her personally, but she knows nothing about the national issues and less about international issues. She is willing to parrot the Bush-Cheney policies and read their propaganda.
As the McCain handlers claim, this isn't about issues, it's about personality.
I beg to disagree, I don't give a flying ****about your story, your looks, or your personality.
I want to know exactly what your going to do about the economy, the war, the failing infrastructure, the continued de- regulation that has caused the economic crisis and allowed for the loss of the 4th estate. I want to know how the constitution will be restored.
I couldn't care less if your a woman, a white , or a black What will you do?
McCain's economic plan will add twice the amount of Obama's to the deficit.
McCain voted against women being paid equally for equal work
McCain was dead wrong on Iraq
McCain's tells blatant lies in his campaign ads
Enough!
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suetex1 year, 3 months ago
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As any state employee can tell you, in darned near any state, the state is "run" by the agency heads and the legislature. A governor pretty much makes appointments and signs bills. What reckless spending are you concerned with? We need to fund the military and rebuild it. We will need to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to prevent a world wide depression. We need to fund energy and infrastructure in this country or we'll have more bridge collapses, It always amazes me that the people who chant 'Freedom Is Not Free" don't want to pay a thin extra dime and in fact want more of it back.
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The Republicans over the last half century have been the big spenders/ There is tremndous decial and they use the Faux News spinmeisters to hide that fact. The budget deficit that Bush created from Clinton's budget SURPLUS is the largest we've ever had. The biggest instance of wasteful spending is not some measely food stamp program, but the war in Iraq!
Your belief is that life begins at conception. And right now you are free to act on that belief. For the scientific facts read Roe v. Wade, written by a Republican, and it is a nuanced, carefully considered decision based on the medical science of viability. Have you looked to see what Obama's voting record was in Illinois? This number gets bigger every time I see it. In fact, he was a well-respected eight-year Illinois senator who worked, bipartisanly, to pass several bills, including an ethics bill.
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miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
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Simplicitas: Please check out this link. FairNBalanced is not telling the true story.
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http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/09/11/palin-rel...
There are other links, but I won't post them for now.
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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I would like to burst the bubble of a few myths in this part of thethread.
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Alskan oil, although drilled on American soil and carried through pipelines built on the American soil, ends up going to far eastern countries like Japan. Alaska gets a big chunk of the royalty, and even then, Sarah Palin's town ends up borrowing money for the sports complex. They did not have money to build a sewage treatment plant! This does not speak very well of sound fiscal management.
Sarah Palin's so-called executive experience extends only to appoint a guy to run the City. As far as her executive experience in being a Governor of Alaska, I have not seen any details of EXACTLY what she did in her 18 months in office. We will be better off questioning every qualification that she is spinning out. Padding resume is a very common Republican trait, and we really have to check everything line-by-line to get to the truth.
The days of free passes are over. We as a nation have suffered the worst disaster caused by the most incompetent AND corrupt government for the past eight years. I don't think we have the ability or the luxury to make the same mistake again.
To use the Dragnet line, "Just the facts, Ma'am".
We intend to check every single word there.
With the prospect of a 72-year old man getting into the office of the President, the stakes are awfully high! The phrase "A Heartbeat Away From The Presidency" takes a very serious and grave meaning. Anybody who is staking a claim to the office of VP better have the right stuff, and not just a right-wing rouge to hide some really twisted moral bearings!
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david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
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dandt, we rarely disagree, but on this issue, I have to wholeheartedly say she is simply not qualified to be manager of a convenience store, let alone a state budget (aka Alaska) or Vice President of the United States. She has not got the slightest idea of what the Bush Doctrine is, arguably the most botched resemblance of a foreign policy that has come from Washington DC in 8 years.
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Two follow-up points to my comment are simply I heard yesterday on NPR that she would consider an invasion of Russia if Medvedev does not withdraw troops from South Ossetia and Abkhazia (she could not find either of those on a map). Her state borders Russia, and I wonder if she is in favor of a cross the Bering Strait invasion.
Second, we cannot afford to alienate any more of our allies around the world. Saber rattling at Putin and Medvedev over disputed Georgian territory will not help any of our social or economic causes anywhere. A vote for McCain and Palin is, to borrow the phrase from the 1970s, a guarantee for mutually assured destruction. -
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dandt,, i used to think you were intelligent and broad minded, but your complete turn around after Hillary lost has shown your total lack of tolerance of anything that isn't to your liking.
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Get off it little man. The only experience palin has is in corruption.
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Mulder1 year, 3 months ago
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Below is a quote of somebody arguing how being a mayor or a governor for a short-period of time does not equal state experience. Unfortunately for the repubs this was said by Sen McCain during the primaries.
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"I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I've been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism,"
"I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."
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suetex1 year, 3 months ago
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When it looked like Obama might name Virginia Gov Cain as his Veep, Karl Rove criticized this because Cain had only been a governor "for three years" and "only" a mayor of a small city- Richmond Virginia! The Daily show did a side-by-side of this clip with the new Rove praising Palin's less than 2 year Governship and previous mayorship of a "9,000" population town. It was priceless. Perhaps this is part of the McCain/Palin "change" ticket- change your spin to prop up a stupifying bad choice considering the interests of the country.
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Last fall Rove set out to help dems he thought were beatable by repubs. He actually wrote an article telling Obama how to beat Clinton. Any time he speaks for or against a candidate, I'd watch to make sure his fingers aren't crossed. On the other hand, Kaine probably isn't as well-known as Biden, so maybe he was right!
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Palin has been discussed for months, although everyone seems to find it surprising she's on the ticket. I had actually started following her when I heard about her through the Ron Paul campaign. I had concluded they'd rejected her until I heard the Southern Baptists and other evangelicals talking about who they would be willing to vote for.
Not so long ago, people were saying the same things about Obama they're sayingn about Palin today, but he eventually prepared himself and now seems a lot closer to having a platform to sell.
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FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago
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Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know – while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage."
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It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."
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YOU are grasping at straws and calling out untruths!
There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine, Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.
Richard Starr, managing editor of the Weekly Standard, agreed.
Gibson should of course have said in the first place what he understood the Bush Doctrine to be and specified that he was asking a question about preemption, Starr observed. Palin was well within bounds to have asked him to be more specific. Because, as it happens, the doctrine has no universally acknowledged single meaning.
Starr pointed out that other ABC journalists, including George Stephanolous, George Will and the late Peter Jennings, have defined the Bush Doctrine on the air in a variety of ways.-
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captgeobob1 year, 3 months ago
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Do you know the bush doctrine, charlie gibson didn't know it, he later admitted. I have never heard of it and I bet u haven't either. Have you heard of the obama doctrine? No? It is a simple doctrine, attack and destroy anything in the way of his conquest to the white house. Destroy honesty, destroy integrity, destroy all who oppose you.
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fempatriot1 year, 3 months ago
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Like too many women, Sarah Palin talks a lot. Unfortunately talking a lot of a good way to show your ignorance. She thinks foreign experience is equated with the fact that Alaska is so close to Russia, you can see the Russian mainland from some vantage points. And she equates her knowledge of the military with the fact that she can command the Alaska National Guard (which she never has.) Her answers are not simplistic--they are simple-minded. She's not even as smart as George Bush. But hopefully she will never be vice president--much less president.
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mjs3051 year, 3 months ago
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Oh yeah...Sarah Palin is going to lead us into the future!!!!! She doesn't believe in Stem cell research, or a ban on assault weapons. Who needs an assault weapon anyway???? Do you hunt Moose with one??????????? No earmarks!!! Since when, since she was nomiated as a VP candidate???? Will overturn Roe vs. Wade???? Will she support single mothers who aren't getting support from the men that impregnated them???? Will she support all the children or will the taxpayers of America??? I thought religon was to be separte from State. It seems to me that we are going backwards instead of forwards!
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leese0071 year, 3 months ago
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If McCain were to kick the bucket, have a stroke etc- I sure would not want Palin to be president! I have a background in Women's studies and would love to see more women reach higher levels in politics- but men or women... they NEED EXPERIENCE!!! Her views on the Right to Choose are absurd- she wants to stop the right to choose even in cases of incest or rape? Because she has a child with down syndrome doesn't mean that it's her right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. I can't understand why McCain/Palin has a 4% lead. This is a no brainer people- our economy is a mess, we're still at an unnecessary war driven by daddy Bush's ego and the last thing we need are two inane people running this country into the ground. Even people in the U.K. are following this closely and if they could vote here- it would be Obama all the way!!!
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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Compared to Obama's early answers in interviews, I thought she did slightly better than he did overall. He was even more noncommital, had no platform, and then started embracing Hillary Clinton's before eventually becoming more conversant and identifying his own. I suspect he wouldn't have immediately known precisely what Gibson was looking for in asking about "Bush Doctrine" either.
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suetex1 year, 3 months ago
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No wonder the McCain handlers are keeping her under wraps. The hubris and arrogance of keeping the person a heart beat away from the serious press ought to be a subject of outcry from those who really put their "country first". If she is so great, then let her take on the media. You expect to "not blink" with Putin and you don't have the backbone to face down...an American journalist? Pathetic!
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FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago
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Just not true.
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No way man:
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We'll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated. -
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suetex1 year, 3 months ago
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Hmmmm- "essentially correct". As I just saw a commentor observe, Palin isn't competing on Americas Got Talent. That the vice presidential for a 72 year old candidate would be praised and spun to Americans with a "close enough" evaluation is "country last"
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hblndegrl1 year, 3 months ago
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Wrong! The NEWS MEDIA dubbed Bush's speech the "Bush Doctrine". There is no such thing! That is what is so funny about all this spin.
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slate1 year, 3 months ago
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Bush has no equivalent doctrine as in the ‘Monroe Doctrine.
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He stated that he would use Democracy as a tool to fight the Islamic-fascists in the middle east that one?
Or was Gibson talking about not waiting until we are attacked before we do something as per preemptive force?
Or was it the Doctrine that if a country harbors Islamic Fascist that they will be considered as part of the problem?
I would have most likely said the first or the second. Gibson was being smug and assumed that there was an actual Doctrine, which the media not Bush has decided what the meaning is. Gibson gave a cuddly feely interview to Barack but he couldn’t help but try and help a failing Barack camp and try fro the got-ya tack with Palin.
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epiphannyy1 year, 3 months ago
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Who cares if the media was the one to coin the term? Bush DID put it into document form and put it into practice. All this arguing over semantics is counterproductive to actually discussing what it is and the importance of it.....let alone the fact that Palin didn't have a clue as to what it was when asked, but just tried to BS her way through it.
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Its not surprising many American's don't know the details of it, but then most Americans aren't running for the 2nd highest office in the land like Palin is. There is NO excuse for her not knowing what it was. Not if she were a competent candidate for the White House that was newly defined by this doctrine defined by Bush. The Bush Doctrine, or rather the climate that allowed its creation and acceptance, is perhaps one of the most monumental change to the balance of power in our government to be implemented by Bush during his tenure as Commander in Chief. THAT is what should be the focus here...not who coined the term. Talk about deflection!
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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From a town that DOES NOT have a sewage treatment plant!
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Some sweet smell, with all the vindictive attacks without any knowledge of the issues!
Keep on smelling that whiff, my right wing friends!
Just keep an oxygen tank handy, in case you start feeling dizzy!
LOL!
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falcngnzx21 year, 3 months ago
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You WORTHLESS, HATEFUL, INTOLERANT, CONTEMPTIBLE, liberals/quasi-Marxists:
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The only "argument" you have is that you can mention "George W. Bush" after John McCain and Sarah Palin's policy on whatever.
The PROBLEM for you OBNOXIOUS DOLTS is that in 8 years (2016), your argument will comprise Dems saying "John McCain" after Sarah Palin's policy on whatever.
Then, 8 years AFTER that (2024), you BRAINLESS TURDS' argument will comprise Dems saying "Sarah Palin" after a future Republican's (Bobby Jindal?) policy on whatever.
Get it? You DICKLESS wonders are going to be out of power for the next 16+ YEARS!
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domkmas1 year, 3 months ago
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Palin? Check this out. http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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She is not against all stem cell research, although I think it should be mostly unfettered. The assault weapons ban was such a failure that it wasn't renewed. In fact, only about 1% of murders involve "assault weapons." It's just a red herring--a made-for-media phrase used by those who wish to disarm ordinary citizens and undercut the 2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The firearms listed include the most popular sporting rifle in existence, and the phyical features listed are those that make them useable by women, the frail, and people with disabilities. Obama and Biden are dead wrong on infringing on 2nd amendment rights.
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She explained that she's against hidden earmarks that are added at the last minute horse-trading sessions. I totally disagree with her view on abortion, but Obama also wants to return the decision on abortion to the states--almost identical to Palin's position.
The sad thing is that both sides will take us both forward and backwards--just in different areas. Obama would sell out our first and second amendments to the U.N., while Palin would deny legal and safe abortion to women.
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Who cares what Mat Damon,Rosie the man-waoman or any other over-rated actors/actresses have to say.The democrats are now in a panic mode and will now do anything to try to get the Obama campaign from continuing to talespin.Just look at the poles.Think Obama bin Ladin should have picked Hillary?Hmmmm.JUST MAYBE.I am a democrat and when he picked Biden that made my mind up that he was clueless and insecure.
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purpleicon1 year, 3 months ago
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We are already strapped to the gills with the military. And now we might go to war with Russia ? No cold war, no matter what ? Better get the spam and canned goods. Sounds like the Republicans are ready for more war attacks. By the way, where are we getting the money for these military aggressions ?
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mmrhe1 year, 3 months ago
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Dear USArmyretarded.....The only thing clueless around here starts with comments like yours!
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Do you understand what "doctrine" means? It doesn't have to be written in all upper case to be considered doctrine you know.
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memestryker1 year, 3 months ago
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Sadly, we've seen wingnuts on both sides spewing smears and ad hominem attacks and not focusing on actual issues or the big flaws candidates have expressed.
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Obama took some thumps for not being ready for primetime, and he stumbled before finally rising to the occasion on learning about some of the key issues. Now it's her turn, since she's a newbie just out of the gate, too. I think she actually stumbled less, and is very clear on more issues than he was early on. I also think that it's difficult for media professionals to hide their bias. Most agree with Obama (estimated at approximately 70%).
I think both are bright and capable people, and both have some skeletons. Each is paired with someone with both experience and some skeletons of their own. And each has his or her own strengths and weaknesses.
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BravoSierra1 year, 3 months ago
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The doctrine of pre-emptive war becomes immoral when taken to the extreme, or when in the hands or a psychotic with paranoid and grandiose delusions. FYI, alcoholics have both, paranoia and especially grandiose delusions of power. So, given his psychopathology it's no wonder Bush believes in this doctrine. Believing in this doctrine, the only defense any nation has against us is the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction and even that won't work if we are lead by a psychotic. So, Bush's doctrine, instead of defusing risk actually fuels it by forcing all other nations into a race to achieve the capability of ensuring Mutually Assured Destruction. Bush's doctrine itself is the fuel behind Iran's need to develop the bomb, is the fuel behind Russia redeploying bombers to South America, etc. Bush's...and Palin's paranoia and need for power and control is a great threat to the US because if forces nations to deal on the basis of Mutually Assured Destruction rather than mutually beneficial trade and diplomacy.
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USArmyretiredhard1 year, 3 months ago
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ITS SO INTERESTING TO READ SO MANY AIRHEAD COMMENTS. IF YOUR FOR OBAMA YOU LEAVE SMUT TRASH AND LIES COMMENTS THAT ARE UNTRUE. FACT IS BAD NEWS
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FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS. THERE IS NO QUOTE BUSH DOCTRINE. THE NEWS MEDIA HAS LABELED THREE DIFFERENT SUPPOSE DOCTRINES BUT LISTEN BUT NEVER WAS THERE PUBLISHED OR WRITTEN A BUSH DOCTRINE. FOOLS LOOK IT UP ITS NON EXISTENT AND YOU TRASH TALK VP PALIN. YOU PEOPLE ARE DISHONEST, CLUELESS
SELF CENTERED AND BIGOTS. IF YOU LEAVE A COMMENT MAKE SURE YOU KNOW ITS TRUE...TO LIE AND TO DECEIVE ONLY SHOWS AMERICANS WHAT IS BEHIND THE OBAMA NAME AND HIS CONSTITUENTS CONTINUALLY LIE LIE LIE NO INTEGRITY NO HONESTY
SO ALL YOU FOOLS ARE CLUELESS. THAT IS TOTALLY CLUELESS!!!!!!
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ITS SO INTERESTING TO READ SO MANY AIRHEAD COMMENTS. IF YOUR FOR OBAMA YOU LEAVE SMUT TRASH AND LIES COMMENTS THAT ARE UNTRUE. FACT IS BAD NEWS
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FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS. THERE IS NO QUOTE BUSH DOCTRINE. THE NEWS MEDIA HAS LABELED THREE DIFFERENT SUPPOSE DOCTRINES BUT LISTEN BUT NEVER WAS THERE PUBLISHED OR WRITTEN A BUSH DOCTRINE. FOOLS LOOK IT UP ITS NON EXISTENT AND YOU TRASH TALK VP PALIN. YOU PEOPLE ARE DISHONEST, CLUELESS
SELF CENTERED AND BIGOTS. IF YOU LEAVE A COMMENT MAKE SURE YOU KNOW ITS TRUE...TO LIE AND TO DECEIVE ONLY SHOWS AMERICANS WHAT IS BEHIND THE OBAMA NAME AND HIS CONSTITUENTS CONTINUALLY LIE LIE LIE NO INTEGRITY NO HONESTY
SO ALL YOU FOOLS ARE CLUELESS. THAT IS TOTALLY CLUELESS!!!!!!
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4Truth1 year, 3 months ago
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US Army, there is indeed a "Bush Doctrine," studied in basic political science courses on world politics, based on the notion that unilateral pre-emptive strikes against what are judged to be imminent enemy strikes are the order of the day. It's inconvenient that the prime example of the Bush Doctrine in action is the Iraq War--Would you please articulate the reasons we ended up in it otherwise?
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tuulehua1 year, 3 months ago
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Hook-nosed Sarah Biotch from Alaska disgusts me. She just has bitchy eyes, and sits like a stiff when being interviewed. I hope they bust her big time for all the crap she's done. You will fall hard hook nose, and it's coming soon!
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FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago
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Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.
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Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.
Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.-
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jordan111 year, 3 months ago
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In response to our involving ourselves with attacking Russia, Palin says; "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help">>>>>
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Now all Russia is going to hear is "perhaps so." Had Hillary Clinton been asked this question, she would have used her diplomatic skills' in steering the conversation away from such a volatile hypothetical. We're already on shaky ground with Russia, & comments like Palin's serve nothing more than to make that ground shakier. You know, Russia, that has nuclear weapons pointed at us? I'd have to say that Palin and mcbush are actually to the right of george. Dumb. They're dumb. If ya'll want nuclear war looming over your heads again, be sure to vote for these two imbeciles. We have a lot of 'fixing' to do in order to calm the world down after george's immature remarks and actions. We can't take any more of this hawkish rhetoric, and the world won't stand for it. -
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zaach1 year, 3 months ago
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Sarah Palin is worse than 'clueless', she's dangerous. Her EXTREME religious views are being hidden (for now). Once in power, look out. I'm a Christian but...
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What does it say when as mayor of Wasilla (pop 5,000 at the time), she FIRED the head librarian for not giving her "full support" to Palin. Palin had asked her 3 times about BANNING books, she refused. The librarian was reinstated after public outcry. BUT, what does that say about Palin.
To me, that she has EXTREME views and is willing to exercise them AGAINST others if given the power, even as mayor of a town of 5,000.
In her Gibson interview she said abortion is a VERY 'PERSONAL' decision YET she wants to take that decision out of your hands and put it into hers. I'm NOT in favor of abortion BUT I DO feel it's a personal, and spiritual decision.
This woman is DANGEROUS.
Lastly, those who want to say she has MORE or EQUAL experience to Obama. That's laughable. How many dozens, if not hundreds of interviews has he done. How many foreign heads of state has he met. Also, look at the polls in Europe regarding Obama/McCain, most are 80% to 20% for Obama.
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dkoch1 year, 3 months ago
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America is clueless about sexism. Wake up: Palin has way-more experience than Obama, who has spent his entire career as a junior senator running for office! And guess what? Palin isn't running for the job that requires the most experienced person: President. If Obama had excellent judgment, which is his sole claim to be prepared for the job, then why didn't he choose Clinton for VP? What kind of "judgment" was that? Sexism again.
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Sarah this, Sarah that... Please! Didn't ANYONE notice my new fingernail polish color as I repeatedly pointed at Charlie! I mean REALLY! All this gibberish about war and Doctrennes : I had NO IDEA that Mr. President George W. Bush had a policy for Female Doctors!! HORRAY for W!... By the way, we have at least three lady doctors up here in Alaska, you know? Anyway, back to ME! I'm off to Arizona now to meet with John McCain and look accross the border at Porto Ricco, I mean, New Mexico. That way I'll also be qualified to speak about Mexico! Duh-huh! Oops, I forgot: can someone tell me if knowing how to order at Taco Bell gives me any qualifying points? Ta-Tahs!
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hagar1 year, 3 months ago
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The so-called Bush doctrine is a creation of the media. It is an amalgamation of several policies that make up the president`s worldview. Sarah Palin asked Gibson to be more specific but he refused because he was trying to set a trap for her. If she is asked about this in the future she can say: Do you mean spreading democracy ? Are you referring to preventive action? Are you talking about our attitude toward failed states ? Are you thinking about creating coalitions of the willing?
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USArmyretiredhard1 year, 3 months ago
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THERE IS NO WRITTEN OR PUBLISHED "BUSH DOCTRINE"....THE MEDIA MADE IT UP AND I NOR ANY NEWS COMMENTOR INCLUDING CARL ROVE, BILL O'REILLY AND MY
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INDEPENDENT/REPUBLICAN FRIENDS NEVER HEARD OF IT. WE LOOKED IT UP AND THERE IS NONE. SO THE ABC FRAUD COMMENTATOR LIED....LIED...LIED
AGAIN NOT FAIR AND BALANCED. SO LETS GO BACK TO THE KKK AND GOD DAMN AMERICA PASTOR THAT WAS OBAMAS MENTOR....DONT FORGET!!
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TO HASNT A CLUE...CHECK THIS OUT AGAINST OBAMA she is 100%
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Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF.Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances we don't even know about.This is a woman used to keeping secrets. OBMA HAS ZERO!!!!!!
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I find all of you clueless! You are all probably a bunch of left over tree hugging hippies from the 60's. You want to jump on the unicorn and rainbow fairytale land which Obama is trying to sell. Palin and McCain are kick butt, get the job realists. My Jesus Christ is NOT Obama.
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I find all of you clueless! You are all probably a bunch of left over tree hugging hippies from the 60's. You want to jump on the unicorn and rainbow fairytale land which Obama is trying to sell. Palin and McCain are kick butt, get the job realists. My Jesus Christ is NOT Obama.
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I am of the belief that a leader's resume should include good education, knowledge of current events, strong understandings of law and economics and have a world view, be able to look at issues objectively, plus much more. A leader should be above and beyond, not just a mere mortal like the rest of us. With the movement towards globalization every decision made has an effect not only on a neighbor down the street but also on a neighbor across an ocean, so, one needs to be familiar with those effects and be able to analyze and plan strategically.
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Unfortunately, Sarah Palin does not remotely fit that description. She has a degree in journalism. Moreover, it took her 6 years and 6 different colleges to get that degree. She was a sports journalist for a short time. She was a mayor in a town with a population the size of my building's. She was governor of a state that has less people than my college. Her methods and actions while in those positions are questionable. She has no world view, her only international travels include Canada and Mexico. She does not have the experience or knowledge that is necessary for this job. To think otherwise is a grave injustice to this country.
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Jimjn21 year, 3 months ago
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Palin did a great job in this first interview. This was a pressure situation and she did fine. Not a cake walk like most, if not all, of the Obama interviews. She actually got harder questions and was pressed more than Obama had been when in the same spot.
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The Dems should listen as close and scrutinise what their candidates have said and look this deep into their "actual" records as much. The Dems have had a fee ride in this campaign until now.
And guess what?
The Bush Doctrine? Come on. I even heard liberal commentators saying that question means nothing because most politicians and even they all might not have been able to answer that one exactly either. Fact: There is no document or any formal Bush Doctrine. That term is media and Dem slang.
And where are already part of NATO and she is right about what that means too. If Georgia is voted in we would have to help. SHE DID NOT ADVOCATE WAR folks. But it is always a possibility. It is now too.
Some of you would have the USA Not Support a country trying to be and stay free? Where would we all be if the French acted that way during the American Revolution?
On religion she was right on as well. No matter If you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or what ever, you would hope you are fighting on the right side.
And yes, the "country" of Israel has a right to defend itself. The key word there is defend. What would you do if some was bombing this country and/or your family?
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Palin did a great job in this first interview. This was a pressure situation and she did fine. Not a cake walk like most, if not all, of the Obama interviews. She actually got harder questions and was pressed more than Obama had been when in the same spot. Don't think so? Watch them both and see for yourself.
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The Dems should listen as close and scrutinise what their candidates have said and look this deep into their "actual" records as much. The Dems have had a fee ride in this campaign until now.
And guess what?
The Bush Doctrine? Come on. I even heard liberal commentators saying that question means nothing because many national politicians and even they all might not have been able to answer that one exactly either. FACT: There is no document or formal Bush Doctrine. That is a news media / Dem slang term.
And where are already part of NATO and she is right about what that means too. If Georgia is voted in we would have to help. SHE DID NOT ADVOCATE WAR folks. But it is always a possibility. It is now too.
Some of you would have the USA Not Support a country trying to be and stay free? Where would we all be if the French acted that way during the American Revolution?
On religion she was right on as well. No matter If you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish or what ever, you would hope you are fighting on the right side.
And yes, the "country" of Israel has a right to defend itself. The key word there is defend.
It's easy to live in the relative security and safety of the USA and criticise Israel. But what would you do if someone was bombing this country and killing off your family?
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cainclan1 year, 3 months ago
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I do not believe that Sarah Palin is clueless, but I do not believe she has the experience, and or knowledge to be Vice President, and expecially not president. I would love to have her as a neighbor, best friend, a mom on any team! I don't believe being a woman has anything to do with having the ability to be a Vice President, and or President. I do feel that Sarah Palin has other responsibilities at hand that should be much more pressing, such as her daughter, and youngest son. Some jobs permit divided attention, but not V.P. and especially not President of this GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Mrs. Palin is a beautiful lady, and I would love to know her, just not as V.P. or President.
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kgraves7791 year, 3 months ago
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Okay, so let's look back at VP's for real brilliance. NOT whether you liked the VP or their politics but if they really were with it, had some real horsepower upstairs...
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Cheney... pretty smart and very out spoken, lot of brain power but might not put it to use well
Gore.....ok, manequins make him look lively
Quayle... ok, manequins make him look lively
Bush Sr... not bad for a VP, Willing to be forward when called upon and pretty good head on his shoulders
Mondale...ok, older manequins make him look, well, about his age.
Rockefeller...Once picked up a book, "The Wit and Humor of Rockefeller... not a word printed in side... enough said.
Ford...ok, manequins make him look lively. Not a bad follow on President after Nixon fiasco
So, Palin seems like a pretty good pick to me. Outspoken, willing to call a spade a spade and then kill it. Something has to change in Washington, that if for sure. -
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Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
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Some day we will know exactly WHY Palin was chosen by McPain as his running mate.
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I have some suspicions. I have seen a lot of dirty old men in politics.
I hope that is not the case here, although the body language seems a little disturbing!
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