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bigurn1 year, 2 months ago
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PC, this is a pretty serious charge. If it were McCain or Palin, it would be endlessly recycled by the press.
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However, is there independent corroboration of the charge? Once we have that, I will gladly jump on the bandwagon. The reason for my hesitation is that Middle Eastern cultures have a tradition for negotiations which we would call "haggling". They are very good at dividing their counterparts to gain an advantage. Let's make sure this isn't the case first.-
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nostalgia1 year, 2 months ago
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I read the NY Post article
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The KC Star and other news outlets picked up the article from the NY Post
According to Fox News: Barack Obama’s campaign denied a New York Post report Monday that said the Democratic presidential candidate privately tried to persuade Iraqi political leaders to stall an agreement on scaling back American troops in Iraq while publicly campaigning for a speedy withdrawal.
BUT look at this:
Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFs...
Am I just reading her comments incorrectly or did she in fact confirm that Obama asked the Iraqis to "delay"?-
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FSU92grad1 year, 2 months ago
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"Barack Obama’s campaign denied a New York Post report Monday that said the Democratic presidential candidate privately tried to persuade Iraqi political leaders..."
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But of COURSE they did.....
I tell ya....Day after day after day, you hear stories like these along and you throw in the stuff about his relations with a known terrorist, William Ayres, Rev. Wright, his wife's stupid comments about America being a "mean" country and adding that for the first time, she's proud of her country?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me....
All the quadroplegic's please stand up and clap if you are in agreement.....
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
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If he violated the law, you can be assured that someone in the DOJ would have charged him by now, especially considering how packed with evangelical Bushites it has become what with all the illegal hiring practices. Or maybe all those graduates of that wonderful law school (which scored among the lowest in the nation) simply can't read.
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More garbage, crap and lies from the GOP.-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 2 months ago
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If he violated the law, you can be assured that someone in the DOJ would have charged him by now,
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Probably not! Can you imagine the outcry if a Republican administration brought criminal charges against the winner of the Democratic presidential primary? Guilty or innocent, Obama would win the election in a landslide as the majority of swing voters would see this as nothing but dirty politics.
He would have to be guilty of a major crime (and face it, even if this charge is true, the majority of Americans have never heard of it and will dismiss it as petty) with ample evidence to prove, not to a court, but to the population, that the charge is true beyond a reasonable doubt before anything would even be attempted.-
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Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago
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So, you are saying that republicans do not hold high the rule of law? Wow, the republican party sure has hit the moral and ethical rock bottom. If he is guilty then bring charges, until that time this just seems like more hogwash and smear. I guess someone probably cried wolf about 1000 times too many.
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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That's not true. This isn't the first time DNC operatives have violated the Logan Act. Jessie Jackson, Jimmy Carter, Jim Wright, and Nancy Pelosi. All claimed to be acting on behalf of the American people and negotiated with foreign powers in clear violation of this act. Reagan, and Clinton should have charged Jackson, Wright and Carter. As to Pelosi, I think Bush should have also, but being the first woman Speaker, it would have been a devastating blow to the woman's movement. That plus if charged and convicted, the DNC might find someone even nominally competent. It's better to have a weak useless clown in that position if it's controlled by the DNC.
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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Where are your records? The press hated Reagan then as now. Where are the photos? Where's the proof? I don't want some tin foil hat wearing website proof, I mean hard evidence that a meeting took place prior to the election. The "October Surprise". The DNC certainly uses them. Bush's drunk driving records released then or the phony military report from the Rather class of creative writing.
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The release of the hostages was negotiated and secured under the Carter administration, the hostages were released on January 20, 1981, moments after Reagan was sworn in as President as a snub to Carter by the Iranians. Something else to note, Reagan permitted Carter the use of Air Force 1 to meet the hostages in Germany. Had Reagan wanted to snub him, he would have forced him to find his own way there.-
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Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago
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BB, so you also are saying that the repubs do not value the rule of law, that they just willingly overlook treason. You are not doing much to further the values of your side my friend. Basically the wimp repubs were too chicken to enforce the law or you are full of sh*t and the law was not broken, which is it?
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nthrnNYker1 year, 2 months ago
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Note that the Logan Act stipulates "UNAUTHORIZED CITIZENS" cannot engage in negotiations with 'foreign governments'. As a United States Senator, he's entitled to discuss policy with ANY foreign government in the course of his duties as a United States Senator....and there is nothing the Executive Branch (The President, the Dept, of Justice, etc) can do about it under the 'separation of power' stipulations contained within the U.S. Constitution.
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Second, as a occupied & subjugated 'nation', Iran cannot truly claim 'sovereign' status under any international norms. Therefore, even if Senator Obama DID overstep his 'bounds' in the course of his duties as a United States Senator, Iraq could not be considered a 'foreign, SOVEREIGN" nation.
Boy, the republicans are TRULY scraping the bottom of the barrel with this nonsense. They must be far more scared of the democrats sweeping all levels of government this fall than they are letting on.-
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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Actually no he's not. The Senate has the power consenting to treaties as a precondition to their ratification and consenting to appointments of Cabinet secretaries and federal judges. But not open unauthorized communications to act on the behalf of the United States. That job is reserved for the Secretary of State and her Ambassadors who do the bidding of the President. Only he has the power to appoint people to this position and the Senate must approve them. A sitting Senator acting in this matter could be found in contempt and charged with violation of the Logan Act.
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As to scraping the bottom? Kettle black? You folks sent over 50 miners to Alaska to come up with dirt. I hope when the "trooper gate" hits you have your names listed so it will make it easier for the defamation lawsuits you'll be facing. Trooper threatens someone's life and tazers his 10 year old son and the manager wouldn't fire him? I'd fire him & then charge him with dereliction of duty stripping him of his pension.-
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StillUnashamed1 year, 2 months ago
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Good post. Can you imagine the confusion if all 100 Senators decided to meet with a certain head of state to negotiate somthing? Obama was acting as a private citizen running for president, no as an official of the U.S. government.
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But like I said earlier, nothing will come of this because if the current administration did investigate, most would consider it a witch hunt. -
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nthrnNYker1 year, 2 months ago
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*** The Senate has the power consenting to treaties as a precondition ***. Exactly. And AS a member of the body that approves or disapproves treaties, he is entitled to gather all necessary information from every and ALL sources to determine his/her course of action....even if that information must be obtained via 'foreign governments'. That is power granted by the Constitution, and not to be interfered with by either the Executive or Judicial branches of government.
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Second, President Bush is abrogating HIS constitutionally-defined powers by committing the United States to obligations with 'foreign governments' WITHOUT Senatorial approval.
Now, as to your facetious claim of '50 of my people' came to 'sully' Palin with her 'troopergate', those events were set in motion LONG prior to her nomination as VP. A committe of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats instigated that investigation back in July....and Palin supposedly 'welcomed' the investigation at that time. How different it is today, huh ?
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MeaJen301 year, 2 months ago
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when did telling a foreign government to stall negotiations on a troop withdrawal become "gathering all necessary information"...that's not gathering my friend, that is negotiating! And that is NOT what a US Senator is supposed to do...
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nthrnNYker1 year, 2 months ago
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Not when Adolf Bush ties those 'troop withdrawal negotiations' with a plan to install permanent military bases. THOSE 'plans' of require Senate confirmation as required by the Constitution. Since Adolf Bush decided to circumvent the Senate with a 'signing statement' of questionable legality, Senator Obama was ENTIRELY within his rights to protect and preserve his prerogatives, his CONSTITUTIONAL prerogatives as a Senator of the United States to accept or reject treaties.
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Anything else ?
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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4thchance1 year, 2 months ago
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Get a CLUE dude. Obama who's running for "PRESIDENT" admits to using ILLEGAL DRUGS of all sorts. Pot, Herion, Cocain, you name it Obama used it, you freaking hypocrite! Cindy Mccain is only the wife of a running president. She was "allegedly" using legal prescription drugs...do ya see the difference here....I doubt you get it, do ya?
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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I remember during one of the confirmation hearings during Reagan's time how the DNC went all ape poopy over one of the nominations for a key part of Reagan's team because he might have smoked pot once. Now they've put up a guy who not only inhaled but used coke and who knows what else. And I used to think Carter and Clinton would be remembered as the worst presidents ever.
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As to Mrs. McCain, she's admitted to having a problem and seeking help. In the tradition of Betty Ford or Ron & Nancy Reagan, they fully released all medical records and openly talked about their health. The same cannot be said for Wild Bill Clinton. Once again, double standards as long as you're a liberal.,-
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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She wasn't "allegedly" doing anything. She admitted to having an addiction to powerful painkilling drugs. She stole prescriptions from her own charity and used her millions to escape prosecution. Everyone knows this except cons who only know that "Barney Frank ran a prostitution ring out of his apartment...duhhh" and other complete lies and falsehoods spoonfed to them by FOX and Lush. Do you homework before posting again. Thanks.
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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"trailerpark trollop"? The DNC didn't provide you much info before they sent you out did they? I mean as an operative for the DNC. Cindy is very well off with huge cash reserves from family businesses. She wouldn't need to steal nor rob from charities.
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As to addicted candidates or former presidents, did wild Bill ever join SA? Sexaholics Autonomous. -
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BB641 year, 2 months ago
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Hold on. You guys claim to support women but then you bash them. Cindy has been running the family business very well. She's known for her charity work around Arizona. yet you have the balls to attack her because of a script problem several years ago. Once again the libs attacking one of their support groups. Strong successful woman with money. Last time it was Condi Rice, strong African American woman. So how long are you guys going to get NOW to work with you if you keep attacking successful women?
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Sabretooth1 year, 2 months ago
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I beg to differ BB but Condi is not a strong successful women, she is an ass kisser of monumental proportions. Just curious why you felt the need to mention she was an African American woman, is that relevant somehow? Gender and race make no difference, an ass kisser is an ass kisser period.
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GLee1 year, 2 months ago
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messedupdud,
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Your whole idea of civility is totally mixed up. You 'people' are a very angry bunch. It's sad to see such a large part of our communities become so disoriented and confused. Lost is a good word for you folks. Settle down and have some class about yourself.
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Wil1 year, 2 months ago
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It would be a serious charge, if it were true.
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Unsurprisingly, it comes from a source who has no credibility, and is a known liar:
http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/16/iraq-sch...
This is just another attempt by the McCain campaign to distract voters from how out of touch he is, and how wrong he is on every single issue that Americans care about.-
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kobzikov1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually, it wouldn't be a serious charge even if it was true, because no one has ever been prosecuted on the basis of Logan Act since its passage in 1799.
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As a matter of fact, I'd love for someone to bring a suit so that it's finally declared unconstitutional.-
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 2 months ago
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Our mistake: Note to readers
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Douglas Kelly, National Post Published: Wednesday, May 24, 2006
""Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is NOT TRUE. Given the seriousness of the error, I felt it necessary to explain to our readers how this happened."
The story of the alleged badge law first came to us in the form of a column by AMIR TAHRINI. Mr. Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, has written widely on Iran for many major publications. In his column, Mr. Taheri wrote at length about the new law, the main purpose of which is to establish an appropriate dress code for Muslims. Mr. Taheri went on to say that under the law, "Religious minorities would have their own colour schemes. They will also have to wear special insignia, known as zonnar, to indicate their non-Islamic faith.""
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=6df...
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bigurn1 year, 2 months ago
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Wil, as of this morning there are three witnesses to the conversation, and they are standing by the story as true. As with the National Enquirer story, it turns out to be true.
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Senator Obama apparently committed a Logan Act violation.
This is a felony.
This is NOT a "distraction", Wil. It seems as though every time we see Senator Obama for who he is it gets termed a "distraction".
Now, will he get investigated? I doubt it. Very few people will want to get in the way of an ongoing election.
Should he get investigated? Absolutely.
Your guy used his position to attempt to impact the outcome of an ongoing election in his favor. Pretty unsavory.
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WETelevision1 year, 2 months ago
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So, if i understand you correctly you are saying that the Islamics took advantage of Osama in negotiating? Is he that stupid to get caught up in the "haggling" even before he is president? Maybe he should talk to Jimmy Carter to discuss how a democrat successfully negotiates with Islamic terrorists. Do you think this person should be the one to "haggle " with the Islamic terrorists? We should hope that they don't take advantage of him again. Perhaps it is just collaboration with the enemy ! !
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