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PinkyPie1 year, 2 months ago
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He's sure tried. Here is his voting record regarding guns and ammo:
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http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=53...-
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Here ya go, cons:
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John McCain vs. Gun Rights and Second Amendment
"Gun Owners of America pulls no punches:
Arizona Senator John McCain is running for President (again). He has been courting various conservative leaders in his quest to secure the Republican nomination. McCain wants voters to believe that he is a conservative… but his record would certainly suggest otherwise.
Take, for instance, his record on gun rights and political speech affecting Second Amendment activists. Abysmal, wretched, and pathetic are words that come to mind."
http://huckabee.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/john-mcca...
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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LOL!!!!
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It just shows that the NRA is not really concerned about "Gun Rights" ... they are simply a magnet for every American who sees Government as Bad.
Obama has no interest in gun legislation. He said as much in the debates. He doesn't want to be involved with Red Herring Hot Button issues that take his energy away from issues that really matter ... like fixing the mess 8 years of George W. Bush have given us.
This is what I like about Obama ... he's stayed away from all these 'Wedge Issues' that divide our nation ... that divide us as people.
"Old School" Republicans like Johnny Shapeshifter McCain try to knock Obama is this same, tired old way ... and Obama just doesn't fall for it.
In fact, Johnny Shapeshifter USED to behave like Obama ... he USED to be a Straight Talker ... but now embraces these Divisive Tactics ... (Strategy? ... LOL!!!)
Look, the Morally Vacant ... those who call themselves Christian Conservatives ... will say or do ANYTHING to keep Obama from being elected.
How do we know this cabal is Morally Vacant? Because of what they say.
How can you claim to be a Christian but who fight FOR war ... fight FOR Republicans who Lie, Cheat, Steal ... who FIGHT to keep kids from getting Health Care ... Defend those who pollute ... Defend those who commit harm to our Constitution ... ... ... ?
See?
The fact is, Barack Obama is the ONLY candidate talking Moral Values.
Barack Obama laid out his whole persona in the debate ... we know that he wants to return America to it's Christian Values.
REAL Christian Values.
NOT the FAKE Christian Values of those who threw Jesus under the bus and replaced Jesus with a Morally Vacant Hardline Political Ideology.
So ... keep throwing up your Red Herrings. They only work for those who already hate Government ... in other words ... they only work for those who hate The United States of America.
They only work for those who can only see America as great if She can invade another nation.
They only work for those who can only see America as great if She forks over her treasury to the wealthy.
Think about it ... when all you can do is push Fear and Smear ... you really don't have anything positive to give America.
Sad.
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ISITJUSTME1 year, 2 months ago
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S397 bill used in the ad is called, the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill. It has to do with civil liabilites involving manufactures, dealers, and distributors and not the banning of guns. I could not find any amendment that refered to the banning of guns. The ad is false so I can see why Obama might be upset. My mother use to say "If you keep telling a lie it doesn't make it true, it just makes it a bigger lie"'.
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jonmaverick1 year, 2 months ago
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S.397 deals with gun manufacturers liability when someone uses one of their products to rob, kill or maim. That is the equivalent of saying that Captain Morgan and General Motors are responsible when some drunken a$$ drives his Corvette onto a crowded sidewalk and kills somebody. Apparently Senator Obama thinks that would be OK, because he voted against the bill.
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GehlLady1 year, 2 months ago
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He can not hide his voting record in Illinois. I took the time to look it up. I read his remarks on the bill for people who had taken out a restraining order to be granted a concealed weapon permit. He voted no on that bill, and in his remarks he clearly stated he felt it was against the safety of the people of Illinois for anyone to have guns. He IS anti-gun ownership. If he were to say he has had a change of heart/policy since his time in Illinois, I wouldn't call him a liar. However, a liar he is.
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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Now the obama campaign has asked for partisan prosecutors to search out 'all misleading and false comments against Obama' and threaten prosecution. They are paying special attention to NRA ads because Obama does not want to face any more charges, especially the advocating of seizing all gun owners weapons. But he probably is aware that none of this will go to courts, he just wants to intimidate news media into refusing the ads. And that will accomplish his purpose too. This is the same approach taken by another famous politician. Adolph HItler.
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Goppy1 year, 2 months ago
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Actually ... the FIRST thing they did was to hone their skills in Propaganda!
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They even had a name for it ... they called it "Schnelles-Boot".
Republicans and Neo-Conservatives call it by it's English name: "Swift-Boat".
And this perverted, twisted piece of propaganda is a fine example of this philosophy.
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Gun Owners of America Ratings for John McCain
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2000 C
2002 C
2004 F
2006 F
"Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.
John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."
John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.
The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.
In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.
For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years."
http://www.gunowners.org/mcgungrab.htm
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Grrr1 year, 2 months ago
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Except that it's a LIE, just like most everything else you ignorant shills post:
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_target...-
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krystaleahs1 year, 2 months ago
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Nope... fail
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Klarissa1 year, 2 months ago
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from factcheck
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Obama, 2003: While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety.
In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law."
True: In 2004, while running for the Democratic nomination for the Senate seat he now holds, Obama indeed called for "national legislation" to prevent anyone but law enforcers from carrying concealed firearms. The Chicago Tribune, which queried the candidates on several issues, reported:
Chicago Tribune (Feb. 20 2004): Obama ... backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.
"National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.
More recently, Obama was quoted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in an article on April 2, 2008, saying "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. ... I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations." -
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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Grr..........
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Impartial? Independent? NO!
FactCheck and Brady Campaign in Bed with Annenberg Foundation
There's another possible explanation behind FactCheck's positions. Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005.-
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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FactCheck is wrong. Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an "affirmative defense" for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.
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As FactCheck notes, the bill was provoked by a case where a Wilmette, Ill. homeowner shot an intruder in self-defense in his home; the homeowner's handgun was banned by a town ordinance. (After the U.S. Supreme Court found Washington, D.C.'s similar ban unconstitutional, Wilmette repealed the ordinance to avoid litigation.) -
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mesodude1 year, 2 months ago
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Rick Santorum:
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"On social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain ever took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it’s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them.”
--like you, Santorum is a flipflopping opportunist who will say or do anything to get a Republican elected but I think it's important to remind cons of their lies.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/20...
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RedRiverJ1 year, 2 months ago
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come on over here and see who is in bed with Factcheck.org.........and see the true story on Obama and the guns.
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Grrr1 year, 2 months ago
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But that is exactly what is going on, and why Obama is demanding the ads be pulled. Because they are lies, and the NRA is undertaking a smear campaign on behalf of the GOP, as usual. This has nothing to do with the second amendment or Obama's positions on gun control. It has to do with misrepresenting his positions with outright lies. Which RedRiver is only too glad to assist, mindless shill that they are.
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