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Posted By RedRiverJ 1 year, 3 months ago in Political News

Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association's Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment.

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    RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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    Obama wants NRA ads banned, what next sportsmen will he ban your guns next?

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      PinkyPie1 year, 3 months ago

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      He's sure tried. Here is his voting record regarding guns and ammo:

      http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=53...

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        mesodude1 year, 3 months ago

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        Here ya go, cons:

        John McCain vs. Gun Rights and Second Amendment

        "Gun Owners of America pulls no punches:

        Arizona Senator John McCain is running for President (again). He has been courting various conservative leaders in his quest to secure the Republican nomination. McCain wants voters to believe that he is a conservative… but his record would certainly suggest otherwise.
        Take, for instance, his record on gun rights and political speech affecting Second Amendment activists. Abysmal, wretched, and pathetic are words that come to mind."

        http://huckabee.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/john-mcca...

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        Dionys1 year, 3 months ago

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        Fear and Smear.. Fear and Smear..

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          ISITJUSTME1 year, 3 months ago

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          Obama is at 50% what else can they do.

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          Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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          LOL!!!!

          It just shows that the NRA is not really concerned about "Gun Rights" ... they are simply a magnet for every American who sees Government as Bad.

          Obama has no interest in gun legislation. He said as much in the debates. He doesn't want to be involved with Red Herring Hot Button issues that take his energy away from issues that really matter ... like fixing the mess 8 years of George W. Bush have given us.

          This is what I like about Obama ... he's stayed away from all these 'Wedge Issues' that divide our nation ... that divide us as people.

          "Old School" Republicans like Johnny Shapeshifter McCain try to knock Obama is this same, tired old way ... and Obama just doesn't fall for it.

          In fact, Johnny Shapeshifter USED to behave like Obama ... he USED to be a Straight Talker ... but now embraces these Divisive Tactics ... (Strategy? ... LOL!!!)

          Look, the Morally Vacant ... those who call themselves Christian Conservatives ... will say or do ANYTHING to keep Obama from being elected.

          How do we know this cabal is Morally Vacant? Because of what they say.

          How can you claim to be a Christian but who fight FOR war ... fight FOR Republicans who Lie, Cheat, Steal ... who FIGHT to keep kids from getting Health Care ... Defend those who pollute ... Defend those who commit harm to our Constitution ... ... ... ?

          See?

          The fact is, Barack Obama is the ONLY candidate talking Moral Values.

          Barack Obama laid out his whole persona in the debate ... we know that he wants to return America to it's Christian Values.

          REAL Christian Values.

          NOT the FAKE Christian Values of those who threw Jesus under the bus and replaced Jesus with a Morally Vacant Hardline Political Ideology.

          So ... keep throwing up your Red Herrings. They only work for those who already hate Government ... in other words ... they only work for those who hate The United States of America.

          They only work for those who can only see America as great if She can invade another nation.

          They only work for those who can only see America as great if She forks over her treasury to the wealthy.

          Think about it ... when all you can do is push Fear and Smear ... you really don't have anything positive to give America.

          Sad.

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            ISITJUSTME1 year, 3 months ago

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            S397 bill used in the ad is called, the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill. It has to do with civil liabilites involving manufactures, dealers, and distributors and not the banning of guns. I could not find any amendment that refered to the banning of guns. The ad is false so I can see why Obama might be upset. My mother use to say "If you keep telling a lie it doesn't make it true, it just makes it a bigger lie"'.

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              jonmaverick1 year, 3 months ago

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              S.397 deals with gun manufacturers liability when someone uses one of their products to rob, kill or maim. That is the equivalent of saying that Captain Morgan and General Motors are responsible when some drunken a$$ drives his Corvette onto a crowded sidewalk and kills somebody. Apparently Senator Obama thinks that would be OK, because he voted against the bill.

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              GehlLady1 year, 3 months ago

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              He can not hide his voting record in Illinois. I took the time to look it up. I read his remarks on the bill for people who had taken out a restraining order to be granted a concealed weapon permit. He voted no on that bill, and in his remarks he clearly stated he felt it was against the safety of the people of Illinois for anyone to have guns. He IS anti-gun ownership. If he were to say he has had a change of heart/policy since his time in Illinois, I wouldn't call him a liar. However, a liar he is.

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                Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                The first thing the Nazis in Germany did was to ban gun ownership.

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                  RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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                  Now the obama campaign has asked for partisan prosecutors to search out 'all misleading and false comments against Obama' and threaten prosecution. They are paying special attention to NRA ads because Obama does not want to face any more charges, especially the advocating of seizing all gun owners weapons. But he probably is aware that none of this will go to courts, he just wants to intimidate news media into refusing the ads. And that will accomplish his purpose too. This is the same approach taken by another famous politician. Adolph HItler.

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                    Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                    Ah yes... Adolf Hitler ... that LAST fellow that employed Pre-Emptive warfare .... as a way to spread ideology.

                    Oh wait ... I guess you could include the Old Soviet Union.

                    It's fine company GeeDub keeps.

                    Losers All.

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                    Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                    Actually ... the FIRST thing they did was to hone their skills in Propaganda!

                    They even had a name for it ... they called it "Schnelles-Boot".

                    Republicans and Neo-Conservatives call it by it's English name: "Swift-Boat".

                    And this perverted, twisted piece of propaganda is a fine example of this philosophy.

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                      mesodude1 year, 3 months ago

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                      Gun Owners of America Ratings for John McCain

                      2000 C
                      2002 C
                      2004 F
                      2006 F

                      "Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.

                      John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."

                      John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

                      The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.

                      In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.

                      For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years."

                      http://www.gunowners.org/mcgungrab.htm

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                  Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                  Except that it's a LIE, just like most everything else you ignorant shills post:
                  http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...

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                    krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                    Nope... fail

                    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.asp...

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                      GehlLady1 year, 3 months ago

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                      factcheck.org went no further than what he has said on the campaign trail. Had they checked his voting record they would have had to tell the truth. Factcheck.org/Annenburg/Chicago politics

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                        krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                        Exactly, if you check their sources it cites the Obama Campaign, big surprise.

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                        Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                        from factcheck

                        Obama, 2003: While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety.

                        In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law."

                        True: In 2004, while running for the Democratic nomination for the Senate seat he now holds, Obama indeed called for "national legislation" to prevent anyone but law enforcers from carrying concealed firearms. The Chicago Tribune, which queried the candidates on several issues, reported:

                        Chicago Tribune (Feb. 20 2004): Obama ... backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

                        "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.

                        More recently, Obama was quoted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in an article on April 2, 2008, saying "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. ... I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

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                          RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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                          Grr..........
                          Impartial? Independent? NO!
                          FactCheck and Brady Campaign in Bed with Annenberg Foundation
                          There's another possible explanation behind FactCheck's positions. Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005.

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                            RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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                            FactCheck is wrong. Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an "affirmative defense" for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.
                            As FactCheck notes, the bill was provoked by a case where a Wilmette, Ill. homeowner shot an intruder in self-defense in his home; the homeowner's handgun was banned by a town ordinance. (After the U.S. Supreme Court found Washington, D.C.'s similar ban unconstitutional, Wilmette repealed the ordinance to avoid litigation.)

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                              mesodude1 year, 3 months ago

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                              Rick Santorum:

                              "On social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain ever took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it’s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them.”

                              --like you, Santorum is a flipflopping opportunist who will say or do anything to get a Republican elected but I think it's important to remind cons of their lies.
                              http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/20...

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                            RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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                            come on over here and see who is in bed with Factcheck.org.........and see the true story on Obama and the guns.
                            http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/09/29/factchec...

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                              jonmaverick1 year, 3 months ago

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                              This sounds more like a First Amendment issue than a Second Amendment issue. If the NRA is lying about him and his position, then he should sue them for the slander. I wonder why he hasn't.

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                                Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                                But that is exactly what is going on, and why Obama is demanding the ads be pulled. Because they are lies, and the NRA is undertaking a smear campaign on behalf of the GOP, as usual. This has nothing to do with the second amendment or Obama's positions on gun control. It has to do with misrepresenting his positions with outright lies. Which RedRiver is only too glad to assist, mindless shill that they are.

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                              gwhiddon1 year, 3 months ago

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                              I kind of suspect that these tactics might backfire badly.

                              Looks like he's giving us sample of how he will treat dissenters in this country if he gets elected.

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                                Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                LOL!!! Like you care!!

                                Extremist Right Wingers are STILL cheering on George W. Bush!!!

                                Look, I know my fellow Christian Conservatives are good people ... deep down.

                                But in my position, I work with Christian Conservatives every day. They simply do not care about this nation.

                                And that's why they STILL support George W. Bush.

                                They don't care about the mess in Iraq.
                                They don't care that he LIED to get us into that war.
                                They don't care that he perverted the Judiciary.
                                They don't even care that he instituted ideological incompetence into every Government Agency.

                                Why don't they care?

                                Because my fellow Christian Conservatives have just ONE agenda for America that they truly care about.

                                Stuffing the Supreme Court with Extreme Right Wing Justices. And George W. Bush has fulfilled this aspiration.

                                That's IT!

                                Christian Conservatives don't care if our economy implodes ... if we start 10 more wars ... or even if we stay in Iraq for 100 more years.

                                That's why my fellow Christian Conservatives are so fond of using Fear and Smear ... because the simply do not care HOW they get what they want ... it's all about 'The End Justifies the Means'.

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                                  krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                                  Why are you grouping all conservatives into being Christian? There are other people in this world that are conservatives and are not religious. You make no point other than to spew your own beliefs which aren't even close to accurate.

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                                    FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago

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                                    Very well stated!

                                    krystale,

                                    Goppy/EdinbERG, Has a deep hatred for the Christian Conservative.

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                                      Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                      That's YOUR conclusion.

                                      If you want to argue with your own conclusions ... be my guest. However, don't be so dishonest as to assume unspoken conclusions and argue those as if I made them.

                                      As I work with Christian Conservatives ... helping heal their guilt for trading the values of Jesus for the Moral Vacancy of their Political Agenda.

                                      I'm a Christian myself ... not the fake kind that support the hardline, anti-children, anti-Christ message of the war loving Neo-Conservative, Morally Vacant Movement.

                                      Shame on you.

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                                        krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                                        Shame on me... I see someone likes to play the blame game. How dare I mention how you group conservatives!!

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                                      GehlLady1 year, 3 months ago

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                                      Do the research, stop hating on other people when your dealing from a position of ignorance of the facts. He can not scrub his voting record. It is there for all who care enough about truth to see it.

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                                        Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                        Who's hating?

                                        I'm pointing out facts.

                                        This story is a fabrication designed to elicit hatred and anger from Government Hating Extremists.

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                                          krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                                          Facts are far a few these days. Everything is so spun. The NRA wants people to embrace their second amendment. There is nothing wrong with them fighting for that, especially if the government wants to limit that. America is sounding more and more like socialists today. Why do you want the government twisted in your life so badly?

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                                            GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago

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                                            I got my info from his voting record in the Illinois Senate. I don't believe everything the NRA, or factcheck.org has to say. You seem so angry at Christians first, then conservatives. Perhaps I misunderstood you.

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                                          Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                          goppy, I don't understand why you keep referring to "my fellow Christian Conservatives". You seem to have a problem discussing issues other than religion.

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                                            Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                            I'm a Christian ... I talk with Christians every day ... Christians were responsible for making George Bush a President.

                                            I'm talking about what I know.

                                            If you look, I always make a point ... if you can't get past the fact that I'm a Christian as I discuss the issues ... I cannot help that.

                                            I feel deeply, passionately, sad at how my fellow Christian Conservatives have allowed themselves to be suckered by the Moral Vacancy of the Neo-Conservative 'movement'.

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                                            RedRiverJ1 year, 3 months ago

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                                            Any man what would wear a bracelet of a soldier killed in Iraq after his family asked him not to use it for campaign purposes and does it any way isn't very thoughtful, respectful and most certainly seems to be using to quote him 'JUST WORDS' to make them think he CARES FOR THEM. All he cares about is winning, he will use any tactic, trick whatever to win.

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                                              djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago

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                                              Sad thing of it is that there are people like you who actually believe the desprate lies from the Rabid Right.

                                              The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" during Friday's debate when Senator Barack Obama mentioned the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son.

                                              Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that he remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb.

                                              She criticized Internet reports that suggested Obama exploited her son for political purposes.


                                              http://www.nbc15.com/state/headlines/29864149.html

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                                          FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago

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                                          Why are you worried about this man. Its an issue that will pass. Come November 4, Obama will be back, working for the senate.

                                          The good people of America are not going to vote for a far left liberal. Calm yourselves:)

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                                            hamy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                            I am certainly not going to vote for a mealy-mouthed senator who would sell his soul to become president.

                                            Someone who has changed his views on every issue so many times that he now doesn't know where he stands on any of them.

                                            Someone who was tortured and spoke out against torture for years and now suddenly supports it.

                                            And I will never vote for a woman who feels that teaching Christianity should be publicly funded. The Constitution is quite clear about that. A woman who believes that the Earth, despite mountains of research, is only 6,000 years old. A woman who preaches ABSTINENCE while her own daughter is knocked up outside of wedlock.

                                            If she truly followed the bible LITERALLY as she is claiming to do, she would stone her daughter to death. Why hasn't she? Because she is a hypocrite. A fool. A liar. And someone who should NEVER be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

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                                              FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago

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                                              You have just proved yourself to be a crazy radical. I will not read anymore of your post.

                                              Stone her daughter to death. Please!

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                                                hamy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                It's in the bible. I didn't say it. If she feels the need to follow the bible literally, then she needs to follow it all. Not just the stuff that suits her agenda.

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                                                Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                I am certainly not going to vote for a mealy-mouthed senator who would sell his soul to become president.

                                                Someone who has changed his views on every issue so many times that he now doesn't know where he stands on any of them.

                                                Who is owned by the Chicago political gang and the unions who want to do away with secret ballots.

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                                                  mesodude1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  But many right wingers would say (and have said) the same thing about McCain, Klarissa. But you already knew that, didn't you? ;-P

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                                                    Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                    I didn't know that McCain was elected in Chicago, and that he wanted to do away with Union secret ballots???

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                                              rosecityfriend1 year, 3 months ago

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                                              Even my Obama friends have been alarmed by the news I've sent them about his attacks on free speech.

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                                                PinkyPie1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                This link goes hand in hand with this article:

                                                America's Largest and Most Radical Hunting-Ban Group Endorses Barack Obama

                                                http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=418...

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                                                  krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  The HSUS is a disguised left wing group who wants people to think they are doing good things for animals when in reality they are using the donations for their own political gain.

                                                  The AHSA is an organization controlled by George Soros. The Hungarian born billionaire whom believes socialism and marxism are the future.

                                                  Of course the NRA doesn't like these groups, they are not who they say they are

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                                                    Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                    It goes better with this article at factcheck, which explains just how extreme this particular LIE from the shills and the NRA is:
                                                    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...

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                                                  memestryker1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                  You know, I actually liked the man until he did this. Even the smarmy pretense that the recreational AK-47 is the same as the fully automatic assault rifle in the acceptance speech seemed more like it stemmed from ignorance than misrepresentation.

                                                  But Obama's website comes right out and says he wants to permanently ban not only these, but many other popular sporting firearms.

                                                  Many citizens are so clueless, they seem to be under the influence of the bodysnatchers. Will they wake up in time?

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                                                    djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago

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                                                    What exactly do you hunt with a recreational AK-47? A herd of deer?

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                                                      abntv1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                      They actually make a pretty good varment rifle if you know how to use one. There are still many areas of the country especially in the west where varment control is needed.

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                                                      hamy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                      I agree with Obama. Guns kill. Period. You can have them but why do you need to recruit new members? What do you need advertising for? People who want to obliterate animals with machine guns don't need to recruit more people with machine guns. Those people will go to the NRA anyway. It's not like there are 5 or 10 different gun lobbies and you need to distinguish between them.

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                                                        Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                        hamy - you would have loved Germany under the third Reich.

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                                                          ind061 year, 3 months ago

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                                                          Yeah, there weren't any guns there.

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                                                            hamy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            Again, you didn't answer my question. It was very direct. Why does the NRA need commercials? Why do they need commercials on television to recruit new members? Gun toting fools will find them because they need them. People who don't feel the need to shoot squirrels with an RPG really aren't going to be convinced to do so by an ad.

                                                            Why would they need those ads Klarissa?

                                                            Oh, and I didn't fall for Bush's propaganda like you did. I guess I would have been gassed in Germany.

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                                                            Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            we have to do away with kitchen knives, and the worst killer of them all, automobiles.

                                                            It is the person behind the weapon, not the weapon.

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                                                              hamy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              Again, you didn't answer my question. It was very direct. Why does the NRA need commercials? Why do they need commercials on television to recruit new members? Gun toting fools will find them because they need them. People who don't feel the need to shoot squirrels with an RPG really aren't going to be convinced to do so by an ad.

                                                              Why would they need those ads Klarissa?

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                                                            Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            Except he didn't. It's all BS.
                                                            http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...

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                                                          moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                          SUICIDE. NRA needs to address the increase in the number of shotgun suicides by white men. The numbers are rising yet the NRA never addresses this issues. In my area there have been 3 shotgun suicides comitted by white men who were hunters. NRA should be a responsible organization and find out why their members or potential members are killing themselves with the guns they are trying to protect.

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                                                            FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                            If someone wants to kill themselves they will find a way to do it.

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                                                              moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              NRA should have postion on suicide by shotguns. All they do is promote gun use and hunting. When people kill themsleves and others with guns they are promoting they should at least have the courage to have a response to the problem. Saying if people want to kill themselves they will is too simple.

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                                                              riker91101 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              Half the weapons purchased Illegally has nothing to do with NRA even more died on the streets of chicago through illegally bought firearms are we to blame the NRA for that to

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                                                                Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                just look at the District of Columbia.

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                                                                  Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  Right ... the District of Columbia wanted to protect their citizens with a common sense law to curb violence.

                                                                  The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT told them they could not.

                                                                  When I was growing up ... Republicans believed that the Federal Government should keep their noses out of State and City affairs.

                                                                  But the NEO-CONSERVATIVES have a different agenda ... which my fellow Conservatives either have not figured out ... or simply don't care that the Neo-Conservative Ideology has perverted Traditional Republican Values.

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                                                              not2needy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                              My Dad was a hard core democrat, he had several guns, but not once did i feel that he had an obsession with guns.
                                                              What is it with republicans and their obsession with guns, war and killing? You all are downright eerie!

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                                                                FairNBalanced1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                And as a liberal, a person that supports free speech, what do you think about the article that says Obama is trying to silence free speech?

                                                                That is the topic at hand...

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                                                                  Dionys1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  "And as a liberal, a person that supports free speech, what do you think about the article that says Obama is trying to silence free speech?

                                                                  That is the topic at hand..."

                                                                  Is it? Or is it about an organization like the NRA trying to wiggle around election law and monetary limits set by law? There's a Repugnant Con in our state trying to get certain 'ads' banned because he feels that it violates election law. I support that lawsuit.

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                                                                    Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    You can't seriously believe that the NRA would do anything politically underhanded to promote their own extremist agenda ... DO YOU Dionys?

                                                                    Like you say ... these fellows are the Masters of FEAR and SMEAR.

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                                                                    Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    You mean this LIE you are promulgating?
                                                                    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...
                                                                    Wake up, moron.

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                                                                    Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    Pelosi did - no cell phones in the discussion.

                                                                    I guess Obama would have a hard time talking to anyone in there to make sure his views were heard.

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                                                                  PatrioticAmerican1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                  so it is the NRAs fault that people who own Shotguns and cant handle the real world anymore take the cowards way out and just happen to use the gun the own to kill themselves ????? so is it the NRAs fault when a vicious evil person uses a gun to rob or kill someone ???? or should it be the person take blame for what they do with the gun they own???? how about acutally keeping the murders in jail or better yet actually killing them if they get the death sentence,and realizing that it is not the NRAs fault if someone is too much of a coward to deal with life and thinks its better to kill themselves and destroy their family in the process.

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                                                                    PatrioticAmerican1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                    so it is the NRAs fault that people who own Shotguns and cant handle the real world anymore take the cowards way out and just happen to use the gun the own to kill themselves ????? so is it the NRAs fault when a vicious evil person uses a gun to rob or kill someone ???? or should it be the person take blame for what they do with the gun they own???? how about acutally keeping the murders in jail or better yet actually killing them if they get the death sentence,and realizing that it is not the NRAs fault if someone is too much of a coward to deal with life and thinks its better to kill themselves and destroy their family in the process.

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                                                                      moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      No one blamed the NRA for suicides. NRA SHOULD have suicides by shotgun part of their policy agenda. They are promoting something (a gun) that has the potential to kill a human being. They do not address the deadly consequences of the guns they promote.

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                                                                        PatrioticAmerican1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        a gun does not kill unless someone pulls the trigger

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                                                                          moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 2 months ago

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                                                                          Guns aren't members in NRA people who pull the triggers are.

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                                                                      PatrioticAmerican1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                      oops dbl post sry

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                                                                        cloud151 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                        I didn't prop this story.....yet it says I did. hmmmm

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                                                                          Jayson1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                          Obama and his anti gun ownership supporters will have a tougher time with this thanks to the recent Supreme Court ruling.

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                                                                            djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                            Obama said that there are "two realities about guns" in the United States, one including lawful gun owners, hunters, and sportsmen and a second that involves the flow of illegal handguns and automatic weapons into cities such as Philadelphia, where they are used by "teenage gang-bangers."

                                                                            "Surely, we can come up with a system that protects lawful gun-owners, but at the same time tries to do something about kids getting shot," he said. "That is, I think, the job of the president is to reconcile this tradition of gun ownership in this country, with some basic public safety concerns.

                                                                            "The bottom line is this: You got a rifle, you got a shotgun, you got a gun in your house, I'm not taking it away," Obama said. "They can keep on talking about it, but it's just not true."

                                                                            Why do Ya'll Republican want to keep guns in the hands of Gangs and Gang-bangers?

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                                                                              krystaleahs1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                              What Obama used to say about banning handguns and now says about our second amendment rights are two different things. I wonder if he'll make up his mind to take away our guns or not. If he does, the only ones having the guns are the gangbangers. So think about that.

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                                                                                Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                djn, the article goes on to say (you left it out)

                                                                                Chicago Tribune (Feb. 20 2004): Obama ... backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

                                                                                "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.

                                                                                More recently, Obama was quoted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in an article on April 2, 2008, saying "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. ... I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

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                                                                              PainGoddess1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                              What.... ban free speech?
                                                                              Cannot do....

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                                                                                Grrr1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                ALL LIES.
                                                                                http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...

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                                                                                kargus1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                Obama said that there are "two realities about guns" in the United States, one including lawful gun owners, hunters, and sportsmen and a second that involves the flow of illegal handguns and automatic weapons into cities such as Philadelphia, where they are used by "teenage gang-bangers."

                                                                                "Surely, we can come up with a system that protects lawful gun-owners, but at the same time tries to do something about kids getting shot," he said. "That is, I think, the job of the president is to reconcile this tradition of gun ownership in this country, with some basic public safety concerns.

                                                                                "The bottom line is this: You got a rifle, you got a shotgun, you got a gun in your house, I'm not taking it away," Obama said. "They can keep on talking about it, but it's just not true."

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                                                                                  Goppy1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                  Right ... but the Propagandists ... the America Haters ... the Divisive Ones ... are going to keep pushing this issue ...

                                                                                  Why?

                                                                                  They hope to make votes for the least sophisticated, uneducated among our citizenry ...

                                                                                  It's a calculated effort to gain every possible vote.

                                                                                  But of course, it only highlights the Moral Vacancy that is the Modern Neo-Conservative .... and their supporters ... who defend a president who LIES to go to war ... and who makes every effort to politicize our Judiciary.

                                                                                  Can Obama heal these wounds perpetrated by these Extremist Right Wing Haters?

                                                                                  I don't know.

                                                                                  But I DO know that Johnny McCain will only continue to use these methods to gain and maintain power.

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                                                                                  kargus1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                  Obama said that there are "two realities about guns" in the United States, one including lawful gun owners, hunters, and sportsmen and a second that involves the flow of illegal handguns and automatic weapons into cities such as Philadelphia, where they are used by "teenage gang-bangers."

                                                                                  "Surely, we can come up with a system that protects lawful gun-owners, but at the same time tries to do something about kids getting shot," he said. "That is, I think, the job of the president is to reconcile this tradition of gun ownership in this country, with some basic public safety concerns.

                                                                                  "The bottom line is this: You got a rifle, you got a shotgun, you got a gun in your house, I'm not taking it away," Obama said. "They can keep on talking about it, but it's just not true."

                                                                                  That statement should clear up this non issue...

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                                                                                    Klarissa1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                    and finish quoting the article

                                                                                    Chicago Tribune (Feb. 20 2004): Obama ... backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

                                                                                    "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.

                                                                                    More recently, Obama was quoted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in an article on April 2, 2008, saying "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. ... I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

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                                                                                    jonmaverick1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                    Q: What do you call an unloaded rifle?
                                                                                    A: A stick.

                                                                                    Q: What do you call an unloaded handgun?
                                                                                    A: A rock.

                                                                                    My point is, no politician has to take guns away to render them useless. In the last five years, I have watched ammunition prices double. Now, reloading supplies have caught up to that increase. Gasoline prices have also doubled in the last five years, and EVERYBODY is upset about that.
                                                                                    The problem I see is: When guns and ammunition are so expensive that the average citizen won't want them, the criminals will still see them as necessary tools of their trade. Just like truck drivers who are forced to pay exorbitant fuel prices or stay home.
                                                                                    Violent crime isn't about guns, it's about people. If the government plans to legislate morality, then we have a problem that only guns will fix.

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                                                                                      DaneL1 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                      Just remember the 2nd Amendment guarantees all the other Amendments and 0bama is will start with the first and second Amendments. To reinstate the so-called assault weapons ban is a joke. Assualt weapons were banned in the 1934 national firearms act. They only want to ban guns that look like assault weapons. And he will do away with your right to carry a concealed weapon. There is no way I would ever vote for 0bama.

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                                                                                        lloydm651 year, 3 months ago

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                                                                                        Wow every time Obama screws up somebody else is blamed.Reminds me of the Clintons,and if Bill's girlfriend had used an apron they would have got away with it.Hillary said it didn't happen,and when pressed by a reported she said if it proved to be true there would be hell to pay.Well the blue dress came back from lab.proving the allegations were fact.Who did that witch blame,none other than the vast right wing extremist.I guess a republican dragged her fat butt into the oval office,while another forced them to do the nasty.

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                                                                                          Zuzlan0011 year, 1 month ago

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                                                                                          Obama said that there are "two realities about guns" in the United States, one including lawful gun owners, hunters, and sportsmen and a second that involves the flow of illegal handguns and automatic weapons into cities such as Philadelphia, where they are used by "teenage gang-bangers.

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